I will let this be known, I have not bought anything from Bavtoys, I have tried but they never got back to me. So I have given them a chance. My biggest complaint is the power in which Bavtoys have in the Lighting forum. I have many many on topic post that are deleted while others that are off topic are not as long as they are praising Bavtoys. It is not allowed to say any negative things about the company or it is deleted. Please do not delete this thread as IMO it has a direct reflection on the company if they can not allow us to air our concerns and comments when people ask. If I have broken any rules, please allow me to know. But I would like to hear everyone else's experiences as well to see if they are the same.

I think you should PM Kelvar about your concern with BAVTOY but your complain that they don't answer your email's is pretty lame IMO....

If a company doesn't want your business, then take it somewhere else. No need to start a thread about it

angeleye, i have. and this thread is needed. It is a direct reflection upon the company imo. Concerns should be aired. they are not allowed in threads in the lighting forum BECAUSE of the company.

I think that the way habbie handles the lighting section is ridiculous. When I had a complaint, I mentioned both the good and the bad. I mentioned that I made over $1000 dollars worth of transactions through habbie. All of them, except the last were great.
Basically, every time I purchase something from him, I ask for a PM with a tracking number. I was not even aware of the fact that PayPal had a tracking option. He e-mails/PMs it to me every time. This last time, I PMed him 10 times and he just ignored all my PM attempts. When I made a thread he berated me, and showed me that the item was already in the office downstairs for a few days.
I kept trying to rationalize with him and told him that I'm used to interacting with him via PM. He said, that he should not have to send me PMs with tracking numbers because that would hurt his sales (takes too much time to send a PM) and accused me of having the item all along.

For over a week I had no idea it was in my apartment office downstairs. So instead of responding to one of my 10 PMs, he waited for me to make a thread and made atleast 10 posts in it.

Later when I opened the box, here is what I found:
I needed 2 ballasts replaced because they were both not working. I got one new ballast back and one of my old broken ballasts back. He even wrote on the back of the ballast "Dead".:rolleyes

Will never make another transaction through him.

LemansGTS: I think a lot of people feel the same way as you do but are not allowed to voice their opinion. As I said, I think this is a direct reflection of the company. Why is so much stuff able to be hid while they want the competition to be exposed?

Seems a little one sided that every thread habbie starts is inundated with support for him, but every thread started by someone who is not happy with a transaction is closed.

The odd thing is, the guy rarely, IF EVER, takes accountability for anything or ever says he is wrong. The customer is always lazy, a liar, or incompetent in his book.

The customer is always lazy, a liar, or incompetent in his book. i do agree i bought an m3 bumper a while back from him. i ordered overnight shipping and paid the extra almost 100 bucks. the next day no bumper so i patiently waited until the next day and again i did not have my bumper. i decided to go to the post office to see whats up and they told me the sender had first off not shipped till the day after and second the sender had written the wrong information on the box. finally a week later my package arrived. i contacted habbie and he had told me that he had no clue what happened and it was mostly my fault because my information was incorrect, even though i never changed the info that i sent him and yet it still arrived just a week later.:shifty

a supporting vendor have moderator capabilites is just wrong. Plain wrong. Complete conflict of interest.

obviously, there are many of us who feel this way, and something should definately be done.

I started this thread in the suggestions forum, and hopefully we can get through to the administration that this is doing nothing but hurting the forum.
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12975813&posted=1#post12975813


a supporting vendor have moderator capabilites is just wrong. Plain wrong. Complete conflict of interest.

+100000, this would fix all of this.

a supporting vendor have moderator capabilites is just wrong. Plain wrong. Complete conflict of interest.




+100000, this would fix all of this.

+1111111111111111111111

:wave

dude IMO the members of this forum need to know about habbie's unethical business practices but the forum administration doesnt care. I've alread tried many times to get help but it always ends up getting me banned for two weeks. Its like if your government is corrupt so you complain about it and the government has you killed. Whats that called again?.... COMMUNISM

I am currently having some refund issues.

Also my brand new angle eyes have already crapped out. I hope they will help me out there but again, no replys..

I hope they decide to come through...

M3Rob: i wish you luck. i do think they will come through but don't expect them to come jumping to your beck'n call. You see, these are all things that people have problems with that aren't allowed to be aired in the lighting forum when people ASK.

You all I know I'm with you on this one, Habbies post today in the lighting forum made me laugh at they way he tries to sell and look superior.

Habbie was responding to a post about which headlights are better, BT or DDM, and he goes off on a tangent!
shipping:
all headlight packages are pre-installed and ready to drop in, we dont sell piece meal products, more important they are in stock and ready to ship right now not in 4 to 6 weeks. we only sell what we have on hand, we may not have 16 employees but with what few we have we manage to get stuff out the door the same or next day 95% of the time and a mere 3 to 5 days to your door, lip service and sad stories not included.

Bad mouthing DDM, really? He needs to grow up. He says pointless and negative comments will be deleted...and he post things like this.:rolleyes

Also, ProLumen sucks. I had 3 ballasts which failed. 0 apexcone failed.

I'm scared to speak out or else I'll get banned. But habbie is a hipocrite. He pretty much tells us to shut up and get on topic but look at his posts bashing DDM. He makes me sick

Also, ProLumen sucks. I had 3 ballasts which failed. 0 apexcone failed.

You see LeMans, this is the first time I have heard of this. Because I guess this was the first time I was ALLOWED to.

thank god he doesnt have the ability to delete posts here. Or else this thread wouldn't have any posts.

You see LeMans, this is the first time I have heard of this. Because I guess this was the first time I was ALLOWED to.

Yep, I had 4 prolumens...all failed "somehow" within a year, Apexcone have yet to give me any problems:redspot

that is good to know. I am about to order some HID's. i don't want this to be a DDM vs Bavtoys thread, so do not make it that gang.

I just get very angry when I spend the time to post replying to someone asking a question, giving facts and experiences for it just to be taken away and my time lost. Also, I think it is terrible ethical business practice to do what is being done.

Now that you guys mention it, habbie always says that his products are the best but he never has any proof to back it up. If I had the money I would buy a bunch of lights and have a review but I don't. I can tell you that in one thread habbie sunk so low as to delete Jim Powell's post so he could advertise first even though Jim(DDM) answered the OP first.

That for me, was what set me off. I just think its wrong and I made that evident, guess what happened? I got banned for a week.
I'm not implying that the company's products are bad, they're not. I'm implying that the way habbie runs things is wrong and unethical.

Now that you guys mention it, habbie always says that his products are the best but he never has any proof to back it up. If I had the money I would buy a bunch of lights and have a review but I don't. I can tell you that in one thread habbie sunk so low as to delete Jim Powell's post so he could advertise first even though Jim(DDM) answered the OP first.


:lol:lolThats nuts especially since DDM is a paying vendor on the forum as well.

He deletes half of my posts on "HIS" forum, even threatened me via PM, I invited him to show up at Bimmerfest but BavToys wasn't to be see:D

thank god he doesnt have the ability to delete posts here. Or else this thread wouldn't have any posts.

Believe me he will get the mods to shut this thread down ASAP. I tried to get warranty replacement prolumen bulbs from him and he refused, said I broke the bulb and called me a liar (he told me prolumen bulbs never fail:shifty) so I posted on this forum. Kevlar shut it down ASAP and he got out of giving me anything.

I felt so ripped off and the sad thing is that the moderators defend his behavior, Kevlar PM'd me and said they deal with stuff like that behind the scenes:shifty He never helped me get a replacement bulb....

Here is the link to my locked thread, which was in the right forum BTW:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=729666

m3mobbin: I think if everything is kept civil and kept on topic I see no need or reason to shut this thread down. we are discussing a vendor in the vendor section. This thread will not be a DDM vs Bavtoys as I have said so please do not make it that way. I read about what happened with your bulbs and that stinks, really bad. Wish I could help but maybe exposing the company for the ethical practices that they do might help at some point down the road. If not for you, someone else down the road.

hahaha all the DDM boys all in 1 thread. this is cute.

Not very many people see this thread on this sub forum. Oh well

Mpowered95, back from your ban I see? It was peaceful while you were gone. It was nice

Mpowered95, back from your ban I see? It was peaceful while you were gone. It was nice

:rofl werent you banned too?

Yah man, habbie made a new rule on the lighting forum. No reposting when your post gets deleted and no off topic content whatsoever or you get the boot. He needs to make a sticky or something. Oh and I forgot to mention this only applys to people who don't support bavtoys.

i cant help you with that, maybe you should ask a moderator. good luck on your big plan guys!

thanks for the support Mpowered95! Glad to see that you realized how wrong you were on the other side. Tisk, tisk

good luck on your big plan guys!

thanks for your positive reinforcement.

btw, this is in the wrong section... if you have an issue with the moderation or admin on this forum, it shouldnt go in the vendor section. congrats on the baby eurotunerwerks

btw, this is in the wrong section... if you have an issue with the moderation or admin on this forum, it shouldnt go in the vendor section. congrats on the baby eurotunerwerks

thanks, time is getting close. but this is the correct section, it is dealing with a vendor and their actions so I see this is the perfect spot for it.

actually Mpowered95, according to Kevlar, habbie is a sponsor with extra powers. So don't bother trying to get this thread shut down. Its in the right place and we havent broken any rules. Like you said in another thread "get on topic or leave" your words exactly lol

hahaha all the DDM boys all in 1 thread. this is cute.

Great... who let you back out of your cage:confused

are you complaining about his products that you've bought from him?

Btw Mpowered95, don't come in here and say "DDM boys" and nonsense like that. We aren't spokespersons for a company like you. We are simply members voicing the truth about a sponsor abusing their power. If you don't like it, bite me

be easy guys, he is welcome here just as much as anyone else. this thread has nothing to do with any type of competition. it is strictly about Bavtoys so lets keep it that way please.

So lets keep a track of news things we have learned today :

1. prolumen have failed 4 times for 1 customer. Does Bavtoys claim only a 4% fail rate? he must have been most of the (i have never heard anything bad about them because it seems like people are not allowed to in a certain forum that pertains to the specific product)

2. another is having refund issues.

3. has called customers liar's and accused them of giving the wrong info.

4. would not replace a bulb under the warranty that was claimed because he said the customer caused it to break.

look at the description under Vendor comments. It says "any comments about a vendor" what are you getting at? We are in the right place and there's nothing wrong with what we are doing.

indeed that info may be accurate but ive had failures with all my HID kits bought from Apexcone/DDM, nothing lasts forever. if some1 breaks an item and lies about breaking it, it should not be under warranty.

be easy guys, he is welcome here just as much as anyone else. this thread has nothing to do with any type of competition. it is strictly about Bavtoys so lets keep it that way please.

So lets keep a track of news things we have learned today :

1. prolumen have failed 4 times for 1 customer. Does Bavtoys claim only a 4% fail rate? he must have been most of the (i have never heard anything bad about them because it seems like people are not allowed to in a certain forum that pertains to the specific product)

2. another is having refund issues.

3. has called customers liar's and accused them of giving the wrong info.

4. would not replace a bulb under the warranty that was claimed because he said the customer caused it to break.

Building a nice track record isn't he?

indeed that info may be accurate but ive had failures with all my HID kits bought from Apexcone/DDM, nothing lasts forever. if some1 breaks an item and lies about breaking it, it should not be under warranty.

I am sure you have, but this thread has nothing to do with Apexcone/DDM so don't take it there. If you would like to express your concerns with that vendor, please make a thread about it. It does not belong here. Keep your post on topic please. I am sure it happens with all HID's but I don't see other's tauting a 4% failure rate. Not Phillips, no one other than Bavtoys. How are we to believe that % when we see the ethics of the company?

I agree, if someone breaks an item it should not be covered, but for defense on both sides, we don't know if he really broke it or not, unless we were both there when it happened, wouldn't that be correct? So we could not make any accusations on that matter, correct? What happened to customer service and making things right?

its funny how people who never bought anything from a vendor are so quick to slander. ill leave it at that. congrats once again eurotunerwerks and may i give you all the luck in the future.

Mpowered95 mind if I call you M? Ok, first off you can't pick and choose which stories to falsify. If your HIDs failed then so did his ok? We can all say you are lieing about yours can we not? Ok that's settled

its funny how people who never bought anything from a vendor are so quick to slander. ill leave it at that. congrats once again eurotunerwerks and may i give you all the luck in the future.

Mpowered, i truly appreciate that. it is a real life changer and I am realizing that now, talk about making you want to bust your butt even more to make sure they will live a decent lifestyle.

But I have also tried to give him business. and it wouldn't be slander but rather liable if you wanted to get down to it, but it is neither considering we are speaking from personal experiences where the truth is being told.

ahh, eurotunerwerks... you're the only DDM boy ill ever respect.

ahh, eurotunerwerks... you're the only DDM boy ill ever respect.

the feeling is reciprocated but we just have to agree to disagree.

just glad me and you can be civil minded about things. take care man! btw, beautiful name you picked out. my good friend named his daughter that and just opened up a restaurant named after her.

I think that the way habbie handles the lighting section is ridiculous. When I had a complaint, I mentioned both the good and the bad. I mentioned that I made over $1000 dollars worth of transactions through habbie. All of them, except the last were great.
Basically, every time I purchase something from him, I ask for a PM with a tracking number. I was not even aware of the fact that PayPal had a tracking option. He e-mails/PMs it to me every time. This last time, I PMed him 10 times and he just ignored all my PM attempts. When I made a thread he berated me, and showed me that the item was already in the office downstairs for a few days.
I kept trying to rationalize with him and told him that I'm used to interacting with him via PM. He said, that he should not have to send me PMs with tracking numbers because that would hurt his sales (takes too much time to send a PM) and accused me of having the item all along.

For over a week I had no idea it was in my apartment office downstairs. So instead of responding to one of my 10 PMs, he waited for me to make a thread and made atleast 10 posts in it.

Later when I opened the box, here is what I found:
I needed 2 ballasts replaced because they were both not working. I got one new ballast back and one of my old broken ballasts back. He even wrote on the back of the ballast "Dead".:rolleyes

Will never make another transaction through him.

What a child. I suppose I may have a similar experience. I got to set some time aside to do my vendor comments, it'll be read. The lighting forum garbage I can deal with. Long as this area stays neutral. Anyone can type what they want, but it is obvious what is going on.

hahaha all the DDM boys all in 1 thread. this is cute.

I guess buying over grand worth of stuff from habbie makes me a "DDM boy". I would have continued buying from him if he didn't react the way he did in the thread I made.

hahaha all the DDM boys all in 1 thread. this is cute.

Like I've said before I was a regular customer with Umnitza and Habbie, the only reason I'm posting here is that I got RIPPED OFF by Habbie. DDM actually provided me with good service and better prices, so I would have to be an idiot to keep shopping with BT/Umnitza. I went with vendors who won't insult me, call me a liar, and run away from the problem if I ask for warranty replacements either.:shifty

If Habbie provided me with the service that he promised, and that I paid for, I would still be a regular customer with him, that isn't too hard to understand , is it???

Like I've said before I was a regular customer with Umnitza and Habbie, the only reason I'm posting here is that I got RIPPED OFF by Habbie. DDM actually provided me with good service and better prices, so I would have to be an idiot to keep shopping with BT/Umnitza. I went with vendors who won't insult me, call me a liar, and run away from the problem if I ask for warranty replacements either.:shifty

If Habbie provided me with the service that he promised, and that I paid for, I would still be a regular customer with him, that isn't too hard to understand , is it???

imo, this post speaks volumes.

imo, this post speaks volumes.

Not so. He's missing some important chapters.

Not so. He's missing some important chapters.


so please provide us a link or the rest of the story.....since you seem to have read and written the missing chapters.

Yah man, give us the chapters! I like to read. Or if you don't have em...

I already posted the link but here it is again, it was locked by Kevlar ASAP. In the thread is the entire conversation over BFC, but what is missing is the phone dialouge which is what really pissed me off. Habbie was extremely rude, and then put Matt from Umnitza on the phone to repeat the same thing that Habbie said, after 30+ minutes of hearing the same BS, being called a liar, and not being able to say anything I said enough with this and hung up...


http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=729666

I already posted the link but here it is again, it was locked by Kevlar ASAP. In the thread is the entire conversation over BFC, but what is missing is the phone dialouge which is what really pissed me off. Habbie was extremely rude, and then put Matt from Umnitza on the phone to repeat the same thing that Habbie said, after 30+ minutes of hearing the same BS, being called a liar, and not being able to say anything I said enough with this and hung up...


http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=729666

hold up, hold up........so matt and habbie work together? i know about Matt maybe supplying Habbie, but did they have you on a three way convo or something?

hold up, hold up........so matt and habbie work together? i know about Matt maybe supplying Habbie, but did they have you on a three way convo or something?

bavtoys is owned and controlled by umnitza... a subsidiary.

bavtoys is owned and controlled by umnitza... a subsidiary.


ohhhhhhhhhh..........so now it is all coming together. thanks for the info. as you see, I have learned something new again today.

ohhhhhhhhhh..........so now it is all coming together. thanks for the info. as you see, I have learned something new again today.

i believe bavtoys used to be called umnitza-east. I think as time went along, habbie was "promoted" to handle the bf.c market entirely, and soon he came up with bavtoys as the name to create a sense that him and umnitza are not the same company. I don't know why there's so much secrecy behind who is supplying, who is working for, whose company is really just a storefront to cater to a specific market (in this case, e46fanatics, m3forum, bfc, etc), and who is part of whose "triad" so to speak.

i believe bavtoys used to be called umnitza-east. I think as time went along, habbie was "promoted" to handle the bf.c market entirely, and soon he came up with bavtoys as the name to create a sense that him and umnitza are not the same company. I don't know why there's so much secrecy behind who is supplying, who is working for, whose company is really just a storefront to cater to a specific market (in this case, e46fanatics, m3forum, bfc, etc), and who is part of whose "triad" so to speak.

oh, you mean like DDM, Apexcone, Khoalty? :rofl

oh, you mean like DDM, Apexcone, Khoalty? :rofl

Mpowered, please stay on topic. this is NOT about DDM, Apexcone, Khoalty. I will ask for the post to be deleted. completely off topic. We are not here to compare the two vendors.

Thanks again and have a good weekend.

Apexcone= Wholesale
DDM= Retail
Khoalty= One of many vendors who buy from us wholesale to sell retail.

I really have no interest in these threads other than to see who is going to show up and take them off topic, but since the question was asked, I felt it deserved an answer.


-Casey

Mpowered, please stay on topic. this is NOT about DDM, Apexcone, Khoalty. I will ask for the post to be deleted. completely off topic. We are not here to compare the two vendors.

Thanks again and have a good weekend.


so why bring up Umnitza if you are talking about Bav Toys? i guess you should ask for your post and M3mobbin's to be deleted as well.

All of your Bav toys merchandise will come with an umnitza sticker on the box. Thats enough for me

Mpowered95, we are all glad to have you here but if you are going to stay and post nonsense, please leave. I'll be glad to have you in on this conversation if your posts stay on topic. This thread is meant to address Bavtoys and if umnitza is who bavtoys gets their products from, then an indirect reference to them is perfectly acceptable IMO.

oh, you mean like DDM, Apexcone, Khoalty? :rofl

exactly! except, here's the kicker - I'm pretty sure Jim doesn't care if you know that they're all shipping from one warehouse for each vendor. DDM says for CA residents, to buy it from understeer to avoid sales tax, then pick up locally. Again, the reason I know khoalty is in it too is because jim publically informed everyone of his relationship with khoa.

So - is there anything wrong with it? No, there really isn't. it's a how a business chooses to organize, diversify, and market their products. It's just interesting because whenever you ask habbie about his relationship with umnitza, there's always some "we buy together but we're different" type answer.

what is that thread called "Bavtoys vs DDM yet again"? my posts are in there and I never posted there. some moderator is moving my posts or something, what is going on. I want an answer

what is that thread called "Bavtoys vs DDM yet again"? my posts are in there and I never posted there. some moderator is moving my posts or something, what is going on. I want an answer

what else did you expect?

what is that thread called "Bavtoys vs DDM yet again"? my posts are in there and I never posted there. some moderator is moving my posts or something, what is going on. I want an answer
We reserve the right to move things as necessry.

Since this thread has degraded down to nothing. It has been closed.