Don't be fooled by the fan clutch. Just because the fan is spinning, that doesn't mean the water pump shaft is spinning.
Go ahead and bite. Plenty for everyone.
Hold on...your powers steering pulley is gone. May want to check the power steering pump.
Vehicles:
(Sold) 95' 525 - ZF320 5-speed swap, 3.46LSD rear, Raceland headers + straight pipe
(Current) 2012 Scion tC 6-spd M/T - slow
Shit.. ok, is it in the first picture that I posted?
Yes.
Vehicles:
(Sold) 95' 525 - ZF320 5-speed swap, 3.46LSD rear, Raceland headers + straight pipe
(Current) 2012 Scion tC 6-spd M/T - slow
A: ??
B: ??
C: ??Missing power steering pulley??
D: ??Water pump with missing pulley??
I'm doing my research and read through articles, Bentley manual, but I'm still confused as hell as to which is which.
A: Alternator belt tensioner pulley
B: Alternator belt idler pulley
C: Alternator pulley
D: Power steering pump pulley.
Vehicles:
(Sold) 95' 525 - ZF320 5-speed swap, 3.46LSD rear, Raceland headers + straight pipe
(Current) 2012 Scion tC 6-spd M/T - slow
Oh damn.. is the water pump pulley not even in the picture at all?
A:Water pump pulley
B:Alternator belt idler pulley
C:Alternator belt tensioner pulley
D:Power steering pump pulley(what is broken on your car)
Vehicles:
(Sold) 95' 525 - ZF320 5-speed swap, 3.46LSD rear, Raceland headers + straight pipe
(Current) 2012 Scion tC 6-spd M/T - slow
Hey russiankid,
Thank you so much for your help.
When I bought the car, the steering was always pretty damn stiff. I thought old bimmers drove like that, but I guess that was a sign.
Last edited by jrcho88; 09-07-2009 at 09:31 PM.
My bet is that the PS pump seized and thus broke the belt. Either had the wrong fluid in it or was low/empty.
This is starting to make sense now.
Just went out with a flashlight and looked again.
Waterpump and pulley is still there. I've been looking at the wrong thing all along.
The only missing pulley is from the power steering pump assembly.
Now, I need to go cancel my previous order and order this:
- Serpentine belt Alt+W/P
- Serpentine belt A/C
- Power steering pulley (http://www.bmwpartsonly.com/OEM-Part...ng-Pulley.html)
- ATF to fill the power steering fluid chamber
Last edited by jrcho88; 09-07-2009 at 09:55 PM.
your going to need a power steering pump.. not just a pully. i bet if you try to spin the power steering pump it wont spin it should.
what ever you do.. dont take it to a shop you can do it your self and save alot of money, a shop will charge alot of money for parts and then labor ontop of that. It might take you awile to do it and you will get dirty but it will be worth it in the end.
E30 Turbo 2.8L - 60ft - 1.70 :: 1/8th - 6.99 :: MPH - 105.47 :: 1/4 - 10.66 :: MPH - 132.53
Daily E36 M3 - 60ft - 1.790 :: 1/8th - 8.20 :: MPH - 84.68 :: 1/4 - 12.81 :: MPH - 107.05
*RIP* E36 M3 - 60ft - 1.944 :: 1/8th - 8.64 :: MPH - 80.00 :: 1/4 - 13.55 :: MPH - 99.95
Cool2seat's TTstg1 E36 M3 - 60ft - 2.123 :: 1/8th - 8.44 :: MPH - 87.71 :: 1/4 - 12.94 :: MPH - 107.95
When I spin the triangular disc part with the bolts exposed, it spins fine without any hesitation.
I also checked the power steering fluid level. I'd say its about 3 inches lower than the max rim line, so it's not 100% full, but its not exactly empty either.
Would I still need a new power steering pump in this case?
In the meantime,
I've ordered the power steering pulley and a serpentine belt.
It doesn't initially appear that I need a new power steering pump as well, but we'll see! I'll be everybody posted.
Last edited by jrcho88; 09-08-2009 at 01:16 PM.
make sure everything that the belt goes around spins you should be able to spin every thing exept the crank pully witch is directly under the water pump at the bottem of the motor that wont spin by hand.. but everything els should.
E30 Turbo 2.8L - 60ft - 1.70 :: 1/8th - 6.99 :: MPH - 105.47 :: 1/4 - 10.66 :: MPH - 132.53
Daily E36 M3 - 60ft - 1.790 :: 1/8th - 8.20 :: MPH - 84.68 :: 1/4 - 12.81 :: MPH - 107.05
*RIP* E36 M3 - 60ft - 1.944 :: 1/8th - 8.64 :: MPH - 80.00 :: 1/4 - 13.55 :: MPH - 99.95
Cool2seat's TTstg1 E36 M3 - 60ft - 2.123 :: 1/8th - 8.44 :: MPH - 87.71 :: 1/4 - 12.94 :: MPH - 107.95
Hey. HEY! There's nothing wrong with Oxfordgrun.
This still isn't adding up. As Ben said, something locked solid and sheared that belt. I wouldn't buy a PS pump right off the bat, just due to the cost, but I would be very fastidious about checking everything on that beltpath before I cranked the engine again.
And don't get frustrated, the only way to learn is to jump in there! These guys are great, if a bit grouchy at times.
Last edited by Sneezy; 09-08-2009 at 02:32 PM.
Now that you have the belt off, spin all the pulleys and see if there is one that doesn't spin or is hard to spin. These includes all the idler pulleys.
+1 Things always fail for a reason. Unless someone stuck a crowbar in there one of your "spinners" caused the failure and will do it again. If your PS felt bad before this happened then that would be my first bet.
I like green and being a grouch. Right of passage at my age
Last edited by zubbie; 09-09-2009 at 03:37 PM.
Gotcha. I'm waiting until Friday for the parts anyway. Yes, I did say the PS felt a little bit stiff, but my 2 previous cars were '94 Ford Taurus & '05 Lexus ES330 which supposedly have feather-light steering, so it could mean nothing for all we know.
To do list once I get home:
A) Check all the pulleys that the drivebelt is supposed to go around. Everything should spin sans the crank pulley (directly underneath the water pump).
B) Check power steering fluid level and quality.
C) Double check the pulleys
PS. I believe the Bentley manual specifies a tension or torque rating for the drivebelt to be tightened to. How does one exactly measure how tightly the drivebelt is supposed to be?
Just my $.02, but this is the best example of users helping out somebody new that Ive seen in a long time. Kudos to the E34 crowd.
1993 Euro 525ixT (left behind in Germany
Just checked everything.
- All pulleys that would be attached to the drivebelt spin very well (both directions)
- Power steering fluid is a bit on the low side and seems dirty.
- I need a 8mm socket + ratchet to loosen/tighten the tensioner pulley, so I need to make a trip to lowe's to pick that up. Perhaps I should pick up some Dexron III while I'm there to fill up the power steering fluid reservoir.
UPDATE:
The pulley + belt was delivered today. I took off the remnants of the old pulley, put the new one on. It started raining in the middle of the job, so I didn't put the serpentine belt on yet.
Now, I would need to loosen/tighten the tensioner, but the bolt on the tensioner is too big for ones in my ratchet/socket set. I think its a 15mm (19/32") bolt... can anybody confirm?
Also, do I need to remove the A/C drivebelt to put the Alt/WP/PS drivebelt on?
I'm almost done! Thanks so much guys for helping this noob along the way. The E34 community is almost as nice as the cars themselves
Last edited by jrcho88; 09-11-2009 at 10:14 PM.
Check the cap on the hydraulic reservor to make sure it's not CHS 7.1 or 11. Putting ATF will really screw up the hydraulic system on the car. I know my 93 is CHS 11 and not ATF.
You need to pry out the plastic covers to the tensioner idler wheels and fit a socket with a hex key (can't remember the size) to lossen the tension on the a/c belt to remove it. You do the same for the serpentine belt, remove the plastic cover and insert a hex socket in there to relieve the tensiob on the belt so that you can install the belt. This is all shown in the Bentley manual. G.L.
Last edited by upallnight; 09-11-2009 at 10:25 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Yeah, the reservoir cap says it is ATF-only, so I think I'll be good putting synthetic ATF in there. To drain it, I was going to take a syringe and get as much old fluid out of the reservoir as possible, and refill with the synthetic ATF.
So as for the serpentine belt (the belt is off already... because it sheared into 2 pieces) I would put the new belt on, route it correctly, and then turn the tensioner so that the belt is nice and taught around the pulleys?
PS. I think I have the spring tensioner, not the hydraulic tensioner, which means I need a 15mm hex socket to loosen the tension. Looks like another trip to Lowe's in the morning!
Last edited by jrcho88; 09-11-2009 at 11:26 PM.
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