Is a bf.c Member Faster Than a Redneck?

[nondescript]

MY EPISODE WILL BE ON NEXT MONDAY, MARCH 4TH, AT 9pm EST!

I hope the paid for that damage.

All said and done, you glad you participated?

[Z3SpdDmn]

Psshaw, doesn't even know what a line is.

Don't ya know you're supposed to dive bomb the braking zone and straightline the apex right into the door panel of the car already there?

-Charlie

Ohhhhh. Is THAT how I do it? LOL

your m3 got hit by the camaro? Thats annoying and pissed me off. Do they pay for the damage caused to your car? and I can't believe the guy had the nerve to go up and slap you. It was quite clear that there was no opening to pass. The Camaro being matched up with you was definitely an impossible race considering it had almost twice as much power than you. Although you were keeping up really well in the turns and if it were all turns, you would have definitely won lol.

On another note, that gtr seemed to be a pretty sweet ride

The responsibility of damage was on me.
They were saying that green Camaro was the fastest car they had.

My car was set up for race tires and had way too much camber. I pulled it off my trailer (ain't that cute?) with sticker Michelin PSS' and was scrubbing the mold release off in the first warm up lap. Between those items, the car could have been handling better.

Basically, the episode came down to me picking the wrong car to challenge!

[Level8drummer]

And if you give an f1 car to a chimpanzee, does the fact it's "the fastest car they had" make it your fault when he runs into you?

Level8Drummer

[Dubbedown]

Did you talk to the driver afterwards? Did anyone on behalf of the 'mafia' (LOL) apologize?

Honestly if it were me, I think I would've flipped sh*t... adrenaline would've hit and I would've gotten out and jumped the dude. And by no means am I criticizing you. Kudos for keeping your cool with cameras on, I just don't think I could've done it.

[Z3SpdDmn]

Did you talk to the driver afterwards? Did anyone on behalf of the 'mafia' (LOL) apologize?

Honestly if it were me, I think I would've flipped sh*t... adrenaline would've hit and I would've gotten out and jumped the dude. And by no means am I criticizing you. Kudos for keeping your cool with cameras on, I just don't think I could've done it.

Yeah, he apologized yesterday before the show. We are cool. He was being told to react to the impact and that's how it came across.

The video they showed was deceiving since it started from the rear 3/4 view. I was fully ahead - with a gap- when I went to the brakes, since he had braked earlier. You can see me shoot ahead, then you see him creep back up because he realized he had been out-braked and didn't want to give up the position. I was watching him in my rear view mirror when I was braking. I saw him creep, but he was not beside me at all when i turned in.
Cut to the side view and you will see that gap. Look more closely and you will see that I'm already fully leaned over and turning (done braking) whole he is still in a full nose-dive. That's not "position" by any rule set I've ever seen.

I knew it was a high-risk move against someone I had no idea if I could trust. I left him enough room that he could have still stuck on the inside if he put 2 wheels way in the grass. I had 1 shot at getting ahead since that first race was only 1 lap. I took the risk and won, but am paying for it.

Btw, as the winner, I did not feel the need to get physical. Besides that, I was totally stunned.

I'm hoping for a revenge episode in season 2. If there is a season 2 ;-)

[Dubbedown]

Yeah, he apologized yesterday before the show. We are cool. He was being told to react to the impact and that's how it came across.

The video they showed was deceiving since it started from the rear 3/4 view. I was fully ahead - with a gap- when I went to the brakes, since he had braked earlier. You can see me shoot ahead, then you see him creep back up because he realized he had been out-braked and didn't want to give up the position. I was watching him in my rear view mirror when I was braking. I saw him creep, but he was not beside me at all when i turned in.
Cut to the side view and you will see that gap. Look more closely and you will see that I'm already fully leaned over and turning (done braking) whole he is still in a full nose-dive. That's not "position" by any rule set I've ever seen.

I knew it was a high-risk move against someone I had no idea if I could trust. I left him enough room that he could have still stuck on the inside if he put 2 wheels way in the grass. I had 1 shot at getting ahead since that first race was only 1 lap. I took the risk and won, but am paying for it.

Btw, as the winner, I did not feel the need to get physical. Besides that, I was totally stunned.

I'm hoping for a revenge episode in season 2. If there is a season 2 ;-)

Good stuff, I don't know if I can last till season 2. They need to downplay the hick cheerleading on the side and show MORE driving...

[Level8drummer]

Honestly if it were me, I think I would've flipped sh*t... adrenaline would've hit and I would've gotten out and jumped the dude. And by no means am I criticizing you. Kudos for keeping your cool with cameras on, I just don't think I could've done it.

+1. It would have turned into a nascar fight.

Level8Drummer

[z3papa]

You exercised more restraint than I'd have had. Not many people come wondering up to me at 6'6" 270 and slap me but it would not have taken much to return a little love in kind.

[RangerGress]

Yeah, he apologized yesterday before the show. We are cool. He was being told to react to the impact and that's how it came across.

The video they showed was deceiving since it started from the rear 3/4 view. I was fully ahead - with a gap- when I went to the brakes, since he had braked earlier. You can see me shoot ahead, then you see him creep back up because he realized he had been out-braked and didn't want to give up the position. I was watching him in my rear view mirror when I was braking. I saw him creep, but he was not beside me at all when i turned in.
Cut to the side view and you will see that gap. Look more closely and you will see that I'm already fully leaned over and turning (done braking) whole he is still in a full nose-dive. That's not "position" by any rule set I've ever seen.

I knew it was a high-risk move against someone I had no idea if I could trust. I left him enough room that he could have still stuck on the inside if he put 2 wheels way in the grass. I had 1 shot at getting ahead since that first race was only 1 lap. I took the risk and won, but am paying for it.

Btw, as the winner, I did not feel the need to get physical. Besides that, I was totally stunned.

I'm hoping for a revenge episode in season 2. If there is a season 2 ;-)

I watched your episode last night (DVR). I went thru the problem turn frame by frame to see as much as the video angles would tell me.

There was obvious daylight between you and the other guy prior to turn entry. It was your turn. The other guy should have recognized that you had completed the pass and therefore had the line. His choices at that point would have been to brake hard so he might survive the turn getting only half a car width of space from you, or swing wide just prior to turn entry and try to make something different work. He was totally at fault and no one there seemed to recognize it, least of all him. Sure you could have given him more room in the turn, but you weren't obligated to and with 1 lap to work with, it would be unexpected charity.

When I saw the show's trailer 1000x during the Rolex24 I couldn't understand how one could tolerate getting bitch-slapped. But now that I've seen the actual show, I can understand the stunned surprise that you must have felt. As much as I'm by nature inclined to go into furious battle-rage over such a thing, in your shoes I'd have ended up with my butt planted on the seat thinking "holy shit, what just happened?" like you probably were thinking.

You handled the interviews really well. I'd have come off like a moron. Good job Anthony.

[Kevlar]

I watched your episode last night (DVR). I went thru the problem turn frame by frame to see as much as the video angles would tell me.

There was obvious daylight between you and the other guy prior to turn entry. It was your turn. The other guy should have recognized that you had completed the pass and therefore had the line. His choices at that point would have been to brake hard so he might survive the turn getting only half a car width of space from you, or swing wide just prior to turn entry and try to make something different work. He was totally at fault and no one there seemed to recognize it, least of all him. Sure you could have given him more room in the turn, but you weren't obligated to and with 1 lap to work with, it would be unexpected charity.

When I saw the show's trailer 1000x during the Rolex24 I couldn't understand how one could tolerate getting bitch-slapped. But now that I've seen the actual show, I can understand the stunned surprise that you must have felt. As much as I'm by nature inclined to go into furious battle-rage over such a thing, in your shoes I'd have ended up with my butt planted on the seat thinking "holy shit, what just happened?" like you probably were thinking.

You handled the interviews really well. I'd have come off like a moron. Good job Anthony.

Everything he said... it looked like he was trying to dive in underneath you but when he jumped the curb it was game over.

Were you told that he was going to react to the incident before he did? I can't quite tell if they told you before or after.

[bammb2000]

Anthony,

After he finally apologized did he at least admit he was totally at fault and was driving like a rookie.

Well done on keeping your cool.

[RangerGress]

Anthony,

After he finally apologized did he at least admit he was totally at fault and was driving like a rookie.

Well done on keeping your cool.

Racers rarely admit fault. Every single time 2 cars come together because of the inside guy taking the turn, even tho the pass was not completed before turn entry and therefore responsibility for the safe pass was still on the passer, it's ALWAYS "the other guy turned in on me. What was he thinking?".

New racers, old racers, series directors, race directors, national directors, it's always the same. "The other guy turned in on me. What was he thinking?" It's not that everyone's a shithead, it's really just human nature. How many of us have been surprised to see an after-action video that clearly showed our recollection of events as wrong?

The rules say, with some variation between CCR's, 1) You have no "right" to be there until your front wheel is even with the other driver. 2) Once you front wheel is even, you have a "right" to 1/2 a car width of track. 3) The responsibility for a safe pass is on the passer (barring the other guy doing something truly insane).

Anthony finished the pass before turn entry. Therefore what occurred was an attempt by the other guy to pass Anthony. At no point did the redneck get his nose up far enough to have any "right" to be there.

I'm sure the redneck still maintains "the beemer turned in on me. What was he thinking?"

[Kevlar]

If you watch the other episodes, the "Redneck Mafia" always dive bomb that first corner and lock up the brakes. I think in the first episode, one locked 'em up and slide right off the track and the import guy turned behind him after he slid by.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see more issues with that first corner since whoever controls that first corner really controls the rest of the race.

The rules say, with some variation between CCR's, 1) You have no "right" to be there until your front wheel is even with the other driver. 2) Once you front wheel is even, you have a "right" to 1/2 a car width of track. 3) The responsibility for a safe pass is on the passer (barring the other guy doing something truly insane).

Anthony finished the pass before turn entry. Therefore what occurred was an attempt by the other guy to pass Anthony. At no point did the redneck get his nose up far enough to have any "right" to be there.

Anthony was in the right... the Camaro goofed (or ran out of brakes).

[Dubbedown]

I still insist this show has potential, just wish it had more driving and less nonsense. I wish they showed more qualifying laps and what not. Maybe if they profiled the 'mafia' more as well.

But I noticed in this last episode, that same Gallardo was parked in front of the M3 which means this all took place on the same day. Guess they hold one event and make multiple episodes out of them.

[Kevlar]

Ya, if they are renting the track for the entire day, might as well run events from sunrise to sunset.

[Z3SpdDmn]

I watched your episode last night (DVR). I went thru the problem turn frame by frame to see as much as the video angles would tell me.

There was obvious daylight between you and the other guy prior to turn entry. It was your turn. The other guy should have recognized that you had completed the pass and therefore had the line. His choices at that point would have been to brake hard so he might survive the turn getting only half a car width of space from you, or swing wide just prior to turn entry and try to make something different work. He was totally at fault and no one there seemed to recognize it, least of all him. Sure you could have given him more room in the turn, but you weren't obligated to and with 1 lap to work with, it would be unexpected charity.

When I saw the show's trailer 1000x during the Rolex24 I couldn't understand how one could tolerate getting bitch-slapped. But now that I've seen the actual show, I can understand the stunned surprise that you must have felt. As much as I'm by nature inclined to go into furious battle-rage over such a thing, in your shoes I'd have ended up with my butt planted on the seat thinking "holy shit, what just happened?" like you probably were thinking.

You handled the interviews really well. I'd have come off like a moron. Good job Anthony.

Thanks Scott, I appreciate that. You're spot on, as well. After I had time to think on it, I became more angry. Not at the contact (if you don't accept that as a possible event, stay off the track), but at the slap. Its all good now, though.

I have not discussed the actual contact with the other driver. He has probably been led to read my assessment, but him admitting fault means absolutely nothing to me.

2 episodes were shot per day. We were the same day as Twinkie and Howard. The qualifying rounds were all on the first day, though.

[Dubbedown]

Thanks Scott, I appreciate that. You're spot on, as well. After I had time to think on it, I became more angry. Not at the contact (if you don't accept that as a possible event, stay off the track), but at the slap. Its all good now, though.

I have not discussed the actual contact with the other driver. He has probably been led to read my assessment, but him admitting fault means absolutely nothing to me.

2 episodes were shot per day. We were the same day as Twinkie and Howard. The qualifying rounds were all on the first day, though.

But assuming this was filmed a few weeks/months ago, why wait this long to apologize? I still think the driver is an idiot and a d*ck. First thing I would've done was punch him in the throat.

[Z3SpdDmn]

It was filmed way back in May of last year. We didn't know who each other were until recently. I think that, despite the action, it was big of him to apologize (especially since he probably still feels that I wronged him). I guess I've had a lot longer to ponder this than those who are just seeing the show, but its water under the bridge for me. That may just be because that's my personality type, but I'm over it.

[E.Roy]

Racers rarely admit fault. Every single time 2 cars come together because of the inside guy taking the turn, even tho the pass was not completed before turn entry and therefore responsibility for the safe pass was still on the passer, it's ALWAYS "the other guy turned in on me. What was he thinking?".

New racers, old racers, series directors, race directors, national directors, it's always the same. "The other guy turned in on me. What was he thinking?" It's not that everyone's a shithead, it's really just human nature. How many of us have been surprised to see an after-action video that clearly showed our recollection of events as wrong?

The rules say, with some variation between CCR's, 1) You have no "right" to be there until your front wheel is even with the other driver. 2) Once you front wheel is even, you have a "right" to 1/2 a car width of track. 3) The responsibility for a safe pass is on the passer (barring the other guy doing something truly insane).

Anthony finished the pass before turn entry. Therefore what occurred was an attempt by the other guy to pass Anthony. At no point did the redneck get his nose up far enough to have any "right" to be there.

I'm sure the redneck still maintains "the beemer turned in on me. What was he thinking?"

Nice point, I saw the same crap in the Grand Am race at COTA. Guys behind trying to make a truly impossible physics problem take place. People need to be more humble and realistic<-----won't happen though

[OptimaJim]

Dubbedown, the OUSCI will be on SPEED this Sunday at 11AM Eastern. If you like the format of our event (no wheel to wheel racing, road course, autocross, speed/stop), there's still time to sign up for the Detroit Speed Southern Slam, where anyone can bring their car and compare their times to that of some of the same rednecks who are on the TV show, at the same track. We will also be selecting at least one car from that event to come to SEMA and compete in the 2013 OUSCI, which will also air on TV.

Jim McIlvaine
eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc.

[Charlie]

Dubbedown, the OUSCI will be on SPEED this Sunday at 11AM Eastern. If you like the format of our event (no wheel to wheel racing, road course, autocross, speed/stop), there's still time to sign up for the Detroit Speed Southern Slam, where anyone can bring their car and compare their times to that of some of the same rednecks who are on the TV show, at the same track. We will also be selecting at least one car from that event to come to SEMA and compete in the 2013 OUSCI, which will also air on TV.

Jim McIlvaine
eCare Manager, OPTIMA Batteries, Inc.

Can you have Goldberg ask if it's got a Hemi in it?

-Charlie

[Silverlight]

Ohhhhh. Is THAT how I do it? LOL



The responsibility of damage was on me.
They were saying that green Camaro was the fastest car they had.

My car was set up for race tires and had way too much camber. I pulled it off my trailer (ain't that cute?) with sticker Michelin PSS' and was scrubbing the mold release off in the first warm up lap. Between those items, the car could have been handling better.

Basically, the episode came down to me picking the wrong car to challenge!

Oh that would explain it. That Camaro was pretty damn fast and a pretty unfair match up (not your fault, guess it just happened to be chance!). But even then you held up your own! I wonder how much different the outcome would be with a lil bit more broken in tires.

[RangerGress]

First thing I would've done was punch him in the throat.

That can be a lethal strike. Being pissed is one thing, life or death is another.

[99MPower]

That can be a lethal strike. Being pissed is one thing, life or death is another.

Its just a red zone... no big deal

[Z3SpdDmn]

A little more thorough review of the incident is posted here:
http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showt...=438401&page=8