I was getting on the highway last night, with the usual aggressive apexing, and cautious onramp acceleration.
I brought it up to about 80mph, when I spotted a Stanger ahead.
With a slight giggle, I got right on his tail with my HIDs on his back. There was no room to pass on any side, so I waited about 15 seconds just close enough to know there was someone who wanted to play.
I could clearly read the SVT(Special Vehicle Team) badge, and make out the wider profile tires. (I believe this car delivers 320HP to the crank)
It seemed at first that he was not in the mood to play until we hit the straights. I put my turning signal on, and I passed by him at about 85. As I looked in my rear view, I noticed he wasn't there.
He was now in my blind spot, and keeping up... Cool.:p

I looked down, and noticed that I was at about 5500rpms in 4th, so I was at the heart of the Superchargers thrust zone.
It was about 77 degrees so the car would pull well.
I lurched forward to see if this guy was serious, and he was.

Wam I dropped the hammer hard. I could feel the supercharger through the gas pedal violently forcing air into the engine past redline, I shifted smoothly to avoid stupid miss-shifts, and held it down to 130.
5th was pulling like 3rd gear a this point, it was amazing!!!
I looked back to see the results, and I could see the Stanger lights about 6 car lengths back.
WOOOOOw! :eek:
Adrenaline rushing through my veins, I slowed back down to legal speeds, Ford boy got off the next exit and I went home.

I really want to run with a Mustang R lightweight. Those results may come out differently..
We'll see.

Greg:cool:

Originally posted by Greg
I looked down, and noticed that I was at about 5500rpms in 4th, so I was at the heart of the Superchargers thrust zone.
It was about 77 degrees so the car would pull well.
I lurched forward to see if this guy was serious, and he was.
Greg:cool:

So you get max boost at around 5500rpms? I wonder how a n/a M3 would do against a Cobra. Anyway, what kind of s/c you running again?

Originally posted by Rel44 M3

Anyway, what kind of s/c you running again?

Oops, never mind, saw your sig. How much psi does that give you? And do you run an aftercooler?

I am running 6psi without an aftercooler. The car makes about 290+RWHP on a 86 degree day. The car is running rich, so I have a little loss from that. You figure the car is about 340-350 when at highway speeds.
The nice thing about the supercharger is that the power is always there, but is at maximum at red line. So even down low you feel the pull, but it really comes to life between 5000-7200rpms. The power curve on a supercharged m3 is pretty much a 45 degree angle across the graph, and it does not drop at all. So on closer races, I pull on people at 6800RPMS!!!

As soon as I change my gearing, the car will tap into that power much sooner, so I await anxiously for a good 3.38:1 diff.:p

G:cool:

Hi Greg, nice kill!

If you get a 3.38:1 diff, won't your speedometer reading be wrong (overestimate actual speed) ? Or maybe you don't really care ? :-)

Thanks!
I went as far as 3.91:1 in my 325, and it changed things a little in terms of reading. Obvioulsy your top end suffers a lot with such a drastic ratio.
With a 3.38:1 it won't be such a radical change, even though it will significantly improve throttle response...

Originally posted by Greg
I really want to run with a Mustang R lightweight. Those results may come out differently..
We'll see.

Greg:cool:

Man, I haven't even seen a Mustang R on the street before. Do you have them in your area? Acceleration is similar to a Z06, no? Have you run against one of those? I see plenty of Z06's around here, no Mustang R's though.

Greg.. u make me want a SC!!! Nice kill.. thats what I like to see there..! I need to find a used SC!! :D

Originally posted by Stylin
Greg.. u make me want a SC!!! Nice kill.. thats what I like to see there..! I need to find a used SC!! :D

Willy, don't you already have the poor man's supercharger (3.38)? Besides, your car looks like it wants to be turbo'd. :D

Rel44,
You make it sound like a Supercharger is weak.. It's not what a guy in a turbo Supra was saying when I spun first gear past his passenger window last night.
You can make a supercharger put out 400HP, not good enough for you?

Originally posted by Greg
Rel44,
You make it sound like a Supercharger is weak.. It's not what a guy in a turbo Supra was saying when I spun first gear past his passenger window last night.
You can make a supercharger put out 400HP, not good enough for you?

Greg, no no, don't mean to dis. Just poking fun is all. :) I'd be happy with either setup. I've had experience with a supercharger in my old GTP, and sometimes I miss it. No experience with a turbo though. In fact, I would probably end up with a supercharger instead of a turbo if I were to put one in my car. I think the supercharger suits my driving style better.

How much psi would the supercharger need to put out to make 400hp? Is that what you're working on next?

In order to increase boost, I would need to lower compression.
Before doing that I will most likely Drop cams in, and change the gear ratio. At that point the car should develop approx. 380 at the crank. If I truely need more power than that, I can always drop compression and do more internal work, and bring boost to 9+. At that point I would be conscerned about breaking driveline components.. I would need a serious clutch, flywheel etc...
But it could be fun!!!
;)

Greg

Shit dude 3800??....What kind of SuperCharger did you say you had? Pratt and Whitney??? :)

Originally posted by Greg
At that point the car should develop approx. 3800 at the crank.
;)

Greg

Originally posted by Rel44 M3


I wonder how a n/a M3 would do against a Cobra.

M3 vs modified '98 Cobras (at least)

The M3 is normally aspirated (but not stock--let's just say well over 230rwHP): Went side by side with a '98 4.6L Mustang Cobra; he had intake, headers, exhausts, and 4.11 gearing. We were absolutely side by side from 0-110mph, and he was pushing 290rwHP (I saw the graph).

At another time, when I was at 229rwHP, I outran a slightly modified '98ish Cobra (I was at least sure it was the 24-valve, and it had intake and exhaust, and perhaps even other stuff--sounded awesome) BARELY from 80-140mph. Actually, I didn't start to pull until after 120. CYA>PM3

Our BMW HP seems more potent than American Muscle pound for pound. American cars also have greater gear shear to rob their engines from their true capabilities.
Our gearing also really hleps up top since our cars were designed for touring on the Autobahn!

Nice run!

Greg

Greg:

We HAVE to "test and tune" our cars togethere one
of these days before I sell every bolt ons I have
on my 95 M3 =).

Tong
grin from ear to ear w/a few goodies

Tong,
Are you saying your car can hang with a SCed car. :p
You must have a serious engine in there...LOL

I'll tell you, I run away from stock M3s. No offense but
290-300 rwhp will kill any naturally aspirated (stock internaled) M3. You may hang a little to 100, but after that the power is overwhelming.

The difference is really enormous. The guy you raced last time must have shifted too soon, because where your car starts to lose power up top in the revs, the SCed car really starts to push.
I get top boost at 7000.
Hey if your car is that fast, I may have to buy it.;)

Engine Mods:
ERT Supercharger
24lb injectors
Software
Euro HFM
headers
light underdrive pulley
free flow cat
es tuning exhaust

Soon:
Titanium internals
Schrick Cams

Oh uh... I had to check twice to see if this was Greg or Lou posting.. :D hahaha..

just busting chops Greg..;)

Willy,
You know I did buy it from him.:D :D What can I say great minds think alike.. ;)

What's the deal with you Hot and Sweaty HID Nights.. Wait am I confusing 2 events:D

Gmoney

Originally posted by Greg
Willy,
You know I did buy it from him.:D :D What can I say great minds think alike.. ;)

What's the deal with you Hot and Sweaty HID Nights.. Wait am I confusing 2 events:D

Gmoney

Greg... get ur ass up and get to Hot and Sweaty Daze, Im having some issues.. Lou wants to meet up at 9am Friday and I have to wait for my girl to get outa work at 3pm.. but roll in is at 6-9pm.. i gotta figure out how long it takes to get there..

Heres the email i got from HIN people

Hi Willy!

This email is to confirm that you and your 328i are registered for our biggest DAZE show to date - Hot Import DAZE, York, PA.
We here at Hot Import DAZE are really excited about our first East Coast DAZE show, and are looking forward to having you there.


Please go to www.hotimportnights.com/showinfo and click on the Car Rollin link for York, PA. You will find all the information you will need to know for rollin there.


Quick Facts:
* car rollin is from 6pm to 9pm on Friday, August 17th
* you will rollin, then be given 2 wristbands to re-enter on Saturday at 9am.
* show hours are from 11am to 7pm, Saturday, August 18th
* be sure to buy tickets to the official Import Tuner after party at www.hotimportnights.com
* all rollin information is located at www.hotimportnights.com/showinfo

See you in York!

Besides the Lightning that I drive now, my ultimate dream car is a 2000 Mustang Cobra R.

They made less of these than they did Ferrari F50's.

Ford smacked a severly underrated 5.4L 4V 385 hp N/A engine into a modded chassis Mustang, complete with double wishbone suspension all around (which means I.S. in the rear), Brembo brakes, and one mean ass body kit along with weight reduction, racing seats, etc...

They are all sold, and about 20 are wrecked already. It is a true collector's car.

They are monsters top end. I still beleive the F/I Z-car can hang with it though. An acquiantance has a Vortech'ed M-Coupe and that thing is insanely fast. I know its a diff engine, but it shows how well BMW's I6's respond to forced air.

Take care guys!

moerom, yeah I think I recall an article where a 2000 Cobra R was dyno'ed and it put down 384.5 rwhp, and the writers joked "now THAT is an efficient drivetrain!" or some such quip, but it goes to your point that the 00 R was severely under rated....

And yes, I agree with your other point, BMW's I6's do respond well to FI... :devillook

Rel, there's a 96-98 Cobra that runs around Chattanooga that my brother is trying to hook up a race with for me. We almost had it together one night, until one of this guy's buddies (who wasn't even involved in the race) started shooting off his mouth, and they got pissed and left.

I'll let you know the results once we get it done, as I am also anxious to see how an E36 M3 holds up against the mid-to-late 90's Cobras. I imagine the 315 hp Cobras would hand me my ass and I know for a fact that it wouldn't even be a competition worth mentioning with the newest 385 hp Cobras.

The dude I raced in the Cobra had the license plate:
"SVTMSTNG" or something like that. I used to see this dude around the town, and he would give me the dirtiest lookds. His car sounded much more aggressive than my SC M3 which was a sleeeeeeper. He never looked at me the same way again!

:lol: That's awesome, Greg! :D

Originally posted by Ron17
Rel, there's a 96-98 Cobra that runs around Chattanooga that my brother is trying to hook up a race with for me. We almost had it together one night, until one of this guy's buddies (who wasn't even involved in the race) started shooting off his mouth, and they got pissed and left.

I'll let you know the results once we get it done, as I am also anxious to see how an E36 M3 holds up against the mid-to-late 90's Cobras. I imagine the 315 hp Cobras would hand me my ass and I know for a fact that it wouldn't even be a competition worth mentioning with the newest 385 hp Cobras.

I posted my 2 races from a stop with a '97 Cobra, the details are out there somewhere if you search. I pulled on him off the line but we quit at 100. It seemed like he was pulling on me right before the end, but I think he was still in 3rd while I had just shifted to 4th, we couldn't get any faster than that on the road we were on. Overall I'd say we were more or less equal.

Originally posted by Greg


I really want to run with a Mustang R lightweight. Those results may come out differently..
We'll see.

Greg:cool:

Greg, if you really want a challenge, race the 03' Cobra. That one is miles faster than the late ninety's version. I think you'll have more fun with one of those.

Originally posted by Brad D.


Greg, if you really want a challenge, race the 03' Cobra. That one is miles faster than the late ninety's version. I think you'll have more fun with one of those.

Stock for stock the Cobra R and the '03 Cobra run about the same times. I'm sure the '03 Cobra might be cheaper hp to mod, but I wouldn't underestimate the Cobra R. Like a Lightweight E36 M3 I bet it has more punch than expected just looking at hp #s. Plus if you wanna go places other than straight lines I bet the Cobra R would handily beat the '03 Cobra. :) Of course I wouldn't spend an extra $20K on one over a '03, but like the Ltw M3 I'm sure alot of Mustang fans would love to have one over a 'normal' Stang.

The Cobra R's are nice and not many were made.

I would get the '03 Cobra, spend $1100 on a Venom kit and do low to mid 11's at the 1/4mile. Its not far off from getting 9s.

Originally posted by Ron17
I am also anxious to see how an E36 M3 holds up against the mid-to-late 90's Cobras. I imagine the 315 hp Cobras would hand me my ass and I know for a fact that it wouldn't even be a competition worth mentioning with the newest 385 hp Cobras.

I have never raced an M3 or any M powered car before, so I'm anxious to see what happens. Shoot, my dad won't even do a casual stoplight race with his 540i against my Cobra :(

who the hell brought this back to life????

Moi!

Greg, if you really want a challenge, race the 03' Cobra. That one is miles faster than the late ninety's version. I think you'll have more fun with one of those.

Funny you say that. I went and checked all the specs on that car on the web at the Ford site.
It's a monster, but so is the curb weight. It weighs 3600lbs!Ouch.

So if I weigh 3030, and have 375HP, I should be able to hang. If not ... Inflict some damage.:evil2

The only way to find out is to test it... Can't wait.
Hopefully by then I can drop in a stage 2, and get over 400 ponies.:buttrock

Greg,

You can possibly beat, hang, and most certainly inflict some damage a stock 2003 Cobra. That car is just sick out of the factory. The power is way under rated. People are getting 390RWHP @ 8psi so its putting out more than whats advertised at the crank.

One could just buy the cobra, slap on this kit ( http://www.uprproducts.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=396 )
and do 11s all day and nothing wont break. Add some slicks and a few hundred dollars more and you'll be seeing 9s.

SVT tested the Cobra at the drag strip over 500x testing the drivetrain to see if it will hold up and the engineers gave up because nothing failed.

The more I learn about this new cobra, the more I want to get one.

I saw a Cobra R once, sounded and looked very mean. But I think the 03 Cobra is a bit quicker than the Cobra R (Cobra R owners must be pissed :laugh)
I wish BMW's were as easy to fix up as the new Cobra :(

Again the weight is going to play a part in power delivery.
Not too concerned about it. Had I wanted American muslce, I would have bought that or the Z06 Vettest.

I do have to ad that power is only a portion of it. With my car stock I was side by side with an E46M3 from 60 -135mph.
Now. I had 240HP vs his 333HP. His weight is about 3400, and he had a six speed with great gearing. I think that with 375 to 400HP, that I will be able to hang with a stock 03 Cobra.

Can't wait!:redspot

Power to weight ratio and gearing are huge factors. :devillook

Originally posted by SilverStreak
Power to weight ratio and gearing are huge factors. :devillook

true true. Mustangs are huge fat pigs nowadays. New Cobra is like 3700lbs I think. My car is 200 less. I wish they made slim fast for cars :(

Originally posted by Greg
Again the weight is going to play a part in power delivery.
Not too concerned about it. Had I wanted American muslce, I would have bought that or the Z06 Vettest.

I do have to ad that power is only a portion of it. With my car stock I was side by side with an E46M3 from 60 -135mph.
Now. I had 240HP vs his 333HP. His weight is about 3400, and he had a six speed with great gearing. I think that with 375 to 400HP, that I will be able to hang with a stock 03 Cobra.

Can't wait!:redspot

Remeber it all comes down to driver more then anything else... and as stated above the Cobra is underated from the factory and is putting down 360-370WHP... yes it's fairly heavy but with a good driver i see them running 12.6-12.7's @ 112-114mph bone stock.But i see them running as slow as 13.5 @ 107 bone stock... depends on who you run into driving it.

How do your 1/4 mile numbers compare??

Silverstreak, you ever do any highway pulls?? I got a FWD German car that won't get off the line but has a little pep once it's rolling.. Ever up around Englishtown?

Hi VW, as I mentioned in my other post/response to you, I'm laid up for a little while, I mainly race at Atco cuz it's so close, but I have been to E-town in the past, but not with my BMW yet.

Highway pulls/racing from a roll- it ain't racing. There's no skill involved. It measures nothing, it proves nothing.
And high speed racing on public roads is generally not that safe.

Highway pulls/racing from a roll, is like masturbation- it can be a lot of fun, but really accomplishes nothing, is nothing to be proud of/brag about, often it creates a mess to clean up later, and while it get your rocks off for a moment, it's no substitute for the real thing... :D

Dave,
You are right. But about no skill involved I beg to differ.
I've beaten much faster cars from 60 to 120 simply on better, quicker shifts.
Since I'm not into killing my clutch and doing hard launches, I can only do highway runs.
Granted my favorite would be in the twisties, but, most drivers refrain out of fear!!!:eek:

I hear ya, Greg, but what if you're in the wrong gear at the start of it, like there is no right gear, like too high rpm for 3rd, too low for 4th, you can't control that, and shifting fast while on the move from a roll may require "some" skill, but nothing compared to the holeshot... :D

Plus what about the start? Whoever precipitates the countdown has a slight edge, etc. When an independent light goes green, there's less room for bullshit excuses afterwards. ;)

Too many factors, and too dependent on the car itself, not the driver.

Originally posted by Greg
Dave,
You are right. But about no skill involved I beg to differ.
I've beaten much faster cars from 60 to 120 simply on better, quicker shifts.
Since I'm not into killing my clutch and doing hard launches, I can only do highway runs.
Granted my favorite would be in the twisties, but, most drivers refrain out of fear!!!:eek:

Drag racing does require skill but only for just under two seconds, once your launched its shift and go straight!! Alot of skill, but for a short period per race. On the other hand lets hit some twisties, you may get the launch, but what happens when you need to use the other parts of the car like the brakes, ect. Thats what really tests skill, and does so over and over untill someone either gives in or the road stops!! I'm not trying to discount your skill Dave, just offering my point of view, respectfully.

Greg, where are you from, I'd chase you threw some good twisties!! There is nothing like a good spirited run!!:evil2

Leo

Nope, I agree with you. Road Racing is a whole 'nother skill set. Whereas with Drag Racing, as you pointed out, has a much smaller margin for error.

But try getting a high powered light weight car down the 1/4 mile track. I have to employ almost "re-launch" skills on every shift, otherwise I'll go sideways. I have gotten my car sideways on the 3-4 shift at 93 mph at the track with my drag radials on before.

I can't just shift and go straight, not in my car. I have manipulate about a dozen or so nuances the whole way down the track. After launch, there's shift points, throttle stabs, regulating the clutch upon each shift, etc...

Go read my Launch Tips thread, it's stuck at the top of the Track Forum, to get an idea of all the factors you need to consider to pull off a decent run at the Drag Strip.

Road Racing involves a lot of skill, but so does Drag Racing- when it's done properly...

excellent points dave... and you will recall the time I got my 170hp Z3 2.3 sideways on the 2-3 shift..... it can be done!

Yeah, if I drive my car like a normal car, I'd be all over the track, I can't shift that hard and not regulate the power that goes to the ground by using the clutch, hardly "shift and go straight"...

yeah... we're not talking nascar here......

Yeah, I was speaking to bimmer143's comment of "Drag racing does require skill but only for just under two seconds, once your launched its shift and go straight!!"

Which may be true with some cars, but not with any with any balls, not if it's being driven right, at it's optimum, etc...

Let's face it, any monkey can drag race, half of those may not suck at it, while maybe only 10% do it well, and maybe only 1% are excellent at it....

Originally posted by SilverStreak
Yeah, if I drive my car like a normal car, I'd be all over the track, I can't shift that hard and not regulate the power that goes to the ground by using the clutch, hardly "shift and go straight"...

Anyone who has driven a car with power knows its more than just "shift and go straight", I've always practiced what you would call proper shifting technique, I should have fully explained myself.

BTW I have read your sticky and found that I use the same methods, maybe not always with your same results, but thats how I have always driven. Its an excellent write up.

Leo

Thanks, Leo! :)

I totally recognize and respect launching skills. I have never become fluent in high rpm launches out of respect for the machine. (Dave's red headed step clutch!! haha). I am from the conservative school of driving I suppose.

What I wanted to say was that being at speed just like being at a standstill can require skills beyond common belief.

Dave you say that you study dyno charts to determine "sweet spots" for shifting. The same applies hear. Except at higher speeds, it requires enormous HP to catch an object with momentum. So being in the right gear, not hitting limiters make a difference.

Just downshifting and bleeping the gas just enough can make the car leap forward and give advantage.

Shifting, timing, precision, coordination etc... They all play a part.

Again I feel my greatest strength lies in the corners.

Leo! I am in NY... Always up for some spirited driving.:buttrock

Greg, I'll be in Albany for Thanksgiving weekend. If your not busy, I wouldn't mind checking out that S/C'ed M coupe of yours.

I am in the Albany area often as that is where my family is from, we should definitely get together for some fun sometime. How far are you from the Albany area?

Bimmer 143,
That's great idea. However I am on the other end of the state in Westchester!

SilverStreak.... trust me... your not talk to a track novice ;) And i'd be more the happy run brackets... as opposed to heads up...
But you try launch 400whp on a FWD car on tiny ass 22x8 in slicks... and you see how easy it is.. I use to pull better 60fts on regular street tires when i was all motor and goin 13.9, 2.0 60fts... now i strugle for 2.0 60fts.
I should be at ATCO on sunday for the last import event of the year, hopefully i can finally get accustommed to launch the power at the track. we shall see..

I trap 6mph faster then you and my best e/t is .5 slower haha 2.0 60fts suck ass..

Tim

Sounds very cool, Tim. Yep, 60' times make your ET, no doubt. Launching FWD cars is a bitch. I had trouble getting under 2.0 60' times with my wife's 03 Acura CL-S 6 spd, so I can only imagine what it's like with 400whp.

You'll have to post and tell us more about your car, mods, some dyno runs, time slips, etc... :buttrock

Cool, ok here is what i got
GTI VR6 - Raceweight w/driver - 2840lbs
Slicks - 22x8x15 m/t
Turbo VR6, ATP Turbo Setup, T04 60-1 (Manny bimmer guys refer to it as the T60-1), Stock bottom end, copper headgasket, o-ringed head, stock injectors, eip turbo chip, spearco fmic.
I can run 18psi on the stock block on race gas, or 16psi on 94octane... my car has never been dynoed by my friends with a same setup made 354whp/373tq on 93octane at 15psi, and 385whp/420tq on 16psi and race gas.

Best run to date with only bout 15passes under boost is 12.2 @ 119.46 2.04 60ft, best mph is 120.76...

http://www.vwsport.com/file/pafiledb.php?action=category&id=4
Thats my video section.

Tim

Very nice, Tim. Get that sucker to the dyno, plot some shift points, and use those slicks to their fullest at the track, man! :alright

No need for shift points :) 7grand is what it's all about ...
never dynoed my car all-motor till the last day before i took it apart...

only have around 1200runs down the 1/4 :)

Tim

Well, 1201 might make the difference, if you can shave 1 tenth off your 60' time, you could see 11's...

Don't even need to... my friends have been 11.8 @ 121 w/ 2.0 60fts.... i just need more time with boost...thanx for the encouragement though... maybe sunday we shall see
All-Motor/Brackets back of my hand Boost well thats some fun :)

More seat time, then. Enjoy and good luck!

My friend sent me this link. Very interesting thread...

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=17129&perpage=25&highlight=BMW&pagenumber=1

Originally posted by Jon Caldito
My friend sent me this link. Very interesting thread...

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=17129&perpage=25&highlight=BMW&pagenumber=1

LOL!!! The cobra "looks better and handles better" than the M3 and M5.

Looks are subjective, and if he's referring to "skidpad" performance as "handling" he's right...

I would almost be certain that that 03 Cobra can smoke the M5 and M3 in a straight line.
Granted if you dropped the M5 motor into the M3 chassis where it belongs, then you'd have a more appropriate machup.

But I'm quite sure an M3 would be more comfortable and easier to post faster road track times. And with greater consistency.

Agreed, Greg, just pointing out was some people consider as "superior handling" cuz there are more than one aspect to "handling", skidpad being only one of them...

I really want to run with a Mustang R lightweight. Those results may come out differently..

The R is quick, but I am almost positive you would still have it:D

Originally posted by Jon Caldito
My friend sent me this link. Very interesting thread...

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=17129&perpage=25&highlight=BMW&pagenumber=1

'03 owners :rolleyes:

last week, there was a 8-page flaming fest (http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24102) between '96-'01 owners and '03 owners. Basically, the '03 owners are like the vette owners of the Chevy world. Thye think their car is the best thing since sliced bread and some of the guys were sick of it. That thread(the M3/M5 one) was one of the pushing points for the flame fest

Its Sad to see my brothers and sisters arguing... We are all part of the same family from lx, Gt, Cobra :help , Cobra R. Its the Lx owners Like me that have to bury our heads in the ground as the Cobra owners swing there D%$@ for everyone to see. I wish the Cobra R owners would step up to end this war.... Windsor 351 ci 385 n/a hp strap a supercharger on that beast :astromile . personally I would rather own a 98 e36 m3 simply because they are so freakin beautiful. :love1


01 Mustang v6 4.2L

Originally posted by Poisoned Pony
'03 owners :rolleyes:

last week, there was a 8-page flaming fest (http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24102) between '96-'01 owners and '03 owners. Basically, the '03 owners are like the vette owners of the Chevy world. Thye think their car is the best thing since sliced bread and some of the guys were sick of it. That thread(the M3/M5 one) was one of the pushing points for the flame fest

I guess you can't read the thread without registering? It's not unlike the E46 M3 owners. Not so much the ones from bf.c, but the ones that give you the "you like the E36 M3 better because you can't afford the E46 M3" type of comments.