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Thread: STOCK S50 Cams Versus ICS Stage 1 Turbo Cams.

  1. 01-27-2013, 10:23 AM #1
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    STOCK S50 Cams Versus ICS Stage 1 Turbo Cams.

    This coming week, I have a customer with a boosted E36 M3 that we will be installing the ICS Stage 1 camshafts.

    Dyno when the vehicle arrives, cam swap, dyno without touching the the, then a re-tune with the ICS cams installed.

    I will post up, pictures, videos, dyno sheets or the comparisons. BTW I stand corrected the camshafts are S52's non S50's.

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    Certain areas in the graph netted 60-70 rwhp andn 60-70 rwt - I am basing this off "Cameron" 4000 RPM Spot.




    Stock Cams VS ICS Stage 1 Cams No Tune Adjustments



    Stock Cams VS ICS Stage 1 Cams Tuned



    Stock Cams VS ICS Stage 1 Cams Un tuned VS tuned

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    This should be fun.

    Back to back. no tune adjustments.

    THEN fully tuned like the car currently is on the Stock s52 cams. to see REAL power potential .

    this should be fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RK-Tunes View Post
    humm...
    This should be fun.

    Back to back. no tune adjustments.

    THEN fully tuned like the car currently is on the Stock s52 cams. to see REAL power potential .

    this should be fun.
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    Gentlemen I will post up the complete mods list on the M3 when we do the testing this coming week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z3speed4me View Post
    I say if it is a 550-600whp car; 35 extra hp up top.
    We shall see, I believe it will pick up a good amount of spool and torque down low - time will tell Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock

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    I believe it will pick up a good amount of spool and torque down low
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    Normally when static cams (non vanos) are modified it is a trade off, of a loss down low for a gain up top and visa versa. So you are saying you will pick up torque down low and possible make more up top?
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    Quote Originally Posted by S50B30T View Post
    Normally when static cams (non vanos) are modified it is a trade off, of a loss down low for a gain up top and visa versa. So you are saying you will pick up torque down low and possible make more up top?
    That is the plan.

    I am off and will be filming the Dyno video, I should have done a before and after on my car as well, but this will give me an idea of how much power the ICS cams produced on my set-up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handbuilt View Post
    That is the plan.

    I am off and will be filming the Dyno video, I should have done a before and after on my car as well, but this will give me an idea of how much power the ICS cams produced on my set-up.
    Hahaha your a day late and a dollar short.....

    Testing was completed today car rolled in making 608 rwhp and 529 rwt

    Cams installed and tuned 1 psi less 636 rwhp and 581 rwt

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