From Mike Mills:
BMW CCA Club Racing and the Club Racing Advisory Committee are developing a set of rules for the 2006 season, unfortunately they are not ready for publication yet. However, there is one change for 2006 we want to tell you about now so you can make appropriate plans, if necessary.
Effective April 1, 2006, all racers must use a Head and Neck Restraint meeting SFI 38.1 standards. As of December 1, 2005, the following devices have been approved under the SFI 38.1 standard:
HANS - (888) 426-7999 - www.hansdevice.com
R3 Device - (800) 731-4404 - www.lfttech.com
Hutchens II - (800) 731-4404 - www.hutchensdevice.com
BMW CCA Club Racing will be the first amateur road racing organization to mandate the use of these devices; we will not be the last. These devices are currently required for most, if not all, professional racing series in the country.
Remember our first concern is your safety.
Mike Mills
Acting Chairman
BMW CCA Club Racing
Reminder:
BMWCCA Club Racing Web site address: www.BMWCCAClubRacing.com
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I think thats great. I was just copying and pasteing it, but you beat me to it.Originally Posted by txse46m3
Ah, beat me to it.....just gonna post it.
Personally, great move on behalf of the CR staff
_Matt
good move, but will they fallow nasa's lead and allow other ones too like the issac (which supposedly would have passed except for 2 points of relase and the sfi mandates 1)?
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Why can't/won't ISAAC comply?Originally Posted by vodomagoo
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they will comply but havent as of yet. nasa just madated the same thing but allow a few more including some that arent as pricey. i personaly use a hans and love it but im surprised there are so few allowed compared to nasa
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It's simple: The folks at CR intelligently have chosen not to try to determine which devices are adequate themselves. There're liability concerns there if someone is injured while using a non-compliant device.Originally Posted by vodomagoo
2011 M3 Sedan
2006 GMC Sierra 2500HD LBZ
1999 323i GTS2
1995 M3 - S50B32/S6S420G/3.91
1990 325is
1989 M3 - S54B32/GS6-37BZ
Hers: 1996 Porsche 911 Turbo
Hers: 1989 325iX
It's a liability thing. I hope the ISAAC folks will get the $$ together for SFI testing. Whether the way the test came about is fair or not, it has/will become the "standard". I really like the damper idea of the ISAAC system and would like to see it as an option for folks.
and i already posted it to it.com...good news travels fast!Originally Posted by scottbm3
well reading further into im almost sure the issac will be cirtified from what i read on cornercarvers and not to sure if nasa is gonna use there old list of cirtified h&n devices
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just saw the email too, way to go CR staff!!!
great idea... now it should be easier to convince my friends to get them.
Thats YOU david!
i've been wearing one since my 2nd race...Originally Posted by magnetic1
i didnt get it in time for my comp school and rookie race
1) The ISAAC won't be certified unless the SFI changes the language in their "standard" (basically, because of the non-single release...two qr pins).
2) One more reason I won't be BMWCCA racing again...I applaud their decision to be safety minded...but...sucking the teet of SFI (a manufacturer's association for all intent and purposes) is not necessary.
The ISAAC meets or beats the HANS every step of the way...and...I like to make my own choices...in this case that unfortunately leads to not running BMWCCA. I truly hope SCCA doesn't follow this lead to the T.
Mark in St. Louis
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Politics aside, and who makes what with whatever label aside, I applaud the decision.
This is a huge step forward in safety, and hopefully, we'll all work together to make the cars safer in other ways as well over time.
We will lose some racers, but on the other hand when the next car comes to an abupt stop, we won't wonder if the driver wouldn't have been better off with a H&N restraint.
That's one bit of wondering I think is well put behind us.
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There are custom seats available to accomodate the R3 by the way if anyone is interested.
Think about what you are saying for a minute.Originally Posted by buldogge
BMWCCA doesn't really have a choice. The insurance companies were eventually going to require H&N restraints...for that matter, they may have already required it of CCA. BMWCCA obviously doesn't have the staff or the $$ to pay an expert to determine which devices are safe or not. Using an industry "standard" is the only option that could possible please the lawyers and insurance companies.
I hate the way the SFI certification went down, but I can't blame BMWCCA for their choice. If SCCA had stepped up sooner with a list of their own approved devices, BMWCCA could have possibly followed that. Given a lack of any precedents in club racing, the SFI standard is the only means by which BMWCCA has to determine whether a particular H&N restraint is "safe" or not.
I'm a big fan of the idea of the ISAAC as well based on all of the things I've read and reasearched. That said, I've purchased a HANS because it's a device I know I can use from BMWCCA to Grand-Am and other series I'd like to try in the future. Baker, the ISAAC guy, is a smart dude...I know he doesn't like the politics of SFI, but I'm sure he can come up with a system to incorporate his dampers and pass the test. If you've ever tried to get out of the car in a hurry, the single-release idea makes a LOT of sense. I'd rather not be fiddling with 2 small pins that I can't see with gloved hands while flames are lapping at my legs.The ISAAC meets or beats the HANS every step of the way...and...I like to make my own choices...in this case that unfortunately leads to not running BMWCCA. I truly hope SCCA doesn't follow this lead to the T.
Baker posted on cornercarvers that his device will comply with the regs so im pretty sure its not to far off
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I truly hope he has it covered...
Originally Posted by vodomagoo
Mark in St. Louis
2000 MCoupe
motor: 12:1 fully built Metric Mechanic S52...Wisecos, Eagle rods, custom cams, LTW valvetrain, ported head, dBilas ITB's and custom tuning by NickG.
drivetrain: Custom steel LTW flywheel, M5 sachs sport clutch, Euro Evo 6spd, MM 3.73 diff...clutched and ramped.
suspension: TCK S/A 400/700, RD Sways, HIOP plates.
exhaust: HIOP headers, custom LTW 3" single exhaust.
misc: Revozport CF hood, powdercoated roadstars, alcantara steering wheel.
contact me for custom machining of any kind!
Anyone have a link to this ISAAC thing?
Thanks - Jay
From wannabe to has been in a few short years..... the older I get, the faster I was
Hoo-boy. Nice "the glass is half empty" attitude.Originally Posted by buldogge
This decision, which I hinted at here a number of weeks ago, is to be commended, and is long overdue, IMO. I am glad that BMW CR is leading the charge, rather than being a me-too'er.
And, as I have said before, irrespective of SFI certifications et al, there is a reason that most of not all pro series mandate HANS.
tanks - jayOriginally Posted by Steve J.
From wannabe to has been in a few short years..... the older I get, the faster I was
Has anyone ever heard of a group buy on HANS' before?? I am sure there is going to be a bum-rush to buy these things...
I don't believe HANS allows their distributors to sell at low cost. Some have done helmet/HANS deals or very small discounts.Originally Posted by warptkid
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