I was hoping to see many pictures of E36’s with different ride heights so I know what I’m shooting for. I’m sure others will find it helpful also.
If you have a picture, and either know or can go measure your ride height, please post a picture(s) and also provide Front and Rear ride heights, and state if you have camber plates and who makes them. Also, please list what springs/shocks/coilovers you have, and spring rates if you know them.
Measure from the wheel center up to the fenderwell to check your ride heights.
I’ll start, here is my coupe with the Ground Control coilover conversion kit, 13.75” Front and 12.5” Rear ride heights, no camber plates, 375 lb/in Front and 430 lb/in Rear.
Thanks,
Mike
'99 M3 5-spd w/ RC304's and clear corners, otherwise bone stock w/ 53K miles, '91 300ZX TwinTurbo w/ twin GT2860RS's, '02 Jag XJR, '63 Austin Healey 3000 BJ7
I have searched. A lot. I don't care what the suspension manufacturer "says" about how much lower the car will be. Since cars don't all start out at the same height that doesn't tell me squat. I've also seen people try to give measurements from the wheel arch to the ground, or the rocker or facia to the ground, all of which are meaningless since it varies based on sidewall height, tire pressures, etc.
I'm looking for actual, measured numbers from people. If I missed a thread like that which you recall seeing, prehaps you could direct me to it?
My coupe was run over a curb by a red light runner, shoving the wheel back into the fender, destroying wheel, fender, control arm, strut, strut mount, etc. I'm going to buy a full coilover setup as soon as the shop gets my car on the frame machine and says it is repairable rather than a total. I need to be able to order ASAP so I can get the car back, so I'm trying to get everything lined up. I want the softest spring rates I can go with, still have a height quite a bit lower than stock, and still have enough suspension travel. I want to be able to tell TC Kline I want "X.X" ride heights and the lowest springs rates I can go with and get there. I'll be using camber plates to gain back travel. What I don't want is to end up getting the lower spring rates that I want, but not being able to lower the car where I want it. I "think" I want to sit about 12.5-12.75" Front and 11.5-12" Rear. That's why I'd like to see pics and actual measurements.
Basically, I want zero, or almost zero, gap between the top of the front tire and the fender. Same in the rear, perhaps a tad lower. I do NOT want the rear down where the wheel lip is almost up in the arch. Nor do I want the front tire up in the arch.
I have a set of DS1's to go on since one of the wheels in the pics was damaged. Will probably run 235/40/17's all around, waiting to buy tires until I see if the damage is fatal also.
Thanks,
Mike
'99 M3 5-spd w/ RC304's and clear corners, otherwise bone stock w/ 53K miles, '91 300ZX TwinTurbo w/ twin GT2860RS's, '02 Jag XJR, '63 Austin Healey 3000 BJ7
So where do you want a measurement from that you will consider "useful"? Jackpoints? Rocker seam?
Attached are 2 pics of my 98 M3/4. The first is with Koni inserts and Eibach Prokits. The second is Tein SS-P coilovers.
2009 335xi
2011 328i Xdrive
2014 X5 X35i
The only (that I know of) consistent method of measuring ride height from one car to another without wheels or tire pressures changing things is from the center of the wheel (Rounel centercap) up to the sheetmetal body fenderwell. Basically a tape measure from the fender, straight down to the center of the wheel.
Your front ride height in the 2nd pic looks perfect. I like the rear ride height in the 1st pic.
Thanks,
Mike
'99 M3 5-spd w/ RC304's and clear corners, otherwise bone stock w/ 53K miles, '91 300ZX TwinTurbo w/ twin GT2860RS's, '02 Jag XJR, '63 Austin Healey 3000 BJ7
The usual measurement for ride heights in these cars is from the center of the hub to the lip of the fender.
Stock sagging springs with koni's.
no measurements since I just raised them up for clearance for my 255 R comps for auto-x...
i can take current pics if you like with measurements...
GC track/school with vorshlag camber plates 500/550
"Torque is like cowbell... you can never have too much." - Michael Cervi
Eiback Prokit with Billy Sports..... the drop was WAY less than advertised.
F = 13.25"
R = 12.5"
Last edited by Eric98Sedan; 03-06-2008 at 11:11 PM.
Eric98Sedan, damn man, that doesn't even look like it's lowered. Still a nice Esotril, though
I just measured my height on my 105k miles stock shocks and springs. 13.25R & 13.75F.
I know, the ProKit dropped the rear about .75" and the front about 3/8th inch.
"Yes, thank you for posting pictures of before and after ride height, but , i asked for pictures with measurements you idiotic fool. Now get out of my face before I throw a hissy fit. "
Well, gee, that's the one thing I did ask for in my initial post wasn't it? Why come back feigning insult when you were the one being condescending towards me?
My car started at 15.5" in front. I've seen other cars down to 14.5" or 14.24" in front. This is stock, before anything is changed. So great, on the 14.5" car a 2" drop makes it so you have no gap between your wheel and fender. On MY car with 15.5" height after the 2" drop I still have a 1" gap and it's not the ride height I wanted. Is that so tough to comprehend? That's whay I don't care what the manufacturer "says" the drop is. I care what the "actual, measured" drop is so I will know where my car will end up.
As for me wanting the measurement from the wheel center to the fender, think about what happens if one car has 225/45/17's all around and another has 235/40/17's all around. The tires have different sidewall heights, so even though you are measuring from the fender to the ground, you will get different measurements on each car even though the suspension may be lowered the exact same amount from stock. Those tires aren't that different, but some will be. Some are 1/2" or more different in the sidewall height.
Same thing goes for tire pressures. One guy has his tires at 40 psi and another at 20 psi. The guy with 20 psi is going to show a lower ride height when measured from the fender to the ground, even though his suspension may be exactly the same amount lower as the 40 psi car. Measuring from the wheel center to the fender takes all the other variables out of the equation.
Mike
'99 M3 5-spd w/ RC304's and clear corners, otherwise bone stock w/ 53K miles, '91 300ZX TwinTurbo w/ twin GT2860RS's, '02 Jag XJR, '63 Austin Healey 3000 BJ7
Good lord if you are not going to post a picture and some measurments people just shove off, seriouslly.....
13.25" Front 12.75" Rear.
I can't remember the spring kit I used, and the struts were installed before I bought the car, but they are aftermarket.
Wheels are 18"X8" with 225/40/18 Falken Rubber.
No ground clearance issues at all, it's a perfect drop for the roads I am on.
Great topic, an actual picture and measurment thread has NEVER been done here to my knowledge.
Last edited by DBK81; 03-06-2008 at 06:10 PM.
1998 328i Cabriolet 5-speed Manual
Triple Black
This is the best pic I have at the moment.
I since lowered the front a bit more. But the front is 12.25 and the rear is 11.25. Ill get better pics eventually.
Thanks for the pics so far everyone.
I think I like the front at about 12.5"; maybe even 12.0" and maybe 12.0" in the rear. Sure does "make" the look of the car.
Mike
'99 M3 5-spd w/ RC304's and clear corners, otherwise bone stock w/ 53K miles, '91 300ZX TwinTurbo w/ twin GT2860RS's, '02 Jag XJR, '63 Austin Healey 3000 BJ7
ill post mine tomorrow morning.. really dark outside rite now
fish, I love the pink lipstick. Like a tarted up hussey.
I'm trying to decide if I like the e46 style hood or no. Yet I can't focus with the two tone and pink action going on. >.<
-Chaz
My SSK Faq (primarily e36 M3)
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GC Track/School COs w/ 440/525# and "kicked" struts
Ride Height: 13"F & 11.75"R
Mike... aka Track Junkie
'98.5 M3 Coupe Titan Silver
I belive this is something like 13" front and 12" rear. I have the GC coilovers / Dinan valved Konis. 525f/450r.
For autox and track, I've found this ride height to be perfect. I would definately caution anyone trying to go lower in the front....you will likely have more trouble with understeer and hitting the bumpstops. The rear can go lower, but you'll want to manage your camber and toe changes with any kind of ride height change. If you lower the car without setting a good alignment, the car will likely understeer, have poor suspension travel, and tramline on the street.
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