Bimmerforums OFFICIAL 60-130 mph list! (also 0-60 & 40-90)

[highboostingm3]

ALL INFORMATION CREDITED TO SCOTT (Divexxtreme) ON M3FORUM AND 6SPEED WHO CAME UP WITH ALL THIS AND DID ALL THE HARD WORK!

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GPS based performance accelerometer times (Drift Box or Performance Box)

PLEASE NOTE: Only GPS based, data-logger times from either Drift Box or Performance Box units will be accepted for this list. No extrapolated times from 1/4 mile time-slips.

Also, all submitted data must be reviewed for accuracy and approved by Scott (a neutral party) before the time is posted. Simply attach the data file from the Drift Box/Performance Box SD card and email it to Scott at divexxtreme@hotmail.com . When he has time, he will review the data and let you know the results.

If the data is good, the time will be added to the list. If there are errors or if I find other problems with the data, it will not be posted as an official time.

Also, I won’t be posting HP numbers in this list. From personal experience, it creates more problems than it’s worth. If you want to find out the estimated and/or dyno’d HP of a car in the list, you will have to do a search.

PLEASE NOTE: Only GPS based, data-logger times from either Drift Box, Performance Box or V-Box units will be accepted for this list. No extrapolated times from 1/4 mile time-slips.

Also, all submitted data must be reviewed for accuracy and approved by him before the time is posted. Simply attach the data off of the Drift Box/Performance Box SD card and email it to him at divexxtreme@hotmail.com . When he has time, he will review the data and let you know the results.

Please note; all submissions that show greater than a 3% downhill slope over the course of the run will not be accepted. If there are errors or if I find other problems with the data, it will not be posted as an official time.

Also, I won’t be posting HP numbers in this list. From personal experience, it creates more problems than it’s worth. If you want to find out the estimated and/or dyno’d HP of a car in the list, you will have to do a search.

The below list can include any BMW vehicle that belongs to any member of this forum.


Instructions:
1) Make sure the surface does not show a greater than a 3% downhill slope over the course of the run.
2) Make sure that you get a running start so start at say 50mph or maybe even lower.
3) Make sure you only pay attention to the Pbox mph when doing these runs and not your speedo which could be incorrect.
4) Make sure that the Pbox is on Performance Mode and it will automatically log your runs as long as it is on and the memory card is in the slot.
5) Take out the memory card at the end of each run and remember to put it back in before the start of the next run. This will seperate each run as a separate file and not make it one super long painful graph.
6) Email the file off the memory card to Divexxtreme

The below list can include any BMW vehicle that belongs to any member of this forum.


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60 -130 mph (96.5-209.2 kph):
Time – Username / Car / NA-Turbo-SC-engine mods-psi-LSD / # of shifts

1) 5.830 - RaceMX-M3 / E46 M3 / HPF Stage 2.5 race + meth / 1-shift
2) 6.070 - M&M / E30 325iS / Alpina 2.7 M20 motor fully worked-T61 turbo-24psi-102RON-3.46 / 2-shifts
3) 6.790 - DADx2 / E36 M3 / TRM tuned GT35R on 93@22psi full interior-spare .25 tank / 3.15lsd / 1 shift
4) 6.860 - STO6M3 / E46 M3 / HPF Stage II race fuel+meth / 1-shift thread link
5) 7.080 - BMW sob / e30 328 / gt42r Turbo / 2-shifts
6) 7.400 - a32guy / E36 M3 / Turbo 17 - 18 psi, full interior, full spare DS1, jack and all tools, 3/4 tank of 93 octane, 245/40/17s / 2-shifts
7) 7.510 - Rukman / e36 MCoupe / Technique Tuning Stage III 2.93LSD / 1-shift
8) 8.2sec- DTRguy/E30 325is/ Turbo M52 2.8nv gt35 ITBs 2.93 LSD/ 1 shift 3rd-4th *not yet verified
9) 9.400 - RaceMXM3 / E46 M3 / VFE Stage II S/C kit / 1-shift
10) 10.38 - alpinem3/// / E36 M3 / t3 t61dbb .69 a/r 17psi 91 octane TRM chip w/ custom Cameron/Tom Spec Turbo System built s50 8.8:1CR / 2-shifts *not yet verified
11) 10.58 - fivaxis / e36 M3 / 17-19psi 91 octane plus meth / 2-shifts
12) 11.05 - slcook54 / E36 M3 / t3 pt6782-built s50 3.0L motor-10.5psi-3.15 / 2-shifts
13) 11.22 - M&M / E90 335i / chipped / 2-shifts
14) 11.78 - WK446 / 97 E36 M3 Sedan / Eurosport Twinscrew Supercharger 76mm pulley 10PSI snow tires 3.23 / 2 shifts
15) 12.80 - fivaxis / E36 M3 / stock s50-TO4E-13psi-3.15 / 2-shifts *not yet verified
16) 14.30 - highboostingm3 / E39 M5 / stock / 1-shift
17) 20.30 - BabyM / Mroadster / Dinan V2 with a 6" crank pulley / 2-shifts *not yet verified
18) 21.13 - Ultimate M / 1995 M3 / NA mods-3.15 / 2-shifts *not yet verified

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For the sake of comparison, here are some 60-130 times for other fast street and production vehicles:

NOTE: Only the below runs with an asterisk (*) next to them have been verified. The accuracy of the other runs can not be guaranteed.

4.15*900+ rwhp Supra, 88mm turbo, 30 psi, TH400 Auto, ET Drags
4.90*Divexxtreme / RWD 996TT / 20 psi / 2 shifts
4.9 - 940 rwhp Supra (35 psi)
5.1 - 840 rwhp Supra (30 psi)
5.4 - 1,000 rwhp TT Viper
5.6 - Bugatti Veyron (estimate based off of verified 100 - 200kph time of 4.8)
5.9 - GSXR 1000 with bolt-ons
5.98*C5 Vette with big motor and NOS
7.56*C5 Z06TT (APS Turbo, no cats, stock muffler, 573 rwhp @ 9.5 psi) / 1 shift
6.1 - Saleen S7 Twin Turbo
6.69*Dr. Jitsu / 996 GT2 / 700 crank HP / 1-shift
6.9 - Mosler MT900S
7.0 - Ferrari Enzo
7.3 - Porsche Carrera GT
7.73*997TT with ECU flash / 2 shifts
8.6 - Corvette C6 Z06
8.86*Stock 997TT / 32 degrees, Tiptronic (0 shifts)
8.9 - Mercedes SLR McLaren
9.10*993 Ruf R Turbo 490 HP / 2 shifts
9.4 - Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0
9.5 - Ferrari F430
9.6 - Ferrari F50
10.06*996TT with ECU flash / 1 shift
10.9 - Lamborghini Murcielago
11.7 - Ferrari Challenge Stradale
12.1 - Lamborghini Gallardo

[1q2w3e4r]

It'd be pretty cool if you credited Scott with this, he put a lot of work into getting it up and going on and something members contribute to on 6speed.

That said, interested to see what some of the FI BMW's do

[stimpee]

Hmmm, 40-99 so we don't go over 100? Ain't leaving much margin there are you?

[highboostingm3]

Originally Posted by 1q2w3e4r

It'd be pretty cool if you credited Scott with this, he put a lot of work into getting it up and going on and something members contribute to on 6speed.

That said, interested to see what some of the FI BMW's do

You are absolutely correct! See edit above! Thanks!

Originally Posted by stimpee

Hmmm, 40-99 so we don't go over 100? Ain't leaving much margin there are you?

You want 90?

[fivaxis]

I think 40-100 is fine, I'll try to get a time today.

[Matt]

My traqmate data better be OK also... it's GPS based and I can spit out just as pretty a chart as the P-box.

And, can we put in comments about the terrain.. like the back straight at RA where it's uphill for half a mile, then there's a turn you take flat out?

[highboostingm3]

Originally Posted by Matt

My traqmate data better be OK also... it's GPS based and I can spit out just as pretty a chart as the P-box.

And, can we put in comments about the terrain.. like the back straight at RA where it's uphill for half a mile, then there's a turn you take flat out?

I'd have to get a copy of that software and check it out. The P-car guys on 6speed only use the Vbox data so...

Height will be taken into account because the file will have that information. I would expect all to produce only straight line data.

[n24tg]

AFAIK our Traqmate does not to elevations. You will have to take our word for it. However, the unit is extremely accurate and the software can do some pretty neat things. Ill email you a screenshot and get some fresh 40-90 and maybe some 0-60 data for you. Atlanta is not the place to be doing 60-130 runs.

Also, getting the time may be a little more tedious than on the vbox, though not that bad.

[highboostingm3]

Originally Posted by n24tg

AFAIK our Traqmate does not to elevations. You will have to take our word for it. However, the unit is extremely accurate and the software can do some pretty neat things. Ill email you a screenshot and get some fresh 40-90 and maybe some 0-60 data for you. Atlanta is not the place to be doing 60-130 runs.

Also, getting the time may be a little more tedious than on the vbox, though not that bad.

I won't be able to use that data if it doesn't show elevation. I figured the P-car ballers were only using the Vbox for good reason.

[TaZaM3]

Nice job Cam.

But 40-90 is way too short, especially for our rwd cars that dont like traction. How about at least a 40-100 or even maybe a 40-120/60-120?

[TaZaM3]

Originally Posted by highboostingm3

I won't be able to use that data if it doesn't show elevation. I figured the P-car ballers were only using the Vbox for good reason.

Agreed. We need to see elevation as well, anyone can go on a really steep hwy and cut off a second if they wanted to. Also the Vbox can tell you how many satellites are in view when logging which also tells us how accurate it is (needs 4 or more to be accurate).

[MrBlonde]

Good idea and sensible to credit Scott. However I suggest you keep it simple and just do 60-130 MPH times, dropping the 0-60 and 40-90.

[fritzintn]

Originally Posted by MrBlonde

Good idea and sensible to credit Scott. However I suggest you keep it simple and just do 60-130 MPH times, dropping the 0-60 and 40-90.

Ditto.

And Kenny when is stage 7428 expected to be completed? I'll cover shipping and send mine down once I've logged a run. I'm curious to see maybe a street tire vs slicks run.

[MrBlonde]

Originally Posted by fritzintn

Ditto.

And Kenny when is stage 7428 expected to be completed? I'll cover shipping and send mine down once I've logged a run. I'm curious to see maybe a street tire vs slicks run.

Dude, after 1232 days I've learnt long ago never to name a date! I am keen to collect data using one of these toys once the M Coupe is on the track again! Be great if you could lend me your unit sometime.

[highboostingm3]

Originally Posted by TaZaM3

Nice job Cam.

But 40-90 is way too short, especially for our rwd cars that dont like traction. How about at least a 40-100 or even maybe a 40-120/60-120?

If they are willing to go 100 then 130 isn't much more of a stretch when you are talking legalities. So might as well just do 60-130.

Originally Posted by MrBlonde

Good idea and sensible to credit Scott. However I suggest you keep it simple and just do 60-130 MPH times, dropping the 0-60 and 40-90.

Yeah I absolutely agree 60-130 should be the only measurement but I didn't want any whining babies complaining about that being too illegal for them. I guess I could say if they feel that way then go to the track by all means and if they don't want to do that then just don't participate at all. On the other Vbox threads there was a little negativity about running that high of a speed. Hopefully most will just do the 60-130.

[.Tom.]

+1 on 60-130

[milKt]

I recently saw someone post a vid here
showing them accelerating from 60 to 130
(or whatnot)
but the video started RIGHT as they reached 60mph
(as if they had been accelerating from some time before they started the watch.)

What is the rule
(please state it clearly)
on how to start the stopwatch (so to speak)?
Do we start from a steady cruise at 60mph
or do we get a running start at the 60mph start time??

[blackbenzz]

... brake boost...

[TaZaM3]

You can start before 60, which will give alittle bit better time.

60-130 should be a good standard but nothing wrong with a comparison of other numbers, such as 40-100 etc.. I know the industry standard is the 100-200kph which is a 62-124mph run.

[fivaxis]

I got 7.9 seconds 40 to 100 going downhill and 8.2 going uphill.

www.fivaxis.com/pbox1.dbn

BTW anyone can download the software here http://www.performancebox.co.uk/dlsoftware.html although it does seem to run a bit buggy on my computer.

[TaZaM3]

Originally Posted by fivaxis

I got 7.9 seconds 40 to 100 going downhill and 8.2 going uphill.

www.fivaxis.com/pbox1.dbn

BTW anyone can download the software here http://www.performancebox.co.uk/dlsoftware.html although it does seem to run a bit buggy on my computer.

Nice job! I just looked up your graph, man was it long. Next time you can just take the card out after a run and put it in before a run. Also i noticed there was some Sat drop outs but your runs are still accurate from what i can see (graphing the sat signals as well).

Here is your 20 feet downhill one.





I looked up my 40-100 and it was 4.34 on flat surface in low boost and traction problems.

Here is mine:

[n24tg]

Originally Posted by highboostingm3

I won't be able to use that data if it doesn't show elevation. I figured the P-car ballers were only using the Vbox for good reason.

Keep in mind the Performance/Drift box is not the same thing as a VBOX, though there is a VBOX mini. The VBOX measures data at 100hz, uses an external antenna, and probably costs an arm and a leg.

The difference accuracy between something like the PBOX and something cheap like the G-Tech Pro isnt that big. According to an article Racelogic included in their marketing, the difference from a rolling start is negligible, while a launch skews the times by up to .35 seconds. Since we are not launching, this shouldnt be a problem. It should also not be a problem using anything more advanced than a G-Tech, such as the TraqMate, which can measure at 10, 20, and 40hz, as opposed to the PBOX's 10hz, and uses an external antenna.

The only downside, as youve mentioned, is the lack of elevation data. While it would be nice to have something tangible to confirm a flat surface, I dont think its that big of a deal. There is nothing on the line besides pride. If there is questionable integrity you could always make a note about it not being recorded from a PBOX, thus the grade could not be checked against someones word. You could even note which unit was used next to the number of shifts/diff/etc.

My 2 cents. I see no reason not to include as many people as possible.

[highboostingm3]

Originally Posted by n24tg

Keep in mind the Performance/Drift box is not the same thing as a VBOX, though there is a VBOX mini. The VBOX measures data at 100hz, uses an external antenna, and probably costs an arm and a leg.

The difference accuracy between something like the PBOX and something cheap like the G-Tech Pro isnt that big. According to an article Racelogic included in their marketing, the difference from a rolling start is negligible, while a launch skews the times by up to .35 seconds. Since we are not launching, this shouldnt be a problem. It should also not be a problem using anything more advanced than a G-Tech, such as the TraqMate, which can measure at 10, 20, and 40hz, as opposed to the PBOX's 10hz, and uses an external antenna.

The only downside, as youve mentioned, is the lack of elevation data. While it would be nice to have something tangible to confirm a flat surface, I dont think its that big of a deal. There is nothing on the line besides pride. If there is questionable integrity you could always make a note about it not being recorded from a PBOX, thus the grade could not be checked against someones word. You could even note which unit was used next to the number of shifts/diff/etc.

My 2 cents. I see no reason not to include as many people as possible.

The Vbox is what many people call it because they are all made by the company called the Vbox. If you want me to call it a Pbox I have and I will, that is fine.

What I bolded I believe is very inaccurate because the Pbox does not need any calibration so the numbers can't be tampered with where the Gtech is completely dependent on the user's calibration skill and honesty. The great thing about the Pbox is it is what it is. There is no guessing about anything, no wondering if the person went down a hill, etc.

What I love about the Pbox is that you can't skew anything. The argumentation issues with Dynos deal with the fact that they can be manipulated. If there is any loose end then it is vulnerable to argumentation and I can't have that. Therefore the Pbox and the Driftbox made by Vbox are the only devices that will be allowed for data submittal.

[highboostingm3]

I have deleted the 0-60 and 40-90 for now. I would rather just have the 60-130 since that is the standard used. It will take a certain large number of complainers to reinstate the 0-60 and 40-90.

[///36M]

Originally Posted by highboostingm3

Yeah I absolutely agree 60-130 should be the only measurement but I didn't want any whining babies complaining about that being too illegal for them.

Tough shit, no need for them to participate.