Supra Detail upcoming.. please advise!!

[1flossedm3]

So my 93 supra is in pretty good shape for it's age I'd say.. but like other black cars.. it is constantly in need of care. I really want to remove the swirl marks and light scratches I can see in the direct light, and under flourescent light.

Here's what I'm going to be using, please let me know if this will be suitable!!

(I'm a big fan of Adam's products.. they seem to work really well..)

1. Clay with Adam's Clay



Going to do the entire car and use the adam's detail spray as a lubricant.

2. Pinnacle Swirl Remover

Plan to use the PC 7424 and apply this by machine, wiping off with microfiber after.



3. Pinnacle Advanced Finishing Polish

Plan to apply this by machine, wiping off with microfibers as well.

4. Pinnacle series II carnauba wax (buttery).

Plan to apply this by HAND, and remove with microfiber.



Products:






Here is what the paint looks like under flash, the rear bumper is the worse, but its not noticable in the shade/when the sun hits. The paint is very smooth. I'm hoping to correct the fine scratches I can see.



Does this sound like a good plan? Can you guys reccomend anything? First time using the PC on a black car.. I dont want to make the swirls any worse.



Thanks!!

[eurotunerwerks]

imo Meg's 105 would do VERY well on your car! either that or SIP

[Deep Gloss Auto]

You may need a more agressive polish.. SIP as suggested would be a winner

What size pads are those that you have? Anything larger than 5" pads on a PC is just too tedious.. at least to me

[1flossedm3]

Originally Posted by Deep Gloss Auto

You may need a more agressive polish.. SIP as suggested would be a winner

What size pads are those that you have? Anything larger than 5" pads on a PC is just too tedious.. at least to me

I'm not sure they are what came with the kit..

[eurotunerwerks]

Originally Posted by 1flossedm3

I'm not sure they are what came with the kit..

I would highly suggest Meg's 105.

follow this link to show you what it can do:

http://www.autopia.org/forum/pro-det...polishing.html

[Deep Gloss Auto]

Originally Posted by 1flossedm3

I'm not sure they are what came with the kit..

Measure them... like I suggested 5" are best for PC

When I was using a PC I wouldn't use anything larger...

[Ryan328i]

I have that Pinnacle swirl remover and it's meh at best. I'm not as familiar with Toyota paint..it may be softer than BMW. For getting out swirl I really like Menzerna, it's what I use on my Cosmos. Even then it takes a few passes with the PC to get them all out. Judging by your picture you have your work cut out for you.

Everything else looks decent but I'd suggest a different swirl remover. Don't worry about making them worse with the PC, it's very easy to use. Just make sure the car is clean and that you're using enough product. Good luck!

[eurotunerwerks]

Megs 105 review : http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums...ad.php?t=21694

http://www.autogeek.net/meguiars-mir...-compound.html

[gmblack3]

You do not want to use M105 if this is your first rodeo. Some use it with a PC, but I would not. Even Megs says not to use it with a PC, its a compound and a PC will not break it down completely. You will end up with hazing.

SIP is ok w/ a PC, but takes a while to break down. So you really have to work it for a while.

[eurotunerwerks]

this is what i did with SIP on a black bmw

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum....php?t=1011796

[1flossedm3]

So an update.. I finished the detail.. took me around 10 hours..

I'll post pics when it's light out..


The car has some imperfections in the paint, scratches and some swirl marks that I wanted to get rid of.



Here's the process I used:

Washed car

Clayed Car

Used PC7424 and buffed the car slowly with a orange cutting pad.. I used the Pinnacle Advanced Swirl Remover. I made sure to go slow so that the product would break down. (The pad was literally black after I was done)

Then used the Advanced Finishing polish with a black pad. I went slow again to break down the polish.

Then I used the white pad and applied Pinnacle Carnuaba wax with the machine and wiped it off.

All in all it came out OK, but didn't take the swirls out that I wanted to. I got some stuff, but the rear bumper needs more work and so do some of the panels/roof.

Should I have used a more aggresive pad? Different polishes/swirl remover? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you!

[simracer]

There's a couple of things that could be attributed to. The swirl remover might not have been aggressive enough. Or it might not have been worked in long enough.

What speeds were you using on the PC?

As some have mentioned, sometimes smaller diameter pads work better with PCs because the PC can turn the smaller\lighter pads faster.

Also, what color pads are you using. I see orange and gray. Anything else?

[eurotunerwerks]

should get some SIP as everyone suggested earlier in the thread. it should take them out for you.

[1flossedm3]

Originally Posted by simracer

There's a couple of things that could be attributed to. The swirl remover might not have been aggressive enough. Or it might not have been worked in long enough.

What speeds were you using on the PC?

As some have mentioned, sometimes smaller diameter pads work better with PCs because the PC can turn the smallerlighter pads faster.

Also, what color pads are you using. I see orange and gray. Anything else?

I was using speed 5 on th PC. I used orange and gray.. white for the wax.

Originally Posted by eurotunerwerks

should get some SIP as everyone suggested earlier in the thread. it should take them out for you.

Isn't SIP just a polish, not a swirl scratch remover?

[H&MAUDE]

...and I live in fear of burning through the clear and am a noob at using power tools to detail. That said, I've pretty much left well enough alone at this point. My question is...is the fact that the pad turned black a sign that the car wasn't cleaned enough before hitting with the polish/compound? Should there be any color on there is it isn't single-stage paint? Just want to know what to watch for when I get a hair up my rear to do a full-on detail assault! BTW, I absolutely LOVE that gen Supra...I think its one of the finest designs EVER (that was a good, but brief, era for incredibly design Japanese sports cars! The 300ZX, the Supra, and the RX7 were all stunning!)...and in black =

[Ryan328i]

Originally Posted by 1flossedm3

I was using speed 5 on th PC. I used orange and gray.. white for the wax.



Isn't SIP just a polish, not a swirl scratch remover?

I may be wrong but I think the white pad is still pretty aggressive. Chances are you didn't work the polish long enough to get all the swirls out. Speed 5 isn't bad, I'll even do speed 6 at times when polishing. The thing is that the PC can only do so much so you may need to make multiple passes over the same area. I think the Pinnacle polish that you used is also not as aggressive as some other so you would need to make even more passes.

SIP is an "intensive polish" it takes out swirls. There are different levels of polishes, Klasse AIO is also a polish but it has no real cutting ability. Like I said earlier I used SIP and it did a good job on my swirls but there are still some areas that I would need to go over again to get them all out.

[95RogueM3]

With the PC and SIP, I find its really only beneficial to use an Orange or Yellow Cut pad. White isnt terribly agressive and works well, but I just didnt think it complimented the SIP very well.

As was stated, with a PC, SIP has a pretty long break-down time.

[simracer]

Now if those are Lake Country pads, I would think you should have used orange with the scratch remover, white with the polish and then gray with the wax. The gray has more pores and doesn't have much cut at all. Which is why you want to use it with the wax.

SIP is a fairly aggressive polish. It has a cut of 3.5 on Menzerna's 5 point scale. The only product that they have with more cut is their Powergloss compound (5 out of 5).

And he had black on his pad because Supras use single stage paint. So any polishing you do is leveling (removing) paint.

[1flossedm3]

Originally Posted by simracer

Now if those are Lake Country pads, I would think you should have used orange with the scratch remover, white with the polish and then gray with the wax. The gray has more pores and doesn't have much cut at all. Which is why you want to use it with the wax.

SIP is a fairly aggressive polish. It has a cut of 3.5 on Menzerna's 5 point scale. The only product that they have with more cut is their Powergloss compound (5 out of 5).

And he had black on his pad because Supras use single stage paint. So any polishing you do is leveling (removing) paint.

I used the black pad for polishing, they were Lake Country pads. Used orange for the swirl, and white pad was with the wax.

Question.. now I noticed in the sun the cars has those haze marks which I think are from the wax.. how can I get rid of those? Did I not pull all the wax off the car? Will spray wax and a microfiber get rid of them?

[95RogueM3]

Originally Posted by 1flossedm3

Question.. now I noticed in the sun the cars has those haze marks which I think are from the wax.. how can I get rid of those? Did I not pull all the wax off the car? Will spray wax and a microfiber get rid of them?

If its been sitting out and baking it can be a bear to remove. However, using a QD and pressure should remove it.

It might also be hazing as left behind from the swirl removal. I've never used Pinnacle and couldn't tell you how abrasive it is. SIP for instance needs to have another step down (like IP) or it will leave hazing even if done by PC.

[simracer]

Here's a link to a Supra detail on Autopia that turned out well. A quick search there should bring up someone else's process and the products they used.
http://www.autopia.org/forum/click-b...rbo-supra.html

Personally, I think a white pad is not a great choice with a pure wax because it's abrasive and can cause micromarring in the very paint you're trying to remove the scratches from. Supras have that typical super soft Japanese paint. Looking at it wrong can induce swirls. Basically, the paint needs to be as smooth as it can be before you ever start the LSP stage. And then when applying the LSP, you need to be as gentle as possible in order to avoid marring the finish you've just spend a lot of time perfecting.

Just MHO.

[1flossedm3]

Thank you both for the advice. I need to possibly change my detailing route and re do this again possibly next Spring. Can anyone reccomend another full route after claying? Please include pad types as well.

Klasse AIO? FMJ? SIP? So many choices.. what would be best for my super soft paint? I'm very anal about the car and I dont want to damage the paint.