Traction. I need some.

[Proctor750]

I need to run some meaty tires and after rolling my fenders and still not fitting a wide enough tire I think I need a fender flare for the rears. I don't want some nasty or expensive shit, I just wanted maybe a curved piece of ABS with rivets or something to hold it to the body after cutting the stock flare out.
Any ideas of where or how I can get my hands on something cheap so I can fit wider tires?

A rough example of what I'm talking about is that isuzu vehicross:


notice the rivets and the plastic. Not a great example, but I want mine done the same way, but to fit my car and help with tire clearance.

Any help would be appreciated.

[rennteknik]

search for carbon fiber 240sx fender flares..

edit...

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum....php?t=1190497

[ParadigmGuy]

Get some better tires, roll your fenders, and ensure that your wheels are the correct offset. If I had more traction than I do now I would be breaking driveline parts daily.

[zak]

How much power are you making?

I am at somewhere in the neighborhood of ~350wheel, and I am running 255 all season tires on the rear. I still get some wheelspin through second, but no loss of traction in 3rd.

[BadBoostedBmwM3]

How much power are you making?

I am at somewhere in the neighborhood of ~350wheel, and I am running 255 all season tires on the rear. I still get some wheelspin through second, but no loss of traction in 3rd.

The OP has a pt67 turbo!! So, we figure someway upwards of 450+rwhp.

And for you, at 350whp with the right tires you can have traction in second gear. I make 353rwhp and have 245 PS2's on rear with complete traction in second gear.

[MrBlonde]

Do not bolt that ugly shit on your BMW under any circumstances!

[ZHP]

with the right tires you can have traction in second gear. I make 353rwhp and have 245 PS2's on rear with complete traction in second gear.

Tire selection makes a huge difference... and those PS2s are pretty sticky for a street tire. I miss my PS2s.

I recently decided to experiment with a set of Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetrics, great reviews and a little better price but nowhere near the grip of the PS2s. Perhaps the Goodyears will grip better once ambient temps reach 90 - 100. Even at the 75-80 degree temps we've had lately I find myself breaking traction more than I ever did with the PS2s during the winter with temps in the 50s.

I saw a reference in the press to Michelin's forthcoming PS3, can't wait to see what they've done with this tire.

[Shuasha]

All seasons are not a sticky tire by any means.. they're not even good winter tires.

Get real summer rubber and you'll be much happier.

[ZHP]

All seasons are not a sticky tire by any means.. they're not even good winter tires.

Get real summer rubber and you'll be much happier.

But even then, not all summer rubber is created equal (hence my last post).

[Shuasha]

But even then, not all summer rubber is created equal (hence my last post).

True.. Direzza Star Specs are way up on that list now.

[SiGmA]

I really really enjoy my KDW2's, I can put down 325whp (plus a bit, I was running 19psi vs the dyno'd psi of 15) without any loss of traction. 255/35-18.

[teamsoy]

Talk to vorshlag about the flares, iirc they had a few sets of flares left that they were selling.

[BMWManiac]

Dude....you have traction issues because you have some bald ass 235/45 tires! Get yourself some new tires.....also, 1st gear, no matter what tire, is going to be pretty much useless anyways. I did 15 psi with no traction issues in 2nd gear with my KDW2 tires 255/35R18.....

[///M3Augy]

Talk to vorshlag about the flares, iirc they had a few sets of flares left that they were selling.

Those were the 240sx flares, just an FYI.

[SHARKBITEATTACK]

Have you seen this http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=969366

[lowside67]

Do not bolt that ugly shit on your BMW under any circumstances!

OUCH!

My old 328 with moulded flares (after the carbon flares are removed):

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=969366

My old 328 with the RaceonUSA Carbon flares and 285-30-18 on 18x10s:



EDIT: I see the poster before me found my thread haha, sorry for the repost.

[BadBoostedBmwM3]

Tire selection makes a huge difference... and those PS2s are pretty sticky for a street tire. I miss my PS2s.

I recently decided to experiment with a set of Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetrics, great reviews and a little better price but nowhere near the grip of the PS2s. Perhaps the Goodyears will grip better once ambient temps reach 90 - 100. Even at the 75-80 degree temps we've had lately I find myself breaking traction more than I ever did with the PS2s during the winter with temps in the 50s.

I saw a reference in the press to Michelin's forthcoming PS3, can't wait to see what they've done with this tire.

Yep, you are right and I love my PS2s. I also liked my KDW2 too, BUT I hated the horrible noise they would make once they were wearing down!

[ParadigmGuy]

I'm not a fan of my KDW2s at all. I probably won't even keep them until they're worn before I switch back to Toyo T1Rs.

[Formula E]

lol at the UFO in the thread.

[Proctor750]

OUCH!

My old 328 with moulded flares (after the carbon flares are removed):

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=969366

My old 328 with the RaceonUSA Carbon flares and 285-30-18 on 18x10s:



EDIT: I see the poster before me found my thread haha, sorry for the repost.

YES!! thank you. That is exactly what I'm talking about. I have those Dforce LTW 5's in 9" as well. What tire are you running back there, I would love some 300's

I have 255's all around now, but yes they are in dire need of replacement. I'm burning out at 110.

Where did you get the carbon flares. I think I will do what you did and max roll the fenders and cover them up with those flares until I can afford to mold in some 330 sedan fenders. I like your MO.

[SiGmA]

I'm not a fan of my KDW2s at all. I probably won't even keep them until they're worn before I switch back to Toyo T1Rs.

Want to give a good comparison in handling? These are the only sticky tires I've driven a hard on a LOT...

[ParadigmGuy]

YES!! thank you. That is exactly what I'm talking about. I have those Dforce LTW 5's in 9" as well. What tire are you running back there, I would love some 300's

I have 255's all around now, but yes they are in dire need of replacement. I'm burning out at 110.

Where did you get the carbon flares. I think I will do what you did and max roll the fenders and cover them up with those flares until I can afford to mold in some 330 sedan fenders. I like your MO.

You should get better tires. I get enough traction on street tires to break driveshafts (reinforced stock). I can spin the tires through 120 until I shift into 4th, but that's also accelerating very quickly.

You're running a T67 right? How much boost? You most likely don't need wider tires, you need better tires.

Want to give a good comparison in handling? These are the only sticky tires I've driven a hard on a LOT...

The KDW2's don't seem to give me much feedback in turns. It seems like I have traction, but when pushed the back end goes from having traction to having no traction with no warning. There doesn't seem to be any in between, and I get no feedback from them compared to the Toyos.

With the Toyos it was easy to feel the back end, it wasn't a condition of having traction and then no traction when pushed. They give aural feedback and they begin to slip before just letting go completely.

I'm at the point now where I won't even take turns quickly with these tires. It sucks having a good handling car that I'm afraid to push in the turns.

For comparison - my KDW2s are 265/35/18s in the rear and 235/40/18s up front. My Toyos were 255/35/18s and 235/40/18s.

I can take turns faster in my NA M3 (H&R lowering springs and Bilsteins) with Kumho MXs in 275/35/18's and 225/40/18s than in my turbo M3 (Tein SS Coilovers) with the KDW2s.

[Proctor750]

You should get better tires. I get enough traction on street tires to break driveshafts (reinforced stock). I can spin the tires through 120 until I shift into 4th, but that's also accelerating very quickly.

You're running a T67 right? How much boost? You most likely don't need wider tires, you need better tires.


The KDW2's don't seem to give me much feedback in turns. It seems like I have traction, but when pushed the back end goes from having traction to having no traction with no warning. There doesn't seem to be any in between, and I get no feedback from them compared to the Toyos.

With the Toyos it was easy to feel the back end, it wasn't a condition of having traction and then no traction when pushed. They give aural feedback and they begin to slip before just letting go completely.

I'm at the point now where I won't even take turns quickly with these tires. It sucks having a good handling car that I'm afraid to push in the turns.

For comparison - my KDW2s are 265/35/18s in the rear and 235/40/18s up front. My Toyos were 255/35/18s and 235/40/18s.

I can take turns faster in my NA M3 (H&R lowering springs and Bilsteins) with Kumho MXs in 275/35/18's and 225/40/18s than in my turbo M3 (Tein SS Coilovers) with the KDW2s.

Sounds like your torqe curve is soo abrubt that you can't really throttle out of turns confidently. I know the feeling.
My problem is the Dforce wheels. They are 17' (I prefer 17's due to the feel) weigh 16.8 lbs, and are aluminum. Running a sidewall less than 40 on the street will destroy them. Believe my I already found that out.
So what tire combo would you suggest if I want to have hands down excellent grip, not just straight line, I'm talking full on throttle out of an apex and not worrying about drifting grip.
I feel that with a 305 rear and 285 front tire with those flares to make it possible, I won't give up my exit speed and grip with the added power from the T4/T67.
Keep in mind I don't have the budget for some ps2's etc. I'm sure if I had some cups, this wouldn't be an issue, but with a slightly less expensive ultra high I would imagine going wider will help. Idk

[lowside67]

A 305 is going to be an epic fail on a 9" wide wheel. It is also going to take a lot more work than just rolling the crap out of the back to fit a tire that wide with any reasonable traction. To do the rears on these cars is going to require welding capability and some serious metalworking tools to cut through what is on there now. Not an easy project.

[Proctor750]

Where can I find the 240 flares? Someone in another thread said they "Sort of Fit"?