Lexus ISF shows its power

[Flexall]

Originally Posted by NYY42

There will be no popcorn. The guy is a tool. Back on topic as he suggested.

If I'm a tool, then you're a nut. Stop screwing this thread up.


Flexall
http://www.youtube.com/user/Fastest540i

[giterdone]

Okay.....I jus hurt my head reading the two days of crap I missed due to training.


The same petty bickering went back and forth. Some people would provide times, others would say it was invalid. Others would provide times, some people would say it was invalid.

Everyone accused everyone of making assumptions, while using logic themselves.

EVERYBODY WAS MAGAZINE RACING.

That is all we can do. Since there hasn't been an IS-F vs Modded 335 or an IS-F vs M3 (why did the m3 get brought up? I know trevor started talking about how the 335 didn't stack up to either, but why was the m3 ever used? that one baffles me.).

Going purely by numbers, and what magazines have posted, adn what I have seen users do, and post about. it seems (remember...seems...I am not saying this will and must happen every time) a modded 335 could keep up with an IS-F..possibly beat if the IS-F isn't driven perfectly. A stock 335 doesn't have a chance. Why does it matter if the 335 has peg leg rear end? Who cares if it isn't an ideal set up, it still scoots down the road pretty well.

now by no means am I a huge fan of hte 335. I really don't care about it. I do however love WalkedU's hello kitty orange one , but that is neither here nor there.

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by Flexall

To get an SRT8 to run 13.1 will only be after some mods. Plain and simple.

Sorry man but you are WRONG.

If you want to use MT numbers http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ons/specs.html

If you want real results dig around...
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2...bf125e2ac5.htm

DA/Conditions make a huge difference... for someone used to high DA/Altitude these numbers won't seem legit but they are.

I would be very afraid of lining up with a bone stock SRT8 with my bone stock Z28 and that should say a lot.

[Armo95]

Originally Posted by Flexall

To get an SRT8 to run 13.1 will only be after some mods. Plain and simple.

What are you talking about?

Maybe up in Michigan they running times like that only after mods, but SRT8's here are hitting very high 12's bone stock. There is a guy a neighborhood over that has one, ran a 12.9@110, bone stock to the air filters.

They are easily in the 12's with some mods.

[Montague]

I can't believe anyone in here is responding to that corolla clown. I purposely ignored him and his references to me because trying to reason with him is like describing the color blue to the blind. Does anyone want to give that a try? If not, I will continue to ignore him.

Back to topic. This talk of 113 and 114 trap doesn't do much if the best ET we've seen so far is 12.8. As I stated before Sniz ran 12.8 in his 335 with software alone on stock run flat tires. Those traps just tell us that the IS-F is slower off the line but moves once it gets going.

Also the IS-F is putting down around 330whp 316wtq and the 335 with software and exhaust is putting down up to 400whp. The 335 is a couple of hundred pounds lighter than the IS-F and also has more torque with software. The differences in gear ratios are insignificant. Do you not think the answer to the original question is yes? If so, why? Interested in hearing more because there may be something I'm missing.

We're talking 335 and IS-F here. The SRT-8 stuff can go to another thread. Armo, I know capitol raceway is a horrible track but the best I saw some lightly modded SRT-8s run there was about 13.4, granted it was July.

[Armo95]

Originally Posted by Montague

Armo, I know capitol raceway is a horrible track but the best I saw some lightly modded SRT-8s run there was about 13.4, granted it was July.

The guy I mentioned ran at MIR.

Capitol is one of the worst tracks in MD. There were C6 Z06's running low 12's, a full second slower than your average C6 Z06 is capable of doing.


You're right, no more hijacking ... back on topic

[Flexall]

Originally Posted by S8ER01Z

Sorry man but you are WRONG.

If you want to use MT numbers http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ons/specs.html

If you want real results dig around...
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/2...bf125e2ac5.htm

DA/Conditions make a huge difference... for someone used to high DA/Altitude these numbers won't seem legit but they are.

I would be very afraid of lining up with a bone stock SRT8 with my bone stock Z28 and that should say a lot.

Thank your for providing a video. The problem is that, that isn't a video of your car or a car you know personally. You may be a fan SRT8's. That's great. However, SRT8's don't sound like that stock. So, that car I am certain was not stock. Everyone who defends and posts what they think an SRT8 will do, keep doing it third party. SRT8's just don't run 12's stock. Wait til the track opens here. I am going to upload every video of an SRT8 I take running the quarter. Something that none of you who think they run 12's have done. Then you guys will learn something. Like I said before, what difference does it matter what Road and Track or Car and Driver can do, if it can't be duplicated by anyone else? It doesn't. I will show you guys what most SRT8's run, within a month of track day. Don't shoot the messenger. And if you haven't seen them run in person, please relax because you're just uninformed.

Flexall
http://www.youtube.com/user/Fastest540i

[Flexall]

Originally Posted by Montague

We're talking 335 and IS-F here. The SRT-8 stuff can go to another thread. Armo, I know capitol raceway is a horrible track but the best I saw some lightly modded SRT-8s run there was about 13.4, granted it was July.

Montagues "Personal" review that he saw with his own two eyes is exactly what I saw. That sounds spot on. Thank you. I'm done with the SRT8 thing now.

Flexall
http://www.youtube.com/user/Fastest540i

[Deuuuce]

Originally Posted by Flexall

Sure they quoted that. Now show me an actual video of a stock SRT8 anything running a 13.1 at 109mph. That video my friend doesn't exist on the entire internet. And there is only one reason why. To get an SRT8 to run 13.1 will only be after some mods. Plain and simple. I've raced many and have provided video. The second run I had two passengers. I now exactly how SRT8's run. Unless you have the magical one. Which if you do, either way... where's your video? Cause you should be running 12's correct? "Hijack mode Off". Let's keep this thread on track here. Well all know that a SRT8 has nothing on a IS F or a 335i with a chip..... unless we're talking about "The Worse Gas Comsumption Crown Of America". That's a contest you can beat everyone at. I bet that gas mileage doesn't feel so good right about now...... How do you like them apples, right back at you. So, let's move on.


Flexall
http://www.youtube.com/user/Fastest540i

My god are you full of crap. Yep, you're right. SRT-8s lose all the time to stock LS1 Fbodies, CTS-Vs and LS2 GTOs because THEY ARE TRUE 109mph cars, right? What a joke. What is your problem exactly with domestics?

Bring on any chipped 335i on 91 octane (i.e. the "street" in California). I'll take that race.

Quite frankly, your knowledge of drag racing and other domestics is severely lacking.

Just for grins:

How about 12.56 @ 111mph STOCK. Verified by a GTO club:
http://www.300cforums.com/forums/srt...one-stock.html

Do DRs affect trap speeds on automatic cars?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVOBv...eature=related

109mph bone stock:
http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/...24&postcount=9

Again:
http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/...8&postcount=18

Here are average times when the car doesn't get above 20mph for the first time diagnostic shift 13.3s @ 106mph.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnDiF...eature=related

We can't beat Fbodies, either:
http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/...ad.php?t=61832

Go search some signatures, otherwise don't bother posting that 13.1@109mph "can't happen" crap again. You have NOTHING other than personal observation to back it up. Yep, I ran a 14.3 once. Good thing you weren't there! But then I turned around and ran a 13.3 on the next pass.

Again, you are clueless about drag racing, period.

[Flexall]

Deuuuce, you know what's pathetic..........? Is that you have an SRT8. So why are you quoting what others "SAY" they can do. Forget about those internet racers for a minute. Where are your videos at? You have a couple of mods now. So you should easily, according to yourself and few others, be deep in the 12's. Show us something. A man with an SRT8 telling us what other say they can do is not acceptable. Let's see "YOUR" car. Everyone else here defending the SRT8 don't have one and probably haven't even been in one. You can settle this. Just grab a video camera and go to the track. That's what your car was made for. So show us. Not just us, but your SRT8 buddies. And don't call me clueless until you've been to the track yourself. I go to the track pal.

Flexall
http://www.youtube.com/user/Fastest540i

[Deuuuce]

13.6 @ 108mph with CAI. 2.4 60ft. Let's see you apply your drag racing knowledge and figure that out.

13.3 @ 103.5mph bone stock. 2.0 60ft. Figure that one out too.

13.3s @ 106+mph, 2.1-2.2 60fts. with I/E mods. Complicating the equation even more.

Can you figure it out?

Why don't you drop it or post your own damn numbers? Do you really think it's some big secret based on the videos you posted? It's not hard for those who know drag racing to figure it out, at all.

[Montague]

It's all in the 60ft. That's why I've been trying to tell these guys that just because the IS-F may trap 113 doesn't mean it will have a better ET but you do have enough power to get to that speed. Thanks for making my point for me Deuuuce.

With a higher trap, you may be moving faster at the end but your ET may still be slower.

[Vikingus]

Originally Posted by rseven

I'll say it again. The IS-F isn't on the street for the general public as of yet. The smart thing to do would be to wait before making judgement.

You can try to downplay it all you want by quoting anything negative you can find about the car. But the fact remains that you're still making assumptions as to how it would compare to a modded 335.

Since you quoted me, I'll quote you on that... I gave you what bunch of runs show on dratimes and are backed by many many members on e90 board with scans of their slips... I didn't want to give you the best time because in your post you said there are no 335i's, even slightly modded, that can run 12.8 (or something along that lines), well a slightly modded can...You were even proven wrong by many in this thread yet you still argue your paper facts. I mean you didn't even know that ISF is out, so you didn't drive it yet alone even seen one but you argue like you've driven, raced and have a baby with one. How can you tell than that modded 335 can't HANG (that's the OP's main topic) with 335i, stop assuming...
You're throwing words like assumptions and yet you are the one assuming everything from what you read on the net and paper, hypocritical if you ask me. With the arrogant posts and personal attacks I'm surprised that you're not banned yet. How old are you? You come off like a pissed off teenager in most of your posts whenever BMW wins, I don't post a lot but I read a lot and that's how you posts coming off. Sorry, I don't know why but I'm sorry.

[Flexall]

Originally Posted by Deuuuce

13.6 @ 108mph with CAI. 2.4 60ft. Let's see you apply your drag racing knowledge and figure that out.

13.3 @ 103.5mph bone stock. 2.0 60ft. Figure that one out too.

13.3s @ 106+mph, 2.1-2.2 60fts. with I/E mods. Complicating the equation even more.

Can you figure it out?

Why don't you drop it or post your own damn numbers? Do you really think it's some big secret based on the videos you posted? It's not hard for those who know drag racing to figure it out, at all.

Thank you!!!! I didn't have to figure out anything. But with your help, the rest of these guys can see that it takes a lot to get that SRT8 into the twelves. Thanks for actually providing something. What about my videos? I beat SRT8's quite easily. First run I walked away, second run, I had two passengers. Him, Predator and CAI. And....oh yes, the bimmer is faster now and ready for the spring. Thanks for the helpful information!


Flexall
http://www.youtube.com/user/Fastest540i

[kosehhamashoon]

Originally Posted by Flexall

Thank you!!!! I didn't have to figure out anything. But with your help, the rest of these guys can see that it takes a lot to get that SRT8 into the twelves. Thanks for actually providing something. What about my videos? I beat SRT8's quite easily. First run I walked away, second run, I had two passengers. Him, Predator and CAI. And....oh yes, the bimmer is faster now and ready for the spring. Thanks for the helpful information!


Flexall
http://www.youtube.com/user/Fastest540i

Don't be so dense. You're not factoring in that the member above is also located in CA, where people generally run MUCH slower times than at better elevations. I have a cousin in San Jose are running 11.7's with C6 Z06- and we all know that C6 Z06's are capable of MUCH faster than that, most capable of hitting 11.0-11.2's, bone stock. And he is a superb drag racer; he's been doing it for well over 10 years.

[Deuuuce]

Originally Posted by Flexall

Thank you!!!! I didn't have to figure out anything. But with your help, the rest of these guys can see that it takes a lot to get that SRT8 into the twelves. Thanks for actually providing something. What about my videos? I beat SRT8's quite easily. First run I walked away, second run, I had two passengers. Him, Predator and CAI. And....oh yes, the bimmer is faster now and ready for the spring. Thanks for the helpful information!


Flexall
http://www.youtube.com/user/Fastest540i

You're welcome. Lots of owners have done it stock. If you mean, "takes a lot" as in a 1.9 60ft under decent conditions, it's pretty much a done deal.

How do you think the lower trap speed 335is got into the 12s? Check their 60fts. A LOT of sub-2.0 60fts. Which, especially since they don't have an LSD, almost always means DRs or slicks. If not, then careful track prep.

Put DRs on an SRT-8 - same thing - 12s guaranteed.

[S8ER01Z]

Originally Posted by Flexall

You may be a fan SRT8's.

Just ask Deuuuce...he can attest that I am not. Just a fan of facts and reality... people like you claim cars like mine don't run 12s stock either, even though the proof exist..you just refuse to acknowledge it.

[Flexall]

Well at least we're back on track guys. When it comes to the IS F..... an SRT8 can't touch it. Since we're talking about IS F's. Take care guys... I have a client to see. Don't beat me up to bad while I'm away working. What do you guys have the day off, you have an easy job, or you're letting your employees do all the work. Which one? LOL. Seriously though. This thread has been fun. I love a good debate and sincerely hope that no one takes anything personally at the end of the day. Have a good one guys.

Flexall
http://www.youtube.com/user/Fastest540i

[giterdone]

Originally Posted by Flexall

Well at least we're back on track guys. When it comes to the IS F..... an SRT8 can't touch it. Since we're talking about IS F's. Take care guys... I have a client to see. Don't beat me up to bad while I'm away working. What do you guys have the day off, you have an easy job, or you're letting your employees do all the work. Which one? LOL. Seriously though. This thread has been fun. I love a good debate and sincerely hope that no one takes anything personally at the end of the day. Have a good one guys.

Flexall
http://www.youtube.com/user/Fastest540i

the srt 8 vs IS F wasn't really ever part of the thread though. That got brought up somewhere mid flight.

the original thread was a question asking if a modded 335 could beat an IS-F. Then the m3 got brought into the equation some how, and then the srt 8.

[rseven]

Originally Posted by Vikingus

Since you quoted me, I'll quote you on that... I gave you what bunch of runs show on dratimes and are backed by many many members on e90 board with scans of their slips... I didn't want to give you the best time because in your post you said there are no 335i's, even slightly modded, that can run 12.8 (or something along that lines), well a slightly modded can...You were even proven wrong by many in this thread yet you still argue your paper facts. I mean you didn't even know that ISF is out, so you didn't drive it yet alone even seen one but you argue like you've driven, raced and have a baby with one. How can you tell than that modded 335 can't HANG (that's the OP's main topic) with 335i, stop assuming...
You're throwing words like assumptions and yet you are the one assuming everything from what you read on the net and paper, hypocritical if you ask me. With the arrogant posts and personal attacks I'm surprised that you're not banned yet. How old are you? You come off like a pissed off teenager in most of your posts whenever BMW wins, I don't post a lot but I read a lot and that's how you posts coming off. Sorry, I don't know why but I'm sorry.

Are you on crack??? When did I quote you??? It appears that reading comprehension isn't a strong point of yours. Please direct me to where I quoted you in this thread.
How am I assuming anything when I simply stated that we should save judgement until the 2 cars being debated are compared side by side in the real world. That was my point the ENTIRE THREAD. And personal attacks, are you freakin serious????? Wow, I have no clue what you've been reading.

[rseven]

Originally Posted by Vikingus

I didn't want to give you the best time because in your post you said there are no 335i's, even slightly modded, that can run 12.8 (or something along that lines), well a slightly modded can...You were even proven wrong by many in this thread yet you still argue your paper facts.

Again, show me where I said anything about a modded 335 not being able to run a 12.8??? I think you need to re-read my posts.

[Vikingus]

Originally Posted by rseven

Again, show me where I said anything about a modded 335 not being able to run a 12.8??? I think you need to re-read my posts.

whoops, my bad. I meant to quote the guy who drives a corolla.

[Armo95]

This thread is done.

Chaz, you around?

[giterdone]

Yep. I agree with you. We covered the main point, and have gone in about 3-4 other tangents, have come to agreements, then broke off those agreements. Now people are accidently quoting the wrong person, which is causing more pointless feuds.