674RWHP Viper vs Evo

[carrrnuttt]

I just thought this would be an eye-opening video to share:

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For the sake of bf.c rules, please note that the 318 flew by both cars OFF ROAD to the left...

[S8ER01Z]

WOW..just knowing how nasty a Viper is at speed...WOW

[rt turbo]

doesnt surprise me one bit. there are probably more 10 second evos thn vipers in the us.

[kosehhamashoon]

Meh, 10 second Evos are a dime a dozen in D.C. Same with the STi. Those cars are just all the place, who cares. Most of them are low 11 second cars.

Show me a 8 second street Evo, then I'll be impressed.

[m3chaser]

Very nice! That evo was rotten!

[Rez90]

Originally Posted by kosehhamashoon

Meh, 10 second Evos are a dime a dozen in D.C. Same with the STi. Those cars are just all the place, who cares. Most of them are low 11 second cars.

Show me a 8 second street Evo, then I'll be impressed.

Show anyone any 8 second street car in person.......and anyone will be impressed.


Being that my evo was set up very similar to that of the evo in the video (2.3 GT35r (61mm), 35psi on meth) which made 620whp/553lb feet.

and i'm now driving a SC'd 620whp Corvette (or "American piece of shit") as many of you call it.

I think there is something wrong or incorrect with one of the two cars in the video.

Either the evo is running WAY more boost than 30psi OR something is wrong with the viper because the evo didn't just beat the viper in the video, it RAN from it.

My vette is faster on the highway than my evo used to be.....and theoretically the viper in the video is faster than my vette.

And an evo on a 63mm turbo running 30psi on a 2.4 wouldn't make more than an estimated 650-700whp tops.

If the viper really does make 674whp then the evo in the vid had to be making at least 100whp more.....which cannot be done on 30psi on a 63mm.

I'm not doubting the great kill in the video. But something doesn't ad up.

just my .02

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by kosehhamashoon

Show me a 8 second street Evo, then I'll be impressed.

Fine:

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^ 784AWHP.

You know nothing, but act like you do. In order to pull an already 10-second-capable car in the Viper like that, the Evo would have to be at least 750AWHP, or at least in the mid 9's.

Considering there are a number of street-legal 800+AWHP (up to 1000+AWHP) Evos running around the country, I can guarantee you that there are more than a few 8-second Evos around.

[kosehhamashoon]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

Fine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuT3P5Sb2us

^ 784AWHP.

You know nothing, but act like you do. In order to pull an already 10-second-capable car in the Viper like that, the Evo would have to be at least 750AWHP, or at least in the mid 9's.

Considering there are a number of street-legal 800+AWHP (up to 1000+AWHP) Evos running around the country, I can guarantee you that there are more than a few 8-second Evos around.

You sound like you haven't been laid in months ... pathetic.

Calm down, it's a car forum.

Oh really? Quite a few, eh? Then explain this gentleman's post below ...

Originally Posted by Rez90

Show anyone any 8 second street car in person.......and anyone will be impressed.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by Rez90

I think there is something wrong or incorrect with one of the two cars in the video.

It's all legit. I know the person who filmed/edited the video from another board.

[Armo95]

I need to see a full list of mods on the Evo to believe it. To run away from a Viper like that? Come on ..

[Rez90]

I'm not trying to get into a bitching war.

I'm just saying ANY 8 second true street car is very hard to come by.

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

It's all legit. I know the person who filmed/edited the video from another board.

I hear ya. And i believe the race.......hell i saw it with my own eyes. I am just questioning something with either one of the setups.

It just doesn't make sense that an evo with that setup would yield those results against a viper making near 700whp.

If someone asked me what a 2.4 liter evo with a 63mm turbo would make on the dyno at 30psi on pump and meth my answer along with many others who have a lot experience with evos would be roughly between 600 and 650whp.

Either way, not enough to run from a viper on the highway with more power on the ground.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by kosehhamashoon

You sound like you haven't been laid in months ... pathetic.

That's the difference between me and you. I commented on an observation I made, based on your own words. You make a childish statement, because your intellect could not come up with a better response, and your BMW-driven ego couldn't handle being belittled, which is exactly what you were doing to the Evo in question.

If that had been a BMW of some sort, you'd have been wiping the jizz off your monitor.

Originally Posted by kosehhamashoon

Oh really? Quite a few, eh? Then explain this gentleman's post below ...

It's all about setup and driving. There are at least 2 street-driven Evos on record hitting the 8's that I know of, but there are a few that carry more power than even the 8-second Evos have, but are still in the 9's. The point is, there are quite a few that at least have the power to make it into the 8's without ever doing anything else to their motors.

Also, "quite a few" is a relative term. I was using that relative to street-driven BMWs in the 8's, since you are acting so unimpressed, Mr. Mighty M3 Driver. Do YOU know of any [street-driven BMWs in the 8's] in the US?

[kosehhamashoon]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

That's the difference between me and you. I commented on an observation I made, based on your own words. You make a childish statement, because your intellect could not come up with a better response, and your BMW-driven ego couldn't handle being belittled, which is exactly what you were doing to the Evo in question.

If that had been a BMW of some sort, you'd have been wiping the jizz off your monitor.



It's all about setup and driving. There are at least 2 street-driven Evos on record hitting the 8's that I know of, but there are a few that carry more power than even the 8-second Evos have, but are still in the 9's. The point is, there are quite a few that at least have the power to make it into the 8's without ever doing anything else to their motors.

Also, "quite a few" is a relative term. I was using that relative to street-driven BMWs in the 8's, since you are acting so unimpressed, Mr. Mighty M3 Driver. Do YOU know of any [street-driven BMWs in the 8's] in the US?

I rest my case. refer to my previous post.

get laid, dude. what are you, 18?

for the record, I own a mid 10 second Supra. so you can take your bmw ego talk and shove it.

[Armo95]

Alright, cut the pissing contest and stay on-topic.

To pull a 700rwhp Viper like that from a pull at that speed, you're going to need A LOT of work.

[carrrnuttt]

For reference, here's a 10-second Camaro, vs a 700AWHP Evo:

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EDIT: Comments from the Evo owner:

I probably should also mention that when I beat him I was on 93 octane at 30psi and 600awhp the way I drive it to work every day, instead of Q16 @ 40psi and 700awhp and better tires.

I can't find the current video but here's the old one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNX1agKnVoY

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/M...Evo_195437.htm

The ^ YouTube video show's a turbo Formula running a 9.3. The StreetFire video shows him running perfectly even with that Formula in the same street races on his street setup.

Originally Posted by kosehhamashoon

get laid, dude. what are you, 18?

For the record, I don't get laid.

















I'm married.

Originally Posted by kosehhamashoon

for the record, I own a mid 10 second Supra. so you can take your bmw ego talk and shove it.

Ahh. I get it now. THAT's the part of your ego you're stroking. You can't handle that an itty-bitty 4 will likely walk your Supra.

'Tis ok. Maybe you should take your own advice.

[e30polak]

Evo IXs are monsters, period! The new ones are ugly and can suck on a fat nut.

Very impressive Evos!

My 3 favorite e30s. If the twin-turbo one was setup up for drag racing/traction, it would destroy those Evos!

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Here's an 8 second e34:

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7 second e36:

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[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by e30polak

My 3 favorite e30s. If the twin-turbo one was setup up for drag racing/traction, it would destroy those Evos!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKQc5CpHWik

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUomu9EqBkc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTaESptmOiY

Here's an 8 second e34:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kcx6...eature=related

7 second e36:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FBS3_UK11M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYJjL...eature=related

Great vids, and I know you're not joining in the pissing contest yourself, but I'd like to point out that I see only 2 that are likely in the US, and only one of them looks like it might be street-legal.

And we're just talking about one model here (Evo). If we start bringing in all the other Mitsu models and their close cousins to bear (the DSM family), it gets even worse.

[DavidsM3]

I call driver fail on the viper when going from a roll. From a dig I could see the evo owning it. OO btw that 318 was uber fast.

[Nic01101011]

hi guys i dont own a BMW but im going to act tough and post on a BMW forum of me doing stupid and illegal things bye

[Evo2bmw]

Nasty Evo, reminds me of mine

@ Bill O'reilly voiceover.

[e30polak]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

Great vids, and I know you're not joining in the pissing contest yourself, but I'd like to point out that I see only 2 that are likely in the US, and only one of them looks like it might be street-legal.

And we're just talking about one model here (Evo). If we start bringing in all the other Mitsu models and their close cousins to bear (the DSM family), it gets even worse.

First of all, BMWs were not built for drag racing, and have never been known for their stock 1/4 mile times.

Second, Mitsubishi copied the idea of the Evo (an AWD sport sedan w/ a turbo 4 banger) off of the WRX, so I give them little credit for originality.

Thirdly, American Muscle still pwns everyone else when it comes to drag racing.

No pissing contest here. All we have to do is whip out some real dragsters and everyone else will have to shut up. I have respect for any car that has hard work and effort put into it. My friend has a 430 whp Evo which is a pure blast to drive!

Nevertheless Jap mobiles have a long way to go before they will top the numerous street legal American Muscle cars, which are in fact faster. After all, Americans were the ones that perfected the sport, everyone else is simply trying to be like us!

Look up any funny car/ dragster races and you won't see any puny little Japanese motors in those competitions.

[Evo2bmw]

Originally Posted by e30polak

Second, Mitsubishi copied the idea of the Evo (an AWD sport sedan w/ a turbo 4 banger) off of the WRX, so I give them little credit for originality.

Sorry have to correct you here

The Evolution I (cd9a) was introduced before the WRX in japan.. nearly a year before actually in early '92. The basic WRX was released here in the states first, but the evo is not a wrx knockoff

If anything, they are both knockoffs of the audi quattro (turbo + awd) released in 1980!

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by e30polak

First of all, BMWs were not built for drag racing, and have never been known for their stock 1/4 mile times.

Neither are Evos. Do you think any of those single-digit BMWs you posted will take any of the single-digit Evos on a track with turns???

Originally Posted by e30polak

Second, Mitsubishi copied the idea of the Evo (an AWD sport sedan w/ a turbo 4 banger) off of the WRX, so I give them little credit for originality.

Uhhh. NO.

First off, the Evo I came out Sep. of 1992 in Japan, while the WRX officially debuted Nov. of 1992. On top of that, the Lancer Evo is based off the Galant VR-4, which came out in 1990--while Subaru was still hung-up on the Justy and the failed, automatic-only SVX.

The owner speaks out:

Originally Posted by Swiftevo

I havent changed a single thing since you and me raced. Same boost. Same tune. same 93oct. Same brand meth. Same amount of meth. Not one single thing.

I went form a 67mm turbo making around 650awhp at 34psi with race gas and meth to a 63mm with 93 and meth running 30psi. So yea i thought 580 was a good estimate. Well I pulled you hard and you said your nitrous wasnt working. So again i think thats about what i make.

Then I race LTHL VNM and beat him pretty good too but hes making more power then you and weighs less. But he said he was having shifter/tranny problems. He couldnt slam his shifts.

So I race Tony again on a different day. And I mis 4th completly he pulls a couple cars. Then the next race i stumbled on the 3rd gear shift and he pulled a tad but then bam i start pulling hard. More then 2 cars!

Now I race the viper making 674rwhp on a inflated dyno run i think. But who knows. We go from a dig and i put buses on him. I figured he spun the shit out of his tires. Then he wanted a 70-160 roll. I brake boost we both hit it I stay even through 3rd but when I hit 4th i start pulling again then 5th even worse and he never really levelled out.

So this got me to thinking that I have to be making more power then the 580 which i originally thought. Maybe closer to 650awhp. I have never seen an evo make 700+whp on a 63mm without 40+psi.

--Josh

[redfoot]

We should be questioning the 674 whp # out of an essentially otherwise stock Viper running 7psi.

[850twin]

My viper truck with same set up but 6lb boost with meth injec and Roe race tune turns 710rwhp on dyno. I would say something up with viper tune.