PCA Schattenbaum - NJMP - Nov 7-8 2009

[PSangavaramM3]

any of you guys going?

i know jcald is going. anyone else?

[skierman64]

I'm out, but I wish I could do it.

It's at Thunderbolt right or is it one day at each track?

[PSangavaramM3]

Whats up man!

its one day at each track

[kishg]

done for the season.. starting on new build next weekend so i can be ready for 2010! have fun!

[manderino]

I will be there.

[wrcdave]

Hey Preeth. I'm done for the season but I'm already working on the car for next year. Have fun and be safe.

Dave

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by PSangavaramM3

Whats up man!

its one day at each track

Things are good, what a great time I had at Lightning last weekend.

[43bullet]

Hey.....just be careful.....NJ police were there at a recent event and handed out tickets for going faster than 5 mph in the paddock AND for expired belts......read this on rennlist..

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by 43bullet

Hey.....just be careful.....NJ police were there at a recent event and handed out tickets for going faster than 5 mph in the paddock AND for expired belts......read this on rennlist..

Usually I've found NJ state troopers to be a reasonable bunch (in my experience) however that's total BS.

Don't they have better things to do?

Most cars can't even do 5mph without slipping the clutch.

Here's what was posted on rennlist by Darren...it looks like a cut and paste from the state law website. The two year requirement does not apply to road course racing or HPDEs.
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The cop was WRONG about the code on the harnesses -- the two year requirement shows up under Oval Racing, drag racing, etc, but not under:

SUBCHAPTER 3. SAFETY REQUIREMENTS FOR VEHICLES AND PERSONNEL: ROAD RACING AND HIGH PERFORMANCE DRIVING SCHOOLS

§ 13:62-3.7 Safety belts, shoulder harness and crotch belt
(c) All vehicles (except motorcycles) participating in
racing, racing event practice, qualifying or testing shall require
a minimum of a five-point safety belt for each occupant
meeting one of the following standards:
1. SFI 16.1 or SFI 16.5, incorporated herein by
reference and available at http://www. sfifoundation.com,
seat belts shall be valid until December 31st of the second
year after the date of manufacture punched or indicated on
the SFI tag. There shall be one original tag attached to one
of the two shoulder belts, one original tag attached to one
of the lap belts and a third original tag attached to the
crotch belt.
2. FIA 8853, incorporated herein by reference and
available at http://www.fia.com/ spor t /
Regulations/standregs.html, seat belts shall be valid for
five years from the year of manufacture. Belts are
stamped or printed with an expiration year. FIA seat belts
expire on December 31 of the year printed or stamped on
the FIA tag. FIA tags are located on each leg of the
shoulder belt and lap belt, and on one leg of the crotch
strap.

[Rob.ITS.BMW.323]

Anyone have sign-up information? One more track day might be fun before winter...

[PSangavaramM3]

Originally Posted by kishg

done for the season.. starting on new build next weekend so i can be ready for 2010! have fun!

G'luck Kish.

Originally Posted by manderino

I will be there.

Can't wait bro!

Originally Posted by wrcdave

Hey Preeth. I'm done for the season but I'm already working on the car for next year. Have fun and be safe.

Thanks dave! Saw you were stripping the car by all the for sale threads! Good luck w/the car and hopefully we will run into one another at a track event next season!

Originally Posted by skierman64

Things are good, what a great time I had at Lightning last weekend.

It will be a good time! Drinks at Texas Roadhouse!

Originally Posted by 43bullet

Hey.....just be careful.....NJ police were there at a recent event and handed out tickets for going faster than 5 mph in the paddock AND for expired belts......read this on rennlist..

Hahaha I would be more concerned about Geico looking at my car and ZEE TIMING MECHANISM within zee cahhh! (Thomas from AudiClub aka Hans Gruber)

Originally Posted by Rob.ITS.BMW.323

Anyone have sign-up information? One more track day might be fun before winter...

Nov 4 is the last day to sign on. :thumbsup:

[Rob.ITS.BMW.323]

Is there a db limit at a school? My car typically is 99 during race weekends.

[kishg]

Originally Posted by Rob.ITS.BMW.323

Is there a db limit at a school? My car typically is 99 during race weekends.

i didn't think it varied between race/de weekends, unless PCA says otherwise.

[manderino]

My car is pretty damn loud and I have never had a problem with PCA.

[skierman64]

Noise limits are almost always because of a track rule, not a organizer rule. The only two tracks I know that have noise limits are both in Canada, Calabogie and Mont Tremblant.

[kishg]

Originally Posted by skierman64

Noise limits are almost always because of a track rule, not a organizer rule. The only two tracks I know that have noise limits are both in Canada, Calabogie and Mont Tremblant.

Lime Rock is anal too.. but I don't think NJMP is.

[PSangavaramM3]

so apparently white/black run groups are being combined. That's 50 people on track at once....

Thats gonna be awful

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by PSangavaramM3

so apparently white/black run groups are being combined. That's 50 people on track at once....

Thats gonna be awful

Hopefully they are doubling the session time at least.

[HeelToeGo]

I'll be there as well..

How do you know Black/White is combined, because this impacts me just a tad...

Kish - Sorry we gunna miss each other, Whats happening to the car for 2010? I'm be in the p-car this weekend so it not like we could be tossing it up in the e30s anyway.

-Russ

EDIT: I've ran at NJMP many a time with race cars during DEs, sound levels never an issue... (My experience anyway with BMWCCA and PCA)

[TJe46M3]

I'll be there.

[mdadgar]

Originally Posted by skierman64

Noise limits are almost always because of a track rule, not a organizer rule. The only two tracks I know that have noise limits are both in Canada, Calabogie and Mont Tremblant.

Most DE events at Laguna Seca are 92db. I kid you not.

- Mark

[kishg]

Originally Posted by HeelToeGo

Kish - Sorry we gunna miss each other, Whats happening to the car for 2010? I'm be in the p-car this weekend so it not like we could be tossing it up in the e30s anyway.

-Russ

russ, yeah, sorry to miss ya.. car will be getting cage and assorted stuff for spec e30.

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by mdadgar

Most DE events at Laguna Seca are 92db. I kid you not.

- Mark

But isn't that a rule set by the track not set by the organizers of the HPDE.

[manderino]

50 cars is going to be ridiculous. I don't see why they don't combine both beginner and both intermediate and leave advanced and instructor alone.

[mdadgar]

Originally Posted by skierman64

But isn't that a rule set by the track not set by the organizers of the HPDE.

Of course. The organizers would kill for louder days. When renting the track, an organizer must pay for 2 sound testers (one fixed, one roving) and cars are evaluated on a 3-strikes basis.

Laguna freed up an unlimited sound day (a Friday) in September this year. Only $30K for the track rental, plus services.

Pass.

- Mark