With O'ring head or block (or both) you would use stock, otherwise I don't know how could clamp/seal with copper or MLS type.
O'ringing the block it's suggested, however doing it well, the head can be done and shouldn't cause problem, although, would be more difficult to center ring or make the groove to have a good seal.
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I don't have any pics of a reciever groove but it is just a groove in the head above the O-ring. It lets the o-ring push the gasket into the groove forming a dam of sorts. ///J.T.///
Lot's of new stuff hope it stays together a little longer. LOL
Tom what type of setup did you use? Details sir!
Cameron, stock gasket. Coppers are for race use, eg you have to change them out. This is just hearsay on my behalf, let JT/others chime in. (BTW, are you going with S52 cams or Evosports?)
That is what I have always been told. Thanks. Stocker then.
S52 cams. I want to test out the difference between the horrible m50 cams and the s52 cams first. It might make enough power and mid-range will still be nice. With the large cams I will have even more lag because they will move the power band to the right. I know people have made over 800whp with s52 cams. Plus the Evosport cams are expensive and I need to save every dime I can for my family right now.
Copper is more of a race thing. MLS and or stock style is for street setups. ///J.T.///
Lot's of new stuff hope it stays together a little longer. LOL
The guy that built my motor and a few other of the chicago guys motors, is the same guy that builds all of AMS' motors.
my motor is
Custom CP's 84.5mm, 9.0:1CR, HD wrist pins, thicker ring lands.
Arrow rods
oversized head studs
S52 crank
pyramid rings
oversize valves, dual springs, ti retainers, re ground cams
///Andres
11 X5d sport - daily tow rig
09 335d - evolve tuned 327whp / 490wtq
97 M3 - NASA TTB
95 M3 Turbo - 3.0l s52, PTE74GTQ, AEM EMS & CDI, etc
the rings i ordered were whatever JE had specified for heavy boost. when gapping them, they were noticably harder to gap on the grinder than most rings.
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I've never heard of using a stock/composite gasket on an o-ringed block. Anyone else ever heard that? I o-ringed my Nissan block 5-6 years ago and it failed with a stock gasket. I was told it would only be reliable with a copper gasket; thus needing maitenance/changing pretty often, ie race car.
I hope it works out for you though.
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FWIW - I have researched copper extensively and can provide multiple links to experienced shops that can manufacture a copper gasket for any application if they do not already have a template on file.
EACH of these suppliers has cautioned against using CU on a street car. These gaskets are strongly recommended only for use in race machines that are frequently disassembled.
I understand that there may be a few builders who have used Dirco or Hylomar to achieve a good coolant and oil passage seal, but everyone has discouraged me from pursuing copper for the street.
Although I have not o-ringed my block yet, I have read that you shouldn't need to ring both the block and head. A receiver groove can be used but is not always necessary, depends how far you have the rings protruding from the deck of the block.
I have never heard of anyone o-ringing with MLS and I agree that it is doubtful you will deform the steel as intended.
I think that the originator will be very happy with this design provided the AFRs and ignition are handled properly. As suggested in relation to Pyramid rings, the head gasket may no longer provide an inexpensive relief. Although inconvenient and annoying to repair frequently, a blown HG is far less expensive than bent rods and broken pistons.
What are boost seeking motorheads supposed to do?
Extend coolant and oil passages with like, pipe or something idk, and machine head to receive said 'pipes' then weld head to block. Done and done
They discourage copper on the street to prvent headaches,but it is done alot.
MlS can be used with o-ring the ring will have to be copper so it deforms/compress to the MLS this is done to create more clamp load around the cylinder.
I know there is a company that makes a copper gasket with a special bonded rubber coating on it to prevent leaks for the BMW
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