Check out my new 12" TC sounds TC9 subwoofer. *Lots of pics!*

[Sephiroth619]

TC9 by itself

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/sephiroth619/TC9023.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/sephiroth619/TC9020.jpg

What I'm going to power it with

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/sephiroth619/TC9010.jpg

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My Eclipse Aluminum sub. Which I recently sold for the TC9.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/sephiroth619/TC9011.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/sephiroth619/TC9001.jpg


Comparison Pics

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/sephiroth619/TC9007.jpg

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[00poop6x]

Nice, flat piston compression woofer. Efficiently loud.

Now the amp....VERY good choice. That thing will put 4,800 watts continuosly for about 15 minutes. :stickoutt A keeper indeed. One of my favorite amps, especially because of the IntelliQ, a very well designed frequency/slope controlled crossover.


*EDIT* Relooked at the amp pic and I was mistaken, that thing will put over 1k.

The woofer reminds me of my past woofer, the Orion HCCA.... :(

[Sephiroth619]

Man I was debating hard this past week if I wanted the Treo or the TC7. Then the guy from TC sounds introduces me to the TC9 which I just couldnt resist. I guess I'll have to wait till its installed to see if I made the right choice.

I also debated if I should get the Memphis 12 mojo series and the Orion HCCA or P series. *sigh* decisions decisions. Like I said, I 'll have to wait and see.

Supposedly, its on par with the SI Magnum which is what really hooked me. From everything I've heard about the Magnum, I was immediately sold.

[Mister X]

That looks alot like the old ED subs.

[00poop6x]

Man I was debating hard this past week if I wanted the Treo or the TC7. Then the guy from TC sounds introduces me to the TC9 which I just couldnt resist. I guess I'll have to wait till its installed to see if I made the right choice.

I also debated if I should get the Memphis 12 mojo series and the Orion HCCA or P series. *sigh* decisions decisions. Like I said, I 'll have to wait and see.

Supposedly, its on par with the SI Magnum which is what really hooked me. From everything I've heard about the Magnum, I was immediately sold.


All I have to say about the HCCA series is....

1. it's way too power hungry
2. too sensitive to box design, you realy need intelliQ
3. too much low end bass

MOJO

1. again, too much power(needs atleast 1k RMS PER COIL)
2. $$$$$$

[FriedKalamari]

Man I was debating hard this past week if I wanted the Treo or the TC7. Then the guy from TC sounds introduces me to the TC9 which I just couldnt resist. I guess I'll have to wait till its installed to see if I made the right choice.
Supposedly, its on par with the SI Magnum which is what really hooked me. From everything I've heard about the Magnum, I was immediately sold.
ive been seeing these more and more lately but dont know too much about them....im definetly interested though as i own a magnum and havent found anything i would give it up for including the XXX/brahma Idmax and W7.

[FriedKalamari]

BTW what was the price on it, and whats the plan as far as installl goes...

[Sephiroth619]

I got it for $180 picked up.

I'm getting my ported box supposedly tonight. I dont know what its tuned to but I'm going to measure it out and see.

Here's what happened yesterday: I go to the factory and Steve (TC rep) walks me through every single sub he's making including those he makes for other companies like Eclipse, OZ, etc... Then he takes me to this empty fridge that contained hundreds of subs lying on shelves and on the ground. So I had quite a list to choose from. He shows me this OZ MAtrix ELITE which I really liked appearance wise but it wasnt a DVC 2ohm, which is what I need. So I ended up with the TC9.

My plans are the following:

Headunit: Clarion DXZ645MP

Front Speakers: Crystal Components CSC-505 5.25"

Rear Speakers: Boston Acoustics NX97 6x9"

Subwoofer: TC Sounds 12" TC9

Sub Amp: Orion XTRPRO1000

I might need to upgrade my battery.

[Sephiroth619]

Oh yeah, I just spent like $100 worth of sound deadening from ED. Should be here shortly.

[FriedKalamari]

what is this box u are getting? it isnt prefab is it? good choice on components i used to have a set, and what about the amplifier for the components? i would do that before anything else u want to upgrade...

[Sephiroth619]

I wasnt really planning to amp the speakers. I think my deck supplies more than sufficient power to the speakers. But, if worse comes to worse, I have a back up beater amp that gives 50x4 rms at 4ohms just to be on the safe side.

I havent installed the crystals yet. I'm currently running my 5.25" infinity components and infinity 6x9s on the Clarion deck. It's more than loud enough for my ears. As for the box, the minute I get it I'll take pics for ya.

[95 530i PIMP]

if you're running that nice of a setup you should be getting an external amp for those speakers. And i dont mean a cheap legacy 4x50 or anything like that. Get something that puts out at least 75x4 or try to get 100x4
That will get you sound that matches up to all that bass in the back :alright

[gbear14275]

seph where is this place? It sounds like it would be very interesting to be able to look around like you did.

[FriedKalamari]

I wasnt really planning to amp the speakers. I think my deck supplies more than sufficient power to the speakers. But, if worse comes to worse, I have a back up beater amp that gives 50x4 rms at 4ohms just to be on the safe side.

I havent installed the crystals yet. I'm currently running my 5.25" infinity components and infinity 6x9s on the Clarion deck. It's more than loud enough for my ears. As for the box, the minute I get it I'll take pics for ya.
well is it prefab or did u make it or have it made? where are the pics

[Sephiroth619]

Well, I was supposed to get it last night but Fedex had some problems. It's just chilling at a local fedex facility right now and I wont get it till monday. I bought it off some guy on ebay.

Here's pics. I know its dark but its the best I can do.
http://i21.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/87/f3/b6_1_b.JPG

[00poop6x]

Well, I was supposed to get it last night but Fedex had some problems. It's just chilling at a local fedex facility right now and I wont get it till monday. I bought it off some guy on ebay.

Here's pics. I know its dark but its the best I can do.
http://i21.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/87/f3/b6_1_b.JPG

You know plexi will flex right? And you will lose precious energy, esepecially from a excursio hungry woofer. Even ported or not, it will flex.

[Sephiroth619]

Forgive my newbiness but do you think its going to sound like shit?

What does flexing mean? I also heard that too much bass will cause the plexiglass to fly out into my trunk?

[00poop6x]

Forgive my newbiness but do you think its going to sound like shit?

What does flexing mean? I also heard that too much bass will cause the plexiglass to fly out into my trunk?


Naaah, your bass isn't going to sound like shit. But it is going to sound like shit compared to a box with MDF on all sides. Plexi(especially the pre-fab'ed one you have) has about a 1/4" plexiglass panel, which is very prone to flexing when the sub plays. Your plexi will not fly out if it is secured well.

What happens is the plexi will flex with the woofer's excursion, acting as a cancellation or some type of passive radiator/diaphragm which has no acoustical benefits.

*EDIT* Especially with your type of woofer, a flat-cone piston type. That thing has strong excursions.

[FriedKalamari]

sell the box or something, get some box plans made by somebody, u can contact JmacCACom over AIM and he can do u some perfectly easy to use plans for 8 bucks, well worth it. then just go somewhere get the cuts done if u dont have a saw, then simply put it together, its simple and ull get MUCH better sound and looks by putting together ur own custom box.

[D Unit]

isn't that an e12a sub? what is a tc9?

[FriedKalamari]

isn't that an e12a sub? what is a tc9?
didnt u read the thread at all. a tc9 is a subwoofer made by TC sounds. no its not an ED A

[Speed seeker]

Nice choice of subs and amp.
I would reconsider the plexi.

[Sephiroth619]

Okay, so I've decided to return the TC9 for an OZ Matrix and I'm definately getting rid of the box. It was poorly crafted and just looks like a POS. I'm getting rid of the TC9 because if I try selling it in the future, its going to be a lot harder as opposed to selling an OZ.

[FriedKalamari]

Okay, so I've decided to return the TC9 for an OZ Matrix and I'm definately getting rid of the box. It was poorly crafted and just looks like a POS. I'm getting rid of the TC9 because if I try selling it in the future, its going to be a lot harder as opposed to selling an OZ.
honestly that sounds like a dumb reason to take on sub over another.....its only 150 bucks....i wouldve gotten what u truly wanted

[00poop6x]

Okay, so I've decided to return the TC9 for an OZ Matrix and I'm definately getting rid of the box. It was poorly crafted and just looks like a POS. I'm getting rid of the TC9 because if I try selling it in the future, its going to be a lot harder as opposed to selling an OZ.


Matrix over the flat-cone-true-piston motor woofer?! :alright

If woofers were a true investment like what you are trying doing to them, they'd be made out of platinum.

[Sephiroth619]

So you think I'll be making a huge mistake?

[FriedKalamari]

So you think I'll be making a huge mistake?
well i havent heard either sub to comment, so thats your decision u need to make, but buying a subwoofer and worrying about resale vaule isnt something i would be worrying about...but thats me. just my advice.

[Sephiroth619]

Point taken.

[Mister X]

Ben Milne seems to think that the subwoofer is an ED reject. Did you talk to the guy who sold it to you yet?

[FriedKalamari]

Ben Milne seems to think that the subwoofer is an ED reject. Did you talk to the guy who sold it to you yet?
ben is also a goober. who cares what he says, u should know that by now :stickoutt

[Mister X]

It's just that I'd hate to see it blow up on him.


http://www.icixsound.com/vb/showpost.php?p=52015&postcount=15

[Sephiroth619]

Havent spoken to the TC rep yet but I've made an attempt to get my money back as of monday for personal reasons and was refused. A lot of his actions made me say WTF?.

1) He absolutely refuses to give me a refund. Most companies would honor the fact that people change their minds. So they have some sort of 30 day money back guarantee.

2) Upon purchasing the sub, Stephen, the TC rep did not give me any kind of receipt and the supposedly 1 year warranty was verbatim. Nothing was written. I asked him about it and he said, "dont worry, if anything goes wrong, bring it back, I'll remember you".

3) He never made any mention about the driver being one of the defective A series drivers. Even on the box that he hands me the sub in says "12A.22".

I dunno. At this point, I'm just going to try to get my money back because I dont want a lemon subwoofer.

[FriedKalamari]

wow i hope everything turns out ok, that is crazy. werent u suppose to get an SI magnum? id stick around and wait for those to come back out on sale, shouldnt take much longer

[Sephiroth619]

Damm, everything is a mess right now. I made my second attempt with Stephen, the TC rep, and he's still refusing to give me my money back. He tells me at the last minute that all sales are final. WTF? You're supposed to state that before a transaction is finalized. I'm going to post my experience with TC Sounds soon on icixsound.com. Basically, theyre crooks.

I'm working with Ben (w/ED) right now, hopefully we can resolve this legally. I am forever anti TC Sounds, they also make soundsplinter subs.

[Sephiroth619]

Oh and I was on the verge of buying a used Magnum until I got suckered into buying the TC9.

[FriedKalamari]

Oh and I was on the verge of buying a used Magnum until I got suckered into buying the TC9.
damn that sucks....i can tell u SI is an awesome company with awesome reps...u can even talk to them over on http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/

[Sephiroth619]

Yeah man, I seriously wish I had just gotten the damn Magnum. Biggest mistake I ever made.

If worse comes to worse, I'll just pick up a Magnum regardless of the TC9 situation. I'll donate the TC9 to my gf or something :stickoutt

[Mister X]

Yeah man, I seriously wish I had just gotten the damn Magnum. Biggest mistake I ever made.

If worse comes to worse, I'll just pick up a Magnum regardless of the TC9 situation. I'll donate the TC9 to my gf or something :stickoutt
Donate it to me! :)

I am still subless :( Damn pre order....

[Sephiroth619]

You guys wanna see something funny? So I get the tip in taking the rubber boot off to see if it really is an ED product.

I'll let the pictures speak for itself.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/sephiroth619/E12A008.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/sephiroth619/E12A009.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/sephiroth619/E12A011.jpg

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/sephiroth619/E12A010.jpg

Then he emails me a receipt stating that I purchased a "TC9" for $180.

[FriedKalamari]

wow.....im speechless

[00poop6x]

Yeah, me too. Never expected it to be such a small magnet.

[Sephiroth619]

:lol. BTW, did you upgrade your battery? Didn't see it in your sig.

[00poop6x]

:lol. BTW, did you upgrade your battery? Didn't see it in your sig.


Not at all.

So what are you going to do with this situation? Did you show the guy these pictures? What did he say about this? Does he know he scammed you, or did he get scammed himself not knowing it was an ED woofer.....or is it really a TC9 but he put the sticker on there to screw himself over...?

[Sephiroth619]

At this point, I'm not sure what to do. I think the TC guy deliberately knew what he was selling me. Besides, I wouldve kept my mouth shut had he simply given my money back. He insistently tells me that this is not ED's product, etc... I'm just going to email him a picture and see what he'll say.

You're powering two amps on a stock battery?

[00poop6x]

At this point, I'm not sure what to do. I think the TC guy deliberately knew what he was selling me. Besides, I wouldve kept my mouth shut had he simply given my money back. He insistently tells me that this is not ED's product, etc... I'm just going to email him a picture and see what he'll say.

You're powering two amps on a stock battery?


Yes, two amps on a stock battery. Here's the deal, I had two 10" M3 woofers and they were comletely too loud. Those woofers completely destroyed my rear panel, I had to put a folded towel under there now cause it's forever loose. I changed down to M Class woofers and now I am not even using half the power of the bigger amp since these drivers only need 200 watts RMS each.

Either way, this D Class is very efficient in power consumption as opposed to your Orion. In my 15 years of experience with Orion(not counting the sucky Directed days), they love juice...which is a good thing to me and I loved them for that. It means a more solid thump, quick, and accurate...given that you provide it the juice.

*EDIT* As for this guy you bought things from, wait for his response and see what he says about the serial number. Call ED and check if the serial number and design match. If it does, take him to small claims court and get your $180 back, then spread his name to others so his reputation will sink. It may sound like too much trouble, but it's all worth it in the end. People that do business like that should be shut down.

$180 to get back is a lot you know, even if you can make it in one hour...that $180 can go to gas, a VERY nice custom made box, a second amp, a new battery....etc :D

[FriedKalamari]

You're powering two amps on a stock battery?
there is nothing wrong with the stock battery.....
i used to have a JBL 1200.1 and a profile ca400 while using stock battery. now im using a red top with a cadecne q4000 and a viper d1200.1 and everything works great with no dimming, the battery isnt the key to having a strong electrical system, its the alternator.

[00poop6x]

there is nothing wrong with the stock battery.....
i used to have a JBL 1200.1 and a profile ca400 while using stock battery. now im using a red top with a cadecne q4000 and a viper d1200.1 and everything works great with no dimming, the battery isnt the key to having a strong electrical system, its the alternator.

Exactly, that's why I have a high output Bosch. :D

If you watch your voltage drop when you run big amps or a big amp and a smaller one on the stock battery and alternator....there is actually something wrong. That's if your system is capable of 150A draw :stickoutt :shifty Hence my upgrade back in the days.

Either way, BMW's have a well managed electrical system. It's a must on one of the most software/electrical technologically demanding cars produced.

That's why I think ground cable upgrades in Jap cars are so popular, but not popular with German cars like ours.... :buttrock

[FriedKalamari]

i agree....
in my case though i have no upgrades....just the good old stock 80amp alternator with 155k miles on it :D

[00poop6x]

i agree....
in my case though i have no upgrades....just the good old stock 80amp alternator with 155k miles on it :D


155k miles? :eek: good geez! Who said german cars aren't reliable :confused

Is it on the car in your sig??

[FriedKalamari]

155k miles? :eek: good geez! Who said german cars aren't reliable :confused

Is it on the car in your sig??
haha no the can in sig is an 03' 330iZHP only has about 20k miles on it, its me and my dads car, he leased it. and yeah the 318i is still runnin perfect, im startin on my fiberglass kicks this weekend :redspot

[00poop6x]

haha no the can in sig is an 03' 330iZHP only has about 20k miles on it, its me and my dads car, he leased it. and yeah the 318i is still runnin perfect, im startin on my fiberglass kicks this weekend :redspot

are you going to do a pictorial write up? I'm interested. I think pictorials help a lot with the person doing the project also, it keeps them on track of what to take pictures which in turns keeps them on track with what's going on withthe project. Some people atleast....some might get distracted taking pictures. :cool

[Sephiroth619]

Agreed. Sometimes I'm just lazy as hell to read. Pictures on the other hand keeps me interested.

[FriedKalamari]

are you going to do a pictorial write up? I'm interested. I think pictorials help a lot with the person doing the project also, it keeps them on track of what to take pictures which in turns keeps them on track with what's going on withthe project. Some people atleast....some might get distracted taking pictures. :cool
well i wasnt planning on it, but knowin me i always take some pics here and there. this is only my second time doin fiberglass so i wouldnt say id be the best person to do a tutorial, lol, but ill for sure take pics and stuff of the process.