over rev going to 5th ended in 3rd engine shut down ...

[speedster]

rarely does a bottom end get hurt in a mis-shift. the head on the other hand will take the beating. I have done the same thing (5th to 2nd) about 80 mph. Depending where you live a head job from a mechanic will be around 2000$ dollars. from reading these posts it sounds like your way in over your head and may be better off taking it to a real mechanic. good luck

[AwesomeIsLuke]

Originally Posted by speedster

rarely does a bottom end get hurt in a mis-shift. the head on the other hand will take the beating. I have done the same thing (5th to 2nd) about 80 mph. Depending where you live a head job from a mechanic will be around 2000$ dollars. from reading these posts it sounds like your way in over your head and may be better off taking it to a real mechanic. good luck

Not necessarily. Rods have been known to be stretched or even broken in the event of a money shift.

[Seph540i]

YOu know what scares me? I made the 4th to 3rd mistake four times on the way to school today.

But then again I'm working on 3 hours of sleep and if I blow my engine, I have another ready to go in. Cheap engines FTW!

[philakamrbean]

In this case, I wouldn't expect a coolant pressure test to tell you much of anything, other than if a head cracked or a cylinder decided to seek daylight via cylinder wall, but that would be pretty obvious from the oil everywhere. If I need to take a guess, you smacked the valves into the piston on that one cylinder with the "shiney stuff". At least you seem to be patient, but remember to stay objective.

[skierman64]

Third gear at 120 mph is nearly 10K. There's probably a lot broken there. The top end for sure is gone.

[bmwdirtracer]

"YOu know what scares me? I made the 4th to 3rd mistake four times on the way to school today."



You know what scares me?


You.

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by Seph540i

YOu know what scares me? I made the 4th to 3rd mistake four times on the way to school today.

But then again I'm working on 3 hours of sleep and if I blow my engine, I have another ready to go in. Cheap engines FTW!

Slow learner?

[jfj707]

Originally Posted by mindstorm00

I think i might have done the same to my poor car!!! MY BIGGEST DRIVING MISTAKE SO FAR!!!

I hope that you were on a deserted road with only yourself in the car while you were driving at 120. That way if someone dies, its only you, and not someone who is driving safely and minding their own business.

If you don't have the coordination to shift from 4th to 5th correctly, I daresay that you don't have the skill to control the car at anywhere near those speeds.

I realize I may catch some flak for stating the above, but an acquaintance of mine was killed recently because of some crap that someone else pulled like this.

And like everyone has been trying to tell you all along, the motor is toast. Go for the Honda, you probably won't be as dangerous in that one.

/end rant

[02325]

Originally Posted by jfj707

I hope that you were on a deserted road with only yourself in the car while you were driving at 120. That way if someone dies, its only you, and not someone who is driving safely and minding their own business.

If you don't have the coordination to shift from 4th to 5th correctly, I daresay that you don't have the skill to control the car at anywhere near those speeds.

I realize I may catch some flak for stating the above, but an acquaintance of mine was killed recently because of some crap that someone else pulled like this.

And like everyone has been trying to tell you all along, the motor is toast. Go for the Honda, you probably won't be as dangerous in that one.

/end rant

I was thinking the same thing, but just didn't want to start a war. I drive my WS6 at high rate of speeds but only on straight roads and no one around or in the car with me. Most of the time it is on the interstate.

[AwesomeIsLuke]

Originally Posted by jfj707

I hope that you were on a deserted road with only yourself in the car while you were driving at 120. That way if someone dies, its only you, and not someone who is driving safely and minding their own business.

If you don't have the coordination to shift from 4th to 5th correctly, I daresay that you don't have the skill to control the car at anywhere near those speeds.

I realize I may catch some flak for stating the above, but an acquaintance of mine was killed recently because of some crap that someone else pulled like this.

And like everyone has been trying to tell you all along, the motor is toast. Go for the Honda, you probably won't be as dangerous in that one.

/end rant

Sometimes it isn't a matter of coordination. I am not saying the OP was in the right here, but bad trans mounts or linkage bushings could have helped cause the misshift, and sometimes while you are driving spiritedly you don't focus on the seemingly mundane things like shifting.

Perhaps the OP was so focused on driving safely at high speeds that he didn't use all of his focus to shift. Mistakes happen, don't pretend that you are immune to mistakes.

[jfj707]

Originally Posted by AwesomeIsLuke

Sometimes it isn't a matter of coordination. I am not saying the OP was in the right here, but bad trans mounts or linkage bushings could have helped cause the misshift, and sometimes while you are driving spiritedly you don't focus on the seemingly mundane things like shifting.

Perhaps the OP was so focused on driving safely at high speeds that he didn't use all of his focus to shift. Mistakes happen, don't pretend that you are immune to mistakes.

I'm not immune to mistakes. Mistakes happen. Recklessness (that endangers others) is a choice.

So to be more correct, I acknowledge that misshifts can happen for a variety of reasons, and we have all done it.

[bmwdirtracer]

oooooh, this is fun. Let's be nice, Chris.

To be honest, when I was approximately Seph 540's age, I jumped from one car to another at 65 mph. so a missed shift or six is part of the learning experience, however ugly it is to the more experienced sickos.

BUT make no mistake, I am more experienced now, and such moves cost money, or lives, and I've seen many young people die because of the desire to be really cool, without the knowledge to support it. I promise you, seph, and OP, that everyone of us has done something stupider than that, and we're only here to tell you about it because we got lucky. Spend your next car money on improving the driver - both of you - by going to a school, or taking up autocrossing, and better learn the trade you're employing.

This is the best advice I have, and no intended offense to anyone here.

[mindstorm00]

Originally Posted by bmwdirtracer

oooooh, this is fun. Let's be nice, Chris.

To be honest, when I was approximately Seph 540's age, I jumped from one car to another at 65 mph. so a missed shift or six is part of the learning experience, however ugly it is to the more experienced sickos.

BUT make no mistake, I am more experienced now, and such moves cost money, or lives, and I've seen many young people die because of the desire to be really cool, without the knowledge to support it. I promise you, seph, and OP, that everyone of us has done something stupider than that, and we're only here to tell you about it because we got lucky. Spend your next car money on improving the driver - both of you - by going to a school, or taking up autocrossing, and better learn the trade you're employing.

This is the best advice I have, and no intended offense to anyone here.

lessen to the wise man!!! (must be the age)

And BIENSUR never intends to offense anyone , and you doesn't I promise, and I especially thank you for your time

Now i'm sure the engine got hit pretty bad because I'm working on it kinda by my self these days and not too much I'm planing to get to the heads tomorrow (By the way taking the vanos out even with the tools was a PAIN IN THE ASS!!!)
The point now is I've already decided to get a lone from a rich reletive to buy anther engine and put it on witch i found for 2000 shipped pulled out from an e36 that was rear ended ( I didnt purchase the ithem yet) , and hard headed as I amstill hopping I can rebuild my own engine (at least I'm learning somestuff over here!!!) if the engine is lost witch i dont think it is since like i said no signe of any major damage is showing (but u never know AND I M A ROOKIE but had mecanics look at it with me) Ohh well i dont know , I ll post some more pictures tomorrow if i get to the heads

keep it coming

and lessen to dirtracer!!!

[skierman64]

Don't skip english class while you're working in your engine. ("listen" "loan")

Post some pics when you get your engine apart. Good luck.

[mindstorm00]

Originally Posted by skierman64

Don't skip english class while you're working in your engine. ("listen" "loan")

Post some pics when you get your engine apart. Good luck.

I blame it on the the keyboard

[mindstorm00]

Alright guys here I'm again with some more new stuff (suicide mission), but I'm enjoying it a little and learning (well never had the chance to work on an engine)
so after talking the vanos out, the intake manifold... :
_first thing that looked obvious some valve where still open...

http://img29.imageshack.us/g/92954724.jpg/



Now you don't need any special bmw tools to get these out of the way ( Not trying to do a DIY but...)




Now to attack the headers... (boy your gonna get it ,12 suckers to unscrew, don't wejust love bmwssss )



Now after that you'll need to unbolt the headers from the pipes and prepare to use your muscles... anyway I had to unbolt the pipes holder a little more to the back so i can drop them down and let the headers slip out of their spot...


and here goes the beauty the fallen beast I mean :




oups oups oups do you c it !



the other don't look too bad ( a little water that spilled in there )




now for the valves







now for the decision
rebuild or get a new one and part out the good parts on it
I have a guy offering a s50 engine shipped for 2000 that has 120k miles on it.

What do you guys think?

[skierman64]

Get a new one and just swap it in whole. Don't take the new one apart. Also check Roundel and or Bimmer magazine, there's a place that sells rebuilt BMW motors, I'd check the price there and see how it compares to the engine with 120K on it. It might be nice to start with a zero mileage motor if the price is close.

[bmwdirtracer]

Bavarian Auto Recycling, Rancho Cordoba, CA., I believe.

[RADI0ACTIV3M4N]

Swap it. Much more painless.

[mindstorm00]

Oh well I still got a lot of good parts on my engine someone might give a good price out of it, or I might get a little money parting it out...
I'll let you know about it soon
thanks

[skierman64]

I just got back from vacation and now have access to a Roundel magazine. Here's the place I mentioned previously: bmwengine.com. Looks like they have 5 year warranties on their engines. I don't know anything about the company except they have been advertising in Roundel forever. It might be another alternative.

[mindstorm00]

Originally Posted by skierman64

I just got back from vacation and now have access to a Roundel magazine. Here's the place I mentioned previously: bmwengine.com. Looks like they have 5 year warranties on their engines. I don't know anything about the company except they have been advertising in Roundel forever. It might be another alternative.

http://www.actionsalvage.com/bmw-engine.htm

did you see the price of that thing

Check this out:

http://s261.photobucket.com/albums/i...03-97124/video

I think I'm going for this one need a Vanos and that's it

what do you guys think?