Retro fit M5 instruments into 528i problems

[Kavman0]

Hi,

Wel i had to try it, i bought a used M5 instrument cluster , i got a guy to code my vin number onto it so that the mileage was correct and no tamper dot.

So i plugged it in ok, but then hit problems, the tacho isn't working and the coolant temp guage is in the red and asc light is also on,my low obc has stopped working too http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/sad.gif

What does work is the speedometer and my fuel guage, the tacho lights are only lit up to match the 6500rpm red line my motor,which was good.

I've done a search but all the info is about retrofits into 540's.

Maybe some of you 540 owners can help, did you have to get anything else coded along with the vin, i've read something about an ike?

Any help really appreciated.


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[ajlounia]

It will NOT work. Countless people on this board have tried to retro fit the m5 instrument cluster but it will just not work.

[Gumbi4u]

As said above. Abort the mission now. You will NEVER get it to work properly.

[Kavman0]

Hi,

Thanks but thats dissappointing to hear, i'm thinking now is it possible to change the faceplates over. Because it does look so good in the car.

[Alpine6And7]

has anyone sucessfully retofitted an m5 cluster into a 540i?

[Gumbi4u]

has anyone sucessfully retofitted an m5 cluster into a 540i?


Wow bro, are you sleeping? Read above. NO ONE has been successful. It is not possible to retrofit an m5 e39 clsuter into any other model e39.

[ganesht]

Wow bro, are you sleeping? Read above. NO ONE has been successful. It is not possible to retrofit an m5 e39 clsuter into any other model e39.

I hate to disagree with you gumbi, but there have been a handful of people here and on the m5 board who have done it, granted its not possible to get the oil temp to work, and some have issues with coolant temp, but if coded properly it will work.


Got his reply............. pa soft is software to change the vin number, I do it myself without the aid of programme, both clusters are k line not can bus, so thats not right!

GT 1 is the aftermarket bmw software used for coding keys, fault finding, adaptations etc,..............................but he doesn't have it.

hmm ok from what i understand the extent of the pa soft is to change the vin so a higher programmer will allow you to recode the cluster.. If your ike is already set to use the D bus (sorry my bad) then it sounds like the zcs coding is wrong, you would need a gt1 or autologic to program it, i would start by looking for a bmw indi near you, give them a call and ask them if they can recode your cluster for you. the zcs code stores all parameters for the different modules in the car, right now im guessing its still set to the orignal car, once you get it recoded/re aligned with your car all the lights should go away, as well as your mid obc should start working again. But if the ike is set to use the i bus the tach should be working..

Check out this pdf, it might help..
i posted a pdf on bimmerfest:
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=178846&d=1238015059

[Idaho BMW Man]

:eatpop:

[ganesht]

Or find someone with a baum iscan and follow this:


ZCS/FA coding for IKE/KOMBI & EWS Systems (iScan BMW V2.5)
For example: BMW Recoding V2.50 -> ZCS/FA coding -> (Choose Chassis Type) ->
(Choose Model)
Step 1: Do not change the original ECU and choose IKE/KOMBI or EWS systems.
Step 2: You will read the Chassis #
Step 3: You will read the original GM / SA / VN codes. Write it down.
Step 4: Key off and change the ECU.
Step 5: Choose IKE/KOMBI or EWS systems again and you will read the GM / SA / VN
codes again.
Step 6: Comparing this GM / SA/ VN codes with the original one and if they're all the
same, you can proceed to do the automatic coding.
If these codes are different, please change them manually to let them be as same as
the original one then you can start automatic coding.
Step 7: Coding complete.
Step 8: Ignition off for 10 seconds then ignition on again.
Step 9: Check if there is any problems.

Its really important that the coding be done properly or else things are never going to work correctly, other modules in your car which should be working will malfunction until the ike is coded correctly..

The busses are capable of exchanging information among each other via the IKE control unit (instrument cluster electronics).
It contains the electronic control for the entire signal conditioning function and calculating the data from the instrument cluster and
on-board computer. The IKE is the bus master for the I-bus/K-bus. It serves as a Gateway for the D-bus that converts the
telegram format of the I/K-bus to the format of the D-bus. It transmits and receives data from all modules and control units
connected to the IKE via the bus systems. If, for example, the independent park ventilation function is activated at the MID, this
telegram must be routed via the I-bus, IKE and K-bus to the IHK that then carries out the corresponding function. In this case,
only data are allowed to pass through that according to the address, are designated for the other bus.

[Schitzo]

Wow bro, are you sleeping? Read above. NO ONE has been successful. It is not possible to retrofit an m5 e39 clsuter into any other model e39.

It is very possible, infact several people have done it. you can get all functions to work except the oil temp gauge and oil temp lights.

To the OP, Im guessing your car is an early M52 E39. The early cars use conventional means to send Tach and Coolant temp signal. M5s send this info over CAN-bus. This is why your tach and temp gauge are not working.

The cluster needs to be coded. You also have to install a harness to convert from a low cluster to a high cluster.

[jdjg]

more please :beermugdr

[Kavman0]

It is very possible, infact several people have done it. you can get all functions to work except the oil temp gauge and oil temp lights.

To the OP, Im guessing your car is an early M52 E39. The early cars use conventional means to send Tach and Coolant temp signal. M5s send this info over CAN-bus. This is why your tach and temp gauge are not working.

The cluster needs to be coded. You also have to install a harness to convert from a low cluster to a high cluster.


Hi,

Yes i had the high obc already in the car, my car was manufactured in May 1998 and came with phone and high obc.

Hi so i can recode it to accept the old style signal?

[ganesht]

Hi,

Yes i had the high obc already in the car, my car was manufactured in May 1998 and came with phone and high obc.

Hi so i can recode it to accept the old style signal?


yep thats the part about switching to the other bus.. but you said it was already switched off the can bus.

[Schitzo]

Hi,

Hi so i can recode it to accept the old style signal?

yes. The correct equipment is needed to do this. eg GT1
Since you already had a high cluster, the wires sending the signals are already there. You just need to code the cluster. The coding will replace the ZCS in the M5 cluster with your 528i ZCS

[BrandonWA]

Hmm, I think I would rather have a working oil temp gauge than a pretty cluster.
Considering the amount of failing cooling systems in these cars.

[ganesht]

Hmm, I think I would rather have a working oil temp gauge than a pretty cluster.
Considering the amount of failing cooling systems in these cars.

you cant have a working oil temp gauge no matter what... only the m5 has the oil temp sensor and gauge. i think your thinking of the water temp? and even then its hit or miss.

[Payam972]

just buy an m5

[ViolinARC]

just buy an m5
+100000000000000000...LMAO!

Gotta agree with Gumbi on this one you guys. If the temp and oil pressure gauges aren't working...it isn't a successful install IMHO. The cooling systems on these puppies just happen to be WAY too unreliable to have the temp gauge non-functioning and anyway, for it to be truly successful, all gauges must be functioning.

I just did a 16:9 MKIII upgrade and the mapping won't come up so was it a successful install?? Not IMO...

[ganesht]

to each his own.. just trying to help out some who wants to try something out of the box, would i do it? i might but if it wasnt working i would swap it back...

[Gumbi4u]

+100000000000000000...LMAO!

Gotta agree with Gumbi on this one you guys. If the temp and oil pressure gauges aren't working...it isn't a successful install IMHO. The cooling systems on these puppies just happen to be WAY too unreliable to have the temp gauge non-functioning and anyway, for it to be truly successful, all gauges must be functioning.

I just did a 16:9 MKIII upgrade and the mapping won't come up so was it a successful install?? Not IMO...

Thank you! If those vitals are not working , then its not SUCCESSFUL! The user "Nightcrawler" spent countless hours working on this and he DOES know his sh*t and still failed to get it working 100%.