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    Nice thread. Have the stock bmw drive-train parts been beefed up to handle the increased torque from the diesels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpmaster View Post
    Hmmm, so is that a general consensus that the C6 Z06 is overestimated? I would've thought the contrary...
    Well, that dyno is at best making an educated guess as to the flywheel HP. You can't truly measure flywheel power at the wheels, period.

    And that 535d is beautiful. Wish we could get more diesels on this side of the pond, for sure.
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    man i would love to but my bug on a dyno... nice pics

    also - do i live under a rock? i've never seen / heard of the new scirocco

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    epic thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by camshaft View Post
    Nice thread. Have the stock bmw drive-train parts been beefed up to handle the increased torque from the diesels?

    Austin

    i would have to assume so.
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    I see Sal and Imran have been real busy with the diesels

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    Quote Originally Posted by multiplex View Post
    also - do i live under a rock? i've never seen / heard of the new scirocco
    Yes....

    Been tons of pics and info for months.......

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    Gawd, i've always had dreams of building a diesel for the track. Nothing like 500ftlbs to pull you out of turns! Plus, with 300+HP, that'll be no slouch! Like running an old school 502ci in your ride!!!

    I'm amazed that no one mentioned the obvious, too. Nothing better than having 300+hp and 500ftlbs on tap and still get 36mpg!!!
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    Check this AUDI A3 TDI




    750hp with 627 lb/ft of torque on the engine dyno

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    that 2nd pic is definitely a gas engine. look at the injectors and custom fuel rail. diesels have rail pressures upwards of 50,000psi nowaways, and AN fittings are a little underrated for that pressure! sweet ride, though.
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    Didn't read far enough to find if someone said it, but they do sell the diesals here now, just check bmwusa.com
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    wow thatīs impressive

    I have a E90 320D with a bigger turbo, bigger injectors, bigger intercooler, straight exhaust and remap and itīs making 267hp! and 583NM... i think thatīs the torque number... donīt remember

    itīs a really nice ride and I love the 6speed manual!




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    Quote Originally Posted by kendogg View Post
    God I hate the US gov'ment. GIVE US DIESELS YOU OIL-OWNED AZZHATS!!!!!
    Diesel is made from...you guessed it...oil. The crude oil arrives at the refiner in the exact same condition and only then becomes either gasoline or diesel. The lack of diesels here in the US has nothing to do with our government being under some super secret decoder ring control by the evil oil companies.

    It's actually environmentalists who have kept diesels away. Diesels, while getting better gas mileage, have always been dirtier. Newer technologies are changing that problem. Honda only recently produced a diesel after it was able to come up with a design that met their own green standards.

    It was a BIG DEAL recently when California approved the VW TDI and the Mercedes Bluetec for sale in their state. The 2009 TDI was the first diesel car available for sale in all 50 states in quite a few years. You couldn't buy any diesel cars in California...only a diesel pickup truck because trucks are subject to less stringent emissions laws.

    Probably better to know who to call an AZZHAT before you go around calling people AZZHATs. It's the environmentalists who have kept diesels out of the US, not the oil companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.Watts View Post
    Diesel is made from...you guessed it...oil. The crude oil arrives at the refiner in the exact same condition and only then becomes either gasoline or diesel. The lack of diesels here in the US has nothing to do with our government being under some super secret decoder ring control by the evil oil companies.

    It's actually environmentalists who have kept diesels away. Diesels, while getting better gas mileage, have always been dirtier. Newer technologies are changing that problem. Honda only recently produced a diesel after it was able to come up with a design that met their own green standards.

    It was a BIG DEAL recently when California approved the VW TDI and the Mercedes Bluetec for sale in their state. The 2009 TDI was the first diesel car available for sale in all 50 states in quite a few years. You couldn't buy any diesel cars in California...only a diesel pickup truck because trucks are subject to less stringent emissions laws.

    Probably better to know who to call an AZZHAT before you go around calling people AZZHATs. It's the environmentalists who have kept diesels out of the US, not the oil companies.

    Bryan, I know the tree huggers have been a huge part of it. However, Big Oil has kept diesels out of the US due to the superior fuel economy of them.

    I'll put my tin foil hat on over here

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    Quote Originally Posted by valli222 View Post
    wow thatīs impressive

    I have a E90 320D with a bigger turbo, bigger injectors, bigger intercooler, straight exhaust and remap and itīs making 267hp! and 583NM... i think thatīs the torque number... donīt remember

    itīs a really nice ride and I love the 6speed manual!
    Hi,

    Can you tell me more about your modifications. I got currently 228 HP and 438 Nm - stage 2 - and I'd like to get a bigger intercooler, bigger turbo,...Thanks.

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    That is sweet! Here is more my style.

    12 valve 5.9L cummins, first stage turbo = 102mm, secound stage turbo = 76mm, maximum boost = 150psi, 14mm head and main studs, dry block, 1500+ hp on diesel @ 5000 rpms


    12 valve 5.9L cummins, compound turbo's, 6900 lbs, 1000 rwhp diesel only, 1450rwhp with methanol and nitrous, 10.43@131 mph (no nitrous)


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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQGJW0Iy37Q[/ame]

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    Wow, 10k pound load and can still beat a Honda off the line

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    Awesome thread! Diesels are the way instead of these hybrids, but it doesn't look like diesel will take off here. Huge power, but not only would I miss the sound of the gasoline engines, I would miss revving it out. It's so much fun and enjoyment taking an angine to 7,000 rpm, and what a great experience taking it 8300 or 9000 in an M5 or S2000. That's the one thing with the diesels that would drive me nuts, no revs. Muscle car guys should love them though.

    That VW Scirocco looks sweet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abradic View Post
    Awesome thread! Diesels are the way instead of these hybrids, but it doesn't look like diesel will take off here. Huge power, but not only would I miss the sound of the gasoline engines, I would miss revving it out. It's so much fun and enjoyment taking an angine to 7,000 rpm, and what a great experience taking it 8300 or 9000 in an M5 or S2000. That's the one thing with the diesels that would drive me nuts, no revs. Muscle car guys should love them though.

    That VW Scirocco looks sweet.
    Check out this diesel... We were reving it to 6800 ish

    http://millerperformancecars.com/med...eo&video_id=17

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brody View Post
    Check out this diesel... We were reving it to 6800 ish

    http://millerperformancecars.com/med...eo&video_id=17
    Interesting dyno. For most diesels it seems like you don't want to rev too high so you can stay in the sweet spot which is low rpm. This car seemed to make and hold power up top. Usually when I have seen a diesel dyno you see it all start to dip as you approach the 4500 or 5000 redline.
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    Current with 85mm pulley and meth: 450 whp 365 wtq @ 13 psi on a Dynojet at Performance Eurowerks in Buffalo Grove, IL.
    Previous: AA Mustang Dyno Tuned in Miami, FL @ 10 psi on 93 pump made 392whp 325wtq (
    Performance Eurowerks Dynojet in Buffalo Grove, IL was 410 whp and 325 wtq @ 10 psi)

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    Guys,

    Regarding the sound, check my Diesel One, you're gonna be surprised:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtqD-TTxtJI[/ame]


    My car, see below FYI

    http://www.bmw-one.com/phpbb3/viewto...t=2224&start=0

    I will upgrade it to the stage 3: 260 HP min & 290 HP max...Wait & see. European Diesel Power!

    If anybody has idea's I can move forward to the modifications, please be my guest to help, although ShifTech Engineering (Belgium) is gonna find the way to break records anyway...Thanks.

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    Wow. That's incredibly awesome sounding. NICE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirzepp View Post
    Wow. That's incredibly awesome sounding. NICE.
    ...for a Diesel, it is, yes. Thanks.

    (Of course nothing to compare with a beautiful M3 sound...)
    Last edited by GETU; 02-02-2010 at 07:31 PM.

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    Wow dude killer noises from that one. I love it. Its really the perfect daily car. Great tq, great gas mileage and if you can get it to sound like that why not?
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    Thanks for your comment So Live! As you say, this is a great car for daily use, at least in Europe.

    Herebelow the conversion liter/km vs. gallon/mile :

    For a trip Brussels - Amsterdam (distance about 154 miles/250 kms) at a cruising speed of 80 miles/hour (130 km/h), my car has a consumption of exactly 5 liters for 100 kms, no more no less. In other words, 18.92 gallons/62 miles. Or to make it easier for you 30.51 gallons/100 miles.

    I used the following conversion hoping that I'm right...
    1 Liter = 3.78 gallons
    1 Km = 0.61 miles

    So I can tell you that for the Power I got (227 HP from a 2.0 L engine), that's just amazing...As we say in French (although I'm Belgian): "Vive BMW !!!". All other competitors, even Mercedes or Audi are behind with such results. It's also good for the wallet/money ;-)

    FYI - 1 liter Diesel in Belgium is between 1.26$ & 1,54$(0.90 EUR & 1.10 EUR)

    My topspeed is (on German road of course):
    249 km/h Garmin GPS (more than 260 km/h on the dashboard)
    153 miles/hour

    I'm even faster than a 530d or 123d :-)

    0-60 m/h: 6.6 sec.
    50-100 m/h: 8.8 sec.
    1/4 mile: 14.8 sec or even less, depending on the quality of the road.
    Last edited by GETU; 02-03-2010 at 03:09 PM.

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