current project on the 2002faq.com forum

" This is the plan.
2005 Honda S2000 AP2 2.2 L motor and 6 spd. tranny in my 02. Had some delays with the accident which totalled my car. Will run AEM EMS.
Here is a pic of the new car that it's going into. Will be cleaning up engine bay this weekend and Stitch welding the seams on the front end for extra support. Planning on big brake upgrades with disc inthe rears, As for exterior I am going with Turbo look. Interior will run roll bar and Recaro EVO 8 seats. Suspension will be either IE stage 2 with shorten Tii struts and Bilsteins. I want to enjoy this on the streets as well as the track."

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project blog link
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Prepare the flame-suit!

I really don't understand the appeal of these engines (let alone the RABID following of the car.)

There are just better options for this kind of fun.

You need to drive one to understand the appeal. Yeah they lack torque big time but when that engine comes onto cam, hold on, its like a freaking missile. The feeling is magnified ten fold when turbo charged. I love big thumping torque monsters as much as the next guy but being that I grew up driving heavily cammed 4 bangers I can appreciate the almighty V-TEC. I couldn't think of a better 4 cylinder to put in a Bimmer. If your going the 6 cylinder route well that is whole other discussion.

Prepare the flame-suit!

I really don't understand the appeal of these engines (let alone the RABID following of the car.)

There are just better options for this kind of fun.

have you ever driven an s2k motor? From a fellow 02 owner, i think this is a sick swap, even better than an "M2" S2k motor is so awesome. Most horsepower per liter engine ever produced. Good amount of tq, great hp, and in a 02, z0mg!

I'm def gonna subscribe to this. This is awesome! Good luck man!

Oh and the other options you are speaking of? What putting an M20, or newer bimmer engine, an M2 conversion w/ an s14? I've seen 6 cylinders in these and they are very front heavy, and well this 4 cylinder 240hp engine will be alot cooler :D

M2 conversions can cost almost 6-7k, so why go wtih an s14 that will break down often compared to a honda engine?

I had a 06 S2k turbo'd. Even stock with a 8k redline the car was fun to drive. After the turbo I dynod 373 whp at 9 psi. Good luck with the build!

That should be a lot of fun in a 2002.

Took one out for a drive when they first came out and right away wife asked me why the engine was so loud ( screaming ) and this was right around 6/6.5K rpm..3 miles later made a U-turn and returned the car....It was only after i discussed with friends that i found out that the motor comes to life at 8K RPM :eyecrazy
One thing for sure,S2000 has the slickest shifter i have ever felt in any car to this date...
No high reving motor for me..thats for sure...

wow.. thats a lot of power for a 2002...
i love fun conversions like this...
best of luck to ya.. and keep them pics posted..:buttrock:buttrock

THIS SOUNDS COOL! I will be watching on the faq!

this is gonna be SICK.

You should attach a vortech supercharger too.

Prepare the flame-suit!

I really don't understand the appeal of these engines (let alone the RABID following of the car.)

There are just better options for this kind of fun.

I agree, i think the S2k is complete crap. 30k-35k for miata handling coupled with well...new miata straight line speed.

Maybe its just me, but i'd prefer to save 10k and buy a new miata.

I agree, i think the S2k is complete crap. 30k-35k for miata handling coupled with well...new miata straight line speed.

Maybe its just me, but i'd prefer to save 10k and buy a new miata.

they are talking about the motor, the F20C is one of the greatest motors ever made. 1 of the few engines that are more than 100hp/liter. Plus after 8k as a previous user mentioned it comes to life!

In a 02 I think this makes perfect sense. Look at how nicely the engine fits!

Wow, great project! Keep us posted!

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I agree, i think the S2k is complete crap. 30k-35k for miata handling coupled with well...new miata straight line speed.

Maybe its just me, but i'd prefer to save 10k and buy a new miata.


If you've never driven a S2k and saying this you're ignorant. The2 cars are in the same class but the S2K beats the miata all the way around. Go ahead and save your $10k is that why you drive a Colorado cuz you don't want to pay the xtra for a BMW?

Always wanted to see a 2002 swap. Can't wait to see more.

I had a turbo'd s2k for 2 mos road racing back in '04. Yes, the engine sounds insane at 8k (mind you thats a good and bad thing...) But in terms of small engines, I prefer the Ecotech VVT 2.4 with a supercharger - the power is more manageable because you don't have to rev the nuts off it.

Mneh - opinions schminions. Sure this will sound amazing anyways, if a little whiny ;P

they are talking about the motor, the F20C is one of the greatest motors ever made. 1 of the few engines that are more than 100hp/liter. Plus after 8k as a previous user mentioned it comes to life!

In a 02 I think this makes perfect sense. Look at how nicely the engine fits!

hp to liter means nothing when it makes no torque. You dont try and pretend this car is so great when for 30k+ you get a high 14 second turd.

If you've never driven a S2k and saying this you're ignorant. The2 cars are in the same class but the S2K beats the miata all the way around. Go ahead and save your $10k is that why you drive a Colorado cuz you don't want to pay the xtra for a BMW?

hey dumbshit, BMW doesnt make a truck.

You're right i havent driven an S2k, but the specs say more then enough. Pay 30k for something that is gutless below 5krpms is an act of stupidity.

Paying 30k for a car thats slower then a fwd mazda speed(in handling and straight line) is an act of stupidity.

Argueing hp per liter when your car is still butt slow is an act of stupidity.

Prepare the flame-suit!

I really don't understand the appeal of these engines (let alone the RABID following of the car.)

There are just better options for this kind of fun.

not my project follow the link on the bottom of the first post....


why flame? I thought this was the engine swap forum? Thats what people do here right?

hey dumbshit, BMW doesnt make a truck.

You're right i havent driven an S2k, but the specs say more then enough. Pay 30k for something that is gutless below 5krpms is an act of stupidity.



Whoa!

Personally as an owner and fanatic of 2002's, I think that this is a great non-BMW engine to swap for this car.... lightweight, high revving and high HP....reliable too!

Anybody can does not understand the fun in driving a motor that is high revving is missing out.

Just ask any e30 m3 owner and tell him..."Pay 30k for something that is gutless below 5krpms is an act of stupidity." Since that's what thousands of e30 m3 owners did when they came out.

The s14 is gutless below 5k as well. It sucks at the drag strip. Count me as a stupid owner I guess.

but you have no idea why you paid all that money for that car until you drove that motor(s14) at the track.

Open your motor horizons a bit zq8dude......there is more to life that low revving V8's or torquey I-6's. There is a whole world of fun driving a I-4 with a narrow powerband....

I know I'm having the time of my life in my racecar.....

hp to liter means nothing when it makes no torque. You dont try and pretend this car is so great when for 30k+ you get a high 14 second turd.

You just described a e30 M3. Amazing.

No surprise you don't own a BMW. Since most M motors are high revving and low torque....check out the new M3 V8, M V10 the older S14 and S38 ALL were low torque and high revving. M motors always are short stroke high revving wonders. They all make there power at really high rpms.

not my project follow the link on the bottom of the first post....


why flame? I thought this was the engine swap forum? Thats what people do here right?


I know it wasn't your project. And the Flame-retardant suit was because I know there are a LOT of people around here with dragon-love affairs with the S2K.

If the S2k had a close ratio gear box it would be just fine. Even our M's could use that. Otherwise it was the only Honda I ever considered buying.

Though not my idea of doing a swap, it will be interesting to see what happens.

Good luck

They come with 4:10s stock. That torqueless wonder will beat a 528i stock.

An S2000 handles on rails, absolutely nothing like a miata. It is a pretty race oriented car. I thought about getting one but i like how the Z4 is just more solid. The high rev is amazing for corners, keep it over 6k in corners and power out of them. A really fun car, but I do also think its a little over priced for a honda.

arguing hp/liter is stupid

a zo6 vette only makes around 72 hp/liter and is easily one of the best engines ever built

its hp/weight and torque curve that really matter

Having only owned hondas/acuras prior to my 323. I don't understand how people can even begin flaming this??? The F20 is an engineering marvel, it can handle an insane amount of abuse, and the gear box is top notch. I have personally installed the comptech sc system on more than a few of these. I think this will be a badass build..... for those who have not driven one on a road course, and really seen what the s2k was meant for should not really be voicing a silly opinion. Plus comparing this car to the miata is rediculous.

SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My friend has an f20 in a '92 gutted hatch with 270whp and revs up to 11K!

This is going to be a fast mutha fucka on the track!

By the way I don't know if it's Aaron or Jose, but Hi it's Chris with the red s52 e30...where did you guys move your shop to?

Guys,

I have been on the planet for half a century so been there done that. I have owned two prior E30's, one a '90 325 IC that was by all standards perfect with 27k on the odometer. I currently have a '97 328is that I am doing work in progress on, but has a beautiful Florida body.

To the point, I too own a '04 S2000 and I am telling you straight up that is is like driving a big go-cart. I have read various articles that put it up against the Z4 and Boxter and the S2000 is picked as the best track car. The banchie (SP?) howl of that motor from 6-8 grand is nearly like sex, I said nearly, smiling. It is VERY hard to drive slow, but I have mnanaged to get 27 to 30mpg when driveing it like you would a civic, yes it is that good. It drives like it is on rails and down any country road it stays planeted regardless of the speed.

Some like red, some like Vette's, however the 2.2 Honda in a 2002, ought to be a monster. Please make sure you have brakes and suspension sorted out before getting into it,,,,,at as the speed will build fast!!!

sincerely...
Bruce

The S2000 is pretty good...it's following a Lotus Exige.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psj872-lTUA

Yeah speaking of engines, the Elise Exige needs a blower to make the same power an S2000 makes NA and its Toyota powered to boot...They are both awesome cars on the track though.

Hey Le..

Looks like you are moving right along. Going to be a great combo. Hope to see it out on the track someday.:buttrock

E-mail if you run into any questions. Will you still run a rack and pinion. The R&P in my car is getting close to sorted out.

Good luck.

Cheers

MOE

hp to liter means nothing when it makes no torque. You dont try and pretend this car is so great when for 30k+ you get a high 14 second turd.

High 14's in denver maybe :rolleyes

Nevermind the bottom end will hold 500whp and happily revs to 9K

Just move along...if you hate S2000's this much then why even click the link :rolleyes

arguing hp/liter is stupid

a zo6 vette only makes around 72 hp/liter and is easily one of the best engines ever built

its hp/weight and torque curve that really matter

Its a simple measure of efficiency

Its a great pushrod motor for sure but given its output I would say its one of the best pushrod motors ever built....

If you can tell me WHY its one of the best engines built I would be interested to hear it....its got some neat features but I'd like see your side

Oh and the K series spins the same way so if someone can make an adapter plate for the tranny the 2.4L K series that can make 300+whp NA can be used too :D In response to the "use the ecotec motor" guy who wanted more torque

Youre not buying a S2K for just power. Its the 50/50 weight distribution, handling and power all together that makes it one of the best stock track cars out there. If you've never driven one then youll never know. You can't just go to the dealer and drive it aroundthe block. The curves is where this car lives.

Just like above mentioned - if you dont like what the op is doing then dont read this thread or do more research before you say anything cuz obviously you dont know crap about the S2k.

hp to liter means nothing when it makes no torque. You dont try and pretend this car is so great when for 30k+ you get a high 14 second turd.


WOW. i dont think you should be saying anything about a car youve never driven and know jack about.

frist of all, the s2k is as fast if not a touch faster than an e36 m3, which means high 13's@100 or so. lack of torque is also easily fixed with gearing, the s2k is geared perfectly and a complete joy to drive. i had a 02 for for 3yrs and enjoy every moment with the car.

the F20 is engineered very well, forged pistons and rods, fully balanced and is able to spin 9k for thousands of miles. its probably one of the greatest production 4bangers ever built.

not to mention is amazing trans, razor sharp handling. you dont have to like it, but atleast give credit where credit it due.

p.s pick of a consumer reports............ROFL@chevy colorado

I feel sorry for ZQ8Dude driving a chevy colorado and talking big time smack about other sport cars. He has no clues whatsoever. ROFL.

It's funny. Everyone knocking the S2k has something in common. They see the square 'H' emblem or hear the "H word"(Honda) and immediately assume it's a gutless ricer car. I love every comment about how it has no torque too. Just like someone said above....look at all the M engines. Higher hp and lower torque, right?

Once it's all said and done, this 2002 is going to haul ass.

sick build.

I've never driven a S2K, but it's not like the 2.4 is diminutive. Heck, the M50 is 2.5L with 2 more cylinders. Cool project!

If you're looking for the all-around best motor swap (cost, reliability, HP, gearing, size/weight) for a 2002, the F20C is THE BEST.

Haven't you guys all seen the Japanese drift video of the E36 with a F20C????? Looked like a lot of fun if you ask me. Imagine that in a lighter BMW. Check youtube if you haven't seen it.

I would love a comptech S2000. Awesome swap and i've been in a miata; there's a reason why it costs ten g's less.