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10-14-2009, 09:42 AM
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Is Button an undeserving champ?
If he wins of course... I mean, the guy won 6 of the opening 7 races. Talent played a part, the car played a bigger one IMHO.
Then, as other teams caught up (and split the points between themselves), he merely surfed on those early successes and did, well, nothing worthy of a true champ. Even though he sometimes ended up behind him at the finish line, it seems like Rubens had a better second half of the season than Jenson. He will probably clinch the title alright. But I'm reminded of a phrase Ayrton Senna said in a documentary : «Every year somebody wins the championship; but not every year is there a champion». I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he'll pull a Hamilton, blow it, and Rubens will snag the title from him at the last race. 
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10-14-2009, 10:08 AM
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Dominated the first half of the season, and has "points raced" and kept it smart and safe for the last half. All this while running on an underfunded team that didn't exist until a month before the season.
Yea, he's deserving. -Charlie
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10-14-2009, 10:19 AM
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10-14-2009, 11:20 AM
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more than deserving. you said it as clear as possible hugo
"the guy won 6 of the first 7 races". The guy has played it smart this year. He got his huge lead, realized the others would catch up, so he played the points game instead of taking unnecessary risks. Pretty common stuff. I'd rather see him than Rubens any day...
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10-14-2009, 11:32 AM
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Very deserving. Not only did he win those 6 races but he absolutely crushed the competition. Of course, the guy is a cocky prick and every time he opens his mouth he talks as if he is Schumacher or some glorified Speed Racer hero. He is not humbled at all and that is something that i think most of the grid has, SPECIALLY his team mate, Rubens.
But back to the point and sorry for my rant on Button, but yes, he deserves it.
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10-14-2009, 11:49 AM
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Very deserving. He's been an underrated driver for some time. Go Button!
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10-14-2009, 12:29 PM
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i think the car had alot to do with those early, extremely dominant wins, that doesn't mean he's undeserving though. if vettel hadn't blown motors the championship would be closer, the car is part of it. is button the most talented? or even in the top 5? i don't think so personally.
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10-14-2009, 12:45 PM
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So the Brawn team probably doesn't have the captial to extensively develop the car throughout the season - can't knock Button for that. He is most certainly deserving in my opinion...past due at that. It's an awesome story considering where they were at before the 2009 season began.
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10-14-2009, 01:42 PM
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Button will win it this year but after that he will fade away. With the key players having learnt valuable lessons on development and interpretation, next year they will certainly bring their A games from race 1. Additionally I am sure (and this is just my opinion) that Lewis Hamilton clearly remembers that Vettel almost cost him all the marbles last year. Coupled with that and the fact that McLaren will push for maximum points in the last two races since they have their own little battle with Ferrari going on, Vettel will have his work further cut out for him. It belongs to Button this year and he deserves it. BTW why does his dad wear only those pink shirts and displays his sweaty armpits?
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10-14-2009, 04:02 PM
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He is an undeserving champ, and hopefully that point will be proven in the next 2 races. I'd like to see Barichello win it, but for that to happen he needs to first learn how to work a clutch. Vettel is still in the hunt too, in '07 Kimi was further behind than Vettel is now and still took it.
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10-14-2009, 05:29 PM
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 I mean, I'm in no way comparing Button to Spoon, but C'MON. Just because he had a good car, doesn't mean winning those first 6 out of 7 was cake-walk. He still had to qualify high, drive nearly flawless laps and manage to execute the strategy right. Anyone who says his "championship" is undeserving, let's see you drive THAT car around and beat everyone else on the grid first.  And I'm no Button fan.
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10-14-2009, 05:40 PM
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No... if he has the most points he is deserving.
If say instead of dominating the early part of the season the Brawn came alive at mid season and Button won the 6 of the 7 LAST races NO ONE would be questioning whether he was worthy, but in F1 apparently you're only as good as your last race.
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10-14-2009, 06:59 PM
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I think so, but I wouldn't say he had been points racing for the last half of the season, I don't really know how you could say that. He's been clearly out-driven by Barrichello, but he had the upper had for the first half of the season and that's what counts.
By your logic, was Hamilton a deserving champion last year after getting passed in the rain on the last lap of the last race by someone in a less dominant car?
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10-14-2009, 07:34 PM
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He's a great driver, always been with lousy teams that he couldn't show his true potential with. I think he deserves it, I've always liked him.
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10-14-2009, 10:51 PM
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10-14-2009, 10:57 PM
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Well.... I have a few thoughts on this! Jenson button has always been an underdog that has never had a solid ride! Granted... even this drivers title will not have been won in spectacular fashion... but he got the job done when it counted! He's played it smart and safe!
Brawn GP didn't know that their interpretation of the new barge board wouldn't be rejected by the tech stewards and the other MAJOR players were petitioning the FIA to ban it... Torro Rosso was also in the same boat. FORTUNATELY for them, the FIA ruled in their favor and the technical development ban stayed in place for the 1st half of the season. And even after this happened they were cut off from any technical support by Mercedes after signing into their customer engine program. I guess they were embarrassed that the customer engines were beating the works engines in the McLarens... BUT... Quoting Mario Andretti fron "Super Speedway" (IMAX Film) "it is possible to have the worlds best driver and the worlds best race car but not have a winning combination..." Being an F1 Champion is a culmination of several factors... Its not just Jenson. Its the Engineers, the team, the car, the strategy, and more importantly in a first year team, the lack of success from the BIG BUDGET teams! He deserves it!
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10-14-2009, 11:00 PM
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10-15-2009, 04:37 AM
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Button did win 6 of the first 7, however, take a closer look at those results. The safety car was a factor in Australia, IMO Button got a big boost from that, along with the incident that brought the safety car, he didn't have to deal with challenges from Vettel/Kubica since they were busy ripping each other apart. I remember back then, it seems so long ago, Kubica was running 3rd and challenging Vettel for 2nd, and the season looked so promising for BMW... But I digress. In Malaysia, of course, Button didn't have to run a whole race due to the rain. I confess to not having seen China, Bahrain, or Spain, but the Monaco Grand Prix is of course well known for being the fastest gridlock in sports. So yes, he out-qualified everyone, but he was assisted greatly by that. Of course, I realize he won 4 other races as well. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it, but he's not been terribly impressive. I also want to know why everyone talks about Brawn like they're some little upstart. I understand that they aren't a factory team, but I don't think money is the most important thing in F1. Money is important, and not throwing that money at useless things is important. But it seems to me that experience is far more important, so that one knows what to spend money on, and of course the Brawn team has, well, Ross Brawn. Virgin's website had an ad for Brawn GP, saying something like "riding rough on the big boys... Isn't that our job?" To me, there is no greater "big boy" than Ross Brawn, and any team he joins loses all claim to being an "upstart."
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10-15-2009, 08:50 AM
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Ehhh money is definately the most important thing...in ANY form of motorsports. From club racing in SCCA or Auto Cross to F1. Its all about the money. How that money is managed comes second and experience is right after.
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10-15-2009, 09:23 AM
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To me a true champ will fight no matter what. You would've never seen Senna or Mansell rest on their laurels and «play it safe» after building a somewhat comfortable lead early on. They both wanted to crush the competition, and often did.
These days, a driver playing it safe is viewed as a great «driver»?? Not in my book. You're there to race and win, not to make calculations and determine what's the lowest position you're allowed to finish in and still win. Bleh... I have a lot more respect for a guy who gives his all, yet crashes out and loses the title, than for another one who races like a wimp and is happy finishing in 6th place in the name of championship points.
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10-15-2009, 10:10 AM
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10-15-2009, 10:14 AM
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AKA Alonso vs. Hamilton 2007 and look what happened: Some dipshit from Finland won it.
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