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| 1991 - 1999 (E36) (1991 - 1999) The first modern 3 Series, the E36, was the model that paved the way for the 3 Series to be named "Car of the Year" every year since the model was driving off showroom floors. Radically redesigned in 1992, the E36 was not the same 3 Series as the E21 and E30. Larger, less boxy in design, and equipped with a dual overhead cam engine, multilink rear suspension, and a more finished interior, the E36 balances sport with luxury. |
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09-10-2006, 05:28 AM
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Upgrade e-brake for e46 330 brake rears...
Hi, I've fitted front + rears brakes on my 318is. All is perfect, but the handbrake don't works. I've tried to adjust it to the max but it just don't works. The shoes are too small.
OPTION 1: E36 M3 E-BRAKE: I think that m3 e-brake assembly should work, and it has the same cable. The parts different between M3-318is e-brakes are: -springs -shoes' diverter (EXPANDING LOCK) -shoes Can be fitted? OPTION 2: e46 E-BRAKE E46 316->330 e-brake assembly (it's the same) should fit too because the e46 316i has the same trailing arms and dust shield... but the cable is different... I think that this will work too, but the difference are: -bowden cable -shoes' diverter (EXPANDING LOCK) -ADJUSTING SCREW -springs all in this pic is different from the e36:  (if the pic don't work click here http://www.realoem.com/bmw/diagrams/z/z/59.png) Who has upgraded the parking brake to a bigger setup? thank you 
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09-10-2006, 05:45 AM
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No idea but would be good to know.
-Serge
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09-10-2006, 05:52 AM
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I need to know it   :openmouth my car hasn't the handbrake working for now
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09-11-2006, 07:37 AM
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09-11-2006, 04:51 PM
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There is a upgrade.
The diameter of e36 non ///M shoes is 16cm. Today I've found that the M3 shoes have a diameter of 18cm... so they will be perfect for all BBK setup on a e36 non M. The list of parts needed for the upgrade will be:  The parts not listed in my diagram are the same between E36 non M and ///M3. So I habe a doubt: the #10 and #11 on the pic retain the shoe to the shield. But the shield and the shoes are differents between e36 and m3, so I don't know if the #11 from a m3 will stay right in position with my 318is dust shield...  but it's possible that no one with brembo bbk or similars had upgraded the e-brake to the M3 or other?
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09-11-2006, 06:49 PM
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Please dont kill me...
 Free bump. -Serge
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09-11-2006, 07:11 PM
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i never thought about the e-brake when you up grade the brakes. there has to be a few people on here that have e46 or bbk brakes. hopefully they can tell you how to fix that. i was just about to put on the e46 brakes in a month or so, but i'll wait now. gl on finding the answer, and keep us updated.
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09-18-2006, 03:44 PM
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 there are news  I've contacted Zionsville Autosport. They tell me that for fit the E46 330 rear brakes are needed special custom shoes... they sell them for 250$  I will try to find a ebrake set from a M3 for fit them in my car...
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10-05-2006, 10:47 PM
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Well I have M3 shoes in my car now. They don't really seem to be working. They rub when the e-brake is dissengaged, yet dont hold the car when it is engaged.
Maybe you should try E46 330 shoes?
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10-06-2006, 02:46 AM
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What brakes do you have on the rear?
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10-06-2006, 12:50 PM
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10-06-2006, 12:56 PM
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What dust shield do you have with the M3 shoes? What springs? (318is or M3) Or, have you only the shoes (of e-brake assembly) from M3 and the other is all from 318is?
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10-07-2006, 01:30 AM
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Yes I was using the 318is dust shield. I ordered a new set of springs but they're identical to the stock 318is ones. I had to drill new holes in the dust shield to get the M3 shoes to fit. They don't work period. They fit just fine, however they don't stop the car, and are always wearing on the inside of the hat.
I emailed steve hamilton, he had 330i rear brakes, he told me the only way to get the parking brake to work is to simply order 330i parking brake shoes. I just ordered a set and will be putting them in next weekend. So I'll update you then
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10-07-2006, 07:44 AM
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Do you have the #7 from M3 or it's the stock (in the pic it's called "adjusting screw")? The adjusting screw of M3 is longer than 318is and it can enlarge more the shoes. I was thinking of do what you've done: buy a set of m3 shoes, m3 springs, M3 adjusting screw, and then drill new holes in the dust shield, but if it isn't working for you I'll try other please send me a PM or write here when you'll try 330 shoes... thank you
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10-07-2006, 12:42 PM
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The M3 shoes are simply too big. I used the 318is adjusting screw, and even at the smallest setting I still had rubbing.
I really just think their curved profile is completely wrong for the 330i brakes. They rub on the outer edges, but the main shoe doesn't really make contact. I'll let you know how the 330i shoes go.
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10-07-2006, 02:06 PM
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My used rotors have a internal diameter of 18,5 cm... the M3's shoes are 18 cm, the 318is/330 shoes are 16 cm... (without changing the shoes with 330 because they have same diam... )Otherwise we can try to upgrade all the ebrake system from the bowden cables to ebrake, shoes, springs, adj screw... and all I want my e-brake working... the brake are awesome, I don't wont to remove them for fit E46 328i brakes
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10-07-2006, 02:32 PM
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That measurement for the shoes, where exactly is that being measured? From top of shoe to bottom of shoe? Or is it not including the actual shoe pad?
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10-07-2006, 02:35 PM
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I've read the measure on BMW TIS program... I don't know how and where they misured it...
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10-11-2006, 08:56 PM
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Well I have the 330i brake shoes in hand. They are almost identical in size to the M3 shoes. The M3 shoes are only slightly larger and have more pad covering the shoe (not thicker though).
I could not for the life of me get the 330 shoes to actually stay on or work with my e-brake mechanism. I did however get the M3 shoes to work by putting them on backwards. So far I've only gotten 1 wheel done. It's definitely holding the wheel still in the air and when tightning lug nuts, however on the ground it doesn't keep the car from rolling. Maybe when I do both sides it will? I emailed steve again to see what he did exactly. This is really turning into a nightmare , I had ordered 325 brakes from zionzville but instead was sent 330 brakes. I had ordered them months ago and only recently put them on. Maybe they'll let me swap for 325 brakes if I can't get the parking brake to work...
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10-13-2006, 11:16 AM
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How are the 330 shoes compared to 318is ebrake shoes? pics? thank you  If their have same size we should have a working handbrake only with Quote:
we should keep alive this topic 
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10-13-2006, 01:13 PM
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To get the M3 shoes to fit backwards I didn't do anything different then compared to when I had them on the correct way.
The real issue I'm having with getting these larger brake shoes to work, is this large tab that comes out from the rear control arm. It keeps the e-brake mechanism in place, however for these larger brake shoes to really work, the e-brake mechanism needs to be able to move farther back (well towards the front of the car). I'll be doing the other side with the backwards M3 shoes today, so I"ll let you know how it goes.
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10-13-2006, 09:34 PM
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Well I'm done dealing with these brakes. I'm sending them back and getting the 325 brakes I had originally ordered in the first place.
Mounting the M3 brakes backwards did sorta work. There is definitely resistance when the e-brake is enganged, but not enough to stop the car on any real hill. And if the adjusting screw is spaced any further, the shoes rub even when the e-brake is not engaged. Sorry I didn't take any pics nuvola. I can tell you this, the e36 shoes litterally fit inside of the M3 and 330i shoes. That's how much of a difference in size there is. The M3 and 330i shoes are the same size. Before I decided to just exchange the brakes back, I emailed Zionzville and they said basically their custom brake shoes are 330i shoes, welded onto the e36 shoe brackets. Their cd has instructions on how to do this, so if you can find a machine shop you'll be in business.
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10-14-2006, 03:05 AM
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do you have their cd?
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10-14-2006, 03:56 AM
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Well the curved part of the shoe is removed from the bracket. Not the pad itself but what the pad is attached to. Then welded onto the e36 brake shoe braket.
So basically they make a hybrid e36, 330i brake shoe. Mounting components are from an e36, the shoe is from a 330i. If you look at the brake shoe, you'll see that the bracket is attached to the curved pad through tabs that are welded together. I don't have their cd. Personally I'd just try to find some 32x brakes. You could easily get them by selling your 330i calipers alone.
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10-14-2006, 04:19 AM
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I want to stay with my rear 330 rear brakes... the brake bias is incredible. The combo 330front+330rear make the car flat when braking hard and I like it  I'll try to have a pic of that zionsville modified shoes... I think that I'll buy them , I'm not sure if I weld them. 
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