WAR chip ?

[7808]

need somthing to tune with in the near future and looks like last month war chip was ready for 413 & 506 dme so who has expierence with it? worth it?

is it a better solution to say megasquirt for a basic turbo setup?

[ramzisleiman]

Personally I havent had the WAR experience YET. But I dont think it can be better than any standalone system, such as MS

[a32guy]

Originally Posted by ramzisleiman

But I dont think it can be better than any standalone system, such as MS

lol

[ramzisleiman]

Originally Posted by a32guy

lol

lol.. is that agreeing or disagreeing!

[a32guy]

Originally Posted by ramzisleiman

lol.. is that agreeing or disagreeing!

I will say the 413/506 will run the M50 better hands down, IMO. However, I don't want to turn this into a 413 vs MS thread. There are plenty of those.

[ramzisleiman]

Originally Posted by a32guy

I will say the 413/506 will run the M50 better hands down, IMO. However, I don't want to turn this into a 413 vs MS thread. There are plenty of those.

lol

[325icintn]

If the war chip software truly has the ability to allow DIY tuning, it will be better than MS or any standalone. The stock DME is superior. The only advantage I see to standalone is the software which can hold your hand in the tuning process.

That said, I have yet to hear of anyone using the War chip software to tune a FI project from scratch.

[Brody]

Originally Posted by 325icintn

If the war chip software truly has the ability to allow DIY tuning, it will be better than MS or any standalone. The stock DME is superior. The only advantage I see to standalone is the software which can hold your hand in the tuning process.

That said, I have yet to hear of anyone using the War chip software to tune a FI project from scratch.

The W.A.R. Chip was never meant to be a software development tool used to make a tune from scratch. The amount of people out there who want and would do this is very limited and doesn't justify the cost to make an all out development software. We have had a number of customers, Mostly m20 and m30 with their own turbo kits they have built use our W.A.R. Chip and base software to massage out the base file to suit their specific application.

There is one guy on the forum, haven't seen him post in ages, with a turbo 413. He has had the W.A.R. Chip for a while. I believe his screen name is Vais.

There is one guy using the W.A.R. Chip for his PD blower M20 kit he is working on, a few guys on mye28. Its is funny. 90% of our customers use the forums but are "lurkers."

We have 7 W.A.R. Chips left in stock which are on sale right now. We started this year with 250, so there are a fair number of them out there but only the "super hardcores" (few and far between) have mentioned anything on the forums.

The next batch of W.A.R. Chips are due to come off the assembly line in early December.

[E36 328is]

From my understanding the war chip as of now for the 413 allows for basic maps for n/a tuning. How long until it has the abililty to adjust for different injectors and MAF? I think I read on your website that you will provide a base map for different injectors and MAF currently though right?

[325icintn]

Originally Posted by Brody

We have had a number of customers, Mostly m20 and m30 with their own turbo kits they have built use our W.A.R. Chip and base software to massage out the base file to suit their specific application.

There seems to be much confusion about the base software. I think this thread sprouts from this confusion. Will you please explain what it can do and what it was not intended to do?

[7808]

yes, confusion is where this thread came from lol, looking through the files for the e36 on the miller site, i only see a limited number of files mostly looks like stock and 19# basemaps, can this $250 package tune larger injectors and boosted applications or what

243 chips were sold and not one turbo e36 has shown up running the war chip ?

[badluckM3]

Originally Posted by 7808

243 chips were sold and not one turbo e36 has shown up running the war chip ?

+1?

Focus for them seems to be on the m20 and m30 platforms, while missing the boat with all the FI e36 m5x/s5x's around. You'd figure demand would drive the operation, but they love them some m20 and m30's.

[Brody]

Originally Posted by 325icintn

There seems to be much confusion about the base software. I think this thread sprouts from this confusion. Will you please explain what it can do and what it was not intended to do?

The W.A.R. Chip can tune all your fuel and ignition for the various maps, your RPM limit, idle limit, O2 sensor on/off/off in boost etc. You can not change injector constants or air flow tables.

Why? Simply because most people will never want to get that dirty. And why would they want to if there are base files with those settings adjusted to start with. Adding those features will not sell more W.A.R. Chips for us. Most people who buy the W.A.R. Chip are scared to death of tuning, but want to take advantage of their custom set up and get rid of their generic tune. They either sit down and baby step their way through the whole process, or take it to their local speed shop and have them tune it.

And typically, if you are running X size injectors, your are running X size MAF, and are at X power level. No one is running 42# injectors on their stock 325/m3. So because there is a standard for applications, a properly developed base file will be more than enough to get them started. They have the ability to massage out the tune to specifically fit their needs. If they have issues with certain things and it requires adjustments in a map they don't have access to, they phone us up, we send them some adjusted files. They try them and work with the one that gets them going where they want. If they want/need expanded maps, we can set up a custom .ECU Configuration file.

Again, this isn't a hardcore software development tool. It gets rid of generic software, allowing one to tailor fit it to their specific car. It allows them to change their tune as their car evolves, and gives them one more thing to play with on their car. It also give people an excuse to finally do that project they have always wanted to do.

There is even one customer in Australia. He is using Ostrich to do the initial tune on his car, set up some different tune, street, race etc. Then he will be writing them to the W.A.R. Chip for permanent installation.

Here is a quick screen shot of the m3.3.1 interface to give you an idea of how it is laid out, and what is readily available to edit.

Originally Posted by 7808

yes, confusion is where this thread came from lol, looking through the files for the e36 on the miller site, i only see a limited number of files mostly looks like stock and 19# basemaps, can this $250 package tune larger injectors and boosted applications or what

243 chips were sold and not one turbo e36 has shown up running the war chip ?

The turbo files are not posted for the general public. You actually have to have certain permissions to see certain files.

Like I said, there is one person I know of on here with our W.A.R. Chip for his boosted e36. Because we dropped the ball and didn't have the editing software right away for e36 applications, it kind of drifted out of sight for most. Now that the M3.3.1 applications have been taken care of we hope to get more e36 W.A.R. Chips out there.

You are right, it has mostly been for non e36 cars. There are a few M5/M6's some 745's, e30 M3's all sorts of stroker M20's, turbo m30s etc. etc. We dropped the ball on the e36 for a while, but hopefully with the new stock coming up we will be able to get some e36 guys satisfied

[E36 328is]

That seems perfect for a large market share providing the base map for a boosted application and then being able to tweak it on their own. So the one time $250 could essentially cover many different n/a tunes and FI applications, this is sounding better everyday.

Is this available for the 405 currently?

[Brody]

Originally Posted by E36 328is

That seems perfect for a large market share providing the base map for a boosted application and then being able to tweak it on their own. So the one time $250 could essentially cover many different n/a tunes and FI applications, this is sounding better everyday.

Is this available for the 405 currently?

Yes, it is available for the 405. More ECU's more makes, more tunes are being finished all the time. We will be focusing on the m3.3.1 more early next year to bring more tunes for more applications into the W.A.R. Room.

[DKING 528e39]

sorry for the noob question but if the stock DME is constantly changing the settings in your car constantly to run better and better would over time your car would just tune every thing for you?

[Brody]

Originally Posted by DKING 528e39

sorry for the noob question but if the stock DME is constantly changing the settings in your car constantly to run better and better would over time your car would just tune every thing for you?

If it were that easy, no one would be tuning cars! Unfortunately, the cars can only adapt within a certain range. They have target settings they try and reach, and if something is a LITTLE off, it can adapt pretty easily. But it can't self tune for THE best performance, nor can it adjust itself for your turbo system you may bolt on.

[milKT]

Its too bad there are not many members here
who can vouch for its potency/reliability.
Competitive pricing and reliability is definitely something
that BMW tuners can use.

[Robstah]

The tunerpro definition file that is located on their site still has more information than what WAR seems to be providing and it's free. Check it out, just remember to use the same BIN with the same XDF.

http://www.markmansur.com/

[Brody]

Originally Posted by milKT

Its too bad there are not many members here
who can vouch for its potency/reliability.
Competitive pricing and reliability is definitely something
that BMW tuners can use.

It's too bad that there aren't many frequent posters on here with the product. Lots of forum readers that post occasionally, but none of the "regulars." In time they will come

[E36 328is]

Originally Posted by Robstah

The tunerpro definition file that is located on their site still has more information than what WAR seems to be providing and it's free. Check it out, just remember to use the same BIN with the same XDF.

http://www.markmansur.com/

That is such a load of poop. I spent 5 hours with that and wasnt able to even begin to do what the basic version of the WAR chip does. The WAR chip is a great solution for normal people with average size brains like myself .

Trying to figure out how to properly edit the maps is a little mind bottling from tunerpro.

Edit: I just spent 5 minutes and was able to to more for the 405 dme than WAR offers when I fugured out I was using the program wrong. Rob is 100% correct.

[a32guy]

Originally Posted by E36 328is

Trying to figure out how to properly edit the maps is a little mind bottling from tunerpro.

Yes. Some things in life can be mind bottling.

[milKT]

Originally Posted by Brody

It's too bad that there aren't many frequent posters on here with the product. Lots of forum readers that post occasionally, but none of the "regulars." In time they will come

Then again,
if they're selling despite forum support,
who cares?

[SiGmA]

Humm. I never got an email back in regards to how injectors are scaled / AE's handled / etc. I know first hand from playing with Tunerpro that 60's aren't so easy to calibrate for...

[milKT]

Originally Posted by a32guy

Yes. Some things in life can be mind bottling.