How to Change Odometer...

[slvrXI]

Hey I was curious about lowering the mileage that appears on the odometer, Is anyone familiar with the procedure??

Im thinking about purchasing an instrument cluster from a vehicle with lower miles so that I dont have to stare at 150k all day long, it just bugs me.

I know the instrument cluster has to be replaced does anyone know what other module(s) need to be replaced that store this information?

I believe its the Lamp Module not sure.

Thanks!

[CT M3]

...um... why?

I'm pretty sure it's illegal... unless it's properly done, like by a shop, for reasons such as failure in the gauge cluster completely, or the odometer itself...

[slvrXI]

...um... why?

I'm pretty sure it's illegal... unless it's properly done, like by a shop, for reasons such as failure in the gauge cluster completely, or the odometer itself...

Gosh its not illegal... Its MY car I can do what i want with it. Of course If i ever sold it, id be legally obligated to inform the consumer. Im certified anyway, so it would be properly done.

BTW your reply didnt help at all to the question, next time dont answer a question with another question unless it will assist in the conclusion of the original question.

Thanks!

[eee4666]

Good luck with that :lol.

[Jaska]

Make sure to write up a DIY when you figure this one out...

:rofl:

[slvrXI]

Good luck with that :lol.

Thanks! I hope you're not being sarcastic. I know its possible... But if you just replace the instrument cluster then a dot appears next to the mileage called a manipulation dot. Meaning that the information stored in the cluster does not match the information in the other module.

Trust me it can be done, so please don't criticize it, I'm just looking for someone with the information i need.

[bimmerlifestyle]

Gosh its not illegal... Its MY car I can do what i want with it. Of course If i ever sold it, id be legally obligated to inform the consumer. Im certified anyway, so it would be properly done.

BTW your reply didnt help at all to the question, next time dont answer a question with another question unless it will assist in the conclusion of the original question.

Thanks!


your an ass dude chill out

[slvrXI]

Once again... Thanks DUDE for that comment.

[bimmerlifestyle]

welcome DUDE :D

sorry bro now im being an ass ...
hope you find wat you looking for.

[slvrXI]

Haha we're all A-Holes...

Whats the difference between a porqupine and a BMW..?

[bimmerlifestyle]

A porcupine has the pricks on the outside

[eee4666]

Yes, my post was sarcastic. Sure it can be done but #1 it's illegal and #2 you're reasoning for changing it is that you don't want to see your cars high milage even though you will always know what it is in your head? Seems a little out there and completely unnecessary hahaha.

[bimmerlifestyle]

Yes, my post was sarcastic. Sure it can be done but #1 it's illegal and #2 you're reasoning for changing it is that you don't want to see your cars high milage even though you will always know what it is in your head? Seems a little out there and completely unnecessary hahaha.

ryan wat up bro .. need to chill.. my bro got a e60 530i we
need to take some pics

[slvrXI]

I like those cosmetics... Im gonna post a new thread in a minute why i want to change the odometer...

[ChuckDizzle]

its gonna be a lot of cash and effort for aesthetic appeal. You don't like the mileage readout? Clusters aren't cheap.

[nathancarter]

The odometer reading is stored in several different places... the cluster, the ECU (or DME? not sure) and perhaps the transmission module if you have an automatic. So, find a wreck that is very similarly equipped as yours, pull out practically all the electronics, put them in your car, then tow it to the dealership/shop to have them coded correctly.

Good luck.

Oh, or do it Ferris Bueller style: jack up the rear end and leave it driving in reverse for a few days.

[slvrXI]

The odometer reading is stored in several different places... the cluster, the ECU (or DME? not sure) and perhaps the transmission module if you have an automatic. So, find a wreck that is very similarly equipped as yours, pull out practically all the electronics, put them in your car, then tow it to the dealership/shop to have them coded correctly.

Good luck.

Oh, or do it Ferris Bueller style: jack up the rear end and leave it driving in reverse for a few days.

Yea ill jack up the rear end and floor it in reverse (with my all wheel drive)
haha, Ill be working at a dealer soon so I be able to code it myself.

Damnit really tho? the DME stores that information?? so what happens when you have a DME failure... you have to replace the cluster and everything else?

[ChuckDizzle]

yea I believe its true that the DME does store the mileage. Like I said earlier, it's going to be so much money and effort just so that your car displays less mileage than it really has.

[telijah]

Gosh its not illegal... Its MY car I can do what i want with it. Of course If i ever sold it, id be legally obligated to inform the consumer. Im certified anyway, so it would be properly done.

BTW your reply didnt help at all to the question, next time dont answer a question with another question unless it will assist in the conclusion of the original question.

Thanks!

I normally agree with telling people to not reply unless it relates or answers the question. Odometer tampering is in fact illegal. If you really were planning on telling a potential buyer it's real mileage, why change it in the first place?

Anyways, to actually contribute and answer the question: If it's really a matter of just not seeing it, just put some black electrical tape over it or something. As mentioned, the DME stores it. And if I recall correctly, some BMWs even have a red light that pops on if and when someone tries tampering with the odometer... don't quote me on that as it could be for a different series BMW, I might be confusing it with threads I read in the 7 series boards...

Edit:I forgot, here is some data from All Data:
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Specific information is stored redundantly in the instrument cluster and in the Light Switch Module. The data stored redundantly includes:


VIN
Total Mileage
Service Interval data
The redundant storage of this information allows for the replacement of a module without the loss of the total mileage accumulated or the loss of the SI data.

The data is compared each time KL 15 is switched on. If the data does not match, the manipulation dot in the mileage display block will be illuminated.

The following points must be noted with regards to the redundant storage of this data.


If the vehicle ID number is not the same in both modules, the manipulation dot is illuminated. All functions of both modules continue to operate.
Data will only be transferred from the LSZ to the cluster if the ID numbers match and the cluster mileage is zero.
The VIN is entered in the cluster through coding and will only be accepted when the cluster mileage is zero.
The stored mileage in the LSZ can only be overwritten by a higher mileage.
If the two mileage values stored vary by more than 120, and the VINs are the same, the cluster will continue to accumulate mileage and a fault will be stored in the cluster for data transfer.
If the K-Bus link fails, the cluster will continue to store mileage and set a fault for the Bus link.
New components should only be installed for replacement purposes and not for use as test components for diagnosis as miles will accumulate if the vehicle is driven for road testing purposes.
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...As for actually programming it all correctly, it mentioned using BMW DIS, and from what I understand, DIS is something I do not think you can get... for cheap anyways :)

[BadBoostedBmwM3]

Yea, your pretty much screwed bc since OBD-2 came out the mileage is stored in the DME... now if you are OBD-1 I hear there are ways around it...

[Phypha]

www.odometerDIY.madrussion.com.mx

lolz

:rofl

[slvrXI]

Fermunky Thankyou so much for the correct answer!!!

It is in the Cluster and the Lamp Module... and if you dont replace them both you see a "manipulation dot" so now all i have to do is find a wrecked car and take the cluster and the Lamp Module and it will work.

Thankyou where did you get that information?? Im locked out of the BMW database right now, and that seems like something taken right out of there.

[telijah]

Well, it also mentions matching the VIN, which it may get from the DME as well. AllData I think purposely leaves some of that info out...

[neil1138]

you will need to find another car and get 3 things: ECU, LCM and a new instrument cluster.

[bmwdave37]

I don't think the mileage is stored in the DME. It is stored in the cluster and LCM, maybe even the general module. Don't forget that the key itself stores the mileage too. Even with all new modules, it's gotta get the mileage from somewhere. There's no part of gt1 or progman that you can just enter a new mileage in to the car. Used control modules will not work, needs to have matching vin's to the car, or you'll get the manipulation dot.

[neil1138]

**LET ME SAVE YOU ALL THE MONEY**

OK, first off take out fuse 32 in your glove box. Then reset your cluster by going into the hidden options. It should screw something up hardcore. When my mileage reset itself (dont question me) I was in my friends driveway showing him the cluster test trick. My fuse 32 was pulled and because I had gotten P46s and hadnt had the dealer flash my LCM for HIDs. I was at 127,000 miles and my cluster freaked wayy the hell out and the odometer set itself to 621,372 miles. then I reset the cluster and it completely reset the mileage. Don't ask me how or why cause I don't know. I'm thinking that when the cluster failed, it tried to get the correct mileage from the LCM but since the fuse for the LCM was pulled, the cluster just reset itself. Now as for the key, it doesnt dictate mileage, it just stores what it's told. So after this happened, my key just read whatever mileage my cluster read out. Which at the time was 0.

USE THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK, i dont know if it will do anything but those are the circumstances that were present when my odometer reset itself. And now im chillin at 6k miles on the clock... :D

for all the people that want proof:

forum.e46fanatics.com (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=591847&highlight=)

['03 325i]

Pics.

[neil1138]

go look for my thread on E46Fanatics titled "621,372 mile..." i'm on my phone so I can't link stuff

here ya go:

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=591847&highlight=

[Rob24857]

I guess he makes sense to get a less miles for the odometer, new parts=new car?


http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1180162:redspot

[pphil09]

Wow...shhhaaaddyyy

[ak47dennis]

Back in December my LCD in my cluster was f--king up and would look like Chinese. I had asked a similar question.... what happens to my mileage if I buy a used cluster off eBay??

A local dealer that primarily sells BMW said that he had just recently installed a used cluster in a 530i and when he plugged it in the current mileage appeared.

It would be interesting to pull a cluster out of two E46's and swap them just to see what happens.

[tdz123]

Sounds fishy.

49 U.S.C. § 32703

A person may not--
(1) advertise for sale, sell, use, install, or have installed, a device that makes an odometer of a motor vehicle register a mileage different from the mileage the vehicle was driven, as registered by the odometer within the designed tolerance of the manufacturer of the odometer;
(2) disconnect, reset, alter, or have disconnected, reset, or altered, an odometer of a motor vehicle intending to change the mileage registered by the odometer;
(3) with intent to defraud, operate a motor vehicle on a street, road, or highway if the person knows that the odometer of the vehicle is disconnected or not operating; or
(4) conspire to violate this section or section 32704 or 32705 of this title [49 USCS § 32704 (https://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=f933d51a7ad4beb452eeaaff0b5bafc9&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5b49%20USCS%20%a7%2032703%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=2&_butInline=1&_butinfo=49%20USC%2032704&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVlz-zSkAA&_md5=1a002d6d7ec176c578b5637668db7c29) or 32705 (https://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=f933d51a7ad4beb452eeaaff0b5bafc9&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5b49%20USCS%20%a7%2032703%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=3&_butInline=1&_butinfo=49%20USC%2032705&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVlz-zSkAA&_md5=f2409218ff135cccf83d01ab822f6d6f)].

btw, there are criminal penalties:

49 U.S.C. § 32709(b) - Criminal penalty. A person that knowingly and willfully violates this chapter [49 USCS §§ 32701 (https://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=fb25d916a593bc654d61ce713b39c5e0&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5b49%20USCS%20%a7%2032709%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=4&_butInline=1&_butinfo=49%20USC%2032701&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVlz-zSkAA&_md5=d07d59df31be61cbcf74c0b5447995c5) et seq.] or a regulation prescribed or order issued under this chapter [49 USCS §§ 32701 (https://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=fb25d916a593bc654d61ce713b39c5e0&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5b49%20USCS%20%a7%2032709%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=5&_butInline=1&_butinfo=49%20USC%2032701&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVlz-zSkAA&_md5=8e25a342a4ca480e9f7a01ade4aa6dc0) et seq.] shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 3 years, or both. If the person is a corporation, the penalties of this subsection also apply to a director, officer, or individual agent of a corporation who knowingly and willfully authorizes, orders, or performs an act in violation of this chapter [49 USCS §§ 32701 (https://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=fb25d916a593bc654d61ce713b39c5e0&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5b49%20USCS%20%a7%2032709%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=6&_butInline=1&_butinfo=49%20USC%2032701&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVlz-zSkAA&_md5=e463932c12485d5dcc3f32f70d9931c9) et seq.] or a regulation prescribed or order issued under this chapter [49 USCS §§ 32701 (https://www.lexis.com/research/buttonTFLink?_m=fb25d916a593bc654d61ce713b39c5e0&_xfercite=%3ccite%20cc%3d%22USA%22%3e%3c%21%5bCDAT A%5b49%20USCS%20%a7%2032709%5d%5d%3e%3c%2fcite%3e&_butType=4&_butStat=0&_butNum=7&_butInline=1&_butinfo=49%20USC%2032701&_fmtstr=FULL&docnum=1&_startdoc=1&wchp=dGLbVlz-zSkAA&_md5=98ff4ad27ab577c0017f464368505962) et seq.] without regard to penalties imposed on the corporation.

And civil penalties too....treble damages to boot. Have a look at 49 U.S.C. § 32710.

Even if your intent isn't to defraud anyone, why waste the money on something like that just so you don't have to look at high miles...are you really going to fool yourself?

Put the money towards some preventative maintenance . . . that increases the enjoyment of my car more than a lower # on the odometer.

[slvrXI]

Well... i bought a used cluster with matchin lamp module... towed to the dealer bought 2 new keys (since i already needed them) and had BMW code the whole car. I now only have 86k!

Thanks for everyones help.

AND FOR THE OFFICIAL RECORD... MY PLANS FOR THIS VEHICLE ARE TO SALVAGE THE TITLE AND ENTER IN A DEMOLITION DERBY.

so dont even think about reportin me to the feds...

[Rob24857]

:dunnoEr...will we see this on Craigslist?

[telijah]

....What?? Your whole plan was to put the car into a crash derby, and you're worried about the mileage? And you paid for 2 keys to be coded. Whats the need for a second key if it will be a derby car? Are you skipping your meds? :)

[meki22]

Hey I was curious about lowering the mileage that appears on the odometer, Is anyone familiar with the procedure??

Im thinking about purchasing an instrument cluster from a vehicle with lower miles so that I dont have to stare at 150k all day long, it just bugs me.

I know the instrument cluster has to be replaced does anyone know what other module(s) need to be replaced that store this information?

I believe its the Lamp Module not sure.

Thanks!

wtf...

all that trouble just not to see your 150K?








:rofl

['03 325i]

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=591847&highlight=
Lol, wow, but no pics of zero mileage ftl.

OP should try this and report.

[500kE30]

The mileage is stored in the combination meter. It is my understanding that it cannot be changed (to a desired mileage). When the dealership orders replacement meters for a car that has more than zero miles, it is first sent to a facility to have the mileage burned into it. (obviously a new meter will start at zero)

I say this from experience working for an auto manufacturer (Not BMW).

Hopefully this helps.

[Rob24857]

Hey get that DSC fixed:eyecrazy

[That Fly 325i]

I like those cosmetics... Im gonna post a new thread in a minute why i want to change the odometer...

Buy a shop and wait for an e46 to smash into a tree. Hope its got low miles and there you go.

[dustyice]

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=591847&highlight=

:lol that is the funniest and weirdest problem ever!!

[nathancarter]

:lol that is the funniest and weirdest problem ever!!

Funniest and weirdest EVER? not by a long shot. Make with th' clickin:
http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/index.php?showtopic=33008

[neil1138]

Lol, wow, but no pics of zero mileage ftl.

OP should try this and report.

Yeah, I never took pictures of the reset mileage. If you really want, i can take pictures of my current mileage which is somewhere in the ballpark of 6500 miles. No error lights, tamper dots, ect. Everything is perfect.

[That Fly 325i]

now that i think about it i would want too reset my mileage if i could just press a button. Cause thatd be fun, but its not worth it if you could face jail time. Although it would be hard to get caught.

[tdz123]

now that i think about it i would want too reset my mileage if i could just press a button. Cause thatd be fun, but its not worth it if you could face jail time. Although it would be hard to get caught.


Jail time is only if you lie to a buyer about the mileage.