More Parts have arrived for the water/meth kit

[DIRT11]

This is what was set up when I got the car into my possession. Which had a few leaks. So I had Jeff Howerton from Howerton Engineering make me a nice tank set up and it arrived here at the house.Tank fitted in place in the trunk Tank with level fitted no leaks It gets hot in the engine bay , melted Aquamist feed line a bit underneath this wrap So this DEI product is on it's way from Summitt racing and this for under the car Then the wiring is a mess ,electrical tape everywhere Then the mess in the trunk Then the way the Feed line from the Aquamist reservoir to the engine bed The new floor mat for the trunk will be here next week ( I hope ) as well all the other parts and then the final install will happen.....The before and after pictures will be here for you to see. NOW I have a Drum of M1 on it's way and a drum of Distilled water on it's way. SO all you experienced chemical engineers out there , what volume of meth do I use to what volume of distilled water to get an actually 50-50 mixture as I know the specific gravities of the two are different. I have been instructed by Mr. X tuner extraordinaire to not raise the AFR when adding the system and work on the formula until no afr changes happen as to not run the system richer.... I might get the tubing all run this week end as I am replacing it all from the High Speed Valve back to the trunk , pain in the rear front left tire has to come off as well as the lining and the under panels all come off. I did find a good source for the M1 in a barrel and distilled water in bulk as well... Enough said, off to sleep I go....

[Sniz]

very nice stuff, i'm diggin the Howerton tanks......also wondering about the mix volums, i'm sure you can find a chart somewhere??

[HiTheNameIsBj]

Originally Posted by DIRT11

SO all you experienced chemical engineers out there , what volume of meth do I use to what volume of distilled water to get an actually 50-50 mixture as I know the specific gravities of the two are different. I have been instructed by Mr. X tuner extraordinaire to not raise the AFR when adding the system and work on the formula until no afr changes happen as to not run the system richer

Water doesn't really have a specific gravity, as specific gravity is a measurement of an object's density in relation to water. The specific gravity of M1 is .795 @ 60°F, multiply .795 by 204(number of liters in your drum) and you get 162.18L. This means you want to mix 204L of M1 with 162.18L of water for a 50/50 mixture by weight. .18L is equal to 6oz, so just do 162L and add 6oz. Should be fun juggling that much fluid around. Should be alot easier with an accurate scale with tare feature. As far as your afr goes, water won't raise it, so the ratio of water to meth won't affect it. Just watch your gauges untill your afr richens.

[DIRT11]

Originally Posted by HiTheNameIsBj

Water doesn't really have a specific gravity, as specific gravity is a measurement of an object's density in relation to water. The specific gravity of M1 is .795 @ 60°F, multiply .795 by 204(number of liters in your drum) and you get 162.18L. This means you want to mix 204L of M1 with 162.18L of water for a 50/50 mixture by weight. .18L is equal to 6oz, so just do 162L and add 6oz. Should be fun juggling that much fluid around. Should be alot easier with an accurate scale with tare feature. As far as your afr goes, water won't raise it, so the ratio of water to meth won't affect it. Just watch your gauges untill your afr richens.

Thanks for the math as I read plenty of articles on the proportions and it got seriously complicated and I knew someone here would have a simpler explanation as I knew that water weighed approximately 8.33 pounds / gallon and the methanol approximately 6.59 pounds / gallon at 60 degrees Fahrenheit. Then I read that the specific density of water at 4 degrees Celsius was the base line of specific gravity of 1. But , others use 60 Degrees Fahrenheit as the temperature for the base line of water as well , so now I got real confused and thought I would ask .... Chemistry and Physics were not my strong point in school. I will read further and I have access to a scale in a stable environment to start the mixture process.That is after I get the system up and running first of course.

Originally Posted by Sniz

very nice stuff, i'm diggin the Howerton tanks......also wondering about the mix volums, i'm sure you can find a chart somewhere??

The tanks , 2 one gallon tanks hooked together will be great I think , as conjoined the way they are and being they are tall with a small footprint. The tank will be more efficient in being able to use all of the water / meth mixture in the tank with out the fear of surging as it acts like a baffled tank system such as I used to build for boats.Less chance of inertia sending the liquid out of reach of the outlet to the pump when you are under power which when I thought about it for awhile made sense. The smaller the footprint of the tank the less sloshing capabilities of the water/meth to be effecting the outlet to the pump. http://www.howertonengineering.com/tanks.htm Far more efficient than the tank in the car before with the large footprint and no leaks now. I have to go exercise......The cost as well was very fair.......

[BigM62]

I just use the windshield washer location for my WI (next to windshild on E34). When windshild gets dirty, I pull into a gas station.

[DIRT11]

Originally Posted by BigM62

I just use the windshield washer location for my WI (next to windshild on E34). When windshild gets dirty, I pull into a gas station.

When they originally , ESS KIT , put the SC blower in place that cut the one windshield reservoir out of the picture and I have a small one now. Less than a quart I guess but , that would of been an option for sure. I , to be honest with you , never ever had a car with this application ( water / Meth ) used to cool the IATs so I have no idea how much of the mixture will be consumed when in operation. I also figured since I am going 50-50 that there is no worry about the Methanol being combustible ( as it was before using 100% Meth ) and left the area , above the battery and fuses , the location of the reservoir and used vented caps on both tanks as that will allow the two tanks to equalize in pressure.I do have two separate caps that are not vented so when I need to access under the reservoir I can switch the caps out and no leaking from the caps..... I am still waiting on bits and pieces to get this project done so I am going for a drive to get the car rinsed off at the touchless car wash in town.....

[hoyabob2003]

I personally wouldn't want to handle pure meth. Its highly flammable and highly toxic. I just buy boost juice from jegs. 9 dollar shipping. 49% meth pre mixed for you.

[DIRT11]

I am not worried about the methanol as a caustic chemical and actually it cuts the cost of the Water / Meth considerably. I have a business partner that still owns a boat repair facility and that is where the Methanol will be stored in the drum , next to the toluene , next to the methyl alcohol , next to the drum of west system epoxy etc... I built boats for years and was around every poison chemists could create and if you wear the proper garb it is not a problem. I promise I will be very careful and actually the mixing shall occur at the local community college.

[TommyX®]

Very nice Dave!

Howerton makes this all inclusive setup. Is this what yours is going to end up looking like?

How are you feeling? If you're messing with the car I'm guessing, and hoping, much better.

[DIRT11]

Originally Posted by TommyX®

Very nice Dave!

Howerton makes this all inclusive setup. Is this what yours is going to end up looking like?

How are you feeling? If you're messing with the car I'm guessing, and hoping, much better.

No Jeff had the bracket laying around after I and he figured out what was best to get me up and running.The new pump will fit next to the accusump reservoir still. I am running all new lines as there was a UNION under the car in the middle of the run from the pump to the high flow valve and I am not going to take a chance , so a new line from the pump outlet to the engine bay...... I am feeling better , lots more energy but , I still have to be careful as I jacked the car up two days ago to start pulling all the panels apart underneath the car and when I got down there I got sicker than hell and thought I was going to get sick and had vertigo real bad and got this killer headache. Seven weeks off of the poison and I am off the SSRI Anti Depressant ( the word block will not let me spell the actual name of the drug ? See ****** ) and just came down to a half of a milligram of the Xanax last week and my wife thinks it could be that I am showing signs of with draws from the benzodiazepine , plus the Ribavirin actually will be in my system until next January.BUT , I want to be out doing things as I have heard the recovery time from all the poison is best when one is proactive in exercise and just being up and around rather than the slug on a couch I was for seven months... Thanks for asking.... I will of course have pictures documenting the whole affair...... Jeff was a great deal of help actually.....

[SiGmA]

That does sound a bit like a benzo withdrawal. I feel you're going the right way about over coming it. Just don't push yourself too hard, I'm sure you can obviously feel when you can.

I'm looking forward to this last stage David, and then some sweet videos & pictures That one on the grass is pretty.

[DIRT11]

Originally Posted by SiGmA

That does sound a bit like a benzo withdrawal. I feel you're going the right way about over coming it. Just don't push yourself too hard, I'm sure you can obviously feel when you can.

I'm looking forward to this last stage David, and then some sweet videos & pictures That one on the grass is pretty.

I am trying to watch myself and not over extend like I did the other day. All the pieces and parts for the Aquamist will be here this week coming up. Then the install will begin. George even offered to help with the parts and panel in the trunk..... ..... Off to bed I go , 4:30 am is really early I am finding out.....

I messed around with some pictures of the Aquamist system as I found the set up when the car was returned August 1 , 2009....... I had to take a break from my quarterly tax crap that I am trying to fill out.... http://s230.photobucket.com/albums/e...t=9cf2a5c6.pbr I will have the after pictures as well in a week or so if I am lucky......

[Maciej]

You should hire me to take some pics, since the car won't be driven too much because of all that rain you'll be getting

Glad to see all of the botched parts being fixed up now we need a 60-130!

[DIRT11]

Originally Posted by Maciej

You should hire me to take some pics, since the car won't be driven too much because of all that rain you'll be getting
now we need a 60-130!

We are getting hammered for a non tropical storm..... The car is high and dry in it's own garage . More pictures when I get more parts installed.... I will get you some day to do some more shots of the car......

[Maciej]

Sounds good to me, eventually I'm sure I'll either be making a trip down to FL or flying down there and driving back up, so I'll definitely be getting in touch with you to meet up

[DIRT11]

I did not receive the parts from the BMW dealership nor did I receive all the other parts so this week was kind of a wash as far as the Water / Meth goes but , I did notice that my oil level in the car was vacillating up and down by 3/4 of a liter ( it would register full and then 3/4s of a liter over full) and so I am pulling the accusump system apart as well to check it out , so I am dumping the oil today after I go for a short easy drive.( I just pumped 1 liter of oil out of the engine , now it reads 1/4 of a liter shy of the full mark )Hopefully next week the rest of the parts will show up.....

FED-X arrives with the BMW parts today on a Saturday.As it has been true to this car they sent the wrong piece for the trunk.....Plus ICS does not look like they are going to come to the window on the parts to correct the Aquamist nor the panels in the trunk that got trashed as they have not contacted me since George emailed me that email about taking care of the parts, oh well....

[IMPORTEDCARS]

Originally Posted by DIRT11

I did not receive the parts from the BMW dealership nor did I receive all the other parts so this week was kind of a wash as far as the Water / Meth goes but , I did notice that my oil level in the car was vacillating up and down by 3/4 of a liter ( it would register full and then 3/4s of a liter over full) and so I am pulling the accusump system apart as well to check it out , so I am dumping the oil today after I go for a short easy drive.( I just pumped 1 liter of oil out of the engine , now it reads 1/4 of a liter shy of the full mark )Hopefully next week the rest of the parts will show up.....

FED-X arrives with the BMW parts today on a Saturday.As it has been true to this car they sent the wrong piece for the trunk.....Plus ICS does not look like they are going to come to the window on the parts to correct the Aquamist nor the panels in the trunk that got trashed as they have not contacted me since George emailed me that email about taking care of the parts, oh well....

Wrong again David.... I am email away not a Diary on the forum!

-G

[HiTheNameIsBj]

Originally Posted by DIRT11

I did not receive the parts from the BMW dealership nor did I receive all the other parts so this week was kind of a wash as far as the Water / Meth goes but , I did notice that my oil level in the car was vacillating up and down by 3/4 of a liter ( it would register full and then 3/4s of a liter over full) and so I am pulling the accusump system apart as well to check it out , so I am dumping the oil today after I go for a short easy drive.( I just pumped 1 liter of oil out of the engine , now it reads 1/4 of a liter shy of the full mark )Hopefully next week the rest of the parts will show up.....

What type of valve are you using for the accusump?

[DIRT11]

Originally Posted by HiTheNameIsBj

What type of valve are you using for the accusump?

I only use the system as a pre-oiler. Unfortunately the switch for the system was not tied into the ignition and I left the switch on the other day and I went to check the oil before starting the car and the car engine was flooded with oil. Ever since then the amount of oil has been inconsistent at the volume left in the engine.So today a short drive with the wife and then all the oil is going to be dumped and the system is coming apart. For some reason there is no pressure relief valve on the reservoir it's self and Canton Racing is mailing me one. Then when the New Trunk Mat gets here the whole trunk , Aquamist system and the accusump system will be put back into the car in a week or two....
24-270 - ACCUSUMP ELECTRIC VALVE KIT (24-270)

Electric Accusump Valve kit provides a convenient way of operating the Accusump. They are useful when the accumulator is mounted in a hard to access location. When wired directly into the ignition switch the Accusump can be operated automatically to provide pre-oiling. The kit comes with the electric valve which has 1/2" N.P.T. female threads, a 1/2" N.P.T. pipe nipple, a toggle switch, a length of wire, terminals and installation instructions. Recommended for use in street and pre-oiling applications only. For the convenience of an electric valve in racing applications see our EPC electric valve listed below.

Originally Posted by IMPORTEDCARS

Wrong again David.... I am email away not a Diary on the forum!

-G

Thanks for PMing me George Talk to you Monday morning. No Money Order Yet

[s52e368]

where in NC are you ?

[DIRT11]

Originally Posted by s52e368

where in NC are you ?

The Crystal Coast.

The replacement parts arrived from BMW just now I am just missing the heat shield from DEI.The parts to replace the panels in the trunk with their fasteners. I will have it together all the way to the engine this weekend ( I'm dreaming ) and have pictures of after I get finished..... All I got completed was running the 6mm Aquamist line through the 1/4" vacuum hose. There are a lot of abrasive edges as well as the AN stainless steel braided lines and since I am running a new single line ( No Unions under the car ) from the trunk mounted reservoir tank to the High Flow Valve in the engine bed I thought it better to protect the aquamist line from any possibility to be harmed. I know Active uses 1/4" braided line for their water/Meth applications , this cost me .50 $ a foot and a little grease....... Forgot to add this picture before I went sailing....