Ardika came by today and picked up his HPF Stage 3 (858rwhp) "SMG" M3. While he was here we strapped it down on the dyno so he could see just how ridiculous 858rwhp really is. Then he drove his new monster and gave us his first impressions.

Here is the video footage...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky3NWEfOV4Y

Here are some pictures of his gorgeous SMG M3 before it left our shop.

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/ardika/completed/ardika1.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/ardika/completed/ardika4.jpg

And yes, those are water spots. :)

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/ardika/completed/ardika2.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/ardika/completed/ardika6.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/ardika/completed/ardika3.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/ardika/completed/ardika5.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/ardika/completed/ardika9.jpg

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/miscellaneous/m3turbokit/ardika/completed/ardika7.jpg

:) Nice, Looks excellent, I want one :) Now where are the videos of it annihilating some exotics and some 1 liter bikes :)

Now where are the videos of it annihilating some exotics and some 1 liter bikes :)

Yesm plz.

jesus christ that is LOUD. And sounds oh so sexy. I'd tap that. Ardika is one lucky kid.

Awesome!!! :eek:

Ardika is going to have a blast driving that monster home.

Damnn :worship: that thing is sick!! :buttrock

Ardika ... that is an interesting name ... he looks to be Asian ... quite interesting ...

Oh yah and I love the Steel Grey/Imola! Nice overall car!

That thing sounds Insane...

When the boost comes on, it must be unreal when you've got traction.

That thing is a beast, hopefully he can keep it straight on his way home.
Awesome!!! :eek:

Ardika is going to have a blast driving that monster home.

That car is SRS BSNS right there! http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/images/smilies/bugeye.gif http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/images/smilies/bugeye.gif http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/images/smilies/bugeye.gif http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/images/smilies/bugeye.gif

I love that it is a sleeper. I would put some 15" rims in rear with M/T slicks immediately and go searching for some serious cars and bikes! :buttrock

That car is SRS BSNS right there! http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/images/smilies/bugeye.gif http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/images/smilies/bugeye.gif http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/images/smilies/bugeye.gif http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/images/smilies/bugeye.gif

I love that it is a sleeper. I would put some 15" rims in rear with M/T slicks immediately and go searching for some serious cars and bikes! :buttrock

When are you getting yours cam?

That car is SRS BSNS right there! http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/images/smilies/bugeye.gif http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/images/smilies/bugeye.gif http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/images/smilies/bugeye.gif http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/images/smilies/bugeye.gif

I love that it is a sleeper. I would put some 15" rims in rear with M/T slicks immediately and go searching for some serious cars and bikes! :buttrock

You can't put 15s on an e46 M3. However, he could put 17" DSIs and Contours for sure! :buttrock

You can't put 15s on an e46 M3. However, he could put 17" DSIs and Contours for sure! :buttrock
Then he needs to change the rear brakes. :stickoutt

17s and M/Ts then. :) Oh Oh and video! :)
When are you getting yours cam?
I've been waiting on e34biturbo to send the e30 m3 15" rims for while. Maybe I will just have some custom ones built...12" wide.

You can't put 15s on an e46 M3. However, he could put 17" DSIs and Contours for sure! :buttrock

You can fit whatever your wallet desires.

Then he needs to change the rear brakes. :stickoutt

17s and M/Ts then. :) Oh Oh and video! :)

He is going to need all the brakes he can get so it would be a very bad idea to put on smaller brakes! Did you ever notice how the rear M3 brakes are almost as big as the front on an e46?

For gearing sake and for maximum power/grip it would be best to go with a 17" or 18" wheel with at least 13" slicks or R compounds! Since he is on stock fenders, he might not be able to fit any wider than a 315 rear tire on stock suspension. 315 Kumho V710s on a 17" wheel come to mind as a very good and affordable R compound and DOT approved tire.

ya, he definitely needs more rubber in the rear

lucky him

It's no big deal to fit smaller rear rotors to clear 15" wheels on an E46 M3. Most of the braking is done by the front rotors.

For drag racing, the width of rubber is important, but not as important as height. And you cannot fit taller than 26" slicks under the E46 M3. Further, the largest slicks in 26" tall are 10" wide.

kenny in the states we can get a 11.5 wide. mickey thompson makes em

Deceptively benign...

Is that ///M3vader4dr :shifty

Awesome work guys, I am trying to convince a friend to buy a HPF stg1 or 2 M3 instead of a Z06 hopefully he will listen. He is liking the videos he has seen so far.

Awesome work guys, I am trying to convince a friend to buy a HPF stg1 or 2 M3 instead of a Z06 hopefully he will listen. He is liking the videos he has seen so far.

I dont think a stage 1 will be able to beat a c6 z06. He better go for a stage 2:stickoutt.

Wish you had gotten footage of him first driving the car on the street. I remember that last vid when you guys picked up some dude from the airport and when he floored it. The look on his face was priceless.

Haha congrats Ardika, this car is getting the widebody isn't it? Or is that a different one?

def did good. haha

Lucky Bastard! I wish I had the money. Time for rolled fenders or wide body.

I dont think a stage 1 will be able to beat a c6 z06. He better go for a stage 2:stickoutt.
maybe if the stage 1 is on 91 then it will be CLOSE. but if its on race gas then the zo6 hasnt got a chance in hell.
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/images/products/horsepowerfreaks/M3TurboKitDynos.gif

Someone please assure me this guy has a LOT of driver training...

800hp? Thats just stupid power. Its not even usable...

Someone please assure me this guy has a LOT of driver training...

800hp? Thats just stupid power. Its not even usable...


i would tend to agree.. 400 wheel seems like a lot on the street.. but it sure would be fun!

Im curious at how hard the TC kicks in.. I know on some stage 3 VW's its like a swift kick in the nuts..

anywho.... nice work with that.. what was the final $ amount to get there?

Someone please assure me this guy has a LOT of driver training...

800hp? Thats just stupid power. Its not even usable...
When Ardika does a Vbox run then that will prove your theory wrong.

HPF Stage II race fuel + methanol is 6.89 seconds 60-130. I will bet that the 91 octane Stage I/II with ~425whp will yield a much larger number and Ardika's 858whp car will yield much lower than 6.89. That will prove it is usable power because there must be enough tracton to still be quicker than Stage II.

I dont think a stage 1 will be able to beat a c6 z06. He better go for a stage 2:stickoutt.
That's what I said except I said stage 3. He looked at the price and staggered a little bit. Baby steps though he has always head american cars, but the look on his face was priceless when he saw the video.

When Ardika does a Vbox run then that will prove your theory wrong.

HPF Stage II race fuel + methanol is 6.89 seconds 60-130. I will bet that the 91 octane Stage I/II with ~425whp will yield a much larger number and Ardika's 858whp car will yield much lower than 6.89. That will prove it is usable power because there must be enough tracton to still be quicker than Stage II.

I'm not talking about straight line power. Nobody should own a BMW for straight line power. I'm not trying to sound like a dick, it sure is impressive. But why? For the money he just dumped into his already great car... he could have had a 911 Turbo, GT3, etc.

I'm not against F/I whatsoever, but 800whp will never EVER be used for what the car was designed for.

I'm not talking about straight line power. Nobody should own a BMW for straight line power. I'm not trying to sound like a dick, it sure is impressive. But why? For the money he just dumped into his already great car... he could have had a 911 Turbo, GT3, etc.

I'm not against F/I whatsoever, but 800whp will never EVER be used for what the car was designed for.

:shifty

I'm not talking about straight line power. Nobody should own a BMW for straight line power. I'm not trying to sound like a dick, it sure is impressive. But why? For the money he just dumped into his already great car... he could have had a 911 Turbo, GT3, etc.

I'm not against F/I whatsoever, but 800whp will never EVER be used for what the car was designed for.

Doesn't sound like you belong in the FI section.

I'm not talking about straight line power. Nobody should own a BMW for straight line power. I'm not trying to sound like a dick, it sure is impressive. But why? For the money he just dumped into his already great car... he could have had a 911 Turbo, GT3, etc.

I'm not against F/I whatsoever, but 800whp will never EVER be used for what the car was designed for.

Your full of yourself. Even around a track, a stage3 will still beat a stock 911 turbo or gt3. How about you dig your head out of your ass because for one thing, 99% of BMW owners don't even drive their cars to its potential. And your one of the 99%.

I'm not against F/I whatsoever, but 800whp will never EVER be used for what the car was designed for.
Yeah...so? I wouldn't have to gather up too many brain cells to suggest that members in the FI section do not do what they do to their cars in order to use those cars exactly what they were designed for. One brain cell tells me that if that was the case, they would not be in the FI section for they would be part of the "OEM or Die" section and do absolutely nothing to the car in the way of modification.

If you can't handle the deep anal, don't google the porn sites...get my drift? :naughty

Ziiiiiinnng!

Very impressive. I hope ardika puts up some videos of the beast in action!

wow...that thing is AMAZING

If you can't handle the deep anal, don't google the porn sites...get my drift? :naughty

:lol

I have resigned myself to the fact that the Stage 2 kit is the best overall kit. It has the most power for the least $$$. I like not having to fill up my tank with race fuel in order to get more power. It is so much easier to just let the w/a kick in at boost pressures above the 6psi pump gas tune.

Now, even though HPF dodged my question earlier, I'm gonna ask it again in a different way. I think I'm just gonna wait it out until the day someone comes out with a Stage 2 using the stock motor plus a thicker MLS HG and oversized head studs like they do with the s50/s52. If those cars can hold together for 500+whp at 19psi on pump gas with stock internals plus .140" HG and ARP 10 mm head studs, then imagine what the S54 with stock internals, .140" HG and oversized head studs can do with its dual vanos and superior head design at 19psi on pump gas on this turbo. Can we say at least 650+whp on pump and then maybe 750+whp with pump + methanol? :buttrock

Now, even though HPF dodged my question earlier. I think I'm just gonna wait it out until the day someone comes out with a Stage 2 using the stock motor plus a thicker MLS HG and oversized head studs like they do with the s50/s52. If those cars can hold together for 500+whp at 19psi on pump gas with stock motor plus .140" HG and ARP 10 mm head studs, then imagine what the stock S54 with .140" HG and oversized head studs can do with its dual vanos and superior head design at 19psi on pump gas on this turbo. Can we say at least 650+whp on pump and then maybe 750+whp with pump + methanol? :buttrock
Everyone dodges this question. I even asked VFE and Evosport this question regarding their larger blower T-trim and smaller pulley with built motor tune. Ignored. I also asked it on m3forum and it was ignored. The e46 guys generally have no experience with this so they don't want to go there. I agree with you, the s54 is engineered sooooooooo much better than the e36 m50+ motors ;) so you would think it would work even better with an s54. The waterjacket placement alone would warrant much more success. Someone is going to have to be the guinea pig and talk HPF into doing a Stage 3 yet only a thicker HG and studs instead of built motor while taking full responsibility for anything that goes wrong. I think it would be the perfect opportunity for a current Stage II customer.

I think it would be the perfect opportunity for a current Stage II customer.

I would gladly volunteer but not sure if its worth the risk of blowing the motor.

Your full of yourself. Even around a track, a stage3 will still beat a stock 911 turbo or gt3. How about you dig your head out of your ass because for one thing, 99% of BMW owners don't even drive their cars to its potential. And your one of the 99%.


Was that necessary? I simply stated my opinion. Don't criticize my driving, you don't even know me.

Dang! Congrats to both HPF and Ardika! Thats gotta be insane, have fun :devillook lots of it.

I have resigned myself to the fact that the Stage 2 kit is the best overall kit. It has the most power for the least $$$. I like not having to fill up my tank with race fuel just so I can use it. It is so much easier to just let the w/a kick in at boost pressures above the 6psi pump gas tune.

Now, even though HPF dodged my question earlier. I think I'm just gonna wait it out until the day someone comes out with a Stage 2 using the stock motor plus a thicker MLS HG and oversized head studs like they do with the s50/s52. If those cars can hold together for 500+whp at 19psi on pump gas with stock motor plus .140" HG and ARP 10 mm head studs, then imagine what the stock S54 with .140" HG and oversized head studs can do with its dual vanos and superior head design at 19psi on pump gas on this turbo. Can we say at least 650+whp on pump and then maybe 750+whp with pump + methanol? :buttrock

That's a good question. We could certainly run a thicker head gasket to drop the compression, but about one year ago people were telling me that the factory pistons would never handle 500rwhp as the ring lands would brake. I do believe the factory pistons could handle 722rwhp for a short pull because we did it... once... The factory pistons are not ceramic coated (coatings can really help keep pre-ignition down), they have MUCH sharper edges than our stage 3 pistons (hot spots that can lead to pre-ignition), the wrist pins are far smaller and weaker and have less surface area in contact, the factory pistons don't have oil ports for the wrist pins, the factory pistons don't have skirt coatings to protect the cylinder walls, the factory pistons only have 2 oil ports for the rings instead of 8 like on our stage 3 pistons.

And that's just pistons... I haven't even started talking about rods, rod bolts and main bolts that should be replaced to make stage 3 power figures.

Ardika used up all the race fuel and all the methanol in his car before he even got out of Oregon (300 miles). We're just not going to produce a kit that has the potential to leave a customer stranded somewhere even if it means losing a sale. Especially when we get customers like Ardika going for the land speed record every time he takes the car out. :)

Chris.

That's a good question. We could certainly run a thicker head gasket to drop the compression, but about one year ago people were telling me that the factory pistons would never handle 500rwhp as the ring lands would brake. I do believe the factory pistons could handle 722rwhp for a short pull because we did it... once... The factory pistons are not ceramic coated (coatings can really help keep pre-ignition down), they have MUCH sharper edges than our stage 3 pistons (hot spots that can lead to pre-ignition), the wrist pins are far smaller and weaker and have less surface area in contact, the factory pistons don't have oil ports for the wrist pins, the factory pistons don't have skirt coatings to protect the cylinder walls, the factory pistons only have 2 oil ports for the rings instead of 8 like on our stage 3 pistons.

And that's just pistons... I haven't even started talking about rods, rod bolts and main bolts that should be replaced to make stage 3 power figures.

Ardika used up all the race fuel and all the methanol in his car before he even got out of Oregon (300 miles). We're just not going to produce a kit that has the potential to leave a customer stranded somewhere even if it means losing a sale. Especially when we get customers like Ardika going for the land speed record every time he takes the car out. :)

Chris.
Well there you go. Perfect answer from the man himself. :thumbup:

That's a good question. We could certainly run a thicker head gasket to drop the compression, but about one year ago people were telling me that the factory pistons would never handle 500rwhp as the ring lands would brake. I do believe the factory pistons could handle 722rwhp for a short pull because we did it... once... The factory pistons are not ceramic coated (coatings can really help keep pre-ignition down), they have MUCH sharper edges than our stage 3 pistons (hot spots that can lead to pre-ignition), the wrist pins are far smaller and weaker and have less surface area in contact, the factory pistons don't have oil ports for the wrist pins, the factory pistons don't have skirt coatings to protect the cylinder walls, the factory pistons only have 2 oil ports for the rings instead of 8 like on our stage 3 pistons.

And that's just pistons... I haven't even started talking about rods, rod bolts and main bolts that should be replaced to make stage 3 power figures.

Ardika used up all the race fuel and all the methanol in his car before he even got out of Oregon (300 miles). We're just not going to produce a kit that has the potential to leave a customer stranded somewhere even if it means losing a sale. Especially when we get customers like Ardika going for the land speed record every time he takes the car out. :)

Chris.

Now that is a well written and timely answer. Why couldn't I get that before? :confused

Question though, if the stock pistons are only good for 500whp then how come you guys are making more than that with the Stage 2 plus methanol or even the Stage 1 plus race gas? I'm referencing the inadeqate oil ports and wrist pins ...

Question though, if the stock pistons are only good for 500whp then how come you guys are making more than that with the Stage 2 plus methanol or even the Stage 1 plus race gas? I'm referencing the inadeqate oil ports and wrist pins ...
Answered below.
...about one year ago people were telling me that the factory pistons would never handle 500rwhp as the ring lands would brake.
I would think these "people" were assuming things. HPF found out the truth for real through R&D and felt the HPF S2 numbers to be safe. They went to 722whp but backed down to the current S2 numbers.

Answered below.

I would think these "people" were assuming things. HPF found out the truth for real through R&D and felt the HPF S2 numbers to be safe. They went to 722whp but backed down to the current S2 numbers.

Chris said that 722rwhp was for one pull though. I would rather see a car that ran with that much power for at least 5k miles where it is boosting at least for a few third and fourth gear pulls on the street everyday before any determination of the durability of the pistons, ring lands, wrist pins, rods, etcetera etcetera could be made.

I more than anyone else want to see it work with a thicker headgasket and head studs. Maybe in a year or so we will see where the current flock of Stage 1 and Stage 2 guys are with their motors. It would be nice to see how they hold up with 5-10k miles on the kits with compression checks and a look at the piston tops and cylinder walls. I'll wait it out and see what happens.

Chris said that 722rwhp was for one pull though. I would rather see a car that ran with that much power for at least 5k miles where it is boosting at least for a few third and fourth gear pulls on the street everyday before any determination of the durability of the pistons, ring lands, wrist pins, rods, etcetera etcetera could be made.

I more than anyone else want to see it work with a thicker headgasket and head studs. Maybe in a year or so we will see where the current flock of Stage 1 and Stage 2 guys are with their motors. It would be nice to see how they hold up with 5-10k miles on the kits with compression checks and a look at the piston tops and cylinder walls. I'll wait it out and see what happens.

There is a common belief that piston tops, compression and cylinder walls will be different over time with a forced induction engine than a non-forced induction engine. A properly tuned forced induction engine will have the same characteristics of a properly tuned NA engine. Both can be destroyed with a bad tune, oil starvation, etc. Both will suffer "no" long term consequences if "no" catastrophic incidents occur. There is no "cummulative" effect of long term boosting. When a motor is damaged from a poor tune, it is damaged at incidents where pre-ignition or lean conditions occur. Once a piston is damaged, the car will generally exhibit signs of this damage immediately. At minimum, it will dyno less. At maximum it will not run at all. This does not happen slowly over time. It occurs instantly.

Chris.