-UPDATE-
July 6, 2008 -1:40AM-

Due to time constraints for insurance approval, the August 2nd event will be postponed. Please do not send payment at this moment. For those who have already sent payment. I will send you guys a PM.

Alright guys, here are the details. The lot rental has been approved.

What: Private Autocross (Kinda)
Where: 9001 Arlington Blvd., Fairfax, VA 22031
When: POSTPONED
Cost: TBA

Here is the list of people who have shown interest in participating. They have priority over any additional people wanting to register until July 6, 2008.

REGISTRATION WILL BE CAPPED AT 40 PEOPLE!!!
1. LaunchBackwards - 2005 Black BMW 330i
2. ecer1 - 2006 Silver Gray M5
3. joenationwide - 1995 Hellrot BMW M3 (bf.c)
4. sKunkman - 1998 Silver BMW 328i (bf.c)
5. datax - 2004 White Porsche GT3 (6speed)
6. SEAN_996 - 2002 Blue Porsche Turbo (6speed)
7. M3-peat - 2003 Blue BMW M3 (m3forum)
8. paeshius - 2008 Monaco BMW 335i (e90post)
9. Elements018 - 1997 Alpine White BMW M3 (bf.c)
10. Pino - Brilliantrot E30 (bf.c)
11. jbrannon7 - 2000 Silver M roadster (bf.c)
12. ZUUD bye +3 - 1996 Green Z3 Roadster (bf.c)
13. joeygill - 1993 325i (bf.c)
14. 1996BMW328I - 1999 M Coupe (bf.c)
15. gimp +2 - 1996 BMW 318ti(bf.c)
16. The Man - 1998 BMW 323i(bf.c)
17. odortiz - 1995 White BMW M3 (bf.c)
18. omegaraceshop - 1992 Honda Civic (bf.c)
19. RRT (bf.c)
20. Mr.F1 Fan - 2008 Monaco 335i (e90post)
21. Nihilation - White SS of Ignorance (bf.c)
22. Scottz71 - 2007 Space Gray 335i e92 (e90post)
23. Sammyzuko - 1997 BMW M3 Red (bf.c)
24. bagher - 2002 Steel Gray BMW M3 (e46f)
25. 07-335xi - 2007 Black Saph. 335xi e90 (e90post)
26. lrg8683 - 2000 Black Audi S4 (e46f)
27. MaxL - 2007 Montego blue 335xi (e90post)
28. JuniorDee - 2008 Jet Black M3 (e90post)
29. dreamdrivedrift - 2000 Jet Black BMW 328i (e46f)
30. novaboi323i 2000 jet black 323i (e46f)
31. Laxbmw17 - 1995 AW M3 (m3forum)
32. RealSenaii - 2008 M3 (e90post)
33. platnumdesi01 - 2004 330ci zhp (e46f)
34. pyo - 2000 TiAg 328i (e46f)
35. Bavarian19 - Space Gray 328 (E90post)
36. M3Punk - 1995 Boston Green M3 (bf.c)
37. ohnoes - 2002 Silver M3 (bf.c)
38. F M 3 - 2006 CB M3 (m3forum) - spec/cw
39. Carnag3 (m3forum)
40. TJ_GUNZ (m3forum)
41. TMNT - 2004 steel gray 330ci ZHP (E90post)
42. yeomgon (bf.c)

Due to the nature of the event, you MUST pay when you register. You can pay via cash, check, or paypal (CC is accepted as well via paypal, (you do not need an account).

I will PM everyone on this list with my info. CHECK YOUR PMS!!! Post in this thread, if you do not receive a PM.

Thanks,
-David




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I'm currently trying to work out a lot rental with the Kena Shrine, if you guys have heard of them. It's basically the twice the length of the Harry Grove lot, but only half as wide.

Nothing is final yet, but I'm trying to gauge how many participants there would be.

Here's a general mockup:
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/275/autoxsetupkenazh6.jpg

Any advice/tips on the course layout, etc. would be MUCH appreciated.

-David

interest, depending on date. Could have maybe 3 interest.

interest, depending on date. Could have maybe 3 interest.
I requested Sat/Sun. Date or price, I have no clue at this point.

that would be sweet, i would be down. Any idea how much this would cost? thanks

This could be fun ... I'd be in (price/date dependent of course).

I would be interested in the date and cost.

My only concern would be safety. If you're not going through an organization, how do you plan to get insurance to CYA? Also, there doesn't seem to be enough runoff room throughout the course. Also, the finish is aimed right at the start ... what happens when stuff goes incredibly wrong and the car can't stop???

Just my $.02.

I don't think that lot is a good candidate for autocrossing.

I could have you at least two depending on date/cost.

Yikes.

I might go depending on cost

Looks very unsafe.

I imagine myself running that course (how it's drawn out) and :rofl:

Is it really that big? I don't think it would be a good idea though.

It's about 300x120ft or so.

The lot has no poles or anything. Ignore that course layout, it was just an example. Although, the finish is about 150 feet before the start line. Also, the pre grid would wait in that enclave away from the line of the finish line, in case something went horribly wrong, accelerator instead of brakes and WOT all the way. :rofl

We might run this thing through an organization as well, most of it is up in the air at this point.

Thanks for the feedback so far guys. I will look into the insurance thing, along with waivers.

I'm capping the entrants to 20-30 guys at most. Price will probably be $20-$30 for 12-18 minutes of runs for each person plus an untimed run for the last hour.

So, far the guy is willing to put this idea through to the local committee, it would be another month before I can lock in any kind of date...if it clears.

I would like building a list of interested folks ahead of time.

-David

Bird's Eye View found by Superman07 on m3forum:
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=qg9hz78jvwpp&style=b&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=3213887&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
I imagine myself running that course (how it's drawn out) and :rofl:

Is it really that big? I don't think it would be a good idea though.

It's probably going to be some time in June/July on a Thurs, Fri, Sat, or Sun.

Let's get a general interested list going on.

1. LaunchBackwards - 2005 Black BMW 330i
2. ecer1 - 2006 Silver Gray BMW M5
3. joenationwide - 1995 Hellrot BMW M3 (bf.c)
4. sKunkman - 1998 Silver BMW 328i (bf.c)
5. datax - 2004 White Porsche GT3 (6speed)
6. SEAN_996 - 2002 Blue Porsche Turbo (6speed)

You may want to consider all the official, sanctioned events in the area when planning a date ...

I will definitely schedule around the official events.
You may want to consider all the official, sanctioned events in the area when planning a date ...

I would also check with the police dept, both local and state. An autox I attended several years back in Springfield got 'visited' by police. Lot we were using was a high school lot, and the organizers (experienced and well-established group) had permission from the county and school. I can't remember if it was state police or FFX county police, but they told us any activity that could be construed as 'reckless driving' is not allowed no matter what permits we have. Some of us were even threatened with tickets.

I was already planning on contacting the FFX Police and getting their permission. Thanks for the heads up though.
I would also check with the police dept, both local and state. An autox I attended several years back in Springfield got 'visited' by police. Lot we were using was a high school lot, and the organizers (experienced and well-established group) had permission from the county and school. I can't remember if it was state police or FFX county police, but they told us any activity that could be construed as 'reckless driving' is not allowed no matter what permits we have. Some of us were even threatened with tickets.

I would also check with the police dept, both local and state. An autox I attended several years back in Springfield got 'visited' by police. Lot we were using was a high school lot, and the organizers (experienced and well-established group) had permission from the county and school. I can't remember if it was state police or FFX county police, but they told us any activity that could be construed as 'reckless driving' is not allowed no matter what permits we have. Some of us were even threatened with tickets.

I'll ask my neighbor if I see him this weekend (Loudoun County Sheriff) and get his take on it.

I'll ask my neighbor if I see him this weekend (Loudoun County Sheriff) and get his take on it.
Thanks Jon. I think technically they can't give you tickets or anything, but it will be good to get their endorsement anyway to keep good relations.

It's about 300x120ft or so.



Wow, thats small. I just looked at the Sykesville Lot which is also on the "smaller" side, and it is 600x300ft.

EDIT: The lot measures 150x800' on Google Earth. This might be OK. The course would have to be a "down and back" type of course, which is still fun.

An autox I attended several years back in Springfield got 'visited' by police. Lot we were using was a high school lot, and the organizers (experienced and well-established group) had permission from the county and school. I can't remember if it was state police or FFX county police, but they told us any activity that could be construed as 'reckless driving' is not allowed no matter what permits we have. Some of us were even threatened with tickets.


Wow, some cops are total cocks! :mad

They were going to issue tickets for our 'driving recklessly' and for wearing helmets while operating a car. Yeah, I know. :/

Might be different if this is a private lot.

They were going to issue tickets for our 'driving recklessly' and for wearing helmets while operating a car. Yeah, I know. :/

Might be different if this is a private lot.
:rofl:

Scott, if you could roll around some time during the week, we can check out the lot and see if it's fit for autox.

1. LaunchBackwards - 2005 Black BMW 330i
2. ecer1 - 2006 Silver Gray BMW M5
3. joenationwide - 1995 Hellrot BMW M3 (bf.c)
4. sKunkman - 1998 Silver BMW 328i (bf.c)
5. datax - 2004 White Porsche GT3 (6speed)
6. SEAN_996 - 2002 Blue Porsche Turbo (6speed)
7. M3-peat - 2003 Blue BMW M3 (m3forum)
8. paeshius - 2008 Monaco BMW 335i (e90post)

1. LaunchBackwards - 2005 Black BMW 330i
2. ecer1 - 2006 Silver Gray BMW M5
3. joenationwide - 1995 Hellrot BMW M3 (bf.c)
4. sKunkman - 1998 Silver BMW 328i (bf.c)
5. datax - 2004 White Porsche GT3 (6speed)
6. SEAN_996 - 2002 Blue Porsche Turbo (6speed)
7. M3-peat - 2003 Blue BMW M3 (m3forum)
8. paeshius - 2008 Monaco BMW 335i (e90post)
9. jbrannon7 - 2000 M Roadster

I am interested, Living in Fairfax County sucks. They are the most Politically Correct bunch of A-Holes outside California.

They give 10,000 acres to the Horsie Set but not 1 square foot for any hobby that uses an engine.

Joe

i'd prolly be interested depending on the date. if it's a private lot and you have permission from the owner, the cops cant give traffic violations there.

We might run this thing through an organization as well, most of it is up in the air at this point.

Thanks for the feedback so far guys. I will look into the insurance thing, along with waivers.


NASA-MA just volunteered to provide sanctioning/insurance/cones/gear... if the lot is safe.

Jon

I would definitely be interested.

too bad the Fairfax County Police training track won't rent out.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l299/omegaraceshop/FFXpolicetrack.jpg

1. LaunchBackwards - 2005 Black BMW 330i
2. ecer1 - 2006 Silver Gray BMW M5
3. joenationwide - 1995 Hellrot BMW M3 (bf.c)
4. sKunkman - 1998 Silver BMW 328i (bf.c)
5. datax - 2004 White Porsche GT3 (6speed)
6. SEAN_996 - 2002 Blue Porsche Turbo (6speed)
7. M3-peat - 2003 Blue BMW M3 (m3forum)
8. paeshius - 2008 Monaco BMW 335i (e90post)
9. Elements018 - 1997 BMW M3 (bf.c)

Depending on dates, we might be interested in showing up for some fun...

I would definitely be interested.

too bad the Fairfax County Police training track won't rent out.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l299/omegaraceshop/FFXpolicetrack.jpg

Love that straight and you could probably get over 100mph, if you tried hard enough.

Looks as if there arent any lightpoles.
Count me in.

:)

Guys, this is a general list, please edit/add vehicle, color, and number preference accordingly. Also, I added the lazy people's info for them, please add your own for any future guys.
1. LaunchBackwards - 2005 Black BMW 330i
2. ecer1 - 2006 Silver Gray BMW M5
3. joenationwide - 1995 Hellrot BMW M3 (bf.c)
4. sKunkman - 1998 Silver BMW 328i (bf.c)
5. datax - 2004 White Porsche GT3 (6speed)
6. SEAN_996 - 2002 Blue Porsche Turbo (6speed)
7. M3-peat - 2003 Blue BMW M3 (m3forum)
8. paeshius - 2008 Monaco BMW 335i (e90post)
9. Elements018 - 1997 Alpine White BMW M3 (bf.c)
10. Pino - Brilliantrot E30 (bf.c)
11. jbrannon7 - 2000 Silver M roadster (bf.c)
12. ZUUD bye +3 - 1996 Green Z3 Roadster (bf.c)
13. joeygill - 1993 325i (bf.c)
14. 1996BMW328I - 1999 M Coupe (bf.c)
15. gimp +2 - 1996 BMW 318ti(bf.c)
16. The Man - 1998 BMW 323i(bf.c)
17. odortiz - 1995 White BMW M3 (bf.c)
18. omegaraceshop - 1992 Honda Civic (bf.c)
19. RRT (bf.c)
20. Mr.F1 Fan - 2008 Monaco 335i (e90post)

Add me up David.

:rofl:
Guys, this is a general list, please edit/add vehicle, color, and number preference accordingly. Also, I added the lazy people's info for them, please add your own for any future guys.
1. LaunchBackwards - 2005 Black BMW 330i
2. ecer1 - 2006 Silver Gray BMW M5 (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=999970#)
3. joenationwide - 1995 Hellrot BMW M3 (bf.c)
4. sKunkman - 1998 Silver BMW 328i (bf.c)
5. datax - 2004 White Porsche GT3 (6speed)
6. SEAN_996 - 2002 Blue Porsche Turbo (6speed)
7. M3-peat - 2003 Blue BMW M3 (m3forum)
8. paeshius - 2008 Monaco BMW 335i (e90post)
9. Elements018 - 1997 Alpine White BMW M3 (bf.c)
10. Pino - Brilliantrot E30 (bf.c)
11. jbrannon7 - 2000 Silver M roadster (bf.c)
12. ZUUD bye +3 - 1996 Green Z3 Roadster (bf.c)
13. joeygill - 1993 325i (bf.c)
14. 1996BMW328I - 1999 M Coupe (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=999970#) (bf.c)
15. gimp +2 - 1996 BMW 318ti(bf.c)
16. The Man - 1998 BMW 323i(bf.c)
17. odortiz - 1995 White BMW M3 (bf.c)
18. omegaraceshop - 1992 Honda Civic (bf.c)
19. RRT (bf.c)
20. Mr.F1 Fan - 2008 Monaco 335i (e90post)
21. Nihilation - White SS of Ignorance (bf.c)

I know the course you posted is only an example, but it's not very realistic in terms of safe runoff room. The cones there are placed right near the edge of the lot. The turnarounds, roundabouts and slaloms are way too tight. When you put a realistic course design on that lot, I don't think it'll be very fun or interesting.

John V, you are such a downer. I'll just change this whole thing into a gymkhana, it'll be so interesting that your yellow head will esplodedish.

Guys, this is a general list, please edit/add vehicle, color, and number preference accordingly. Also, I added the lazy people's info for them, please add your own for any future guys.
1. LaunchBackwards - 2005 Black BMW 330i
2. ecer1 - 2006 Silver Gray BMW M5 (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=999970#)
3. joenationwide - 1995 Hellrot BMW M3 (bf.c)
4. sKunkman - 1998 Silver BMW 328i (bf.c)
5. datax - 2004 White Porsche GT3 (6speed)
6. SEAN_996 - 2002 Blue Porsche Turbo (6speed)
7. M3-peat - 2003 Blue BMW M3 (m3forum)
8. paeshius - 2008 Monaco BMW 335i (e90post)
9. Elements018 - 1997 Alpine White BMW M3 (bf.c)
10. Pino - Brilliantrot E30 (bf.c)
11. jbrannon7 - 2000 Silver M roadster (bf.c)
12. ZUUD bye +3 - 1996 Green Z3 Roadster (bf.c)
13. joeygill - 1993 325i (bf.c)
14. 1996BMW328I - 1999 M Coupe (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=999970#) (bf.c)
15. gimp +2 - 1996 BMW 318ti(bf.c)
16. The Man - 1998 BMW 323i(bf.c)
17. odortiz - 1995 White BMW M3 (bf.c)
18. omegaraceshop - 1992 Honda Civic (bf.c)
19. RRT (bf.c)
20. Mr.F1 Fan - 2008 Monaco 335i (e90post)
21. Nihilation - White SS of Ignorance (bf.c)
22. Scottz71 - 2007 Space Gray 335i e92 (e90post)

drift-cross?!?!?!?!?

drift-cross?!?!?!?!?
That's what the fun run hour is for. :devillook

1. LaunchBackwards - 2005 Black BMW 330i
2. ecer1 - 2006 Silver Gray BMW M5 (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=999970#)
3. joenationwide - 1995 Hellrot BMW M3 (bf.c)
4. sKunkman - 1998 Silver BMW 328i (bf.c)
5. datax - 2004 White Porsche GT3 (6speed)
6. SEAN_996 - 2002 Blue Porsche Turbo (6speed)
7. M3-peat - 2003 Blue BMW M3 (m3forum)
8. paeshius - 2008 Monaco BMW 335i (e90post)
9. Elements018 - 1997 Alpine White BMW M3 (bf.c)
10. Pino - Brilliantrot E30 (bf.c)
11. jbrannon7 - 2000 Silver M roadster (bf.c)
12. ZUUD bye +3 - 1996 Green Z3 Roadster (bf.c)
13. joeygill - 1993 325i (bf.c)
14. 1996BMW328I - 1999 M Coupe (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=999970#) (bf.c)
15. gimp +2 - 1996 BMW 318ti(bf.c)
16. The Man - 1998 BMW 323i(bf.c)
17. odortiz - 1995 White BMW M3 (bf.c)
18. omegaraceshop - 1992 Honda Civic (bf.c)
19. RRT (bf.c)
20. Mr.F1 Fan - 2008 Monaco 335i (e90post)
21. Nihilation - White SS of Ignorance (bf.c)
22. Scottz71 - 2007 Space Gray 335i e92 (e90post)
23. Sammyzuko - 1997 BMW M3 Red (bf.c)

1. LaunchBackwards - 2005 Black BMW 330i
2. ecer1 - 2006 Silver Gray M5 (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=999970#)
3. joenationwide - 1995 Hellrot BMW M3 (bf.c)
4. sKunkman - 1998 Silver BMW 328i (bf.c)
5. datax - 2004 White Porsche GT3 (6speed)
6. SEAN_996 - 2002 Blue Porsche Turbo (6speed)
7. M3-peat - 2003 Blue BMW M3 (m3forum)
8. paeshius - 2008 Monaco BMW 335i (e90post)
9. Elements018 - 1997 Alpine White BMW M3 (bf.c)
10. Pino - Brilliantrot E30 (bf.c)
11. jbrannon7 - 2000 Silver M roadster (bf.c)
12. ZUUD bye +3 - 1996 Green Z3 Roadster (bf.c)
13. joeygill - 1993 325i (bf.c)
14. 1996BMW328I - 1999 M Coupe (bf.c)
15. gimp +2 - 1996 BMW 318ti(bf.c)
16. The Man - 1998 BMW 323i(bf.c)
17. odortiz - 1995 White BMW M3 (bf.c)
18. omegaraceshop - 1992 Honda Civic (bf.c)
19. RRT (bf.c)
20. Mr.F1 Fan - 2008 Monaco 335i (e90post)
21. Nihilation - White SS of Ignorance (bf.c)
22. Scottz71 - 2007 Space Gray 335i e92 (e90post)
23. Sammyzuko - 1997 BMW M3 Red (bf.c)
24. bagher - 2002 Steel Gray BMW M3 (e46f)
25. 07-335xi - 2007 Black Saph. 335xi e90 (e90post)

John V, you are such a downer. I'll just change this whole thing into a gymkhana, it'll be so interesting that your yellow head will esplodedish.

I'm just concerned about it being safe. The example course you posted wouldn't be safe, and there isn't a lot of room there to MAKE it safe.

Don't be so worried. The lot will be checked to see if it's auto-worthy, before anything gets set in stone.
I'm just concerned about it being safe. The example course you posted wouldn't be safe, and there isn't a lot of room there to MAKE it safe.

1. LaunchBackwards - 2005 Black BMW 330i
2. ecer1 - 2006 Silver Gray M5
3. joenationwide - 1995 Hellrot BMW M3 (bf.c)
4. sKunkman - 1998 Silver BMW 328i (bf.c)
5. datax - 2004 White Porsche GT3 (6speed)
6. SEAN_996 - 2002 Blue Porsche Turbo (6speed)
7. M3-peat - 2003 Blue BMW M3 (m3forum)
8. paeshius - 2008 Monaco BMW 335i (e90post)
9. Elements018 - 1997 Alpine White BMW M3 (bf.c)
10. Pino - Brilliantrot E30 (bf.c)
11. jbrannon7 - 2000 Silver M roadster (bf.c)
12. ZUUD bye +3 - 1996 Green Z3 Roadster (bf.c)
13. joeygill - 1993 325i (bf.c)
14. 1996BMW328I - 1999 M Coupe (bf.c)
15. gimp +2 - 1996 BMW 318ti(bf.c)
16. The Man - 1998 BMW 323i(bf.c)
17. odortiz - 1995 White BMW M3 (bf.c)
18. omegaraceshop - 1992 Honda Civic (bf.c)
19. RRT (bf.c)
20. Mr.F1 Fan - 2008 Monaco 335i (e90post)
21. Nihilation - White SS of Ignorance (bf.c)
22. Scottz71 - 2007 Space Gray 335i e92 (e90post)
23. Sammyzuko - 1997 BMW M3 Red (bf.c)
24. bagher - 2002 Steel Gray BMW M3 (e46f)
25. 07-335xi - 2007 Black Saph. 335xi e90 (e90post)
26. lrg8683 - 2000 Black Audi S4 (e46f)

By whom? And how will you be defining safe?

I know the course you posted is only an example, but it's not very realistic in terms of safe runoff room. The cones there are placed right near the edge of the lot. The turnarounds, roundabouts and slaloms are way too tight. When you put a realistic course design on that lot, I don't think it'll be very fun or interesting.

Youre only option is a "down and back" type course, like the ones on tight but long airstrips (like Warminster, PA). I think it could work maybe with several slaloms, chicanes, offsets, with a 180 at the end of the course that brings you back down.

Youre only option is a "down and back" type course, like the ones on tight but long airstrips (like Warminster, PA). I think it could work maybe with several slaloms, chicanes, offsets, with a 180 at the end of the course that brings you back down.

Your only option...

I was hoping you and Mr. V could please visit the lot and deem the lot okay by your standards.

By whom? And how will you be defining safe?

1. LaunchBackwards - 2005 Black BMW 330i
2. ecer1 - 2006 Silver Gray M5
3. joenationwide - 1995 Hellrot BMW M3 (bf.c)
4. sKunkman - 1998 Silver BMW 328i (bf.c)
5. datax - 2004 White Porsche GT3 (6speed)
6. SEAN_996 - 2002 Blue Porsche Turbo (6speed)
7. M3-peat - 2003 Blue BMW M3 (m3forum)
8. paeshius - 2008 Monaco BMW 335i (e90post)
9. Elements018 - 1997 Alpine White BMW M3 (bf.c)
10. Pino - Brilliantrot E30 (bf.c)
11. jbrannon7 - 2000 Silver M roadster (bf.c)
12. ZUUD bye +3 - 1996 Green Z3 Roadster (bf.c)
13. joeygill - 1993 325i (bf.c)
14. 1996BMW328I - 1999 M Coupe (bf.c)
15. gimp +2 - 1996 BMW 318ti(bf.c)
16. The Man - 1998 BMW 323i(bf.c)
17. odortiz - 1995 White BMW M3 (bf.c)
18. omegaraceshop - 1992 Honda Civic (bf.c)
19. RRT (bf.c)
20. Mr.F1 Fan - 2008 Monaco 335i (e90post)
21. Nihilation - White SS of Ignorance (bf.c)
22. Scottz71 - 2007 Space Gray 335i e92 (e90post)
23. Sammyzuko - 1997 BMW M3 Red (bf.c)
24. bagher - 2002 Steel Gray BMW M3 (e46f)
25. 07-335xi - 2007 Black Saph. 335xi e90 (e90post)
26. lrg8683 - 2000 Black Audi S4 (e46f)
27. MaxL - 2007 Montego blue 335xi (e90post)

New design:
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5498/newautoxcg2.jpg

:rofl

I was hoping you and Mr. V could please visit the lot and deem the lot okay by your standards.

I hope you are not being sarcastic. Nick and John are only providing input because of potential safety issues they want you to be aware of. Plus, since JV designs the courses for BMWCCA - it would be prudent to listen to his advice. If we can find another venue for autocross, especially in VA, that would be great -- but, you have to remember:

Is it 'safe' for 'seasoned' autocrossers only, or is it safe for someone who has never been to an autocross and will be driving like an a$$ to try and impress his friends or others?

Even though the latter is a remote chance - you have to consider the person with the 500 hp car that might not be able to handle it properly.

I was being sarcastic, but I thought MAR folks can handle a little sarcasm, no? :)

However, I completely understand their safety concerns. Like I said, absolutely nothing is final yet, and this is still just an idea right now. The list is to generate interest ahead of time, this isn't a list for committed folks.

All I would like is for whoever is experienced at autox designs to at least look at the lot in person to designate whether it's plausible some kind of course can be put on there. Interesting/fun is subjective, so that really isn't a concern of mine.

If there could be a boring, slower paced course setup to introduce local guys who wouldn't try it otherwise, at a bargain price for a good amount of runs, WHILE being safe...hey, that's fine by me.

Obviously, risk is apparent in any form of performance driving. This lot at least doesn't have steel poles that many of the other lots have.
I hope you are not being sarcastic. Nick and John are only providing input because of potential safety issues they want you to be aware of. Plus, since JV designs the courses for BMWCCA - it would be prudent to listen to his advice. If we can find another venue for autocross, especially in VA, that would be great -- but, you have to remember:

Is it 'safe' for 'seasoned' autocrossers only, or is it safe for someone who has never been to an autocross and will be driving like an a$$ to try and impress his friends or others?

Even though the latter is a remote chance - you have to consider the person with the 500 hp car that might not be able to handle it properly.

Youre only option is a "down and back" type course, like the ones on tight but long airstrips (like Warminster, PA). I think it could work maybe with several slaloms, chicanes, offsets, with a 180 at the end of the course that brings you back down.

Warminster is another venue I'm not exactly a fan of, but mostly because of how Philly region lays out courses there.

But to Warminster's credit, it has lots of grassy runoff. If someone were to go off course the chances of them hitting anything are pretty slim. I'll shut up now and stop being a "downer."

Warminster is another venue I'm not exactly a fan of, but mostly because of how Philly region lays out courses there.

But to Warminster's credit, it has lots of grassy runoff. If someone were to go off course the chances of them hitting anything are pretty slim. I'll shut up now and stop being a "downer."
John, I was just busting your balls about the whole downer thing. ;)

I'm going to check out the lot in detail in a hour. I will post some pictures.

1. LaunchBackwards - 2005 Black BMW 330i
2. ecer1 - 2006 Silver Gray M5
3. joenationwide - 1995 Hellrot BMW M3 (bf.c)
4. sKunkman - 1998 Silver BMW 328i (bf.c)
5. datax - 2004 White Porsche GT3 (6speed)
6. SEAN_996 - 2002 Blue Porsche Turbo (6speed)
7. M3-peat - 2003 Blue BMW M3 (m3forum)
8. paeshius - 2008 Monaco BMW 335i (e90post)
9. Elements018 - 1997 Alpine White BMW M3 (bf.c)
10. Pino - Brilliantrot E30 (bf.c)
11. jbrannon7 - 2000 Silver M roadster (bf.c)
12. ZUUD bye +3 - 1996 Green Z3 Roadster (bf.c)
13. joeygill - 1993 325i (bf.c)
14. 1996BMW328I - 1999 M Coupe (bf.c)
15. gimp +2 - 1996 BMW 318ti(bf.c)
16. The Man - 1998 BMW 323i(bf.c)
17. odortiz - 1995 White BMW M3 (bf.c)
18. omegaraceshop - 1992 Honda Civic (bf.c)
19. RRT (bf.c)
20. Mr.F1 Fan - 2008 Monaco 335i (e90post)
21. Nihilation - White SS of Ignorance (bf.c)
22. Scottz71 - 2007 Space Gray 335i e92 (e90post)
23. Sammyzuko - 1997 BMW M3 Red (bf.c)
24. bagher - 2002 Steel Gray BMW M3 (e46f)
25. 07-335xi - 2007 Black Saph. 335xi e90 (e90post)
26. lrg8683 - 2000 Black Audi S4 (e46f)
27. MaxL - 2007 Montego blue 335xi (e90post)
28. JuniorDee - 2008 Jet Black M3 (e90post)
29. dreamdrivedrift - 2000 Jet Black BMW 328i (e46f)
30. novaboi323i 2000 jet black 323i (e46f)

Another good site that we researched some this winter is ODS (Old Dominion Speedway) in Manassas. Corvette club used to autox there. I can give you the contact info of the guy who rents it out.

The site is an oval with the infield. Its worth looking into as well.

Oval racing is the only kinda racing! at least for real men!!

I laugh when i see Scott (joenationwide. a.k.a "cancer scott") at an autocross, eating his Quiche, walking around in his SPERRY Top siders and cute little Captains hat, his neck scarf flailing in the breeze, while sporting his religiously starched lavender button up shirt from Brooks Brothers Clothiers. Sitting in his leather fold out chair, while his slave (a.k.a "employee") works the course, picking up dirty cones from the filthy pavement. Leashed to a metal spike in the ground, just long enough to work his section.

If you ever ride along with him, just make sure you clear out his glove box. A healthy dose of throttle out of a corner, the glove box slams open, you just might get a jar of Grey Poupon to the head. It is pretty painful, but a learning experience none-the-less.

Luckily during the Polo season, he is not be be seen at any autocross events. :nono

Okay guys, here's an update:
I chatted for a while with the main rent organizer, and it went really well. I filled out a short application form and Arnie (awesome guy), told me it would take a month or so to get a final decision from the Mantua Committee. Overall, he was impressed with the power point presentation I made (yes, I made a pp presentation for autox). Things are looking excellent at this point.

Right now, the tentative date is AUGUST 2, which is a Saturday.

The whole situation with law enforcement...he told me no worries. They apparently have a really tight relationship with the local police force, so Arnie told me they shouldn't bother us at all.

The restrooms will be open for the event, and we'll probably order some pizza as lunch.

As for the lot itself. I think it's awesome. Most of it is smooth, but there are a few slightly bumpy areas, nothing too bad. There are grass run offs on the bottom of the lot (reference to my initial picture), and a little run off on the right bottom area. The pits area is a lot bigger than I thought it would be, so that's great. Pre-grid has plenty of space as well.

There is an access road behind the Kena building, so you can get in and out without affecting the autox.


Another good site that we researched some this winter is ODS (Old Dominion Speedway) in Manassas. Corvette club used to autox there. I can give you the contact info of the guy who rents it out.

The site is an oval with the infield. Its worth looking into as well.
Interestingly enough, apparently the former owner of Old Dominion was a Kena Shriner! Give me the contact info, and I'll try to work something out there as well.

-David

Pictures:
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http://i31.tinypic.com/2vufssl.jpg

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http://i26.tinypic.com/e3k2u.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/n36s7m.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/fb9r1e.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/2wefers.jpg

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Could we have a Shriner Autox class and run some of their little go karts?
the lot is plenty big enough for those!

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/dune-buggy-crashes-into-spectators/2809329440

i definitely wouldn't mess with this group of Shriners.
is that Dave Chapelle in the front car?

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l299/omegaraceshop/thug_shriners.jpg

I notice from the google earth photo that there are a number of houses real close by. I hope you don't get shut down by the police due to noise complaints.

I'd say sign me up. I'll run most anywhere at a legally sanctioned event. But Aug 2 I'll be involved in a couple of events at Summit Point.

I notice from the google earth photo that there are a number of houses real close by. I hope you don't get shut down by the police due to noise complaints.

I'd say sign me up. I'll run most anywhere at a legally sanctioned event. But Aug 2 I'll be involved in a couple of events at Summit Point.
Woody, this event has to be approved by the neighborhood committee first. I already mentioned there might be some tires screeching and aftermarket exhausts from 10AM-5:00PM. So, no worries if the event is approved.

how about something like this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/joenationwide/autox_course01.jpg

Scott, I used some of your course cues, while changing up some things.

Here's the new setup:
http://i25.tinypic.com/r1c2tu.jpg

Or:
http://i27.tinypic.com/scuhso.jpg

EDIT: Larger/Complete:
http://i28.tinypic.com/yos91.jpg

Comments/Advice would be appreciated.
how about something like this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/joenationwide/autox_course01.jpg

I like it!

Looks good

I think you have some choke points -

a) first straight - might have to be careful on how much speed can be carried -- doesn't appear to be a lot of run-off room. If enough room, maybe skid pad the bottom to cause people to slow down on the exit.

b) starting grid -- if you have cars waiting there, isn't there a danger of a car hitting a sitting car on the grid from a car running the course through that rectangular thing?

c) do you think one car only on course at a time -- it appears to be too small for 2 cars going.

d) where do course workers stand? It does not look like you have enough. especially on side with guardrail?

James

Two Consecutive Skid Pads.

This would definitely be a lot where you'd only want a single car on course at a time. make it really tight and technical. It really would not be a good site to hit any kind of high speeds.
Considering we run autox at Osbourne High School, there has to be a way to make this site work if it's available.


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l299/omegaraceshop/2_skid_pads.jpg

Subscribing.

a) I'll consider that, thanks. I don't think you'd reach critical speeds, but I'll check it out.

b) The cars will wait before the bottle neck area in the pre-grid lot, until the first car has cleared the first section.

c) Maybe after the mid straight, we could start another car. Depends on the disparity of driver speed. It wouldn't be a problem just doing one car at a time though.

d) The yellow dots in the third image rep the corner workers. I couldn't find a good spot for them on the left up/middle section. I'd have to see the across course in person.

I think you have some choke points -

a) first straight - might have to be careful on how much speed can be carried -- doesn't appear to be a lot of run-off room. If enough room, maybe skid pad the bottom to cause people to slow down on the exit.

b) starting grid -- if you have cars waiting there, isn't there a danger of a car hitting a sitting car on the grid from a car running the course through that rectangular thing?

c) do you think one car only on course at a time -- it appears to be too small for 2 cars going.

d) where do course workers stand? It does not look like you have enough. especially on side with guardrail?

James

I'll make a few more course layouts, and let's see what you guys think.

Two Consecutive Skid Pads.

This would definitely be a lot where you'd only want a single car on course at a time. make it really tight and technical. It really would not be a good site to hit any kind of high speeds.
Considering we run autox at Osbourne High School, there has to be a way to make this site work if it's available.


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l299/omegaraceshop/2_skid_pads.jpg

Potentially interested. I live in Mantua, actually (the community in which the Kena Temple is located). Unfortunately, we don't have much pull with the MCA (HOA), but I do know they are pretty diligent and efficient about getting things done. I've personally been to the Kena Temple a few times (that's my polling place, in fact) and I've driven around the lot just for fun (can you say sliding in the rain? :devillook). I personally wouldn't think it's a great candidate for auto-x, mostly because it's just very narrow. But I suppose it would work with the right design; I've actually never auto-x'd before, so I'm probably not a very good judge; but, from my experience on the lot, it's tight.

Potentially interested. I live in Mantua, actually (the community in which the Kena Temple is located). Unfortunately, we don't have much pull with the MCA (HOA), but I do know they are pretty diligent and efficient about getting things done. I've personally been to the Kena Temple a few times (that's my polling place, in fact) and I've driven around the lot just for fun (can you say sliding in the rain? :devillook). I personally wouldn't think it's a great candidate for auto-x, mostly because it's just very narrow. But I suppose it would work with the right design; I've actually never auto-x'd before, so I'm probably not a very good judge; but, from my experience on the lot, it's tight.

www.nccbmwcca.org

We have an event May 31st.

It's time to start AutoXing.

Potentially interested. I live in Mantua, actually (the community in which the Kena Temple is located). Unfortunately, we don't have much pull with the MCA (HOA), but I do know they are pretty diligent and efficient about getting things done. I've personally been to the Kena Temple a few times (that's my polling place, in fact) and I've driven around the lot just for fun (can you say sliding in the rain? :devillook). I personally wouldn't think it's a great candidate for auto-x, mostly because it's just very narrow. But I suppose it would work with the right design; I've actually never auto-x'd before, so I'm probably not a very good judge; but, from my experience on the lot, it's tight.
Is your car done yet?

I was teaching my friend how to drive stick there once, and a cop pulled us over. He was cool though and was just inquisitive at the most. I wouldn't go around sliding or pulling any stunts there in the future though. A lot of the time a cruiser will sit there, while the officer does paperwork.

www.nccbmwcca.org (http://www.nccbmwcca.org)

We have an event May 31st.

It's time to start AutoXing.

I know! It's just a matter of getting my lazy a$$ signed up and committed.

Is your car done yet?

Yep. It was done about a month ago, albeit after nearly 50 days in the shop. Absolutely ridiculous. And now it has new rattles to show (or listen to) for the, err, incident. :mad:mad:mad

I was teaching my friend how to drive stick there once, and a cop pulled us over. He was cool though and was just inquisitive at the most. I wouldn't go around sliding or pulling any stunts there in the future though. A lot of the time a cruiser will sit there, while the officer does paperwork.

I've never seen a cop there, well, maybe once, but I was there at night in my E30 318i and 325iS. :devillook Never slid around in my M3, I'd probably get a little carried away and end up hitting something. Like I said, I felt a bit constricted in that lot, it really is pretty narrow.

I know! It's just a matter of getting my lazy a$$ signed up and committed.

Well here's your invitation ...

GET YOUR LAZY @$$ SIGNED UP. :D

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l299/omegaraceshop/2_skid_pads.jpg

IMHO... too many cones, too complicated and technical for the lot size, and way too close to the edges. You'll want a bare minimum of 50 feet to any hard object, double that distance or more in fast sections and/or to the outsides of all corners and triple that distance or more after the finish. (At 30mph a car travels 44 feet per second.)

Here's an excellent resource, the SCCA's solo 2 course design handbook:

http://www.houscca.com/solo/courses/coursedesign.zip

Hope it helps,

Jon

Well here's your invitation ...

GET YOUR LAZY @$$ SIGNED UP. :D

:D

What class would my M3 with mods in sig be?

:D

What class would my M3 with mods in sig be?

You would be PSS if you plan on running street tires, or MSS with R-Comps.

No internal engine mods or weight reduction right?

You would be PSS if you plan on running street tires, or MSS with R-Comps.

No internal engine mods or weight reduction right?

Nope.

Registered. :buttrock

Less cones. bit more room away from the Edges. i don't think you'd get much faster then 45mph with this design. really no straight sections. quite a few speed killing tight chicane type coners.
the cone spacing/size is definitely not to scale.

1 person on course would be safest. which would mean less registration spots, or a longer day.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l299/omegaraceshop/2_skid_pads_v2.jpg

Problem is only one at a time since two cars staggered would still be running toward each other at some point.

Here's a revised design guys:
http://i29.tinypic.com/2r2myjd.jpg

Use fewer cones. All those walls will be mighty confusing and will require longer breaks to clean up when (not if) someone plows 'em over.

Also make the shutdown area after the finish a straight shot.

Jon

Use fewer cones. All those walls will be mighty confusing and will require longer breaks to clean up when (not if) someone plows 'em over.

Also make the shutdown area after the finish a straight shot.

Jon
Rofl, I actually just started to read that autox design pdf. I'm doing a complete redesign now.

IMHO... too many cones, too complicated and technical for the lot size, and way too close to the edges. You'll want a bare minimum of 50 feet to any hard object, double that distance or more in fast sections and/or to the outsides of all corners and triple that distance or more after the finish. (At 30mph a car travels 44 feet per second.)

Here's an excellent resource, the SCCA's solo 2 course design handbook:

http://www.houscca.com/solo/courses/coursedesign.zip

Hope it helps,

Jon

I think he said the lot was only around 150' across. That might make it difficult.

Consider having the course cross over itself (re-use some cones/gates) or have people drive the same piece in the opposite direction on their way back to the finish. That would allow you to keep the cars centered away from the grass.

---Eric

Here guys, I made a blank canvas one for you guys (but I designated start and finish line). Should make it easier for you guys to aid in design:

http://i30.tinypic.com/jhsaj7.jpg

Alright, I think this design addresses most of the issues mentioned:
http://i32.tinypic.com/2afh3c2.jpg

1. LaunchBackwards - 2005 Black BMW 330i
2. ecer1 - 2006 Silver Gray M5
3. joenationwide - 1995 Hellrot BMW M3 (bf.c)
4. sKunkman - 1998 Silver BMW 328i (bf.c)
5. datax - 2004 White Porsche GT3 (6speed)
6. SEAN_996 - 2002 Blue Porsche Turbo (6speed)
7. M3-peat - 2003 Blue BMW M3 (m3forum)
8. paeshius - 2008 Monaco BMW 335i (e90post)
9. Elements018 - 1997 Alpine White BMW M3 (bf.c)
10. Pino - Brilliantrot E30 (bf.c)
11. jbrannon7 - 2000 Silver M roadster (bf.c)
12. ZUUD bye +3 - 1996 Green Z3 Roadster (bf.c)
13. joeygill - 1993 325i (bf.c)
14. 1996BMW328I - 1999 M Coupe (bf.c)
15. gimp +2 - 1996 BMW 318ti(bf.c)
16. The Man - 1998 BMW 323i(bf.c)
17. odortiz - 1995 White BMW M3 (bf.c)
18. omegaraceshop - 1992 Honda Civic (bf.c)
19. RRT (bf.c)
20. Mr.F1 Fan - 2008 Monaco 335i (e90post)
21. Nihilation - White SS of Ignorance (bf.c)
22. Scottz71 - 2007 Space Gray 335i e92 (e90post)
23. Sammyzuko - 1997 BMW M3 Red (bf.c)
24. bagher - 2002 Steel Gray BMW M3 (e46f)
25. 07-335xi - 2007 Black Saph. 335xi e90 (e90post)
26. lrg8683 - 2000 Black Audi S4 (e46f)
27. MaxL - 2007 Montego blue 335xi (e90post)
28. JuniorDee - 2008 Jet Black M3 (e90post)
29. dreamdrivedrift - 2000 Jet Black BMW 328i (e46f)
30. novaboi323i 2000 jet black 323i (e46f)
31. Laxbmw17 - 1995 AW M3 (m3forum)
32. RealSenaii - 2008 M3 (e90post)
33. platnumdesi01 - 2004 330ci zhp (e46f)
34. pyo - 2000 TiAg 328i (e46f)

Just for grins, here is my attempt.

http://members.cox.net/toples/joesmap.JPG

1. LaunchBackwards - 2005 Black BMW 330i
2. ecer1 - 2006 Silver Gray M5
3. joenationwide - 1995 Hellrot BMW M3 (bf.c)
4. sKunkman - 1998 Silver BMW 328i (bf.c)
5. datax - 2004 White Porsche GT3 (6speed)
6. SEAN_996 - 2002 Blue Porsche Turbo (6speed)
7. M3-peat - 2003 Blue BMW M3 (m3forum)
8. paeshius - 2008 Monaco BMW 335i (e90post)
9. Elements018 - 1997 Alpine White BMW M3 (bf.c)
10. Pino - Brilliantrot E30 (bf.c)
11. jbrannon7 - 2000 Silver M roadster (bf.c)
12. ZUUD bye +3 - 1996 Green Z3 Roadster (bf.c)
13. joeygill - 1993 325i (bf.c)
14. 1996BMW328I - 1999 M Coupe (bf.c)
15. gimp +2 - 1996 BMW 318ti(bf.c)
16. The Man - 1998 BMW 323i(bf.c)
17. odortiz - 1995 White BMW M3 (bf.c)
18. omegaraceshop - 1992 Honda Civic (bf.c)
19. RRT (bf.c)
20. Mr.F1 Fan - 2008 Monaco 335i (e90post)
21. Nihilation - White SS of Ignorance (bf.c)
22. Scottz71 - 2007 Space Gray 335i e92 (e90post)
23. Sammyzuko - 1997 BMW M3 Red (bf.c)
24. bagher - 2002 Steel Gray BMW M3 (e46f)
25. 07-335xi - 2007 Black Saph. 335xi e90 (e90post)
26. lrg8683 - 2000 Black Audi S4 (e46f)
27. MaxL - 2007 Montego blue 335xi (e90post)
28. JuniorDee - 2008 Jet Black M3 (e90post)
29. dreamdrivedrift - 2000 Jet Black BMW 328i (e46f)
30. novaboi323i 2000 jet black 323i (e46f)
31. Laxbmw17 - 1995 AW M3 (m3forum)
32. RealSenaii - 2008 M3 (e90post)
33. platnumdesi01 - 2004 330ci zhp (e46f)
34. pyo - 2000 TiAg 328i (e46f)

Joo forgot me. :(

What year is your M3 again?

2002. :)

First rule of a fun autox course: You guys have to avoid tight radii.

360 degree turns are not fun, neither are tight 180s. Courses that focus on speed maintenance are much more rewarding than those very sharp turns causing you to "park it".

Look at the two course designs below, some turns are waaay too tight, you will come out at very low speeds. You will need to stay in 1st gear for most of the course. You will also spend most of your time understeering around the course.

Steve, youre course with the 360s are not practical man, c'mon after 100 autoxes, have you ever seen that? To have a skid pad section, you'll need a minimum of 90' DIAMETER (EDITED, originally wrote 90' radius). Thats what we had at Sykesville.

Dave, where you've modified my original course, the part that double backs on itself has two tight 180s that will not be manageable (I dont believe).

Keep that in mind. Not trying to be critical. :D

Less cones. bit more room away from the Edges. i don't think you'd get much faster then 45mph with this design. really no straight sections. quite a few speed killing tight chicane type coners.
the cone spacing/size is definitely not to scale.

1 person on course would be safest. which would mean less registration spots, or a longer day.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l299/omegaraceshop/2_skid_pads_v2.jpg

Here's a revised design guys:
http://i29.tinypic.com/2r2myjd.jpg

It'll be funny when one man, David, accomplishes in a matter of days what an entire racing organization couldn't do in years.

Another one:
http://i26.tinypic.com/330ejjd.jpg

2nd:
http://i26.tinypic.com/257k9e8.jpg

The second one looks best. You will need a decision gate where the course crosses itself and ALOT more directional cones to not get lost. But otherwise an OKAY short course. BTW ... plan on runs being in the mid 20 to upper 20 seconds.

The only problem that I see is that you're going to need a crap load of timing wire to get timing lights at the beginning and end of the course considering its more than 100 yards apart. This is why most clubs have the start and finish within a reasonable distance of each other. The only club that I've seen with enough timing wiring to have a distance apart like that is the WDCR SCCA. I'm not saying that it can't be done, rather I'm saying be prepared to invest in long wires.

I have available... two dedicated 300-foot spools of CAT5 cable for any RaceAmerica (or similar) timer setup.

Just FYI,

Jon

is it too late for one more? lol

Steve, youre course with the 360s are not practical man, c'mon after 100 autoxes, have you ever seen that? To have a skid pad section, you'll need a minimum of 90' radius. Thats what we had at Sykesville.


i don't recall sykesville having a 90' radius skidpad. Maybe 90' diameter. but that skid pad was pretty small and tight.
I can't draw using Paint, some of the turns look sharper then they should be, and the cone layout isn't to scale.


Scott, i seem to recall one of your course layouts for Midnight autocross off a certain M circle road. And i seem to remember someone you know jumping their car off a paved embankment like the General Lee!!! :help And that was after modifying your design and slowing the course down a fair amount.

Too me a fun course is challenging and has elements thrown in that i need to improve on. Not a course that simply allows me to beat everyone elses times. Tight stuff may be difficult, and going 25mph may not give you a boner, but it's all about playing to the size of the lot.

i don't recall sykesville having a 90' radius skidpad. Maybe 90' diameter. but that skid pad was pretty small and tight.
I can't draw using Paint, some of the turns look sharper then they should be, and the cone layout isn't to scale.


Scott, i seem to recall one of your course layouts for Midnight autocross off a certain M circle road. And i seem to remember someone you know jumping their car off a paved embankment like the General Lee!!! :help And that was after modifying your design and slowing the course down a fair amount.

Too me a fun course is challenging and has elements thrown in that i need to improve on. Not a course that simply allows me to beat everyone elses times. Tight stuff may be difficult, and going 25mph may not give you a boner, but it's all about playing to the size of the lot.
Tight stuff plays to every single weakness of the BMW chassis. Scott will still beat everyone, but he'll be bored and annoyed doing it.

Why don't you guys sign up for the AI events instead? You get some of the best courses in the country on the best lot anywhere east of the west coast.

Scott still has to get his setup right for his 275/40/17 hoosiers. he was bested by Two civics at the last Scca Autox.
however regardless of course design, don't invite brian karwan and his civic, cause then everyone has to worry about his likely FTD.

Scott has a civic now himself. with my old koni suspension off my civic.



My redesigned course to play to everyones weaknesses. it is very unforgiving to errors.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l299/omegaraceshop/safecourse.jpg

Hmm, I wonder if Arnie will let me browse the lot again, so I can gauge what these courses will feel like in a real life application.

1. LaunchBackwards - 2005 Black BMW 330i
2. ecer1 - 2006 Silver Gray M5
3. joenationwide - 1995 Hellrot BMW M3 (bf.c)
4. sKunkman - 1998 Silver BMW 328i (bf.c)
5. datax - 2004 White Porsche GT3 (6speed)
6. SEAN_996 - 2002 Blue Porsche Turbo (6speed)
7. M3-peat - 2003 Blue BMW M3 (m3forum)
8. paeshius - 2008 Monaco BMW 335i (e90post)
9. Elements018 - 1997 Alpine White BMW M3 (bf.c)
10. Pino - Brilliantrot E30 (bf.c)
11. jbrannon7 - 2000 Silver M roadster (bf.c)
12. ZUUD bye +3 - 1996 Green Z3 Roadster (bf.c)
13. joeygill - 1993 325i (bf.c)
14. 1996BMW328I - 1999 M Coupe (bf.c)
15. gimp +2 - 1996 BMW 318ti(bf.c)
16. The Man - 1998 BMW 323i(bf.c)
17. odortiz - 1995 White BMW M3 (bf.c)
18. omegaraceshop - 1992 Honda Civic (bf.c)
19. RRT (bf.c)
20. Mr.F1 Fan - 2008 Monaco 335i (e90post)
21. Nihilation - White SS of Ignorance (bf.c)
22. Scottz71 - 2007 Space Gray 335i e92 (e90post)
23. Sammyzuko - 1997 BMW M3 Red (bf.c)
24. bagher - 2002 Steel Gray BMW M3 (e46f)
25. 07-335xi - 2007 Black Saph. 335xi e90 (e90post)
26. lrg8683 - 2000 Black Audi S4 (e46f)
27. MaxL - 2007 Montego blue 335xi (e90post)
28. JuniorDee - 2008 Jet Black M3 (e90post)
29. dreamdrivedrift - 2000 Jet Black BMW 328i (e46f)
30. novaboi323i 2000 jet black 323i (e46f)
31. Laxbmw17 - 1995 AW M3 (m3forum)
32. RealSenaii - 2008 M3 (e90post)
33. platnumdesi01 - 2004 330ci zhp (e46f)
34. pyo - 2000 TiAg 328i (e46f)
35. Bavarian19 - Space Gray 328 (E90post)
36. M3Punk - 1995 Boston Green M3 (bf.c)
37. ohnoes - 2002 Silver M3 (bf.c)
38. F M 3 - 2006 CB M3 (m3forum) - spec/cw

Why don't you guys sign up for the AI events instead? You get some of the best courses in the country on the best lot anywhere east of the west coast.
I probably would if I knew what AI was. Please enlighten this autox noob.

I probably would if I knew what AI was. Please enlighten this autox noob.

http://www.autocrossersinc.org/wp/

http://www.autocrossersinc.org/wp/

Thanks:thumbup:

My redesigned course to play to everyones weaknesses. it is very unforgiving to errors.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l299/omegaraceshop/safecourse.jpg

Steve, you could make that course longer if you utilized a few blocks of Route 50 too.

I will totally spectate this.

Rt. 5o might not be too safe. it's pretty narrow!!! :nono

This is drawn a little sloppy and not measured out or anything, but I think it will be fun because the speeds will be the highest (Im guessing around 25-50mph) and will limit the amount of tight sections. It has good flow and good speed maintenance. It can also be easily moved in away from the edges of the course without sacrificing speed or corner radii.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/joenationwide/autox_course03.jpg

I can admit I am quiet excited. I'm good with what ever course design you guys come up with

Scott, do you have a higher res? I can clean up this design for you.
This is drawn a little sloppy and not measured out or anything, but I think it will be fun because the speeds will be the highest (Im guessing around 25-50mph) and will limit the amount of tight sections. It has good flow and good speed maintenance. It can also be easily moved in away from the edges of the course without sacrificing speed or corner radii.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/joenationwide/autox_course03.jpg

So i guess it is safe to say that Scott doesn't like tight sections.

Scott.
your track is WAAAAAAY to close to the curbs and guardrails. if you go by what others are saying is the safe distance from obstacles, then basically the course would barely stray out far from the centerline of the parking lot.

on the farthest side of the parking lot from the building their is a steel guardrail there by the tree line.

The far left of the course is so narrow that you'd probably have to have a single line through there, and use some or most of it as you come back through the 2nd half of the course.
don't forget the timing light issue someone mentioned. start and finish shouldn't be too far away or you will need a huge amount of cabling.

it would be difficult to send two cars out on course unless the start and finish were really far from each other. the elements of the course are just too close together.
even if you send a 2nd car after the first clears the double cone gate, by time that car is exiting the skid pad, the other car might be coming through the upper L Box, heading right toward the 1st cars line.
This lot i'd think you have to go 1 car at a time. and just possibly put a cap on the number of participants.
even at baysox, a 2nd car is only sent out once the 1st car is making the fast right hander, before the slow sweeping Left to the finish. really there are only two cars on course for about 8 seconds.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l299/omegaraceshop/kenacourse1.jpg

This is drawn a little sloppy and not measured out or anything, but I think it will be fun because the speeds will be the highest (Im guessing around 25-50mph) and will limit the amount of tight sections. It has good flow and good speed maintenance. It can also be easily moved in away from the edges of the course without sacrificing speed or corner radii. ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/joenationwide/autox_course03.jpg

So i guess it is safe to say that Scott doesn't like tight sections.

Scott.
your track is WAAAAAAY to close to the curbs and guardrails. if you go by what others are saying is the safe distance from obstacles, then basically the course would barely stray out far from the centerline of the parking lot.

on the farthest side of the parking lot from the building their is a steel guardrail there by the tree line.

You can move the course in, make the two sections closer to each other. it can be done safely. I dont have time yet to draw it. (Or get a bigger picture, dont know why it saved so small).

Safety aside, the lot isn't big enough to host a _good_ autocross. Why would you want to do it if it isn't fun?

Safety aside, the lot isn't big enough to host a _good_ autocross. Why would you want to do it if it isn't fun?
Because a low speed autox in first gear is a better example of real world child dodging in a school parking lot? ;)

that is a good idea, if you run out of cones just give some school kids some candy and use them as cones.

The lot is pretty small. i just drove by it about 45 minutes ago.

Why would you want to do it if it isn't fun?

Rosecroft Redux?

Alex

Since im a new transplant it would be good to get out and meet some new people. Just post when it is planned.

Because a low speed autox in first gear is a better example of real world child dodging in a school parking lot? ;)
Well, realistically speaking...this is a lot event. Maneuvering around soccer mom minivans and small children at speed is a useful skill.

I'll take all the course inputs and attempt to make something that will make everyone happy.

All you naysayers are welcome as well. It is the people that make an event fun after all. Maybe you guys can rage together in harmony, as long as you guys are having a blast bashing the event. :redspot

...hopefully, the event will be approved by the committee.

Since im a new transplant it would be good to get out and meet some new people. Just post when it is planned.

I expect to see you out at the NCCBMWCCA events.

Well, realistically speaking...this is a lot event. Maneuvering around soccer mom minivans and small children at speed is a useful skill.

I'll take all the course inputs and attempt to make something that will make everyone happy.

All you naysayers are welcome as well. It is the people that make an event fun after all. Maybe you guys can rage together in harmony, as long as you guys are having a blast bashing the event. :redspot

...hopefully, the event will be approved by the committee.
Us naysayers are pointing out that the lot is not safe to run, won't be fun to drive on, and is probably not in compliance with the requirements that the SCCA publishes for autocross course designs. (Note that neither the SCCA nor the BMWCCA's insurance will cover the event this way. I don't know whether NASA's restrictions are looser.)

Believe me, I'm all for new venues. I'm deeply concerned that there is only one worthwhile venue left for everyone these days, but a lot like this one is worse than no autox at all.

...a lot like this one is worse than no autox at all.

I think it goes a bit deeper then whether or not a lot is fun to drive on. More importantly, a potentially unsafe venue run by inexperienced people is a recipe for an incident. And depending upon the severity of the incident it could jeopardize the few legitimate options that exist for the rest of us.

Just my opinion. You guys have fun. But be safe please.

Alex

Well, I'll keep you guys updated on the course and safety layouts. It'll probably be a few weeks before the final decision is made.

I'll try to keep the event as safe as possible if it happens.

Personally, it would be cool if it were a SMALL TEST AND TUNE situation. Like 25-30 people MAX pay $100, and you set up some basic skills, and a figure 8 right in the MIDDLE of the lot.

It would really help some of us who have made changes over the winter and need some time to make adjustments in a NON competitve venue. :lol


BUT august is WAY too late in the season to figure the car out. So good luck, and BE safe! ;)

Personally, it would be cool if it were a SMALL TEST AND TUNE situation. Like 25-30 people MAX pay $100, and you set up some basic skills, and a figure 8 right in the MIDDLE of the lot.

It would really help some of us who have made changes over the winter and need some time to make adjustments in a NON competitve venue. :lol


BUT august is WAY too late in the season to figure the car out. So good luck, and BE safe! ;)

Paying $100.00 each with 30 people we could probably get a lot at Fedex.

Joe

Paying $100.00 each with 30 people we could probably get a lot at Fedex.

Joe

Joe, with all due respect, try getting into a Level 3 Schol or a Test and Tune @ Fed -Ex for under $180. And I think there cap is around 25-30 people...

Paying $100.00 each with 30 people we could probably get a lot at Fedex.

Joe

Joe,

It's going to take more $$$ than that ...

Joe, with all due respect, try getting into a Level 3 Schol or a Test and Tune @ Fed -Ex for under $180. And I think there cap is around 25-30 people...

The test n tunes are 200.00/per person for 20 people, but that includes the course and timing equipment, so we would need 40 at 100.00 each. Or more per person. I jump on every school I can at Fedex.

There is only one Lvl 2 on the schedule and I am on the wait list, saw it too late to get in, they fill up within a day or so.

We could contact Brian Garfield and see if he can do anything for us.

Also, don't worry about pointing aout my mistakes, I am married and get corrected daily.

Joe

Also, don't worry about pointing aout my mistakes, I am married and get corrected daily.

Joe



:lol:lol:lol


Is that what I have to look forward to...:help

I will say again that I don't think this lot is a good candidate for autocross. Just go to an AI or BMWCCA or SCCA event and be done with it.

:lol:lol:lol


Is that what I have to look forward to...:help

YES!

Joe,

It's going to take more $$$ than that ...

That's not exactly true.
you can setup a Weekday School at Fedex for $2400. that includes 2 instructors for a max of 12 participants. and think of the rest you would be able to get sitting in traffic on the way home!
not bad for $200 a piece, considering how much run time you'd be able to get with only 12 participants.

i have no clue how much Fedex costs on a weekend though. i thought i remember hearing Marshall or Garfield say something about $5000.

Has any Club ever checked on the huge boomerang shaped lot behind RFK stadium?
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l299/omegaraceshop/RFKparking.jpg

that looks cool. will need lots of rear tires.:buttrock

Has any Club ever checked on the huge boomerang shaped lot behind RFK stadium?
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l299/omegaraceshop/RFKparking.jpg

I did when I attended the ALMS race held on that lot. If I remember correctly, the local neighborhood was not too happy with the event, so it would probably be pretty tough to hold another automotive event there. The surface was some real trick polymer-based stuff that was apparently INCREDIBLE to race on.

The ALMS race turned out to be one of the most exciting races I've seen in person. 1st and 2nd place were never more than an handful of seconds apart under green flag racing for the whole event. The 2 leaders traded the lead sometimes twice in the same lap. That race totall ROCKED!:redspot I'm bummed they didn't come back for another one. As I understand it, the promoter had trouble paying the bills, so the ALMS passed on a return visit.:(

Scott

at least the sound from the autox would mask the Neighborhood gunshots!

at least the sound from the autox would mask the Neighborhood gunshots!

Gunshots abound in Mantua. In fact, I once heard the sound of a Tippman 98 Custom right outside in the woods. Scared the living daylights out of me! Some poor old lady probably got robbed and left for dead. Our crime rate may be 0.0001%, but doggone it, many of these murders go unreported. It just isn't right.

YES!
:rock:

:rock:

I agree ...

You guys set up a private AutoX and I'll bring my X3, it will tow my KTM Supermoto. I'll run the course with the Supermoto if you guys want.

HA...

Barry

Just got word from Arnie, approved!

Just got word from Arnie, approved!

Took long enough... but that's sweet. So when we are we doing this?

Just got word from Arnie, approved!

... my PM box is waiting ...

Yeah, I'd be interested in driving... anything. ;)

word

Yeah, I'd be interested in driving... anything. ;)
Mr. Wheelman :eek:

I'm doing a bank heist tomorrow...will you drive me and my fellow robbers to safety? Transporter style?

Mr. Wheelman :eek:

I'm doing a bank heist tomorrow...will you drive me and my fellow robbers to safety? Transporter style?

No pinching allowed

highly interested.

highly interested.

Bet you are, so you can speed away from those copzZZzz in Clifton next time.

1. LaunchBackwards - 2005 Black BMW 330i
2. ecer1 - 2006 Silver Gray M5
3. joenationwide - 1995 Hellrot BMW M3 (bf.c)
4. sKunkman - 1998 Silver BMW 328i (bf.c)
5. datax - 2004 White Porsche GT3 (6speed)
6. SEAN_996 - 2002 Blue Porsche Turbo (6speed)
7. M3-peat - 2003 Blue BMW M3 (m3forum)
8. paeshius - 2008 Monaco BMW 335i (e90post)
9. Elements018 - 1997 Alpine White BMW M3 (bf.c)
10. Pino - Brilliantrot E30 (bf.c)
11. jbrannon7 - 2000 Silver M roadster (bf.c)
12. ZUUD bye +3 - 1996 Green Z3 Roadster (bf.c)
13. joeygill - 1993 325i (bf.c)
14. 1996BMW328I - 1999 M Coupe (bf.c)
15. gimp +2 - 1996 BMW 318ti(bf.c)
16. The Man - 1998 BMW 323i(bf.c)
17. odortiz - 1995 White BMW M3 (bf.c)
18. omegaraceshop - 1992 Honda Civic (bf.c)
19. RRT (bf.c)
20. Mr.F1 Fan - 2008 Monaco 335i (e90post)
21. Nihilation - White SS of Ignorance (bf.c)
22. Scottz71 - 2007 Space Gray 335i e92 (e90post)
23. Sammyzuko - 1997 BMW M3 Red (bf.c)
24. bagher - 2002 Steel Gray BMW M3 (e46f)
25. 07-335xi - 2007 Black Saph. 335xi e90 (e90post)
26. lrg8683 - 2000 Black Audi S4 (e46f)
27. MaxL - 2007 Montego blue 335xi (e90post)
28. JuniorDee - 2008 Jet Black M3 (e90post)
29. dreamdrivedrift - 2000 Jet Black BMW 328i (e46f)
30. novaboi323i 2000 jet black 323i (e46f)
31. Laxbmw17 - 1995 AW M3 (m3forum)
32. RealSenaii - 2008 M3 (e90post)
33. platnumdesi01 - 2004 330ci zhp (e46f)
34. pyo - 2000 TiAg 328i (e46f)
35. Bavarian19 - Space Gray 328 (E90post)
36. M3Punk - 1995 Boston Green M3 (bf.c)
37. ohnoes - 2002 Silver M3 (bf.c)
38. F M 3 - 2006 CB M3 (m3forum) - spec/cw
39. Carnag3 (m3forum)
40. TJ_GUNZ (m3forum)
41. TMNT - 2004 steel gray 330ci ZHP (E90post)
42. yeomgon (bf.c)

... my PM box is waiting ...

PM sent.

where, when, and how much?

"PM sent" ... Not to me. Again, when, where, how much?

BTW, Cumberland's series occasionally holds Friday afternoon challenge matches between marques, like Corvette, Cobra, Porsche... we should get several BMW drivers to show them how we can drive.

"PM sent" ... Not to me. Again, when, where, how much?

BTW, Cumberland's series occasionally holds Friday afternoon challenge matches between marques, like Corvette, Cobra, Porsche... we should get several BMW drivers to show them how we can drive.

I guess they'd be impressed with the lack of skillz???

You don't have to participate... ZING!

^ exudes confidence

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I don't think I've see Brian post so much in one thread before.

:rofl

work must be slow @ OG today

BTW, Cumberland's series occasionally holds Friday afternoon challenge matches between marques, like Corvette, Cobra, Porsche... we should get several BMW drivers to show them how we can drive.

We'll send our BMW hotshoes: Scott Blair and his evil twin from Bizzarro world! (Or is it Brian Hair and his good twin?)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/joenationwide/DSCN0215.jpg

Twins #3 and #4 are missing from that pic:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/16/Drevil_million_dollars.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/44/Kojaktelly.jpg


ps- forget the red showcar, I'd want to test drive that big tractor thing in the background. :D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/44/Kojaktelly.jpg


who loves you baby!

Guys, how does $40-$50 a person sound? This will include 7-10 runs, insurance, sanctioning fees, lot rental fees, and food.

Alright, original post has been updated.

:rofl

work must be slow @ OG today

Was pretty empty in there when I got my brake fluid, but I dropped by late.
:wavey Brian

Depending on the course, might be interested...seems the course layout changes daily though :lol3

I think David has nearly owned all you nay sayers.

He's "owned" the naysayers?

Can't speak for anyone else, but I just said he shouldn't, not he couldn't, hold an autocross at that lot.

can't live forever:buttrock

Is it still possible to get in on this?

Went to Kena tonight cause I was bored and checked it out. Looks fairly wide open and there aren't any poles of any sort, which is obviously ideal. Not too shabby...

However, I was parked there for a few minutes with my HIDs pointing at Rt. 50 and maybe the whole thing looked shady. This car--whose headlights didn't look like a police cruiser, but rather a CR-V or something--attempted to come around the side and I guess come up on me from the back. I quickly cut out of there and the car followed me all the way up Prince William. I lost him as I made a series of quick turns, just in case. But, a bit creepy. That Kena Temple has some weird shit there, too. Maybe there is a stash of dead hookers that guy didn't want me to discover.

Went to Kena tonight cause I was bored and checked it out. Looks fairly wide open and there aren't any poles of any sort, which is obviously ideal. Not too shabby...

However, I was parked there for a few minutes with my HIDs pointing at Rt. 50 and maybe the whole thing looked shady. This car--whose headlights didn't look like a police cruiser, but rather a CR-V or something--attempted to come around the side and I guess come up on me from the back. I quickly cut out of there and the car followed me all the way up Prince William. I lost him as I made a series of quick turns, just in case. But, a bit creepy. That Kena Temple has some weird shit there, too. Maybe there is a stash of dead hookers that guy didn't want me to discover.

Rent-a-cop maybe?

Rent-a-cop maybe?

Perhaps. The timing almost seemed supernatural, though. Perhaps the place is monitored. I was there for about 20 minutes. Did some pseudo-donuts, too, just for posterity.

:nono If you did those things at any business location you would be looked at suspiciously. Where you playing air autox (like guitar) too?

This sounds like a sure way to kill the deal at the lot.

Not cool

:nono If you did those things at any business location you would be looked at suspiciously. Where you playing air autox (like guitar) too?

This sounds like a sure way to kill the deal at the lot.

Not cool

AGREED 100%. Sometimes it only takes one immature, loosely attached action to cause a lot to be unavailable for use.

:nono If you did those things at any business location you would be looked at suspiciously. Where you playing air autox (like guitar) too?

This sounds like a sure way to kill the deal at the lot.

Not cool

FWIW, I only messed around for about 5 minutes and 15 minutes before the car showed up. I don't think it's a big deal.

FWIW, I only messed around for about 5 minutes and 15 minutes before the car showed up. I don't think it's a big deal.
Well, you'd probably be doing everyone a favor if you got autox banned from that lot...

Well, you'd probably be doing everyone a favor if you got autox banned from that lot...

:lol

I'd rather not be the one responsible... but, like I said, not a big deal.

:lol

I'd rather not be the one responsible... but, like I said, not a big deal.

Not now, but it could be were we not able to use that lot.

With that said I don't especially want to participate in an autox there, but it's about the principle!

Robert, if you are going to mess around, do it somewhere else. Like I said before, the police and Kena have a very good relationship, and they would definitely report any suspicious activities happening in the venue. But it doesn't even have to be the police, any Kena member/neighbor can easily recognize that it was a BMW messing around on the lot...

...now imagine us showing up at the lot a month later with a gaggle of BMWs. Catch my drift?

Robert, if you are going to mess around, do it somewhere else. Like I said before, the police and Kena have a very good relationship, and they would definitely report any suspicious activities happening in the venue. But it doesn't even have to be the police, any Kena member/neighbor can easily recognize that it was a BMW messing around on the lot...

...now imagine us showing up at the lot a month later with a gaggle of BMWs. Catch my drift?

I really didn't mess around. I know what I did, and I did maybe two pseudo-donuts--when NO ONE was in sight. Believe me, I know what I did. I'm not stupid. I actually went there to scope it out, like I said. Yes, I understand what you are getting at, and I agree. I would not jeopardize anything.

Goddammit! Robert, you may just have singlehandedly caused the sanctioning/insurance organizer to drop out.

Scoping the lot at during the day, WITH Kena's permission is fine, but what you did is NOT. You do realize there were no trespassing signs on the lot entrances, right?

Robert, I have to ban you from this event (if it happens now...), and possibly all future events that take place there.

WARNING TO EVERYONE ELSE:
If you do not want to jeopardize the event (any further), STAY AWAY FROM THE LOT, unless you already have business there, or get permission from Kena to check it out (and if you do, do not do anything retarded like ohnoes did).

Quite frankly, I'm pissed. Robert, I'm going to ask you to leave this thread as well. Whatever you say or do is not going to change my decision.

I'll keep the rest of you guys updated...
I really didn't mess around. I know what I did, and I did maybe two pseudo-donuts--when NO ONE was in sight. Believe me, I know what I did. I'm not stupid. I actually went there to scope it out, like I said. Yes, I understand what you are getting at, and I agree. I would not jeopardize anything.

FWIW, I only messed around for about 5 minutes and 15 minutes before the car showed up. I don't think it's a big deal.

You were there for 5 minutes, then how did you know no one was there for 15 minutes? 5-15 = -10 So for 10 minutes you warped?

Please don't go warping at any of the NCC Autox lots....

It doesn't take much to ruin a venue for everyone. All it takes is one neighbor, one rent-a-cop, or one pedestrian to see an idiot in a BMW drawing attention to himself and decide to call the cops or the owner of the facility. You might not even be doing anything illegal. Doesn't matter. You just have to piss off the wrong person.

WOW, this is getting good....



:eatpop::eatpop: :beer:beer

wow ohnoes is a dumbazz :nono

wow ohnoes is a dumbazz :nono

You haven't even heard about his new car search. IM me sometime if you want tear-worthy loltasticness.

Don't know tons of people on here yet and not to pile on, but I was wondering...if this is the same person who was at the Chick-Fil-A meet in Sterling this past Fri night doing all the donuts in the parking lot. I mean, 5-10 solid minutes worth. It looks like the same car. And based upon what happened here...just wondering. Cuz that would be fkin fantastic if that meet location got ruined for the rest of us, too.

My god you're a fucking idiot. You are consistently made an example of and you do not get it. Grow up.

FWIW, I only messed around for about 5 minutes and 15 minutes before the car showed up. I don't think it's a big deal.

I promised David I wouldn't respond, but I decided I should, in order to clear up a couple relatively minor things (sorry David). I will not comment on this particular event beyond the following, as David and I have discussed it extensively already and I have offered my assistance in resolving any remaining issues. I would like to apologize first and foremost to David and the sanctioner(s) of the event. While I did not intend any harm, nor did I actually burn any rubber on the tarmac (didn't actually do any donuts), I did not exercise wisdom, or even basic common sense, in going to the Temple at night to scope it out. This was a simple case of me traversing the parking lot and driving around for about 15 minutes before leaving when I saw a car approaching. That's it; there's absolutely nothing more to it than that. Yet, I did not give due consideration to the fact that my behavior would look suspicious and I realize I exercised poor judgment in posting about it on a public forum. Rest assured, this will not happen again.

Finally:

1) I was not at the Chick-Fil-A on Friday night.

My god you're a fucking idiot.

2) Let's have that discussion in person.

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Alright guys, the event is still luckily good to go. I will be sending out PMs shortly.

All PMs have been sent. Let me know in this thread, if you didn't receive one.

And I will reiterate one last time that running on this lot is a bad idea, I strongly discourage people from signing up.

use your best judgement. besides...
can't live forever:buttrock

unfortunately, i have a prior engagement that day so i can't go. otherwise, i'd be there.

WOW!

I just got back from the lot. I followed Ohnoes down, and he kept watch. I spent alot of time on the skidpad. Did some "skillz" drillz, and then as many full course runs the car/tires could handle.


Hope to see some more of you guys there next week. :buttrock

:rofl :rofl

A few of you seem to have prior engagements. Just to get a head count, how many on the list would prefer that the date was pushed back. (This is just to gauge attendence of the current list). If it does get to where the majority of the interested list prefers a later date (will be announced before the date is changed), those who have already paid will get their money refunded, in case they can't work with the new date.

But right now it's just a possibility.

Thanks guys.

Did this event already happen?

No, it's slated for August 2, 2008.

Oh ok cause I went back to the origional post that was supposedly updated and it said that it was the 27th of june. Is it going to be held at the same place mentioned? Is it still open?

Oh ok cause I went back to the origional post that was supposedly updated and it said that it was the 27th of june. Is it going to be held at the same place mentioned? Is it still open?
lol, that's the date/time I posted the update.

Due to time constraints for insurance approval, the August 2nd event will be postponed. Please do not send payment at this moment. For those, who have already sent payment. I will send you guys a PM.