The roads were a little wet, this WRX and I were testing each other, I killed him on the straights but the guy was amazing at weaving in and out of traffic and took turns at very high speeds on wet roads, maybe I'm getting old and responsible or the WRX and this guy just out handled me and my M5.

WRX out did an E39 M5!!!!! damn

Originally posted by sachin528
WRX out did an E39 M5!!!!! damn
In tight turns he had me.

weight is your enemy

I have to give the guy props on his driving as well.

awd systems are nice to have in the wet

Was his car modified?

Yeah AWD and weight were to his advantage.....and maybe you were being more careful than he was? :dunno

Either way, WRX's are fast and people don't give them enough credit where it's due :az:

WRX is fast on wet curvy roads ... on dry and curvy road, you should be able to take him out easily

my friend's 528i e39 can kill stock WRX in straight line, WRX top speed is not too high... therefore easy kill on straight line, but almost impossible to kill on wet and curvy roads.

Originally posted by MotorWerkz
WRX is fast on wet curvy roads ... on dry and curvy road, you should be able to take him out easily

my friend's 528i e39 can kill stock WRX in straight line, WRX top speed is not too high... therefore easy kill on straight line, but almost impossible to kill on wet and curvy roads.

:confused:

a 190hp 3800lb sedan can kill a 230hp 3000 lb. wrx?

No.

Yeah I was shocked b0rf. I outran a WRX on the highway. I think it has to do with their gearing or something, but I pulled on him pretty good. At higher speed, the few hundred more that the E39 weighs than my 328 probably doesn't matter as much.

theres noway a 528 is taking on a WRX.. those cars can be worked for sleepers easily and cheap in comparision. Watch out for those guys who love to take out high priced and high powered cars for fun. Ive never raced one personally... I really need to drive my car more often. :stickoutt

I have no idea too, but my friend seems to always beat WRX on highway race, not from dead-stop. the WRX driver were indeed racing because he weaved in and out traffic as desperately as a fugitive being chased by cops..

I believe that BMW has better gearing for highway driving than WRX.

WRX will lose on highway run against any BMW that has larger displacement than 2.5L, but from dead-stop, WRX will totally rape BMW owner (except M3, M5, X5 4.6, and Z8)

I don't feel bad if a guy can outrun me in traffic because under no circumstance should you be screwing around in traffic anyway, that's why people like us tend to let off. Just not worth it.

Isn't the WRX pretty much geared to get a great 0-60 time? Personally I don't obsess about the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times on AWD cars, the launch is such an advantage there, it won't translate as well to the track. If the 330xi had a AWD system that didn't put the power to the wheel with least traction, I bet it'd stomp out a pretty nice 0-60 too. :D

Originally posted by sfhighroller
Was his car modified?
It seemed heavily modified, had huge exhaust, and amazing xeon lights. I would love to see this guy again on dry raods, anyways much respect to this guy and his WRX.

i've posted in the kills section before... and I walked a wrx on the highway... stock m3 before the chip. we were neck and neck till 100mph, after that, it was lights out for the lil 4 banger.

Don't know guys, maybe I'm just getting old. :(

Whats up with the avatar rave?

Originally posted by SR20Fastback
Whats up with the avatar rave?
It's a picture of me, why do you ask? :dunno

WRXs have a VERY long 4th gear, so they're slow as hell after like 80.

Matt

I thought all WRXs have short gearing?

Originally posted by Rave M5
It's a picture of me, why do you ask? :dunno

Hah Ok, I figured it was you, but it kind of reminded me of AC Slater from Saved By The Bell (minus the curly mullet :) )

Originally posted by SR20Fastback
Hah Ok, I figured it was you, but it kind of reminded me of AC Slater from Saved By The Bell (minus the curly mullet :) )
No mullet here, at least you didn't say I look like scretch :12:

I dunno, I wouldn't raise the BS flag on the 528 walking a stock WRX at 80+ too quickly... There's more to it than hp/weight ratio.

Have to agree with Matt - Stock, the 'Rex hits a brick wall above 80, it seems. At least it did to me when mine was stock.

Watch out for the modded ones, though...

"my friend's 528i e39 can kill stock WRX in straight line"

He didn't say anything about 80+, he simply said 'in a straight line'.

Originally posted by b0rf
"my friend's 528i e39 can kill stock WRX in straight line"

He didn't say anything about 80+, he simply said 'in a straight line'.

Others did mention 80+, I just assumed that's what he meant as well. I was giving him credit for not being delusional, I guess. :biglaughb

WRX don't pull hard on the freeway b/c of drivetrain loss....its an AWD car and its putting power to 4 wheels instead of just 2....so the only real advantage AWD cars have is off the line where it will launch hard...from a roll AWD cars like the WRX, GSX, EVO etc...all have a slight disadvantage b/c power is being transfered to 4 wheels instead of 2...and BTW, I have walked on a 530i on the freeway, it was an automatic, but still...I was pulling pretty hard, it was my friend driving his dads car, and my car was pretty stock...only thing it had was a cat back exhaust....ohh and it also has 3 12's in it which weighs the car down quite a bit, but thats not too important..

uh well if an s4 loses almost 25% hp through drivetrain being AWD, does a WRX lose just as much or less or mroe?

probably about the same...im not sure aobut that though

When and where? How about the color or plate number?
I know a few WRX with heavy mod in the city. May be it's one of the QWC.

Originally posted by SIbmw
When and where? How about the color or plate number?
I know a few WRX with heavy mod in the city. May be it's one of the QWC.
Blue car, with crazy xeon lights, oriental driver with girl passenger, we started at Jewel ave and wound up on the cross Island pkwy. Date 5/16 at night.

i almost had a WRX with my 325....i don`t bel u!!!

A) WRX was modded
B) He wasn't driving as aggressively

Originally posted by LinearX
A) WRX was modded
B) He wasn't driving as aggressively
Are you referring to me?

Originally posted by Shahbaz
i almost had a WRX with my 325....i don`t bel u!!!

Yes. In reference to the above statement "I don't beleive you!". You state the WRX was weaving in and out of traffic very aggressively, more so than you did, correct?

Originally posted by LinearX
Yes. In reference to the above statement "I don't beleive you!". You state the WRX was weaving in and out of traffic very aggressively, more so than you did, correct?
Much more aggressively, some of the move he made were crazy, why don't you beleive me? why would I lie?

some people overrate WRX .. but let them believe what they want to believe.. the truth is always out there.

WRX will be beaten in highway race by "most" BMWs, Top Gear magazine also rated that BMW M-Coupe has better handling than WRX STi

Ron, was this a Yellow WRX ? With a huge wing ont he back , with a carbon fibre hood ?
If so, that dude is pushing out 400 hp..... :)

Originally posted by Dj Waffelz
Ron, was this a Yellow WRX ? With a huge wing ont he back , with a carbon fibre hood ?
If so, that dude is pushing out 400 hp..... :)
No.

Maybe you dont drive youre M5 to the limit? ;)

Originally posted by slickav
Maybe you dont drive youre M5 to the limit? ;)

Nice story, Rave M5. :D You're an honest man and there's nothing to be ashamed of driving with some restraint in traffic, in the wet. WRX driver in this case was kind of stupid, IMO, driving like that on the street just to impress his girl, or whatever his motivation was.

I wouldn't even mess with an M5 on the street. Except for the launch, there is no place there to safely take adantage of the WRX's strengths....At Thunderhill HPDE one time, had a great dice with a young Asian woman driving an M5. She'd pull me on the straights, I was all over her in the turns and after several laps of this, she let me by. Then we really started pushing it, both clipped cones in the chicane area and got black flagged. :( :)

Later she admitted she was a little afraid to really cut loose with those 400hp. Otherwise, I don't really see how I could have stayed with her.

Originally posted by slickav
Maybe you dont drive youre M5 to the limit? ;)
I sure don't, especially in traffic on wet roads.

I don't think a 5 series can take a WRX. Check out these two links for their times.
528I (http://www.car-stats.com/stats/showstats/showstatsgivenid.aspx)

WRX (http://www.car-stats.com/stats/showstats/showstatsgivenid.aspx)

I don't know, maybe the WRX wasn't trying. :dunno

What do you guys think?

Ops! Messed up on the WRX link. Here it is.

WRX (http://www.car-stats.com/stats/showstats/showstatsgivenid.aspx)

Yellow WRX,wing and carbon fiber hood..sounds like one of the SQC's ride,BTW he doesn't have the hood anymore,its goes to another yellow WRX I know and this one is more mild.
Wait until he gets his hands on his new STI (should be here by the end of June),then he'll start all the CRAZY mod AGAIN.

there are a couple of WRXs here in Yonkers that are pretty fast, a blue one has a lot of parts from japan and a black wagon with Catz HIDs and some Blitz turbo parts. They are pushing like 300hp
I doubt the blue one is the one you met, they are usually on the I-95 or the Deegan going to queens

Originally posted by Rave M5
Blue car, with crazy xeon lights, oriental driver with girl passenger, we started at Jewel ave and wound up on the cross Island pkwy. Date 5/16 at night.

Hey I am not Asian, but I have a lot of friends who are, and calling an asian person Oriental is like calling a black person nigger.

Just thought i'd inform you of that for future reference.

-Zoeb

Originally posted by 02WRX
Hey I am not Asian, but I have a lot of friends who are, and calling an asian person Oriental is like calling a black person nigger.



Where does that come from? Is he or is he not Oriental? Just like I'm caucasian/white. I don't see how «oriental» is derogatory. Gook, yes. Oriental? In my book, no.

From a LOT of asian people I know, calling them oriental is derogatory, Don't ask me why, I am not asian, but it is the truth, ask some asian people.

Damn, people are sensitive these days.

Oh, and «black» is bad too, I guess? «African-American» is better?

Shit... What about black people from England? African... huh... European? Puhleeze.

So I guess from now on, don't call me white, I resent that.

Call me caucasian-canadian.

not looking to start a flame war here...just trying to correct someones mistake so he doesn't say it in front of an asian person...

I had a couple of encounter with WRXs. One was pretty modded from the sound of it. It had a really nice sounding BOV and exhaust. I was behind him (kinda close) doing about 65mph on the freeway. When the traffic cleared he went WOT and I was waiting for him in 3rd gear. He took off before I did but the gap closed quickly and by the end of 3rd I was knocking on his back door. We came up to traffic and it was time to shut it down. Pretty good run but this particular one was not M3 fast.

Originally posted by 02WRX
not looking to start a flame war here...just trying to correct someones mistake so he doesn't say it in front of an asian person...

No problem, I'm just saying that people seem to want to find all sorts of names for everything these days. Waste of time

:)

Here are a couple of links about the term, just for information.

http://www.geocities.com/chriskakimi/locke.html

http://www.etherzone.com/2002/powell082102.shtml


I didn't spend too much time looking up so I only came across a few, anyways there are a couple of them, just to show its deragatory...its also illegal to say it in some states as well.

-Zoeb

Originally posted by BMWBlue
I don't think a 5 series can take a WRX. Check out these two links for their times.
528I (http://www.car-stats.com/stats/showstats/showstatsgivenid.aspx)

WRX (http://www.car-stats.com/stats/showstats/showstatsgivenid.aspx)

I don't know, maybe the WRX wasn't trying. :dunno

What do you guys think?

well .. you can believe what you want to believe .. if you have WRX, I would love to use my friend's 528i to race you 20 miles .. how does that sound?

I mentioned that my friend's was not racing from a stop, but from 70 mph roll, my friend topped out at ~135 mph and that WRX topped out at around 125 mph .. we are talking about top speed here .. not acceleration. :)

"amazing at weaving in and out of traffic and took turns at very high speeds on wet roads"

idk about being better than you just more stupid than you, this guy could have easily killed someone. i am down with fun encounters but only in a responsible setting.
and it may be just me but every WRX i have seen/heard with an exhaust sounds like shit

OK... Any lighter decent HPed car will outdo a 4000lb car in tight turns. A miata will do that!
What's the big deal.
Get the M5 on a roadcourse with long sweepers, and the WRX may not shine as much.

The WRX are amazing till about 100mph, where they hit a wall...

Originally posted by MotorWerkz
well .. you can believe what you want to believe .. if you have WRX, I would love to use my friend's 528i to race you 20 miles .. how does that sound?

I mentioned that my friend's was not racing from a stop, but from 70 mph roll, my friend topped out at ~135 mph and that WRX topped out at around 125 mph .. we are talking about top speed here .. not acceleration. :)

if he topped out at 125, he would have to have an auto, b/c the sticks dont top off at that speed...WRX's arent built for top speed, but even though u werent talkin to me, I would LOVE to race you on the freeway with a 528, as long as the 528 is stock, b/c like I said I have beaten a 530 which is quite a bit more powerful then a 528, I am so confident I would put a $10,000 bet on it....but again, like I said this is stock vs stock...a stock WRX vs a stock 528.....the WRX does NOT top out at 125, I know that for FACT..

so to sum things up

Originally posted by MotorWerkz
how does that sound?


Sounds Great to me :D

-Zoeb

I don't have too much experience with WRX's but I ran into one last night. I'm not sure how modded it was but it had a loud blow off valve and nice wheels. He got the jump on me and we stayed the same distance all the way up to 120. I wasn't holding back anything and I didn't close the gap. Like I said, I'm not sure what was in the WRX, but it was fast.

I forgot one thing that I'm sure made a difference. He caught me off guard and I was in 4th going around 75. I should have downshifted but I didn't. I know that can make a big difference.

Originally posted by 97Msedan
I forgot one thing that I'm sure made a difference. He caught me off guard and I was in 4th going around 75. I should have downshifted but I didn't. I know that can make a big difference.

I dont know how the gearing is in an M3, but I would not downshift to 3rd at 75 MPH in my WRX, and I would not have in my 325is either...

I have an E46 325 and I can go on 3rd until 85, so I can still downshift to 3rd.

02WRX, can you do that on your car?

I think E36 M3's redline 3rd gear around 93-96 mph.... :dunno

Originally posted by BMWBlue
I have an E46 325 and I can go on 3rd until 85, so I can still downshift to 3rd.

02WRX, can you do that on your car?

my 3rd gear goes to about 95mph, I just dont downshift to 3rd often cuz it can't be good for the car, plus I boost enough at about 75 mph in 4th gear for me not to down shift at that point....at 65, maybe even 70, I normally do downshift to 3rd though.

If you rev-match accurately, it's safe... assuming you know what you're doing...

Originally posted by SilverStreak
I think E36 M3's redline 3rd gear around 93-96 mph.... :dunno

Stock, probably ~5 MPH lower than that.

With a chip... you are right on the nose.

My friend is on there and he showed my this thread. Personaly I'm not going to race in traffic. Yes, I have a WRX wagon and have much respect for BMW's. The guy in the WRX is dumb. Keep the racing to the track. I know for a fact I could not take a 5 series on the highway. From 0-60 yeah (not talking M's here).
I know what kind of power M's have..Sure anyone of you can spank me on the track or highway.. But can you take me in Pinebarrens(Lots and lots of dirt trails in NJ)? My point is a WRX is a WRX and a BMW is a BMW.. Two different cars. One's rally inspired, and the other one is German engineered.
Oh and BTW just because a REX has a BOV and exhaust doen't mean it's heavily modded. A BOV does nothing as far as power is concerned. If the exhaust is a Full Turbo back than yeah it's modded. But not heavily.... I have on my wagon an axel back Prodrive muffler and had a BOV( I took it off).. That doesn't make me heavily modded. BOV=No Hp gains. Axel back muffler added 3-5hp's. That's all I've done so far. I hope this clears things up.. I wish I could get an M3 and keep my wrx wagon..Maybe someday.
..This is a HEAVILY modded Wagon racing a Z8
-----------> http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=363419

Can't WRX's and BMW's just get along....
:astromile

Originally posted by ScoobieSteve
My friend is on there and he showed my this thread. Personaly I'm not going to race in traffic. Yes, I have a WRX wagon and have much respect for BMW's. The guy in the WRX is dumb. Keep the racing to the track. I know for a fact I could not take a 5 series on the highway. From 0-60 yeah (not talking M's here).
I know what kind of power M's have..Sure anyone of you can spank me on the track or highway.. But can you take me in Pinebarrens(Lots and lots of dirt trails in NJ)? My point is a WRX is a WRX and a BMW is a BMW.. Two different cars. One's rally inspired, and the other one is German engineered.
Oh and BTW just because a REX has a BOV and exhaust doen't mean it's heavily modded. A BOV does nothing as far as power is concerned. If the exhaust is a Full Turbo back than yeah it's modded. But not heavily.... I have on my wagon an axel back Prodrive muffler and had a BOV( I took it off).. That doesn't make me heavily modded. BOV=No Hp gains. Axel back muffler added 3-5hp's. That's all I've done so far. I hope this clears things up.. I wish I could get an M3 and keep my wrx wagon..Maybe someday.
..This is a HEAVILY modded Wagon racing a Z8
-----------> http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=363419

Can't WRX's and BMW's just get along....
:astromile

Have you raced a 5 series on the freeway before, I am just saying from personal experience, I have beat a 530i on the freeway...my car is not heavily modded at all...all I have is a cat back and a BOV..which like u said has no power gains...the cat back probably gives me like 4-7 HP though...anyways, I get along with any and ever cool BMW driver, b/c I used to be one and BMW's are still my favorite car, BY FAR, they are VERY well engineered and there is no better car on the road in my personal opinion...

-Zoeb

Originally posted by ScoobieSteve
My friend is on there and he showed my this thread. Personaly I'm not going to race in traffic. Yes, I have a WRX wagon and have much respect for BMW's. The guy in the WRX is dumb. Keep the racing to the track. I know for a fact I could not take a 5 series on the highway. From 0-60 yeah (not talking M's here).
I know what kind of power M's have..Sure anyone of you can spank me on the track or highway.. But can you take me in Pinebarrens(Lots and lots of dirt trails in NJ)? My point is a WRX is a WRX and a BMW is a BMW.. Two different cars. One's rally inspired, and the other one is German engineered.
Oh and BTW just because a REX has a BOV and exhaust doen't mean it's heavily modded. A BOV does nothing as far as power is concerned. If the exhaust is a Full Turbo back than yeah it's modded. But not heavily.... I have on my wagon an axel back Prodrive muffler and had a BOV( I took it off).. That doesn't make me heavily modded. BOV=No Hp gains. Axel back muffler added 3-5hp's. That's all I've done so far. I hope this clears things up.. I wish I could get an M3 and keep my wrx wagon..Maybe someday.
..This is a HEAVILY modded Wagon racing a Z8
-----------> http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=363419

Can't WRX's and BMW's just get along....
:astromile :clap: :clap: Very nicely put! :clap:

My friend (who's on this board) has a 525I. He's pulled on me on the highway. 02WRX are you on any Subaru forums? Such as NASIOC, clubwrx, I-club or wrxhackers??? This is what a WRX is made for:buttrock

Originally posted by ScoobieSteve
My friend (who's on this board) has a 525I. He's pulled on me on the highway. 02WRX are you on any Subaru forums? Such as NASIOC, clubwrx, I-club or wrxhackers??? This is what a WRX is made for:buttrock

Yes I am.. I am 02BlackWRX on www.i-club.com www.nasioc.com and www.clubwrx.com

-Zoeb

Originally posted by Ron17
Stock, probably ~5 MPH lower than that.

With a chip... you are right on the nose.

Chip / engine performance shouldn't effect the speed at a given rev point - the motor will have to be cranking at a given RPM for a given gear ratio for any given speed..

Even a supercharged M will rev at the same point at the same speed.

They will however get there a heck of a lot faster ;-)

There are lots of WRXs here in Sydney and they've been around a lot longer than in the US. The development on these cars is quite advanced now.

Do not underestiamte these little cars! They are damn hard to keep up with in wet or twisty conditions! I would not even think to stay with even a stock WRX in wet or twisty stuff in my M Coupe with big tyres, coilovers and all the suspension shit.

They are also very dangerous in a straight line from the get go until about 120kph. Having said that, they will not beat any M car over the 1/4 mile because they just run out of air.

These cars are really easy to drive really fast and are very well set up for street driving. It's only in race conditions or on the drag strip you expose their compromises. On the road they are damn hard to beat.

stock top speed of WRX is not as high as stock top speed of regular BMW series .. BMW is engineered for high speed driving in autobahn, while WRX is designed to dirt track and sharp cornering

$10K bet is not bad, I would win if it's a highway race ... :)

try it on dry ground, then we'll see what happens

hi guys.

It's my first tiem posting in this forum. :astromile

haha. I see there are a lot more faces than clubwrx.

Anyway, I don't know about other asians, but I don't seem to be offended when I'm called an oriental. It's more like calling someone a caucasian, or african american whether than a "nigger."

You guys have GREAT cars. I've always loved bimmers. I'm thinking of getting a M3 in hopefully next year, or a year after.

M5 owner: Are you the one with M5 that's always parked on Bell BLVD?? It sure turns my head whenever I see it.

I agree with most of you about Rexes having low top end, but people, including myself purchase this car for its tremendous potential. There are very few people who leaves this car as stock.

I think bimmers are far advanced in almost every aspect as a stock form. GREAT cars.

Originally posted by 02WRX
Here are a couple of links about the term, just for information.

http://www.geocities.com/chriskakimi/locke.html

http://www.etherzone.com/2002/powell082102.shtml


I didn't spend too much time looking up so I only came across a few, anyways there are a couple of them, just to show its deragatory...its also illegal to say it in some states as well.


Sorry for the OT, but had to correct this…

Your two references don't even come close to showing that the term is derogatory. The second, in fact pokes fun at the whole label thing.

The two laws mentioned in the articles are only relating to government, which as anyone knows is merely trying to pander to as many groups at the same time as possible.

The simple fact is that “Oriental” is no more derogatory than “Middle Eastern” or “European”.

Seems every interest group is going out of their way to not only further segregate themselves, but to find things that they can use to claim discrimination with.

GET OVER IT.

Originally posted by jt2

GET OVER IT.

I already got over it, if u were smart enough to read the time stamp you would have realized that the last post I made on THAT TOPIC was on 5/21/03...its now 6/2/03...

Why do n00bs try to start flame wars right away??

-Zoeb

Cool it, fellas.

:cop:

Hi,
Just wanted to add a few wrx comments...

People always say heavily modded wrx this and that, but the truth is, is that subaru ships these cars over with 3 cats to get emission exemptions... I have lowered my cat factor to 1, and the car truly performs like it should, imo.

With my mods (1 cat vs. 3) my claimed 1/4 is 12.9 or so (from mod distributors numbers).

On top speed drivability: I've only done it once, cause I guess I'm a puss, but after hitting 125 in 4th gear, I shifted to 5th (this is right after going to 1 cat)... I didn't expect much, cause I know the gearing in 5th is damn high and the cars drag is way high, however, after about a 1/2 sec of turbo lag, I was "slammed" back in the seat, and I looked down at my speedo and I was at 140.

I have total respect for the german engineering, but this rally car ain't as shabby as people think, when you get it to a performance level (ie 1 cat). BTW what most people think is an aftermarket bov is actually the stock one, made free to speak after getting rid of some of the intake restrictions...

By the way, with the 1 cat, the car will still pass CO emissions testing...

If only I could get an m series to race me......even if I did get whipped!!

Jack

I would be more then happy to volunteer to demonstrate that wrxs can go faster then 160. (need to get my new set of tires first)

Hey zoeb!

Props to the guy in the m5 those are sweet machines have a freind who has one with some work done to it (flywheel, chip, exhaust). Awesome car, just dont think that just cause my car is a subaru that it is slow. Heck my poor boss thought that in his murc. I changed his mind real fast.

Cheers guys and watch out for the new STI, that thing will be a beast.

wyowrx, what are your mods?

and 400whp, what do you run 1/4?

hey guys,

forget any of your preconceived notions about the wrx and look at the video at the link below. It will literally blow you away...

but a word of warning, you may have trouble with the link and the video, depending on your computer. you have to have at least a PC with the latest version of Windows Media Player:

http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=27432

Originally posted by nyxjf
wyowrx, what are your mods?

and 400whp, what do you run 1/4?

400whpWRX is a 11 second WRX, I do not know wyowrx though

-Zoeb

I own all of you WRX owners ... I have neon lights: you don't ...

Originally posted by NoSoup4U
I own all of you WRX owners ... I have neon lights: you don't ...

You have lights from a Dodge in your car? :D

hahah damn that last one was a funny one

My car shoudl be good for 11.80-11.70 as she stands now with a mix of 91/100 (95 octane total).

I would have taken her to the track this week to get teh slips to prove it but i tore my acl and meniscus this weekend and i will be out of action for a while. I guess this means i can plan on a new motor build :)

(she was doing 12.20's all day long with 100whp less, and no heat wrap or nothing)

Yummie 2.6l or 2.4? hmmm

So my car is fast and yes zoeb it is me dre :)

if anyone is thinking of calling bs on andre's car (400whpwrx) they are 100% wrong, I have seen his car in person and I have been in it as well.
Just want to clear that up before B.S. flags get put up :D

Welcome to Bimmerforums bro.

-Zoeb

:bs:

:biglaughb ... show me time slips and I'll take it down ... ;)

As dave knows, my car is an 11 second car as well ... will that happen ...

NOT with me driving it .... :alright :biglaughb :biglaughb

Hey, if ain't been run, it ain't been done... ;)

Originally posted by 02WRX
if anyone is thinking of calling bs on andre's car (400whpwrx) they are 100% wrong, I have seen his car in person and I have been in it as well.
Just want to clear that up before B.S. flags get put up :D

Welcome to Bimmerforums bro.

-Zoeb

Aw damn it, dude. Damn it. Here I was just <i>thinking</i> of calling bs and then you go and clown me. Curses, foiled again. :bawl

just wait till i heal up, hell by that time it might end up being even faster.

Got to love disability, get paid for being drugged up all day.

*yawn*

here is a dyno plot to feast your eyes on.

http://www.vishnupower.com/images/dyno/stage3-1.jpg

and you can calculate what whp it would be on your favorite dyno here.

http://www.vishnupower.com/How%20Big%20Is%20Your%20Horsepower.xls

And you guys are right, it aint a 11 till it pulls an 11. But have no doubts that only by sheer stupidity will it not pull a 11 of some sort. Just going to be a question of how deep she will go. (oh and she SHOULD have a few more hp due to heat wrapping and a few other lil tweaks, damn turbo was cooking one cyl pretty bad)

nice 400.. Is it your daily driving car?? or a project car?
You're not running a stock tranny, are you??

I believe him without a timeslip. There are countless people who are running low 12 second in WRX forums. I don't see why 11 sec us hard to beieve. great job!

I don't see why 11 sec us hard to beieve.

We are just joking around ;) .... there are many E36 M3 owners that claim their car is a high 13 second car; but, hardly any of them actually see a sub-14 second time even with extensive modifications ....

For instance, many of the E46 M3 owners say their car runs a 13.3 ala Mag times; but, I don't think any of the regular posters here have hit 13.3 in the 1320' yet ...

Plus, launching awd is not as easy as everyone makes it out to be, you just don't simply drop the clutch ....

It's just good-natured ribbing going on here ... :biglaughb

ah~ ^^;

My car is a high-13-second car.

:devillook

I've had my fair share of races with wrx's. If they are stock they are garbage straightline. After 80 mph they choke like no other. A few races with a modded wrx in san jose totally convinced me of this. He had me on the launch on each race except for one and I was pulling on him the whole time. Wrx's can be very nice if modded CORRECTLY. Other then that they are garbage in straighline ( depending on the driver of course) and excellent on corners and wet weather. Stock wrx pulled a 14.4, which is the highest ive seen at infineon raceway. Very nice for a sub $25000 car. My m3 pulled like 14.3 stock. If you know how to drive you should be able to take on a wrx, just depends on the situation and the weather. :cool:

Originally posted by Ron17
My car is a high-13-second car.

:devillook

:astromile

this thread is still going on??

Sure is!

you guys are pretty cool around here.

Ya stock is crap anyway you slice it. Hell a stock *insert favorite car here* is crap in my book. If its stock i dont like it as much as i should. if i could afford a newer m3 i would get one, and mod the hell out of it. But that is just me im not happy until its moded.

No it is not my daily driver, i have a civic for that. I work 75miles one way to work so driving that car to and from would run it into the ground pretty fast. It is a STOCK motor and tranny, just upgraded fuel engine management and of course turbo adn exhaust. Pretty amazing if you ask me.

its scary fast, I have been in that car when it had all that stuff AND cats....now its catless if I am not mistaken, get better so I can have a ride again bro!! :D

-Zoeb

hmph.. what turbo are you runing?

From racing people in my E30 iX I can tell you it was definately the AWD that was killing you in the corners. I like when Jeep Cherokees and other SUV's try to run with me in the snow. I don't even race, they just try to follow me, but they always end up in a ditch or turned around backwards. Everytime.

Originally posted by logantv
From racing people in my E30 iX I can tell you it was definately the AWD that was killing you in the corners. I like when Jeep Cherokees and other SUV's try to run with me in the snow. I don't even race, they just try to follow me, but they always end up in a ditch or turned around backwards. Everytime.

sorry for my ignorance, but what's E30iX??

I'm assuming it's not a AWD vihecle. Are you trying to convince me that FWD or RWD has more control in snow??

The only reason why they put themselves in ditch is because they can't drive. I can tell you for sure, it's not the AWD that's done that. ;)

This is especially for Ron -- this will get you into the 13's and possibly the 12's :D

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0208_scared/

and of course, the WRX's could use this as well to get into the 10's :D :D

I saw a wrx at the road track last weekend. . .damn I was impressed, the cornering was amazing and the power was nice.

Hey Guys,

very interesting reading.... I am in the fortunate position of owning both an e46 2002 M3 and an '03 WRX.... both cars are stock.... ( i also own an SL AMG... which will cane both)

First and foremost, it is very hard to compare both cars, because they are designed for differing purposes....

I would have a heartattack at the very thought of taking my M3 off-road...

Its a great car, very good in the twisties... but not comparable to the WRX whenever the road twists, or the going gets particularly difficult.

The thing is, in sydney, the WRX is a $46k car, and the M3 is a 146 K car!!!... big difference/... value for money, the WRX is a far better proposition.

It would be ludicrous to compare cars with different price tags and rest on their individual laurels. If that were the case, my sl55 would cream any BMW, and i'm sure that similarly a porsche 911 or an Audi RS4 would cream me....

lets be pragmatic about it fellas...a BMW is more of a cruising vehicle, lush, refined, in M-form... it is a very quick car, yes even quicker than a WRX but for the money, the WRX is amazing buying and in terms of exhaustive performance, a better proposition.

I know people in sydney with WRX's and evo's that would kill my M3... its not even a contest... for $10,000 you can modify a WRX to kill just about anything.

As for the comments made by some members that a 5 series will take a WRX... these are blatant lies.

There is not a 5 series, or even a 3 series (UNLESS ITS AN M VEHICLE) that has a hope in hell of taking a WRX.

YOU are lying if you suggest so...

The firm i work for is basically "BMW central"... all the partners drive Merc's or Bimmers and 3 series are by far the most common vehicle and there are a few 5 series there too...

The 5 series may have a higher top end, but that is merely due to the size of the engine and its design purpose; to be a cruiser... the WRX will be there a good 7-8 car lengths if not more before the BMW reaches a similar speed.

As for the 4.6 X5, i have also driven that vehicle too... it is fast and admittedly beautiful, but it is a 6 second car (0-60).. the WRX is 5.6 stock...

Don't get me wrong, i love my BMW's... but anything made in bavaria, unless its an "m" doesn't have a hope in hell... if you think it does,

you are deluding yourself;:wave:

Just out of curiosity, is the WRX in Oz the same as the base WRX here? I know the STi has been available ove there for a while, but are you talking about the 227hp version?

Also, in reference to the E30iX BMW, I'm pretty sure he is driving an E30 325iX which is indeed an AWD car.:)

my turbo is a custom t3/t4 unit. Tuner wont tell anyone the CFM as my car was a beta car so it is under wraps until it hits production.

I personaly dont care about that but alot of people give me crap for it. Ha as long as she is fast runs smooth and reliable is my only care.

Any other questions?

dam, bmpower.

you pretty much shut down the debate in here. lol.

aaah to be able to own BMWs and Wrxs. lol.

Originally posted by drbyers


aaah to be able to own BMWs and Wrxs. lol.


haha I was in that position for about 7 months, it was GREAT!! too bad it had to end....I coudlnt afford insurance on the 325 + car payment on the WRX, + insurance on the WRX + modding the WRX

Originally posted by NoSoup4U
This is especially for Ron -- this will get you into the 13's and possibly the 12's :D

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0208_scared/

and of course, the WRX's could use this as well to get into the 10's :D :D

That was a great article, hehe...:biglaughb
2 seconds faster in the quarter with just an exhaust mod and an intake mod.

Originally posted by BMPOWER
Hey Guys,

very interesting reading.... I am in the fortunate position of owning both an e46 2002 M3 and an '03 WRX.... both cars are stock.... ( i also own an SL AMG... which will cane both)

First and foremost, it is very hard to compare both cars, because they are designed for differing purposes....

I would have a heartattack at the very thought of taking my M3 off-road...

Its a great car, very good in the twisties... but not comparable to the WRX whenever the road twists, or the going gets particularly difficult.

The thing is, in sydney, the WRX is a $46k car, and the M3 is a 146 K car!!!... big difference/... value for money, the WRX is a far better proposition.

It would be ludicrous to compare cars with different price tags and rest on their individual laurels. If that were the case, my sl55 would cream any BMW, and i'm sure that similarly a porsche 911 or an Audi RS4 would cream me....

lets be pragmatic about it fellas...a BMW is more of a cruising vehicle, lush, refined, in M-form... it is a very quick car, yes even quicker than a WRX but for the money, the WRX is amazing buying and in terms of exhaustive performance, a better proposition.

I know people in sydney with WRX's and evo's that would kill my M3... its not even a contest... for $10,000 you can modify a WRX to kill just about anything.

As for the comments made by some members that a 5 series will take a WRX... these are blatant lies.

There is not a 5 series, or even a 3 series (UNLESS ITS AN M VEHICLE) that has a hope in hell of taking a WRX.

YOU are lying if you suggest so...

The firm i work for is basically "BMW central"... all the partners drive Merc's or Bimmers and 3 series are by far the most common vehicle and there are a few 5 series there too...

The 5 series may have a higher top end, but that is merely due to the size of the engine and its design purpose; to be a cruiser... the WRX will be there a good 7-8 car lengths if not more before the BMW reaches a similar speed.

As for the 4.6 X5, i have also driven that vehicle too... it is fast and admittedly beautiful, but it is a 6 second car (0-60).. the WRX is 5.6 stock...

Don't get me wrong, i love my BMW's... but anything made in bavaria, unless its an "m" doesn't have a hope in hell... if you think it does,

you are deluding yourself;:wave:

Well, I only paid about $33K for my brand new Z3 3.0 back in 2001, and it ran a 13.89 at 99.5 mph bone stock, and a 13.65 at 99.1 mph with no mods except tires... :dunno

hey guys....

In Aus, we don't really deal with power figures on a horsepower baisi... we talk in terms of Kilowatts and for torque... newton metres...

so the figures im about to speil off are in those figures... you guys might have to convert them... (if anyone knows what the conversion rate is)....

In Aus, the WRX is only a 2litre car... even our STi is a 2 litre... it just has a big ass turbo and very schmick gearbox.


they're saying that in 2005, we may get the 2.5 litre.. you blokes have in the US... but they're not that keen to bring it here because of the cars classification in the rally program.


To qualify for the rally circuit down here... the cars must be 2 litres to be in the WRC class. So our EVO is also a 2 litre car....

THE stock MY03 WRX has 168 kw and 300 nm of torque... it does o-100 km/h (for you guys... that'd be 0-60mp/h) in 5.6 seconds and the standing quarter mile in just under 14 seconds.
(the car weighs 1395kilos ...)

The BMW 325 is an inline 6 cylinder, 2.5 litre producing 141 kw and 245 nm of torque....
it does the o-60mp/h in 8.9 seconds and the quarter mile around the 16.3 second mark.(IN AUS, this car is rear wheel drive only... not awd)

the BMW 330Ci ( which is quicker than the stock 330i sedan) is an inline 6 cylinder producing 170 kw and 300nm of torque.... it weighs 1490 kilos (but is only 2 kw more powerful than the WRX) and does the 0-60 in 6.6 seconds and the quarter mile in 14.7 seconds on average.(also rwd)

The M3 has 252 kw and 365nm... it does the quarter in 13.5sec and the 0-60 in 5.2 seconds... (with a good launch)
again this car is also only rwd.

My SL55 is the AMG version... it has 368kw and 700nm... it does the 0-60 in 4.7 and the quarter mile in 12.8 seconds.

the WRX sti is 2l it has 195kw (we get a detuned version of the Jap spec) and does the 0-60 in 5.4 and the quarter in 13.6seconds

thats for the 2 litre..... your 2.5 litre STI should be quicker than our 2Litre... so it should beat the times given by our spec car and accordingly, compete with your M3... though the M should till take it...

By the way, i asked some friends at BMW about the 5 series... they agree that there is no way it could beat a WRX, even ther top of the line 540i... this car is a 4.4litre V8 producing 210 kilowatts and 440nm of torque... this car does the standing 0-60 in 6.8 seconds and the quarter in about 14.9.

If this car can't beat a WRX, how the hell can a lesser 530 beat it???? whoever posted that is lying or very confused.

The M5 is another entity entirely, it will cream the WRX, doing the quarter in 13.5 seconds and the 0-60 in 5.2 seconds. Once again, as with all of BMW aus sedans, the M5 is rwd

I didn't know that you could get an awd BMW "sedan" in the states...interesting...

Hope that clarifies a few things....
:buttrock

I agree with you in the 530 vs WRX. But on the 540- I will say that it depends on the drivers involved, and the longer the race goes on, the higher the speeds climb into the triple digits, the more the advantage goes to the 540...

Originally posted by NoSoup4U
This is especially for Ron -- this will get you into the 13's and possibly the 12's :D

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0208_scared/

and of course, the WRX's could use this as well to get into the 10's :D :D

Hey, James... I got something for you... hold on...

*rummages around in pockets*

:flipa:

Silverstreak....

do the math... i dont know if you have a 540, and hence you're inflated opinion of it..... but....

if the WRX does the quarter a full second quicker, the BMW is only gonna catch up provided

a) there is a distance of no less than say 1.5-3kilometres
b)that is relatively straight (cos whack in a few turns and the BM is caput)
c) there is suffciency of variable factors to permit top speeds being reached .

bottomilne... yes... the 540 has a higher top end.... only just though...

so to be able to take the WRX the BMW must have enough road to reach its top end.... as with all cars... as they approach their top end, the rate of acceleration decreases....

so given that the BM maybe has 5-10km/h advantage over the WRX, your gonna need a huge amount of space to finally overtake him and conditions to be good enough for you to reach top end....

you're also gonna need the road to be such that there is no need for brake... cos if you brake, the cycle starts again, or if the road is choppy, uneven or twisty, you aren't gonna be able to carry as much speed into the corners as he is....

on gravel or camber, you're finished.


AND incidentally, they have the PROCAR series in Australia which are basically stock cars minus a few tweaks grouped in classes.

There is an M coupe in the class, but the WRX's came second and 5th, and first overall. The Evo won.... the M coupe came 7th.

Now, that M coupe can flatten a 540... so if a WRX beats the M coupe (circuit time...not gravel...normal racetrack), and the M flattens the 540...

you do the math.

bottom line... unless its an M, it doesn't stand a chance...

if you want to use the top end analogy, we have a car co here called Holden which uses your CHEV LS1 engine... the car is quick and produces 235kilowatts.

the 540 is a far better car and has the same 0-60 time as the Holden, but top end the holden will cream it....

but in a race, on 99% of areas, the 540 will come out trumps...

so there is a degree of relativity in any assumption.

WRX beats 540 without even blinking an eyelid.

BMPOWER: There's an M Coupe in Sydney happy to discuss matters with your WRX :-)

The BMW 325 is an inline 6 cylinder, 2.5 litre producing 141 kw and 245 nm of torque....
it does the o-60mp/h in 8.9 seconds

8.9secs!? Maby thats why a WRX is always beating 3 series so badly. Even auto isnt that bad here. I know a WRX can beat a 3 series in a quarter mile, But I dont think it would be a big a massacre as you claim it to be. Maby yours is because of how slow your 0-60 times are.

BMPOWER, no I own a Z3, but I base my opinion on nothing but real world knowledge and first hand experience, not magazine or published #'s on paper.

Case in point, I used to own a 99 Mustang GT. My old boss at my last job owned a 540 6 spd. We drag raced at least once a week after work for over 9 mos.

0-30 I had him. 0-60 I had a slight lead. 0-90 I had stopped gaining on him and the lead I had since about 60-70 mph stayed constant.

0-120, he pulled even and was on his way to pulling away from me.

0-135 mph he had the lead.

Now, the Mustang GT was bone stock. I used to routinely run 13.9's at 100 mph at the track with it. Similar trap speeds to the WRX, if not faster. And my 60' times were usually around 2.0-2.2.

So in the 1/4 mile (to about 100 mph) I had the lead on the 540. But that doesn't tell the complete story. Cuz by 135 mph, not only had my lead evaporated, but the 540 pulled ahead.

Now from what I have seen and experienced live and in person, WRX's versus Mustang GT's, the WRX gets the hole shot, and eventually loses the race when it hits triple digits.

Given that, math or no, I go by real world experience, I like the chances of a 540 vs a WRX in a 0-120/150 mph race...

Also, since you seem to like published #'s, the 99 Mustang GT was reported in the rags to run 0-60 in 5.4, just about the same # the WRX runs in the rags...

Damn this thread is still going?????

Give this a rest, the SRT-4 is FAstAR!!!:biglaughb


Steve

the SRT-4 is FAstAR!!!

But the WRX, Mustang and 3 and 5 series are so much better and cooler looking =). And after the quarter mile, I doubt the SRT-4 would be able to hang for long

Silverstreak also brought up the point, what about his stock 3.0 Z3, could that hang/beat a WRX up to triple digits?

Not sure, bone stock I was running 13.89 at 99.5 mph. On drag radials, no other mods (all 198 rwhp) ran a 13.65 at 99.1 mph... but given the power curves, I like the Z3 3.0's chances against a WRX 0-130 or more....

Here's the thing; I've run countless WRXs on the road in my E36 M3 S50B32 and my M Coupe (pre and post turbocharging).

The WRX is a great little car. The launch on thse cars is amazing and they WILL get you from the line. The turbo and engine is very well sized and sorted and they respond well to modifications.

But in all cases above, the WRX will go down before the 660' mark, usually well before. They just run out of air to push and the BMW pulls past.

It has to be remembered that the 540 is justgetting into it's groove at the same tiem the WRX is starting to fade. At higher speeds on the real road the 540 will gobble the WRX up. But throw in a corner or wet roads and forget it. You won't be able to see the WRX taillights after 30 seconds.

I, as a former E36 M3 owner, had a 250+ rwhp at one point, can tell all of you guys a REGULAR WRX can't keep up with a stock M3, S4, M5, and "CIVIC SI". (above 80+ mph)

My best friend had a WRX, all stock, raced with a Type-R & Civic SI above 80+ mph, the Type-R and SI just simply walked away the WRX on the freeway. And he has no match on my M3. Period.

However, we have to give credit to the WRX. A $24k car can hang in with the high cost-high perfermance car from the start. I am totally agreed with what other people say, they are two different cars, Rally Performance Category and German Engineering.

Sadly, I have sold my M3, and got my STi (!) :help

After owning it for more than two weeks, I am able to get over 1000 miles last night. Got the car warmed up a little bit, gun it til 5-6k rpms every gear... It's just darn fast! I am sure not everyone in here know about the Subaru STi, it tested 12.9s in 1/4 bone stock. I don't care if someone says EVO is better, because as a BMW lover, we wouldn't agree S4 is any better even though it is very easy to archieve 300+ hp with simple mods.

Handling is quite beyond my expectations. STi's suspension is lot stiffer than stock M3, the downside is the ground clearence on the STi is higher than M3. I missed the craftmanship of what a M3 has, how solid the car in general, but I don't regret of trading the M3 in for the STi, which has a more tunable engine, lots of gadgets (DCCD, 6spd tranny), and lots of fun in the muds.

After couple months of deep thoughts and mind-strugglings, I decided to go for the Subaru that offers NO stereo system, but it comes with 300hp / 300lb tq, BBS rims, Brembo big-ass brakes, HID, and 6 speed tranny. With 1/3 off the E46 MSRP.

I have spent lots of money on modding the M3. I tracked my car many times in the last three years. No matter how much money I invest on the STi, it can not match what the M3 has. They are two different cars, AWD and RWD.

I am sure a M3 can't hang on to the STi, not even the E46 M3! Don't get me wrong, I love BMW, but it's the facts that STi is faster than M3 doesn't mean they are better overall. They are both good cars, M3 will get you the luxury status while the STi provides you with amazing performance.

One more thing, anything is possible to happen on the roads. I strongly discourage anyone races on the streets, just spend $150 for 4 long sessions in the driving school. They got everything you need to speed: ER, competitors, instructors, and of course, the track itself. There were many fatal accidents occured because some stupid drivers tried to proof themselves are better than the rest, and found the hard way. Don't be the next one.

I apologize for the poor grammar, and lengthy post.

:wave:

is your friends WRX a 4EAT?

before I got any engine mods I had no problem beating a 2000 Si on the freeway, I have not raced a new Si yet, but I am almost positive I will get very similar results...The Si was no match for me at all...this is when my car was bone stock (except 3 12" subs and 18" wheels...and that weighed the car DOWN a little)...The only thing I can think of is a. Your friend has a 4EAT (4 speed electronic automatic trans.) or b. your friend didn't downshift, but the Si did downshift...

Anyways are you on i-club.com or nasioc.com? and sicne you live in fremont do you go to the UCKK meets? If you are not busy this sunday come out to our meet at 3:00pm http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21206 I would love to see an STi in person

Hope to see you there.

-Zoeb

MR BLONDE: you said you'd like to run my WRX with your M coupe.

obviously you're car is quicker... even without the numerous mods... however i would still hope, being a sydney sider and all, that you'd be able to quantify any comparison that you make.

You suggest we race when you have modified your car and are aware that my car has no modifications. I agree that even un-modified, your car will win, but if you insist that "any" car you have is quicker than "any" car i have, you are sadly mistaken.

I'd say that your M coupe would get absolutely annihilated by my AMG. Hell, i wouldn't even have to whack slicks on her and you would be left a laughing stock... furthermore... my car is an auto!!!!

If you want to compare cars, than make it reasonable and based on a cars stocl attributes. Any fool can modify a car to make it quick. The debate isn't about the virtues of unmodified cars in competition, as this is impossible to quantify for the purposes of comparison. The debate is about the virtues stock.

SILVERSTREAK:.. i quote alot of mag times cos speeding is very strictly governed here, and being in the profession that i am in, would be like playing russian roulette. I don't need mag times to know that i have driven and raced a 540 before... i'd say many people have in sydney, as it is quite a common mum and dam-mobile in the area i live in.

I gave the figures, in response to a question asked of me about power outputs.

A few things, then. Have you raced a 540 beyond 100-120 mph? Have you raced a stock Z3 3.0 well into the triple digits? If not, you have no right to say only M powered BMW's give the WRX a run.... We already established that the WRX does well down low, but once the speeds exceed a certain level they drop off considerably.

What's the best 1/4 mile you have achieved at the track with your WRX? Have you ever actually been to the 1/4 mile track with your WRX? (Spectating doesn't count... ;) )

Cuz I'm still willing to bet my Z3 3.0 when it was bone stock was more than a match for your WRX, even before the triple digits, let alone from 100 mph +...

Furthermore, depending on which AMG you have, I still like Kenny's chances against it. Especially if you live in the world of magazine times (meaning: bench racing more than actual drag racing at the track).

Kenny has real world track experience, lots of it, and he's damn good at it. I don't know if you have sigs turned on or not, but if you don't, I suggest you turn them on and take a gander at Kenny's sig before shooting your mouth off about your AMG.

Kenny, how come your Coupe is about 500 pounds heavier than Dave's roadster?! Are they that heavy?

M3RCR, wait... a measly Si can walk on a WRX above 80 mph? I have a hard time believing that one... there's like a 100 hp difference for the Si, nearly 50 vs. the Type R...

Hugo:

Not 100 HP difference between the Honda Civic SI and Subaru WRX.

2000 Honda Civic SI
160 @ 7600 RPM, 111 @ 7000 RPM, redline at 8200 RPM, Curb weight-2,584 lbs

2002 Subaru WRX
227 @ 6000 RPM, 217 @ 4000 RPM, redline at 7000 RPM, Curb weight-3,085 lbs

As you can see, there is ~500 lbs weight advantage displite the facts that Honda SI has 67 less HP. Keep this in mind, the Honda SI engine is high compression engine, it meant to rev, HP peaks almost at the redline whereas the WRX drops its HP greatly after the peak at 6000 RPM (you get the picture). Honda SI tranny is very close ration too. Therefore, my bet will go to Honda SI when we race from 80+ mph and on. :buttrock

(For some reasons, lots of SI dynoed at 145-148 HP at the wheel, that's like 170HP with 15% loss)

HP doesn't mean anything when it comes to race. The new Honda Accord, Toyota Camry are rated at 240 HP bone stock, same as E36 M3, but we all know the M3 is much faster than those grocery getters...

02WRX:

I don't think I have time to go to any meetings in the next couple of weeks... I go to nasioc.com occasionally, and maybe the next upcoming event fits my schedule. Thanks.

My friend's WRX is 5MT.

Silverstreak>

You really aren't too bright are you..?? thats ok mate, if ever your around here, i might give you a job.. you can mow my lawns on the weekend???

I wasn't shooting my mouth off about my AMG, if you think i was, then you only proved my initial opinion that you are unintelligible and illiterate, as you would have to be to misinterpret my post, which you subsequently did.

You rant on again about the virtues of your car "above the 100mp/h mark".... what an incredibly stupid argument...!!!!!

There are numerous cars here which cost a fraction of the cost of say a Beema and are nowehere near the performance vehicles that BMW's are but will still nonetheless be a better "sports" proposition, as you define, based on your criterion of high top end speed.

As i said, our pretty every day driver around here is a car called a Holden Commodore. It's sports variant comes with a LS1 and packs 235kw. This car really isn't a better sports car relative to say a BMW (unless you're considering bang for bucks)etc, but since it has a higher top end, then you would argue for it????

I mean lets be logical about it. The only way your Beema can take a WRX is if the road is straight for quite a long way. Thats the same for any car with a higher top end. how many times in your life have you been able to accelerate all the way up to its top speed??... how many roads have you been on that are smooth and straight enough to allow that. You brag and shoot your moth off about your track feats.... so tell me... how many tracks are there which have straights long enough to allow your car to reach its limit???.. sounds to me like you just spend your time trying to talk big but aren't game to back it up.

For the record, i have been to the track, and will be there on saturday 5/7... we records our sprints and if you'd like to have you're freind come along, i would be more than happy to back my "shooting off" with results. i'll even post the race up for you guys.

SL55 AMG v BMW 3 series (not even an M) who are we kidding???

I'm not shooting my mouth off, i heard from friends, like myself who are confessed motor heads, that this was a cool site, but you Silverstreakseem to be someone who is incapable of accepting that there are other cars, like WRX's that are better sports cars than yours.

all i can say is grow up... if you want to arrange a race with your friend, bring it on. Eastern creek (he'll know where it is) 5/7.

mine's the only SL55 there, so he can't miss me. there are a coupl of e55's there too so we'll see how he goes against those... but i'm willing to bet that his modded 3 series wont even take a stock e46 M3.

as for your z3, its a nice car, but im not bragging when i say it would get thrashed by a WRX 99% of the time ...........................UNLESS YOU SOMEHOW STUMBLE ON TO A ROAD WHICH HAS A STRAIGHT THAT IS LONG ENOUGH FOR YOU TO REACH YOUR TOP END....

until then, develop some common sense or better yet drive a WRX and then i have a feeling that humble pie may be on the menu for quite some time.

Afterall, i too was a WRX critique, then my friend took me for a ride, and from then on, i've had a permanent grin on my face whenever i get behind the wheel.

I'm not bragging about owning an AMG, afterall, im the one who had to pay for it. I merely responded to what i deemed was a pretty snide comment by "mr blonde"...

anyways, "im putting my money where my mouth is"... how bout you???

Just read what i'd written,

lemme apologise in advance if i sounda little harsh... i guess the adrenaline was surging and i felt a prophetic fervour overtake me...

its all good... with a tag like mine.. could i ever dis the BM's???

i love them...

what looks as good as a shiny black 3 series???

anyways... hope we can all stay civil... i love 3 series.... i like 5 series (dont love 'em)

i lov WRX's.... its gotta be said..

don't we all just universally like fast cars?????

BMPOWER, I'm glad you apologized for your post, for it contained several personal attacks, flames, insults, and so on- things we don't allow here, and things that could land your account in Time Out or get it deleted and/or banned.

And there is enough venom in your comments to warrant such action to be taken against you, just so you know. But, since you caught it on your own, and apologized, I'll let it go. But consider yourself warned. And FYI, you don't get unlimited # of warnings.

I'll also further explain where I was coming from. You made a blanket statement back on Page whatever, that nothing short of an M powered BMW can handle a WRX. I was simply refuting that.

Next, the WRX isn't a "sports car" it's a rally car, it's a souped up Imprezza (econobox) and one on which Subaru did a great job, no doubt. But it's not a "sports car" by definition or design.

But with all due respect (something we expect from one another here at BimmerForums when disagreeing on a point of discussion), if you want to limit the "race" to just a 1/4 mile, when it comes to non-M cars, something like a Z3 3.0 could give the WRX a real run for the money. That's why I quoted my times if 13.8 stock, and 13.6 with DR's only. And if you wanna get into the twisties, I still like the Z3 (Coupe or Roadster)'s chances again against a WRX. Off road- no contest.

Also, I asked you what the best times you have run in your WRX and/or AMG SL55 at the track- I'm still waiting for those answers. :dunno

And as far as Kenny's car vs your SL55, again, I like his chances. Magazine times be damned, they don't mean squat in the real world. So, if you have some timeslips to share, please share with us your best times in your 2 cars- we're curious.

After your little explosion, I should lock this post, but since you seem to have calmed down, I'll leave it open and give you a chance to reply and keep it civil. :cop:

If we could have these cars here, I won't be envious of M's
Impreza P-1
http://www.isportscars.tv/Japan/Subaru/P1.jpg

Lecacy B4 Blitzen TT
http://www.subaru.co.jp/square/gallery/kabegami/legacy/imgs/13_1.jpg

well im glad that we have maintained some degree of civility....

but to clarify,...... and "no" this is not a personal attack....

you silverstreak are the person who made the conversation personal when you suggested that i was "shooting my mouth off" about owning an AMG. Prior to that, it was a debate about the virtues of the cars and then you decided to make it personal.... not me...

i just think that being a moderator, it would be unfair for you to have a double standard, atleast thats my take on it....

I will post the times from the creek after saturday... happy??

If Mr blonde turns up, i will post those times too...

AND.. i will get some people i know at BMW sydney to personally post that a Z3 or any other 3 series other than an m3 or m coupe won't stand a chance anywhere, be it track or conventional road (other than a 4 k straight) against a WRX.

will that be sufficient???.. i would happily race a Z3 but i dont know anyone who has one anymore, and other than turbo'd mx-5's and s2k's... we don't get any convertibles at the creek (other than my AMG:) )


Incidentally, i asked around at work, and one of our guys who owns a type R integ was of the opinion that he too could thrash any 3 series, other than a 330i or an M3....

i don't know if BMW's are different spec to what they are here, but i can gaurantee that no BMW 3 other than a M3 can take a WRX on a road that is normal.

Also, my friends own both e36's and e46's, and in pretty much every case, the e46 is quicker... so if i can beat all of those cars in the WRX, how come i can't beat a z3???

the only explanation i can think of is that your cars must be different spec.

here is a thread which has some top speeds a couple of WRX drivers have done...

my car's still new so it hasn't gone past 160 km/h yet...

http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=29424

i hope that this wasnt already covered but i see that BMPOWER is in australia, man i love that place, and that he would have access to the JDM wrx's instead of the USDM wrx that we get over here. now there is a huge difference between these two models.. 227hp vs 286hp. even though mag times and stats are irrelevant to the real world this would be something considerable to add in. just wanted to make sure this was already known.

by the way- i dont even own a e36 m3. was looking but have narrowed it down to a e30 m3. i drive a 2001 subaru impreza 2.5rs (you'd all hand me my ass :) )

Originally posted by BMPOWER
MR BLONDE: you said you'd like to run my WRX with your M coupe.

obviously you're car is quicker... even without the numerous mods... however i would still hope, being a sydney sider and all, that you'd be able to quantify any comparison that you make.

You suggest we race when you have modified your car and are aware that my car has no modifications. I agree that even un-modified, your car will win, but if you insist that "any" car you have is quicker than "any" car i have, you are sadly mistaken.

BMP, just a gentle dig at someone who seems a little cocky, that's all. You're also a bit presumptuous since you don't know what other vehicles I own ..


I'd say that your M coupe would get absolutely annihilated by my AMG. Hell, i wouldn't even have to whack slicks on her and you would be left a laughing stock... furthermore... my car is an auto!!!!

Bring it!


If you want to compare cars, than make it reasonable and based on a cars stocl attributes. Any fool can modify a car to make it quick. The debate isn't about the virtues of unmodified cars in competition, as this is impossible to quantify for the purposes of comparison. The debate is about the virtues stock.

I disagree on that. Most fools can't modify a car to make it quick. The debate wasn't about stock cars either, it was about how cocky you are re: WRXs vs a BMW 540 at top speeds. A debate in which I made supporting comments to your arguments about the ability of a WRX to outperfom any BMW on twisty or wet roads.

Given that I've raced numerous WRXs of all types and levels of modification I know what I'm talking about.

I think the thing here is that you're a new boy in town and you're cocky about your fleet. Hey, no problem with loving your cars. But you've got to expect some mild teasing when you come in six guns blazing.

Take it for what it is; a gentle tease, be welcomed and take it easy for a while. These dudes know heaps about BMWs and may very well help you at some point in the future.

Originally posted by Hugo
Kenny, how come your Coupe is about 500 pounds heavier than Dave's roadster?! Are they that heavy?

Mine is unfortunately. However a few measures have been taken to reduce this burden. Take a look in the Z3 forum later for the relevant thread.

Originally posted by BMPOWER
Silverstreak>

You really aren't too bright are you..

I'm not shooting my mouth off, i heard from friends, like myself who are confessed motor heads, that this was a cool site, but you Silverstreakseem to be someone who is incapable of accepting that there are other cars, like WRX's that are better sports cars than yours.

BMP: Bad call. Dave is a top guy as you will find if you listen a bit more. He isn't defending BMW 540s as the ultimate racecar and he isn't a BMW bigot. He's owned numerous cars over the years of all types. You're simply barking up the wrong tree here and need to back off.

For the record, i have been to the track, and will be there on saturday 5/7... we records our sprints and if you'd like to have you're freind come along, i would be more than happy to back my "shooting off" with results. i'll even post the race up for you guys.
all i can say is grow up... if you want to arrange a race with your friend, bring it on. Eastern creek (he'll know where it is) 5/7.

mine's the only SL55 there, so he can't miss me. there are a coupl of e55's there too so we'll see how he goes against those... but i'm willing to bet that his modded 3 series wont even take a stock e46 M3.

I assume you're not referring to me since I have an M Coupe, not a 3 series. I do know where Eastern Creek is since it's my local drag strip.


I'm not bragging about owning an AMG, afterall, im the one who had to pay for it. I merely responded to what i deemed was a pretty snide comment by "mr blonde"...

You can call me Kenny if it seems less snide. Your AMG doesn't concern me. But this is all a bit ridiculous, you're taking this to a place it doesn't belong. Relax and enjoy yourself without getting so worked up. It's a fun place to hang and learn stuff.

Send me a PM if you want to set up a grudge match at an Eastern Creek street drag one Wednesday night, I'll be happy to see if my humble M Coupe can put up a worthy struggle for your mighty AMG. Who knows, a small side bet might even make it more fun?

Originally posted by BMPOWER
I will post the times from the creek after saturday... happy??

If Mr blonde turns up, i will post those times too...

What's this Saturday meet stuff? I've only ever heard of Wednesday night street meets for drag racing. Tell me more.

And post your best timeslips with the WRX and your AMG? Timeslips go a long way around here to showing you aren't a 13 year old with a keyboard. Not that I am suggesting you are!


Also, my friends own both e36's and e46's, and in pretty much every case, the e46 is quicker... so if i can beat all of those cars in the WRX, how come i can't beat a z3???

At a recent drag race a group of my friends gathered to see what could do what. Stock 2002 WRX, E36 318is turbo, stock E36 M3 convertible, R33 GTR and my M Coupe.

Everybody there beat the WRX. This is real world racing you understand, not what a magazine says or what your mate at the BMW dealer says.

Now you mentioned that your WRX is stock, so I'm assuming it must be some sort of sooper dooper STi limited edition version that makes am shitload more power than a standard WRX?

Anyway, message me about meeting up for a run at Eastern Creek where fun can be had by all.

you know, this whole big argument wouldnt be going on if we can just realize US and Australian WRX are TWO DIFFERENT cars in terms of speed. USA has been getting the slower model of fast cars for years. What we think to be slow is not necessarly slow somewhere else.

Kenny, thanks for the comments. And you are correct, I'm not doing anything but refuting some rather bold statements from a newbie, not in anyway saying BMW's are the end all be all of the performance world in every conceivable category, etc.

And BMP, I'm going to ask you to put yourself in our shoes for a moment, you come on here, you don't own a BMW, and you make bold blanket statements to the effect of "Nothing short of an M car can beat a WRX in the 1/4 mile". I was simply digging up some examples.

Next, your bold blanket statements smack of "nothing Kenny has can touch my AMG". As a new guy here, who doesn't even own a BMW (on a BMW site) you have to understand we do get trolls from time to time who's only reason for coming here is to stir up trouble.

Your posts came across not only as belligerent, but extremely cocky- a combination we here in the USA would equate to "shooting one's mouth off". That's not a personal attack, it's an assessment of your approach here.

The only person to go off on anyone, take life a little too seriously, and get out of line, in this whole 6 page thread was you in Post #133.

Make no mistake, I don't usually tolerate crap like that in Post #133. All I can say is, you're lucky I read Post #134 just after reading #133, otherwise you'd likely be banned for that behavior. Even still, if I wanted to make a case of it with The Admins here, I could- at any time, based on that post alone.

I'd rather see you as a contributing member, bringing a new and varied perspective to our discussions here. You have some different cars, and sounds like you like to race them- I think that's cool, and we could all learn from one another.

Hopefully, you had a nice weekend, had some fun at the track, and have some new times to report to us, and we can all get along just fine. :)

Originally posted by BMPOWER
well im glad that we have maintained some degree of civility....

but to clarify,...... and "no" this is not a personal attack....

you silverstreak are the person who made the conversation personal when you suggested that i was "shooting my mouth off" about owning an AMG. Prior to that, it was a debate about the virtues of the cars and then you decided to make it personal.... not me...

i just think that being a moderator, it would be unfair for you to have a double standard, atleast thats my take on it....


You just don't know when to shut up, don't you? :rolleyes:


the only explanation i can think of is that your cars must be different spec.

How about a great driver with a great launch? Did this ever occured to you that a great driver doesn't need AWD to get 1.6xx 60' times? Sheesh... :embarrasm

BMPOWER: It's been a few days but I haven't heard from you. I'm keen to hear what times you ran at Eastern Creek on Saturday. Times for a 2003 WRX, E46 M3 and SL55 AMG would be nice to compare and contrast.

I also have another BMW owner with a lowly 1973(?) 2002 that wants a piece of your AMG at the track.


I'd say that your M coupe would get absolutely annihilated by my AMG. Hell, i wouldn't even have to whack slicks on her and you would be left a laughing stock... furthermore... my car is an auto!!!!


Just in order to understand this, what sort of spread would you say is a fair representation of "total annihilation"? How about 3 seconds? More? Less?

I am big enough to admit when I am beaten, or even annihilated. I think admitting you've been beaten fair and square is noble, don't you agree?

Look forward to hearing from you.

BMPOWER:
your comments leave me little more then to draw the conclusion that your an utter tool, perhaps you can prove me wrong???

Mistake 1:
E46 M3s don't run 13.5s, your beloved magazine figures on this occasion from Wheels claim 13.9. They're slower then the old E36 3.2Ls, I have seen a stock E36 3.2 litre run a 13.7 at Eastern Creek!

Mistake 2:
Paying out on Silver streak, he has something to show for a street driven BMW that runs 11s in fact and is a really cool guy with no ego problems plus he posts good info!

Mistake 3:
Not reading Mr Blondes Sig at the bottom of his posts, plus saying you will thrash him with your Merc without even seeing his car, he'll toast you!

Mistake 4:
Your utter arrogance, you come onto a board where there are some pretty tough cars (we'll for BMWs anyway) and knowledgeable people, you insult them, their cars and try to make yourself look like the "King Shit", respect works in 2 ways buddy!
You spent over $200 grand on a car that barely cuts high 12s, my 30 year old car ran 12s at my first ever drag meet without your cars price tag......
Enough talk bring your car (not your keyboard or copy of Wheels magazine) to the creek or show us some real time slips because cutting you down is like kicking a puppy!:D

Easy fellas. Perhaps he has not posted back here with his times from this weekend cuz he didn't go, or didn't do that well, or he's just been busy, etc... :dunno

But I originally asked for any times he's ever run at the track, not specifically the most recent. I don't care if it's from a year ago, as long as it was him running those times in his WRX and AMG SL55.

He has not indicated that he has ever actually tracked his WRX or AMG SL55- which was my original question to him....

If he's never tracked his WRX or AMG SL55 at the 1/4 mile track, that's fine, but he should stop magazine racing and just tell us that...

Silver Streak,

its ok I understand as a mod you want some calm about the place, its just when I see someone posting such utter trash
as a relaxed kind of person you have to let them know to as we say in Australia "pull your head in".
When they don't do this, well let them know what you really think of them!

The wait for BMPOWER and his world record ETs begins.......

I am sure if someone contacted Eastern Creek management they would be able to tell you what club ran on that date...if any. They should also have copies of all times posted and cars posting same.

Cheers

Oh, and I drive a 318i, but shit I still love it as much as you all love your cars.

I for one hope BMPOWER did run his AMG and got a fast time. I am a competitve peson by nature and I love going head to head with someone to test my skills and courage.

So it would be no fun if it was an easy kill; I want a challenge not a walkover.

Kenny is indeed a compeditive person, and I misunderstood this in the past and acted like a tool, all of which I regret. In any case, thats all behind us now I hope.

We have to meet up at EC some time for a run. That and another Maisys gathering. Lets line it up!

I've just ordered my new pistons so the engine buildup is on its way, just sourcing components for the next 8 weeks. I hate to think how long its all going to take, but thats all part of the course. Finally things are coming together.

Well, it's Wednesday, no word from BMP yet?

Dave: No sign from our AMG, WRX, HSV and E46 M3 owning superstar. And I was so looking forward to being annihilated at Eastern Creek.

Ben: All forgotten dude, join us at EC next time we go out.

And another day passes....

Looks like a defeat by default here. He hasn't showed up!

Couldn't we track his ass down with his IP address and heckle him on whatever board he posts on?

Tick-tock... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by MotorWerkz
well .. you can believe what you want to believe .. if you have WRX, I would love to use my friend's 528i to race you 20 miles .. how does that sound?

I mentioned that my friend's was not racing from a stop, but from 70 mph roll, my friend topped out at ~135 mph and that WRX topped out at around 125 mph .. we are talking about top speed here .. not acceleration. :)

Not sure about WRX's gearing in US equipped cars, but WRXs in Europe are geared to top out in the south side of 260 km/h or about 150mph+ and they get there fast!

The WRX definitely didn't top out at 125. He may have taken his foot off the throttle at 125, but the car will go faster.
The auto is governed to the far side of 130.
The manual will do 145+ with a tailwind ;) Don't ask how I know.

Maybe I read a little too fast but it seemed to me BMP was talking about being at the track July 5th, which is still coming up.

I think you read correctly about 5th July, however I know of no drag racing held during the day on Saturdays at Eastern Creek. I'm not saying that there aren't any such events, just that I have never heard of them. Off street drag racing at EC happens every second Wednesday night.

If BMP is reading this thread and waiting to post his times then how about a response to my request for a PM?

I can't meet up with him if he doesn't contact me to arrange.

Well, I haven't locked this post yet (although there were 2-3 times I should have) I'm just leaving it open for his response... :dunno

I don't think we are ever going to hear from BMPOWER on this matter again.

Originally posted by MrBlonde
I don't think we are ever going to hear from BMPOWER on this matter again.

Silence often speaks volumes...

Ownage by Mrblonde

well i have to add my 2 cents. I love bmw's, great cars. I have a wrx. the fastest time slip i have seen for a bone stock wrx in the quarter is 13.96. Thats w/ droppin the tranny like a mother, so i wouldn't want to do that. Anyways, TurboXS's stage 4 car ran a 11.96 w/ 3500 dollars in it. If I put 3500 dollars into an e36 m3, i dont think i would be dabbin in the 11's. Also ESX just made a 740 crank hp wrx. Obviously not a daily driver, but the potential is there. One last thing, what I'm doing. The TurboXS stage 2 w/ uppipe. Basically takes it from 227 to 309 hp (227 wheel hp)and will cost me 1,650. I think that might help me on the highway :) Anywho, I am confident i can take a stock e36 in the quarter. I'll stop typing now.
Batman

I'm confident I can take John Force in the quarter.

:lol:

This has got to be one of the BEST threads that I have ever read!

Funny stuff.

jsut to put in my two cents,when i was going to school in atlanta, i was in my friends 325, he has intake chip and exhaust, brake kit i cant remember which thats it, its 94 325 4 door...

we were getting on highway 400(this is in atlanta,) and he was going from first to second and a wrx gunned it past us and my boy caught up to at about 95mph and left him something serious after that... straight up, the dude gave us the thumbs up.....