Got Torque? Check out what 15psi can do. Dyno/vids inside.

[M3GSX]

First off, I want to thank NickG, George at ICS, SAM at Advanced, My old shop, and to my co-workers at Speed Industry. And my wife for dealing with my 'other' baby haha.

Okay, so I have not posted much lately. I've been pretty busy . I Recently got married, and have a baby boy on the way.

However; I have made enough time to have some fun with my Turbo E36.

I just so happen to have one of the Only MUSTANG AWD-IMP Dynos in Michigan right here at work.

We had a dyno day on 10-29-2011. Mostly Subarus, EVO's, some Audis, Hondas etc.

Just to put it out there; our dyno reads LOW.

To put it into perspective: A customer of ours has a EVO which runs 10.50's@135-136mph. On Bushurs Dyno he put down 570AWHP.
On our Dyno Day he put down 496AWHP :/ with even more boost! (only a couple psi)

My co-workers Integra put down 440whp last year on this dyno and ran 135mph at the track, now hes putting down 506whp...i may have some competition....uh oh

Everyone calls our Dyno the "Heartbreaker" LOL

Now that I have made my disclaimer.....on to the good stuff.

I have to say. This Turbonetics TC-76 has impressed me to say the least. The spool for a 76mm is incredible.

My Setup (All work done by Yours Truly)
1998 M3 S52 87mm bore.
9:1 Built Block and Copper O-rings
OBX Tubular Top-Mount Manifold, Turbonetics TC-76 T4 .96AR
3" Downpipe, 3.5" Exhaust, 4" Muffler.
24x12x4 Intercooler, 3" Piping
M50 Intake Manifold
15 PSI Pump Gas

At 10PSI, the Car put down ~500whp ~480TQ

At 15PSI the car made 533whp/533tq with the tires spinning so hard I had to shut it down early. That would be DNOJET NUMBERS TO BE CONFIRMED. (using our standard dynojet conversion, which is almost spot-on). But to hell with Dynojets.....any tuner will tell you that a mustang dyno is best for accurate tuning...hands down

I had 2 guys sitting in the trunk and two in the Car and it did not Help! Im sure If I was able to get a clean pass I would have hit an easy 550 on that dyno at 15psi.

I wanted to get a 20psi pump gas run, and a 25psi Race Gas (ms 109) pull in but traction issues made that impossible.

I still need to do some touching up with the tune but so far I am super Impressed! George did me well with this tune I could not ask for more.

The Torque my engine makes is Diesel STATUS lol!

I am a shell 93 octane pump gas warrior!

20psi pump, 25psi Race gas coming soon. We are going to weld in hooks and studs to the floor of the dyno so we can strap cars down instead of pulling them down from each end. We have a lot of High HP cars on our dyno and it is becoming an issue.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPDqzlKWjVU[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN5UKqgrRTI[/ame] <----you can literally see the tire burning in this one! Euro Power!!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vboggm8famY[/ame]

Here is the sheet. TORQUE BABY! *Dip at the top of the graph is tire spin*


IMG_20111030_121114 by malessandri1, on Flickr

[NickG]

No doubt those are nice results.....the car sounds like a beast.

I still need to do some touching up with the tune but so far I am super Impressed! George did me well with this tune I could not ask for more.

You're welcome

[milKt]

^



Congrats on some serious numbers.

[M3GSX]

No doubt those are nice results.....the car sounds like a beast.



You're welcome

Well, I need to thank you.

I know there were some issues with George and the few tunes that were sold but I have to say that the Tune has been more than I ever expected..

If you are ever back up north again, I would love for a re-tune. By the man himself.

Thanks again Nick.

[Colby Colbs]

You won......

[Z3speed4me]

Nice power!! Dunno how realisticly 533 turns into 629 on a dynojet....for 15 psi 629 is kinda unheard of for just straight 93. Only way to tell is to get to the big black dyno for backup proof!!!

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[M3GSX]

You won......

haha, yea thats my buddy Junior in the Video screaming....."you won, you won" haha crazy Puerto Rican. His Interga is no joke. We had a bet going to see who would put down the most power...

Nice power!! Dunno how realisticly 533 turns into 629 on a dynojet....for 15 psi 629 is kinda unheard of for just straight 93. Only way to tell is to get to the big black dyno for backup proof!!!

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That will probably never happen, considering this dyno is free of charge for me, dynojet numbers may never be seen. A lot of people complain that our dyno reads too low...oh well. (reads 50-70whp lower than other Mustang Dynos in the area)

Dont forget I am running a 76mm turbo, which flows much more air than a 61-62mm wheel at 15psi

FWIW George put down ~620whp on his Stage 1 car with a smaller turbo and the exact same Tune/ECU, so it cant be that far off.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum....php?t=1279785

MORE VIDEO UP

[nucci]

15psi is still 15psi - roughly a doubling of an engine's NA power. Not doubting your results, but the projected HP numbers seem very high. Stock driveline E36 cars lose between 30-40hp from the clutch to the tire in 4th gear, and assuming a doubling of your engine's NA power, that makes for 330hp at the crank NA.

What have you got for cylinder head work, intake manifold, and camshafts? With the right combo, it is definitely possible - after all the S54 makes 330 to the crank through big restrictive catalysts. I would be eager to hear what setup gained you these results!

[EMC]

That will probably never happen, considering this dyno is free of charge for me, dynojet numbers may never be seen. A lot of people complain that our dyno reads too low...oh well. (reads 50-70whp lower than other Mustang Dynos in the area)

Dont forget I am running a 76mm turbo, which flows much more air than a 61-62mm wheel at 15psi

What's it cost or a few pulls on the Dynojet? Maybe $75? If so, I'll pay for the Dynojet runs. Lets see whats up! Just let me know when and where so I can get some video and put this to rest. I'm guessing it will be at least 600 rwtq on the Dynojet.

[rukman]

What size injectors? 60lbers?
Stock cams?
Stock head or port work?

[99r6]

Some great numbers. An encouragement to my current build.

Can you give a few more details on your engine specs?

piston/rod
HG
ARP?

[M3GSX]

What's it cost or a few pulls on the Dynojet? Maybe $75? If so, I'll pay for the Dynojet runs. Lets see whats up! Just let me know when and where so I can get some video and put this to rest. I'm guessing it will be at least 600 rwtq on the Dynojet.

I can talk to Lidio over at Alternative. We used to use his dyno at my old shop for various pulls/tuning.

He may be interested. To be frank, Im not very interested in dynojet numbers. Anyone that knows this dyno, will attest to its prudeness...this bitch does not put out..hah I hope to hit the dragstrip before it snows to get some real numbers But I may do it just for all the Haterade drinkers out there! You know who you are!!! haha J/K

100% OEM Head/Cams
Eagle Rods
JE 9:1 Pistons
Elring HeadGasket
Figure-8 O-ring (copper)
10mm ARP 2000's @ 115-120ft/lbs (old lube)
60lb injectors..soon to be changed Will probably use 100% meth injection for +20psi in the meantime. If I still dont have enough fuel then Im going to try 18psi plus 100shot on ms 109. (ive got a pretty nice ZEX wet kit laying around somewhere..hehe I wonder what kind of TQ that would make ???? Thank god i have an extra trans and block as backup!

I have the luxury of an on-site dyno and every tool known to man, so Im not afraid to push the LIMITS! I want people to respect the BMW crowd for more than looks/handling

next summer will be the third season on this block fwiw.

If things go as planned we may be tossing in/testing a new AEM Infinity EMS with 2000cc injectors and E85. Sky will be the limit then....

[jszy25]

I feel like the sedan + stock DSII wheels make it extra sleeper...little do people know its an absolute beast. Sounds great!

[M3GSX]

15psi is still 15psi - roughly a doubling of an engine's NA power. Not doubting your results, but the projected HP numbers seem very high. Stock driveline E36 cars lose between 30-40hp from the clutch to the tire in 4th gear, and assuming a doubling of your engine's NA power, that makes for 330hp at the crank NA.

What have you got for cylinder head work, intake manifold, and camshafts? With the right combo, it is definitely possible - after all the S54 makes 330 to the crank through big restrictive catalysts. I would be eager to hear what setup gained you these results!

We do a lot of tuning over here and one thing I can say is that 15psi is NOT just 15psi. I wish it were that simple.

For example. We picked up 60whp going from a Turbonetics 60mm to a precision 5857. Did not change a thing, besides the turbo.

Another example. We did and EVO that put down 423whp at 29psi (E85) on precision 5857 and HKS 272 Cams.... We swapped the hks 272's for Kelford 288's and laid down 501whp at the same boost level... --I know what you are thinking, well sure you revved it out further. Yes we did, but it also made more power under the curve -everywhere.

In the end, i'ts about efficiency. I am a huge fan of the stock head/cam setups on these motors. I was a BMW tech years ago and If I know anything; its that BMW engineers are some of the best in the world.

[99r6]

Thanks for the info.

Do you plan on taking it to the strip anytime soon?

[M3GSX]

Thanks for the info.

Do you plan on taking it to the strip anytime soon?

I do, I am having some body work done in the near future, and hoping to be able to squeeze some 26" 10.5 Mickey Thompson ET wrinkle walls on her...

I was spinning the 245/45/18 ET Streets in 4th....talk about scary. I had other cars angry at me as my car was all over the road....but I had to catch that 680whp Blown Viper tee-hee.

All poly bushings and some slicks should do me well. Only time will tell

[das Boot]

nice numbers man, hers is my last dyno we managed a clean pass on 16 lbs there is so much left in this turbo its not even funny, my tuner calls it the parts breaker turbo and sure enough after we dynoed it , my clytch and tranny gave out , but it was thier time with alot of abuse in the past.20 lbs 700+25 lbs 800+ my new clutch is coming and i got a fresh tranny from bavarian , install and dyno time on 20 +

[biglou911]

I can talk to Lidio over at Alternative. We used to use his dyno at my old shop for various pulls/tuning.

He may be interested. To be frank, Im not very interested in dynojet numbers. Anyone that knows this dyno, will attest to its prudeness...this bitch does not put out..hah I hope to hit the dragstrip before it snows to get some real numbers But I may do it just for all the Haterade drinkers out there! You know who you are!!! haha J/K

100% OEM Head/Cams
Eagle Rods
JE 9:1 Pistons
Elring HeadGasket
Figure-8 O-ring (copper)
10mm ARP 2000's @ 115-120ft/lbs (old lube)
60lb injectors..soon to be changed Will probably use 100% meth injection for +20psi in the meantime. If I still dont have enough fuel then Im going to try 18psi plus 100shot on ms 109. (ive got a pretty nice ZEX wet kit laying around somewhere..hehe I wonder what kind of TQ that would make ???? Thank god i have an extra trans and block as backup!

I have the luxury of an on-site dyno and every tool known to man, so Im not afraid to push the LIMITS! I want people to respect the BMW crowd for more than looks/handling

next summer will be the third season on this block fwiw.

If things go as planned we may be tossing in/testing a new AEM Infinity EMS with 2000cc injectors and E85. Sky will be the limit then....

Lidio owns a mustang too

did you get the door fixed

I do, I am having some body work done in the near future, and hoping to be able to squeeze some 26" 10.5 Mickey Thompson ET wrinkle walls on her...

I was spinning the 245/45/18 ET Streets in 4th....talk about scary. I had other cars angry at me as my car was all over the road....but I had to catch that 680whp Blown Viper tee-hee.

All poly bushings and some slicks should do me well. Only time will tell

get some 15s

[MikeE36]

15psi is still 15psi - roughly a doubling of an engine's NA power. Not doubting your results, but the projected HP numbers seem very high. Stock driveline E36 cars lose between 30-40hp from the clutch to the tire in 4th gear, and assuming a doubling of your engine's NA power, that makes for 330hp at the crank NA.

What have you got for cylinder head work, intake manifold, and camshafts? With the right combo, it is definitely possible - after all the S54 makes 330 to the crank through big restrictive catalysts. I would be eager to hear what setup gained you these results!

I thought you knew better than this ? A force inducted engine can realistically reach higher than 100% VE. Read Maximum boost again, it explains why 1 bar != 480 bhp on an E36

-Mike

[biglou911]

I thought you knew better than this ? A force inducted engine can realistically reach higher than 100% VE. Read Maximum boost again, it explains why 1 bar != 480 bhp on an E36

-Mike

+1

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[das Boot]

1bar.. 14.5 lbs he could have been on the high side of 15 lbs??

[wazzu70]

They mean 15psi from one compressor is not the same as 15psi in another. A more efficient compressor will generate more CFM at the same intake restriction.

pressure does not equal the amount of air being moved.



Nice results, looking forward to your experiments.

[M3GSX]

Same ECU, Same MAF, Same Injectors, SAME ECU, Smaller Turbo......

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...ht=ics+stage+1

Why is is so hard to believe that I made just a wee bit more power on pump with a much larger turbo, forged block and a little less boost? 76mm vs 63.5mm?? Its clear as day.

[nucci]

The torque you made at the boost level you made is the only thing I'm not 100% believing. Your hardware choices could easily make 900whp so I'm not doubting that you made some big power.

[milKt]

The torque you made at the boost level you made is the only thing I'm not 100% believing. Your hardware choices could easily make 900whp so I'm not doubting that you made some big power.

+1

very early torque for such a large frame turbo (not matter HOW GOOD the tune.) Years of BMW M50/S50 based graphs show that a turbo that size comes on MUCH more smoothly/gradually.

The AMOUNT and RPM the graph shows may be a result of the Mustang dyno operator accidentally using the roller speed (like the recent dyno we viewed from Miller) INSTEAD of the engine RPM speed.