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    Different types of instrument clusters....

    Hey all,
    I know of 2 types of instrument clusters, one with the picture of the BMW and lights and arrows showing where the problem(s) are, and the one like mine in my 2003 540 that just shows text in mid/cluster.

    Do only certain models of the E39 come with one type of cluster and other models come with the other type, or is it based on year?

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    Not entirely sure but I have a pre facelift 528 and it has the cluster with the car. I think its based on year/model.
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    Which models & what years get the high vs. the low obd?

    Which one has the "pic" of the car in the cluster (high or low)?

    Just trying to learn a bit about something that's been confusing to me for a while.....
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    2003 540i sport: 81k, Sterling grey/grey, MKIV Nav, PDC & CWP - Added license plate backup camera with "on demand" switch, paddle shift steering wheel, windows up/sunroof close via remote, Akebono's, painted calipers with "BMW" lettering, quad brake lights, iPod audio via AUX mode/video via 16x9 screen, BMW TV tuner, ///M pedals & gauge rings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sealbeach740 View Post
    Which models & what years get the high vs. the low obd?

    Which one has the "pic" of the car in the cluster (high or low)?

    Just trying to learn a bit about something that's been confusing to me for a while.....
    High OBD is known as IKE and low OBD is know as the KOM using BMW's three letter acronyms.

    I think, THINK... (as far as the US)

    The KOM was used on the pre-facelift 528i. The IKE was used on the pre-facelift 540i.

    All the facelift 525i, 530i, 540i and all the M5s have the IKE.



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    Not true I have 2001 525 with low obc. Us model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortedaman View Post
    Not true I have 2001 525 with low obc. Us model.
    Then maybe some base model 525i's have the KOM as well.



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    I think it was included with one of the packages, premium package or something. Standard on 540's/M5's

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    I have the premium package and I have a low OBC. I like it. My friend has a 2001 740 Individual and he has the high OBC. I like mine better, but I'm one of few E39's that has NO pixels out.
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    I have none out as well.

    I didn't mean the premium package specifically, was just throwing it out as an example. It came with some sort of package I'm pretty sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by milla290 View Post
    I have the premium package and I have a low OBC. I like it. My friend has a 2001 740 Individual and he has the high OBC. I like mine better, but I'm one of few E39's that has NO pixels out.
    There are plenty that work... mostly those that have been repaired.
    You can expect that every one of the original flexible circuit will fail. You've just been lucky so far. (Or unlucky, since early failure would have covered under warranty.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeniczone View Post
    Then maybe some base model 525i's have the KOM as well.
    and I saw a lot of 530 with the KOM or low obd

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    There are a few types (Please correct me if im wrong)

    Early 97 High obc ( IKE & Cluster were seperate)
    Early 97 Low obc ( same as above?) << not sure for I6
    High OBC Cluster ( w/ 6500 rev limit for I6)
    Low OBC Cluster ( w/6500 rev limit for 16)
    High OBC Cluster ( w/ 6000(?) rev limit for V8)
    High OBC Cluster ( M5 )
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    This applies to the e39s imported to the USA:

    • all V8s (540i/iT/M5) have the high cluster & high MID (or optional Nav)
    • all 528i/iT models have the low (base) cluster & low MID
    • the 525i/iT & 530i could come with either set-up depending on installed options or pkgs...for example, if ordered with onBoard Nav...the high cluster is included because onBoard Nav requires the high cluster.


    FYI (for those unfamiliar with the difference between the low & high clusters & MIDs):





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    See but I have the low cluster but high version of the MID and I have a 528i. I know this as I have the telephone button. Sorry to confuse.
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    Interesting info. Thanks to all who replied. Guess I wasn't the only one on the board who didn't totally understand the whole high/low cluster thing.

    It's also interesting that the low cluster looks like it has an extra "oil" icon on the lower right side (as compared to the high cluster), and also an extra icon on the bottom right that looks like an exclamation point (!) surrounded in a some sort of ring. Anyone know what these 2 extra icons stand for?

    In the high cluster, I get warning and error messages in the text display area. Where is this info shown in the low cluster? Where the car graphic is displayed?

    Finally, can the low cluster be unlocked allowing various tests/info on operating condtion to be displayed, as you can with the high cluster?

    Thanks again for the really interesting info I've learned from this board!
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    Same here low obc but high mid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milla290
    See but I have the low cluster but high version of the MID and I have a 528i. I know this as I have the telephone button. Sorry to confuse.
    The phone button doesn't mean you have the high MID. Its the BC button that distinguishes the low MID from the high MID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qsilver7 View Post
    This applies to the e39s imported to the USA:

    • all V8s (540i/iT/M5) have the high cluster & high MID (or optional Nav)
    • all 528i/iT models have the low (base) cluster & low MID
    • the 525i/iT & 530i could come with either set-up depending on installed options or pkgs...for example, if ordered with onBoard Nav...the high cluster is included because onBoard Nav requires the high cluster.

    FYI (for those unfamiliar with the difference between the low & high clusters & MIDs):




    that helped ME a lot, I have a 530d 2001 facelifted and I have high instrument cluster but how do I check the MID if I have the 16:9 screen?

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    The high cluster comes with either a MID unit or the TV screen (4:3 or 16:9)

    Just go into 'computer' or 'settings' to see some of the info thats normally displayed on the MID.

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    4:3 is square 16:9 is rectangle

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortedaman
    4:3 is square 16:9 is rectangle
    No, it mean for each 4 parts horizontally there are 3 equal parts vertically. Same with 16:9. For every 16 parts horizontally there are 9 parts vertical. They are both in the shape of a rectangle. If it was square it would be even. Aspect ratio is what its called.

    Quote Originally Posted by Qsilver7

    The phone button doesn't mean you have the high MID. Its the BC button that distinguishes the low MID from the high MID.

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    Ah.. I missed that. I do NOT have the BC button.
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    Quote Originally Posted by milla290 View Post
    No, it mean for each 4 parts horizontally there are 3 equal parts vertically. Same with 16:9. For every 16 parts horizontally there are 9 parts vertical. They are both in the shape of a rectangle. If it was square it would be even. Aspect ratio is what its called..
    It was just a generalization. A 4:3 screen looks square. Our eyes can't see a perfect square properly. If you ever look at a perfect square it looks like it is taller than it is wider and if you ever show a 1:1 square compared to a 4:3 rectangle, I would guarantee a large number of people would pick the 4:3 as the square and the 1:1 as the rectangle.

    Plus comparing a 4:3 to a 16:9, the 4:3 is obviously more square.



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    If you want, do what I did way back in 04 when I got my 97: retrofit to High OBC. Take a harness. I had to import mine, but I believe that because I and a few others did that, it is now mastered in the BMW-US database. I can find you the part number if you want. Was a serious PITA to wire in. Had to hit a patch panel under/behind the glove compartment. I'll attach the instructions later if you want.

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