RMS.. The Truth inside. Re Chrome m3 *Merged Threads*

**M3NTALM3** · 03-25-2005, 08:46 PM

RMS: MARCH 25,2005 7:00pm EASTERN time
The Truth
hello,

my name is Chris Saccoccia, owner of the chrome m3. But im not really here to talk about me and my car, although I will have to in a minute so if you will please bear with me. I'm speaking as a concerned voice of the performance tuning world, trying to do what I feel is best for everybody esle who loves it as much as I do... keep it as professional, as REAL as it should be. My project started about 14 months ago when the car finally went away for winter in early Jan 04. I worked on it vigerously for the next 10 months. my goal was to drive my car to sema, in november. I worked through the various set backs and pitfalls that plague everybody who modifies there car, and with only a month until the show, my car was painted, interior/roll cage installed. Even my rims were on. Just finishing touches being done on the multimedia. Great... one problem. NO engine. The engine was some 2500km away in the hands of Osh Minelian, the Director of RMS. I managed to get the car to Osh with just under 3 weeks to sema. Since he had received my engine in early april, 04, Osh surprised me when he said it would be tough, but then reassured that I would be able to drive my car to Sema with the time we had left. "just remember to bring the remaining 50% of the money" Osh reminded me. When I arrived in Los Angeles 3 days before Sema, I was disappointed to see that although the engine looked prim and proper, it couldn't run. Unfortunately, quite a few neccesarry parts were missing. (Most were recovered at a local shop that had mis-hanlded them.).. Most. However, things like an ecu, a mass air flow sensor, and throttlebody vaished into thin air, along might I add a shipment of pedals and shiftknobs from Eisenhaus intended to be installed for their Sema exhibit. Eisenhaus trakced the package through UPS and in fact, it was delivered to RMS and signed by one of there employees. Nothing was ever found ....Sema was done, but the car needed to be finished. "When i get the parts after Sema, i'll need 3 weeks TOPS to have it running properly for ya, buddy! I'll fax a progress report over to your office at the end of next week" Osh said. Wow. And it came, too. The report listed a breakdown of remaining tasks on the car, and a projected date of completion. Dec 23rd. An early january, friday pick up was agreed upon. It was Friday the 14th. One week before the intended pick-up date Osh stalled again. He has and continues to make excuse after excuse trying to buy himself more time from waiting on the powder coating guy, to his welder he's used up just about everyone possible, week after week after week. I've heard it all! Someone even e mailed me pictures of my chrome m3, parked outside betwen other cars like a sardine! It was left outside for almost 2 MONTHS with NOBODY touching it, let alone WORKING on it, even the hood was left up in the pouring rain to expose my engine! Im completely fed up, and with the weather starting to change, I want my car back! Concerned, I jumped on a plane Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at approx 10:30 pm Toronto Eastern Standard Time. Upon my arrival in Los Angeles, I headed straight for RMS. Unfortunately I did not have the element of surpise, becuase I was affraid of arriving at RMS late enough that they would be closed. Osh was informed that I would be there, and had a good 2 hours to make his business look respectable. I was met by smiling faces, and a more importantly an un-finished project car. Osh gave me a ride back to the airport for my 9PM (Central Time) flight back home the same day I arrived. During our time alone, we had a heart to heart. We went through the whole situation, and I was willing to let everything go if I could just get the quality product that I had paid for, in full, long ago. I explained to Osh that I wanted the car to go to Washington DC at the end of this month. He looked me in the eyes and said "sorry you had to come all the way down here to check up, kiddo. Really you didn't have to... but don't worry we will have the car ready for you next wednesday" (March 20/05). When i got home it felt like some of the weight had been lifted. I set up the transport company and checked in with RMS everyday up to wednesday, receiving pleasing reports the whole time. Today is FRIDAY MARCH 25h. The truck my car was SUPPOSED to be on left RMS and went to San Diego with no chrome m3! Osh called me this morning trying desperately to buy himself more time. Not to mention he had the shipping company leave and come back to buy himself an extra day assuring the company that I personally would be more than happy to fit the 900 dollar waiting fee!!! I've been hearing the same tired excuses for the past 16+ weeks of the supposed 3 week project. I've had enough. I blatently told Osh that the car was leaving his shop, and he had the nerve to threaten me by telling me I would receive a lawyers letter from him absolving him from ALL RESPONSABILITY pertaining to my car because he was not given sufficient time to complete the project!!!! Osh has been given all the time in the world and every dollar asked for since November 2004. Now if you're supposed to be a professional, claiming to be the best in the industry, I should have been driving my car a long time ago. Angry, and at the end of my rope, I had the transport company confiscate my car from RMS' shop and it's now heading down to Washington Dc. NOT running after the've had my engine since april 04, and the rest of the car November, 04. There is no excuse for this situation... not even one that Osh can think up. There has been no wrong doing on my part, accept in trusting my last 14 months of work in the hands of an incapable establishment. This is the kind of hassle 31000 USD bought me, from RMS. Actions will be taken to repremand this situation, and I'm here speaking to you to let everybody know exactly what kind of people they will be dealing with if they decide to entrust their hard earned money, and beloved machinery to the likes of RMS and Osh Minelian. Oh and for all you hardcore Mini enthousiasts out there.... don't be fooled by RMS' Mini performance program headed up under the name " Gintani Mini Works " New name. Same " professionals ".
Heres a link to there BBB rating. No surprises here, I wish I would have seen/known all this before I sent my engine down there.
http://www.labbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/Bu...D=13066934&sm=

Sincerely,

Chris Saccoccia
If anybody wishes to contact me, feel free to email me at ckris_s@hotmail.com i'll be more than happy to answer any questions or go into more detail about my unsavory situation. If you wish to contact RMS, considering Osh is always ready to come up with some kind of excuse. Lets see him try to explain this one. 818 778 6106.

Please take a second and sign this petition against RMS. If you don't want to do it for me, do it for other BMW/Mini enthusiasts. Your helping out your community here, the more signatures we get, the better. Thanks..
http://www.petitiononline.com/RMS/petition.html

this is how my car looked @ RMS for 2 months..
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/atta...id=49564&stc=1

**PhEaR** · 03-25-2005, 09:18 PM

Wow. Can i get some cliff notes?

**PhEaR** · 03-25-2005, 09:26 PM

Okay okay. I am bored waiting for people to get off a work so I can go out. And i decided to read the Epic of the Chrome M3.

That whole situation really sucks, and sorry to hear that happened to you. I have had that same talk around with a body shop. Told me a week took them 3, then when i got it back my AC, alarm, and someother things didn't work. I brought the car back to them, and when i got it back the Heat and airbag sensor was fed up.

**AtlanticVortex** · 03-25-2005, 09:49 PM

Wow, I cannot believe they did that. Granted everything is as you say is true , (which I am sure it is) you will win in court. For the record, that is the best looking M3 I have ever seenand I will not buy anything from these guys after reading this.

**Phat Ham** · 03-25-2005, 09:57 PM

Osh is a lying, theiving bastard. Please don't anybody ever give Osh even a single dollar. He pulled this same crap with a member on m5board.com. Chris, it's unfortunate that you had to go through it as well.

**///Mr. Three** · 03-25-2005, 10:01 PM

Not a surprise whatsoever. After reading about all of the M5board.com horror stories, I have no faith in that company, even if there are two sides to a story. It seems like Osh handles the small jobs ok (my previous M3 was supercharged with their stuff in the hands of the new owner; it was a small job and no complaints from the buyer of my old car.) But the big jobs are just disasters. Common, 30K in money? That is a lot to put into a car and your project should be put on top status. I am sorry to hear of your expereinces. EVERYONE needs to be aware of this crook's business practices. WIth the amount bad press this business has gone through, I am suprised they are even in exsistence still. It always seems that he gets the people who are unaware of his business practices ie people from outside of the united states. Browse M5board.com if you want to see more. There are tons of threads there.

Best of luck on the chrome M3 project for the future and hope you find a better tuning shop.

**///Mr. Three** · 03-25-2005, 10:02 PM

It is also funny to see Osh suddenly appear on a thread to do damage control and look at the lame excuses. It might even happend here, we'll see.

**DakarDave** · 03-25-2005, 10:03 PM

I'm sorry to hear this, and I hope this works out for you.

You may want to post this on the FI boards... Osh sometimes posts there...

-Dave

**Theodore** · 03-25-2005, 10:04 PM

I'm still shocked that people actually give them their money and business. I've been in the BMW community for bout 4 years now and have NEVER seen or heard a good word about that company.

**Flawless** · 03-25-2005, 10:06 PM

Dude, no offense, but I swer you had this coming. I remember reading some earlier posts and people had told you that RMS has had problems with people on this board.

**6i9** · 03-25-2005, 10:08 PM

I hope that POS gets what he deserves. I can't believe the moron said he didn't have enough time to work on the car. What a worthless company and a worthless business person.

**6i9** · 03-25-2005, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Flawless

Dude, no offense, but I swer you had this coming. I remember reading some earlier posts and people had told you that RMS has had problems with people on this board.

Link...? If this is true, then yes, he had this coming sadly

**Dwayne** · 03-25-2005, 10:11 PM

Unfortunately, Chris is one of many people RMS has really screwed over. There are several people on the m5board who had superchargers and modifications promised for their M5s, and in the end, some of these guys didn't even have an engine left for their new M5 because it vanished into thin air somehow.

For those interested in some reading, here you go:

"RMS shut down? With pictures... "
http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=53714

"Anyone want a good RMS laugh? Read.."
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...&highlight=RMS

"What a fine job RMS did! Check this out"
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...&highlight=RMS

"Whats the worst thing that happened to your M5 ?"
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...&highlight=RMS

Just do a search on the m5board.com boards for RMS, you'll see what they've caused. RMS will tear your engine out of your M5 or Z8, and sell parts off of it, leaving you hanging dry.

I wish you all the luck in the world, Chris, in dealing with these crooks.

**SilverBeam** · 03-25-2005, 10:13 PM

If you kept all the status reports and all your reciepts, I don't think you would have a problem. Sue the bastard! Sorry you had to go through so much.

**Brian@POG** · 03-25-2005, 10:17 PM

give me a call on monday, we may be able to help you out.

Brian

**viperbite** · 03-25-2005, 10:18 PM

dude nice car. and sad that someone did that to you.
i signed m8
hope it helps.

**MrBlonde** · 03-25-2005, 10:19 PM

How unpleasant, best wishes for your next move.

**psk145** · 03-25-2005, 10:27 PM

Osh strikes again. Im not really surprised to read all this. Sorry to hear of your problems, I hope you get them worked out as soon as possible

**Dwayne** · 03-25-2005, 10:28 PM

Unfortunately, Chris is one of many people RMS has really screwed over. There are several people on the m5board who had superchargers and modifications promised for their M5s, and in the end, some of these guys didn't even have an engine left for their new M5 because it vanished into thin air somehow.

For those interested in some reading, here you go:

"RMS shut down? With pictures... "
http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=53714

"Anyone want a good RMS laugh? Read.."
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...&highlight=RMS

"What a fine job RMS did! Check this out"
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...&highlight=RMS

"Whats the worst thing that happened to your M5 ?"
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...&highlight=RMS

Just do a search on the m5board.com boards for RMS, you'll see what they've caused. RMS will tear your engine out of your M5 or Z8, and sell parts off of it, leaving you hanging dry.

I wish you all the luck in the world, Chris, in dealing with these crooks.

**BuddaLun** · 03-25-2005, 10:41 PM

Wow. I reall don't know what to say, this is a really fuc*ed up situation. Chris, I hope you figure something out.

**943184dr** · 03-25-2005, 10:51 PM

Chris, really sorry to hear about that, i'm going to sign the petition myself. and I would highly recomend ICS if anyone can fix what OSH messed up they can and if anything else improve on RMS's handywork. I have seen absolutly nothing but good things happen when people go to ICS.

Tom

**MFaust** · 03-25-2005, 10:54 PM

Sorry to hear about the troubles. The pics circulating around the internet of your car looked amazing. All the best on getting your car back into shape and running well.

**sachin528** · 03-25-2005, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Dwayne

Just do a search on the m5board.com boards for RMS, you'll see what they've caused. RMS will tear your engine out of your M5 or Z8, and sell parts off of it, leaving you hanging dry.

I wish you all the luck in the world, Chris, in dealing with these crooks.

Sounds a lot like what Hennesy did to people's Vipers.

**jonsibal** · 03-25-2005, 11:06 PM

very unfortunate situation.

**Dwayne** · 03-25-2005, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by sachin528

Sounds a lot like what Hennesy did to people's Vipers.

Exactly, it's a very similar situation. I've heard the comparison made before, too.

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