just because you have a vtec doesnt mean you are the sh*t! on that note i had this 2dr civic pull up on me (newest one) revving his engine. i can hear his exhaust and intake. i didnt want to be bothered that nite so i didnt respond to him thinking he would leave, but he kept driving next 2 me revving for like a minute.
finally i was like bump it and just took off leaving him at least 10 car lengths then shut it down. i was on a section of rte.22 that usually cops squat(watchung). anyway here he comes again, so i let him get up 2 my door and i take off again. once again another 10 car lengths and i shut it down. he catches up and does the fly by then slows back down for another go. i just threw my hand up 2 say i was done and he drives off fast speeding right past a mountainside cop. luckily 4 him he didnt see him. it was my first race in a long time, but still fun.

His car was a SOHC VTEC..........:laugh....those are so weak, I don't know what he was thinkin :dunno:

He was on crack :D

Just because you have a BMW doesn't mean you are the shit. Remember that.

Nice kill.

Gents, just a friendly reminder to not make a habit of using profanity in the Main Forums... thanks... :)

Originally posted by dave is cool
Just because you have a BMW doesn't mean you are the shit. Remember that.



I don't see where he implied that... :dunno

i never said i was, theres always some one faster. could i put astericks in the place of the letters silver or is that wrong also?

Sure. No biggie, just something to keep an eye on, so it doesn't run rampant... :)

VTEC

Very Timid Economy Car

:lol: Behave... :D

But thats no fun. ;)

a civic might not be a fast car but you cant go bashing on vtec. vtec is FAR supieror then bmw's vanos system. anyone who knows about them both knows that. now people who think their cars are just fast because of vtec are dumb, but vtec is very good. this is comin from a diehard bmw fan:)

VTEC is much much more simplified then double vanos, ask Samir( aka Technik, the bmw tuner in CA). With vtec, all you do is change the cam gears and you're set for some gains. Try doing that with a BMW.....you need special tools to set timing etc.....IE it is much much more sophisticated then VTEC.....i know this as a fact. Do some research.

I also heard that the germans invented the earliest versions of of what later became vtec vanos double vanos etc...however, i am not sure about this.

Here read this, very interesting read:
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?threadid=4925&highlight=amir+technik

Was it the new Civic SI? Those cars can be fast.

vtec = very tall engine cooling



haha

i believe so. 2dr looks like a wedge on wheels. my sister just got one actually. its a decnt car. like i said he also had an intake and exhaust. we could hear a little
growl along with a fart.

Originally posted by spiderman97
[B]just because you have a vtec doesnt mean you are the sh*t! B]

Don't make an ass of yourself. Don't assume that every guy in a Civic thinks this:nono

I am almost positive Honda's VTEC was the first new technology of its kind. AM I wrong but have all the manufacturers come up with their own version since?

VTEC is a milestone as far as I know.

Originally posted by dave is cool
Just because you have a BMW doesn't mean you are the shit. Remember that.

Nice kill.

:clap:

VTEC is undoubtedly a pretty good system. Its much more simplified than say, BMW's VANOS or Porsche's Varioram Both the German systems are constantly adjusting to the way the car is being driven and providing maximum possible power throughout the range.

Honda's VTEC system is more like an "on/off" switch used to increase peak power in the upper band of the RPM range. While its a great system, the gentlemen that posted something to the effect of "those that think VTEC makes their car fast are stupid" pretty much hit the nail on the head.

The 5-10 immediate increase in HP is perceieved to be a "jump" while at WOT (when the switch is flipped to "on" for example) and thats why it "feels" fast and you read about idiotic "he was ahead until VTEC kicked in" threads on www.importthugs.com. BMW's or Porsche's systems are difficult to "feel" because they are always working to prodcue optimal timing, not just in the upper RPM range.

Again, all three are great systems, but to hail "VTEC" as some sort of poor mans turbocharger is kind of ridiculous. VTEC or not, we're still talking about small displacement ecomomy engines. For the class they're in, they are fantastic little cars. They may be "fast" when compared to Cavaliers or 318's, but fast is a very relative term: an F355 is fast... a Civic Si is not.

I perceive my 911 to be "slower than dripping honey" so you can imagine what I think of the ricer definition of "fast."

It is like an on/off switch. It isn't a WOT switch, though. It switches to a different cam profile at the RPM determined by the ECU, and the ECU can be replaced or reflashed depending on the model. All the power is in the top end for some of these cars (it's a lot more than a 5-10hp boost, but nothing like a spooled turbo). Other models are tuned for low-end driveability and have very little up there.

Where BMW tries to get the best performance throughout the rev range, Honda likes to keep their engines extremely environmentally friendly below the vtec changeover. I would prefer a vanos-type system myself.

Check out this (http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-article?article_id=101836) NA RSX-S. You can see the changeover on the dyno charts. Notice the chart at the upper right, where the stock vtec changeover is at 5,800, and it looks like Hytech moved it to a little below 5k.

With some earlier vtec cars, and still somewhat with un-modded RSX's, the bump was due in part to a dip in power before the changeover. So part of Mr. Civic's feeling of speed is due to regaining power that he lost a split second before.

Originally posted by slickav
Don't make an ass of yourself. Don't assume that every guy in a Civic thinks this:nono
Maybe it was the following him around and revving that gave it away. :az: I've had Tercels and Cavaliers do this to me.

Originally posted by Hugo
I don't see where he implied that... :dunno

Agreed, but then again Dave has a chip on his shoulder when it comes to anything vs. Japanese cars....

Well he said "just because you have vtec doesn't mean you are the s**t", so I assumed that he was talking bad about every car with vtec. Guess I shouldn't assume things in the future :dunno

"Guess I shouldn't assume things in the future"

The smartest words I've seen from you in months... ;)

i didnt mean all vtecs just that particular one. no biggie.

Originally posted by Stuttgart951
VTEC or not, we're still talking about small displacement ecomomy engines. For the class they're in, they are fantastic little cars. They may be "fast" when compared to Cavaliers or 318's, but fast is a very relative term: an F355 is fast... a Civic Si is not.

I perceive my 911 to be "slower than dripping honey" so you can imagine what I think of the ricer definition of "fast."
My VTEC car was fast in stock trim (and I also perceived 911s to be slow) and with the SC and < 3000 lbs. weight it even seems pretty fast compared to a 996TT (which I've driven in and against) - heck, F355s seem like molasses. That's this ricer's definition of fast. :devillook

Seriously though, VTEC is good, but ancient technology. What it did was give you the effective benefit of having two cam profiles to optimize the TQ curve. iVTEC and all the other manufacturers' equivalents are the way to go, along with variable intake runners (Honda did that too).

All fast cars are fun, including P-cars, but Honda definitely knows a thing or two about that...