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sisith 03-09-2008, 09:07 PM Well I was working on my car today and was busy pulling out the old rats nest left behind from a previous stereo install and somehow the cap on the back of the ignition fell off and some metal pieces came out. Anyone know how to take out the ignition and put it back together? I tried for hours to figure out how to get the ignition out and couldnt get it.
Just when I thought it couldnt get any worse this happens to me and now I cant test to see if my car will start anymore.
I am also trying to pull the carpeting out but I cant get the blower out from under the dash. How the f do you get that thing out. There are no screws holding it in.
Layne 03-09-2008, 09:35 PM The switch is held in with tamper proof screws. They run them in and then break the heads off. You need to take a dremel tool or something and cut slots in them so you can pull them out. The a/c unit is held by one screw into the trans tunnel, and two snap clips (like the ones on an air cleaner box) up on the top.
DrewDude320i 03-09-2008, 10:17 PM the A/C unit has some hard to get to screws. I was able to get mine out after a little while of awkward positions in the car, with different length screw drivers. If you have no plans of using it again, then you can just rip off some plastic parts and make it a little easier.
sisith 03-10-2008, 07:47 PM Ok guys I took some pictures of what is going wrong. First pic is of where the ignition switch broke. Its kind of blurry but you can see how the rear cap came off. Cane I still do the push button start mod so I can get this thing driving?
http://photos.az350z.com/data/500/1185Ignition-Switch.jpg
Now after pulling out about 15 lbs of wire from an old stereo and alarm install, I have a couple wires left over and I dont know where they go or what they are for. In the first pic I have circled the black wires coming out of the ignition switch loom...but they dont come out the other side. What are these for?
In the last pic I have a pair of white wires that go under the carpet and into the gas pedal assembly, what are these? There is also some green and white wires with a plastic plug that come from the stock harness and I dont know what those are for. And lastly there is a pair of black wires that look like speaker wire that go into the firewall right below the antenna cable.
I was also looking at the push-button start how to and I cant seem to find the starter wires. The only thing that has a clear plastic connector like in the tutorial is the group of green/white wires pictured below.
http://photos.az350z.com/data/500/1185Black-Wires.jpg
http://photos.az350z.com/data/500/1185Wires.jpg
Please help me out guys. Im going crazy trying to get this thing running again.
sisith 03-11-2008, 11:41 PM bump, figured out where the white wires went when I pulled out the carpet...so much crap left over from a bad stereo install. Please help me identify the other wires please!
Layne 03-11-2008, 11:53 PM No idea really, but I can try to get some pics of the area this week.
I think the black wires might be the starter, check and see if they power up in the crank position with the key. There was a conector at the starter wire for the auto trans option to the trans. range switch, but if it was a man. trans car it was just a plug.
The green /white strip wires and the Blue with gray in the plastic conector are:
Gn./Wt. to fuse 14 used with auto trans for reverse lights from the range switch. Not used with manual trans. power supply though from the start run bus.
Blue with gray is insterment lights, so it's power is dimmed with the light switch.
Jeff
sisith 03-12-2008, 05:56 PM Thanks for the help. I dont think I will get power when I turn the key considering the back of the ignition switch fell off. So the black wires coming off the ignition switch are for the starter? What do I hook them up to? I also still dont know what the double black wires are that go through the firewall right beneath the antenna wire, the ones in pic 3.
Also, if the black wires are the starter wires, what do I connect them to? They are cut off right now, and I would really like to use the starter i the future =)
sisith 03-14-2008, 12:25 PM bump, trying to get back into this today. Any help on hooking up the starter wires would be appreciated.
sisith 03-17-2008, 04:05 PM Could someone take a picture of where those black wires coming out of the ignition switch harness go? I see them in Layne's push button guide but I cant see where they go. If you look at the back of the ignition switch, they are wires that connect up above where the fatter wires connect. Im still trying to figure out what these are. Also if someone can take a picture of where the starter plug goes I would appreciate it. Thanks
jrcook320 03-17-2008, 05:55 PM You are going to have to remove your ignition switch to put the plug back together. As already stated this requires using a dremal to grind flats on all the tamper proof bolts so you cna remove them. The bolts that need removed are pictured in my writeup. What you're likely going to find is that the plastic switch (the white cap that all the wires run to) retaining tabs are broken, which is why it came off the back of the lock cylinder. This happened to mine, I was able to put it back together and use packing tape to hold it to the lock cylinder, but it only lasted a short while before it failed.
Your options are to buy a new or used ignition switch and install it on the back of your old lock cylinder, or hotwire the car.
The white wires running though the firewall at the pedal box are not original, though they may be replacements for an important function. Where are they coming from and where do they go?
The double black wire in your 3rd pic is also not original.
The clear connector with the group of green/white wires should not have anything connected to it originally. The clear plug should clip on to empty bracket (visible in your 2nd pic) to the left of the pedal assembly. On that clear plug, one side is hot all the time, the other is hot when the ignition is on (I don't remember which). I am currently using this plug as a power source for my aftermarket gauges.
There SHOULD be a clear connector coming out of the wiring harness behind the plug location. This should have 2 seperate black wires coming out of it, one of which goes to the starter, the other which should run to the cold start injector.
sisith 03-17-2008, 06:11 PM Ok I bought some switches and plan to run the push button start. Thanks for letting me know what I dont need connected. So are you saying Layne that those two black wires are the starter wires? They go through the heat shrink wrap and come out near the ignition switch as different colored wires that dont connect to the plug that fell out.
Layne 03-17-2008, 07:29 PM I didn't say anything. I haven't dug into this area much, except to pull out all non original wires.
jrcook320 03-18-2008, 08:53 AM I'm Josh. Layne is... well, Layne.
If they weren't connected to the back of the switch then they're not the starter wires. Other things they could be is the horn, or part of the buzzer system. I haven't been in to mine there for several years now, I'm a little foggy.
sisith 03-18-2008, 04:19 PM Oh man im sorry josh, thanks for all your help. So the starter wire is one of the fat ones in the plug that fell off? Im kinda confused why your car has a separate plug that goes to the starter.
jrcook320 03-18-2008, 05:32 PM the starter wire should be a single small black wire coming out of the ignition switch harness. It should be connected to the back of the switch itself.
sisith 03-19-2008, 09:09 PM Well I got all the wiring figured out (well all thats needed to start the car), and I can get the car to run on starter fluid then it just dies when it runs out of the stuff. When I pull the fuel pump relay and put power to pin 87 I dont get a sound of any kind. When I put power to the pins right next to it I get a click. When I turn on the ignition I get a click from that area but no fuel pump buzzing. I then went under the car and jumped the + and - terminals and it didnt start up. So im thinking either a bad pump or the wiring got messed up somehow while I was driving and caused the car to shutdown. Are there any other tests I should to rule out a bad pump?
bionicbelly 03-19-2008, 11:54 PM you could always run 12v right to it.
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