Today on my way home from a friends house, i signal to make a left hand turn and there was a cop waiting to go right on the other side of the street. i slowed down, hit the blinker, and then did the hand wave to let him know he was free to go. he starts going and then slams on the brakes and pulls a u turn to pull me over. he starts asking questions like i stole the car or something like that. after about 15 questions of different ways of asking how i got the car he says i needed a front license plate on the car. I asked an officer that i know if he minds about front euro plates and he said, "Because it doesnt endanger anyone in anyway, i dont mind." The officer then followed me all the way home

How many people here have been pulled over for no front plate or a euro plate? Did the cop follow you back to your house?

age?

17

if i was a cop and saw a 17yr old driving an E39 540i/6..... id just think he has the greatest parents in the entire world :confused

Cops hassle teenagers. The lack of a real front plate was good enough to pull you over and ask some questions. That is just the way they are trained. Driving a car that looks expensive probably did not help you out either.

Savage217 got pulled over for no plate, when we were cruising.

I have my front plate on.

if i was a cop and saw a 17yr old driving an E39 540i/6..... id just think he has the greatest parents in the entire world :confused

I am paying them back.. lol


I also deliver Chinese food in it every Friday night. I park downtown in the loading zones usually next to cops and this is my first problem ever in 4 months..

what color is your plate, red or green. i think the green sets dont require a front

Not having a front plate is just reason to pulled over for stupid things like this and get busted for something else.

Its totally not worth giving cops a reason to pull you over and hassle you.

I usually don't have one, but I put it on for my inspection, and haven't tatken it back off yet. I'm waiting to get a license plate delete strip.

i have an e39 540i/6 and i have a euro plate on the front . so far i havent gotten pulled over for it. knock on wood. i am also 17y.o

what color is your plate, red or green. i think the green sets dont require a front

True but only because the green plates weren't issued in sets, rather just one, hence why only 1 is acceptable with the green, but all red plate are required 2.

I have both plates attached, bc I paid for them, so y not. It's a vanity....but on my miata, I only had 1 red plate, and was never pulled over in the 2.5 years til I totalled it. :(

...but thank god I did, bc otherwise I prob never would have stumbled into this religion. :D

I'm 19 years old and live in one of the shittier areas in Boston. I get hassled all the time for way dumber things then a missing front plate, so I keep my plate on because of it. I rock Euro plates front and back with my MA plates over them. :dunno I never got a ticket for it in my e36 but they did complain and threaten each time they pulled me over.

I vote you just throw one on so they have one less reason to give you shit. :dunno

Wow, sounds like an RI cop. Someone must have given him surprise buttsecks before that happened.

Savage217 got pulled over for no plate, when we were cruising.

I have my front plate on.

Thats not the first time Ive been pulled over for no front plate. I keep it in the back seat and say it fell off each time. Luckily the cops that pulled me over were nice enough to just give me a "ok but get that plate back on asap" :alright

I get pulled over all the time for dumb stuff.

Peter you jinxed yourself the other day when we were chatting about Europlates.

What a d bag i cant stand cops like that

My pops is a cop.

He likes bimmers.

I love lamp.

(Anchorman anyone?)

What a d bag i cant stand cops like that

Yeah, cops doing their job, enforcing a law that someone KNOWINGLY and ACTIVELY choose to break, what 'd bags'.

If you don't want to run a front plate, and then deal with the consequences, that's up to you. But don't blame cops for your choices.


Also, based on your comment, I'll take it you're likely too dense to understand why cops pull over people without front plates. I'd guess somewhere around half of the people they pull over for missing front plate end up having drugs/a warrant/or some other much more serious violation. Its basically a huge sign to cops saying, "hey come check me out and see if you can bust me for anything else!"

Yeah, cops doing their job, enforcing a law that someone KNOWINGLY and ACTIVELY choose to break, what 'd bags'.

If you don't want to run a front plate, and then deal with the consequences, that's up to you. But don't blame cops for your choices.


Also, based on your comment, I'll take it you're likely too dense to understand why cops pull over people without front plates. I'd guess somewhere around half of the people they pull over for missing front plate end up having drugs/a warrant/or some other much more serious violation. Its basically a huge sign to cops saying, "hey come check me out and see if you can bust me for anything else!"

:buttrock:redspot

Acouple of weeks ago I saw a e46 pulled over with two NH stateys searching it. The two boys did not look to happy about it.

They are just doing their job. They do not like pulling people over because it can be a risk to them. I know alot of officers that own BMWs.

when i owned my mustangs i would get pulled over on avg of 3 times a week for anything they could. (too lould, no front plate, bad sticker, speeding) got a bmw and i've driven briskly everywhere with out a front plate, Piaa ultra white bulbs in all my blinkers and never had 1 single problem. also its b/c your young, cops love to fu*k over the kids just b/c there an easy target.. yep i'm very bitter towards them.

Yeah, cops doing their job, enforcing a law that someone KNOWINGLY and ACTIVELY choose to break, what 'd bags'.

If you don't want to run a front plate, and then deal with the consequences, that's up to you. But don't blame cops for your choices.


Also, based on your comment, I'll take it you're likely too dense to understand why cops pull over people without front plates. I'd guess somewhere around half of the people they pull over for missing front plate end up having drugs/a warrant/or some other much more serious violation. Its basically a huge sign to cops saying, "hey come check me out and see if you can bust me for anything else!"
I totaly agree with you on this, the cop is just doing his job.. but you cant even say that they dont profile ppl. I'm living proof of this... Not to mention that i have a boston detective as a friend of mine who through casual convo has confurmed this.

Up here, no front plate is an instant fine (rather large too) and possibly some points but I'm not sure. They take it seriously though.

I ran around without a front plate for a month once and while I never got hassled for that I got pulled over constantly and yelled at for just about everything under the sun. I put my front plate back on and haven't been bugged about mundane shit since. I personally wouldn't have it any other way because I have a bad habit of driving too fast and I don't need any extra attention...

Yeah, cops doing their job, enforcing a law that someone KNOWINGLY and ACTIVELY choose to break, what 'd bags'.

If you don't want to run a front plate, and then deal with the consequences, that's up to you. But don't blame cops for your choices.


Also, based on your comment, I'll take it you're likely too dense to understand why cops pull over people without front plates. I'd guess somewhere around half of the people they pull over for missing front plate end up having drugs/a warrant/or some other much more serious violation. Its basically a huge sign to cops saying, "hey come check me out and see if you can bust me for anything else!"

I don't mind that part of it, it's the cop's dumbass attitude that bothered me.

Yeah, cops doing their job, enforcing a law that someone KNOWINGLY and ACTIVELY choose to break, what 'd bags'.

If you don't want to run a front plate, and then deal with the consequences, that's up to you. But don't blame cops for your choices.


Also, based on your comment, I'll take it you're likely too dense to understand why cops pull over people without front plates. I'd guess somewhere around half of the people they pull over for missing front plate end up having drugs/a warrant/or some other much more serious violation. Its basically a huge sign to cops saying, "hey come check me out and see if you can bust me for anything else!"

You are overlooking the most important reason why people are upset. "But don't blame cops for your choices." HOW DARE WE CHOOSE! The govn't just wants us to follow along like sheep. HOW DARE WE CONSIDER not having front plates.

Basically, your saying, we don't have a choice, do as they say! And well, that's just sad.

You are overlooking the most important reason why people are upset. "But don't blame cops for your choices." HOW DARE WE CHOOSE! The govn't just wants us to follow along like sheep. HOW DARE WE CONSIDER not having front plates.

Basically, your saying, we don't have a choice, do as they say! And well, that's just sad.
There's no choice here. You are issued two plates which you are to affix to the front and rear of your car. That is a law. Flout them at your own risk.

Yeah, cops doing their job, enforcing a law that someone KNOWINGLY and ACTIVELY choose to break, what 'd bags'.

If you don't want to run a front plate, and then deal with the consequences, that's up to you. But don't blame cops for your choices.


Also, based on your comment, I'll take it you're likely too dense to understand why cops pull over people without front plates. I'd guess somewhere around half of the people they pull over for missing front plate end up having drugs/a warrant/or some other much more serious violation. Its basically a huge sign to cops saying, "hey come check me out and see if you can bust me for anything else!"

Either you're too biased or you just rather be a member of www.officer.com (http://www.officer.com) forum.
The law, specially here in MA is not equally applied to every citizen; just the fact that some of them can drive a car without a front plate because they have the green ones is proof enough of it.
I don't mind green plates at all or the people that still have them, but it really pisses me of that many cops consider that an offense worth to pull you over.

Obviously, these people love - the same way we do- the CHOICE of not having a front plate, that's why they keep the green instead of switching over to the red ones.
If you take a look at these rear plates, many of them are indecipherables, so considering the fact that's the only one in the car, cops should be more concerned about those than pulling someone for not having the front red one. A little bit of common sense won't hurt.





You are overlooking the most important reason why people are upset. "But don't blame cops for your choices." HOW DARE WE CHOOSE! The govn't just wants us to follow along like sheep. HOW DARE WE CONSIDER not having front plates.

Basically, your saying, we don't have a choice, do as they say! And well, that's just sad.

+1

There's no choice here. You are issued two plates which you are to affix to the front and rear of your car. That is a law. Flout them at your own risk.

That's the whole point...why some people have the choice and some others don't. I guess nobody would say anything if everybody had to have two plates.

It is a matter of pragmatism.

Green plates, as we all know, are being phased out. You cannot get new green plates. However, because the state did not want the additional burden of manufacturing new red plates or passing the burden of vehicle registration fees to people who already have green plates to re-register and obtain red plates front and back, they decided to grandfather the people with green plates.

It isn't a matter of CHOICE. You either HAVE green plates or you DON'T. Grousing that you don't have green plates but want to follow laws that apply only to green plates will only cause you grief.

It is a matter of pragmatism.

Green plates, as we all know, are being phased out. You cannot get new green plates. However, because the state did not want the additional burden of manufacturing new red plates or passing the burden of vehicle registration fees to people who already have green plates to re-register and obtain red plates front and back, they decided to grandfather the people with green plates.

It isn't a matter of CHOICE. You either HAVE green plates or you DON'T. Grousing that you don't have green plates but want to follow laws that apply only to green plates will only cause you grief.

I understand your point, not grieving at all.
My point is -again- Why is that we have to have to laws that apply only to greens? Is like having laws that apply only to whites, or blacks?:devillook are you following?
Just my opinon.

You want a choice? Write your state politcal leaders.

The cop also has no choice in making the laws he is paid to enforce.

But of course there is profiling. But its perfectly legal, because you gave him a reason to profile you. A 60 year old couple driving around without a front plate, and a 17 year old with a backwards hat on. Hmmm tough choice who to pull over and check for warrants/drugs/etc. But its perfectly legal because the initial stop was completely legitimate.

Don't want to be legally profiled?? Follow the law.

If not (and I'm by no means saying I always do), just be prepared to face the concequences and deal with it.

Is like having laws that apply only to whites, or blacks?
No, it's like the Massachusetts Driver's License.

Years ago, before they went to a vertically oriented license for people under 21 and horizontal for over 21, they just had the same horizontally oriented license for <21, except it said in big red letters, UNDER 21 UNTIL <BIRTHDATE>.

The state did not require people under 21 to turn in their licenses when they went to the new format. Instead, they waited until the licenses expired, then issued new licenses.

But of course there is profiling. But its perfectly legal, because you gave him a reason to profile you. A 60 year old couple driving around without a front plate, and a 17 year old with a backwards hat on. Hmmm tough choice who to pull over and check for warrants/drugs/etc. But its perfectly legal because the initial stop was completely legitimate.

Don't want to be legally profiled?? Follow the law.



There is a fine line between profiling, stereotyping, and discrimination. In fact, the fine line in my opinion is often indecipherable.

In your example above I think you can easily interchange pofiling and discrimination and therefore BOTH cars should be pulled over. BOTH vehicles should follow the law. PERIOD. And if BOTH vehicles choose not to then BOTH should get tickets.

We are all too young to know what happened with the civil rights movement and truly understand what it was like to be pulled over for NO reason other than that of the color of one's skin, and luckily we live in an area of the country where we are not being pulled over because we may look middle eastern (yes this happens, as does being pulled over for the color of one's skin still happens in certain areas of the country).

But in the absence of such blatant discrimination there is milder forms of it, like what you say above with your example, that you may think is "profiling" but I would venture to say that is an ignorant word for it (using ignorant in it's actual meaning and not as a dig).

There is a fine line between profiling, stereotyping, and discrimination. In fact, the fine line in my opinion is often indecipherable.

In your example above I think you can easily interchange pofiling and discrimination and therefore BOTH cars should be pulled over. BOTH vehicles should follow the law. PERIOD. And if BOTH vehicles choose not to then BOTH should get tickets.

We are all too young to know what happened with the civil rights movement and truly understand what it was like to be pulled over for NO reason other than that of the color of one's skin, and luckily we live in an area of the country where we are not being pulled over because we may look middle eastern (yes this happens, as does being pulled over for the color of one's skin still happens in certain areas of the country).

But in the absence of such blatant discrimination there is milder forms of it, like what you say above with your example, that you may think is "profiling" but I would venture to say that is an ignorant word for it (using ignorant in it's actual meaning and not as a dig).

Well, profiling is a touchy subject because it makes sense in terms of odds.

For example, everytime I see an old lady being wanded at the airport security checkpoint, I am reminded, that some profiling should be done. I mean seriously, we know we are wasting time wanding an old lady while the terrorist dude goes by.

You should have said you stole the car pete, from the dealer that gave you such a kick ass price.

I my self have never gotten and hassle for no fromt plate, been about 6 months.

im to scared to run without one, got pulled over for it once, he just said he ran the plates and didn't come up as stolen and i gave him a story how it fell off and i got let off

You want a choice? Write your state politcal leaders.

The cop also has no choice in making the laws he is paid to enforce.

But of course there is profiling. But its perfectly legal, because you gave him a reason to profile you. A 60 year old couple driving around without a front plate, and a 17 year old with a backwards hat on. Hmmm tough choice who to pull over and check for warrants/drugs/etc. But its perfectly legal because the initial stop was completely legitimate.

Don't want to be legally profiled?? Follow the law.

If not (and I'm by no means saying I always do), just be prepared to face the concequences and deal with it.


Without giving you more info, I know that what you call "profiling" is BS, is just the legal way to say "I have an excuse for not having an excuse"

I don't know what do you do for living, but without disrespecting you, I think you need more hours at a courthouse talking to the right people, and I'm including cops for that matter. I'm a little older than you and it just happen that what I do for living is closely related to the matter being discussed here.
And I also have my own opinion about it.

There is a fine line between profiling, stereotyping, and discrimination. In fact, the fine line in my opinion is often indecipherable.

In your example above I think you can easily interchange pofiling and discrimination and therefore BOTH cars should be pulled over. BOTH vehicles should follow the law. PERIOD. And if BOTH vehicles choose not to then BOTH should get tickets.

We are all too young to know what happened with the civil rights movement and truly understand what it was like to be pulled over for NO reason other than that of the color of one's skin, and luckily we live in an area of the country where we are not being pulled over because we may look middle eastern (yes this happens, as does being pulled over for the color of one's skin still happens in certain areas of the country).

But in the absence of such blatant discrimination there is milder forms of it, like what you say above with your example, that you may think is "profiling" but I would venture to say that is an ignorant word for it (using ignorant in it's actual meaning and not as a dig).

+1

One thing that i learned today that i fine very funny and ironic is that the chief of polices' e46 m3 does not have a front plate...

And yes, it is a red plate

One thing that i learned today that i fine very funny and ironic is that the chief of polices' e46 m3 does not have a front plate...

And yes, it is a red plate

definitely ironic, and definitely something you should document (via pictures) in case you get pulled over in that chief's town. I would expect that if you were ticketed for not having a front plate and then went to the police station with a couple pics and asked the chief (in a NICE way) why it is ok for him and not for you he may let you off the ticket.

However, this won't help you in a court or another town as again, you are supposed to have 2 plates as should the chief.

I've already been pulled over twice and starred down by every cop that drives by. Anyone want to guess? Yep, I'm 17 too. One said he was giving me a warning for 'spirited driving' (I guess accelerating 'quicker than normal', while still remaining below the speed limit, is 'illegal'), and the second one asked me to turn my fogs off while in towns/cities (I thought this only applied to large metropolitan ones such as Boston, but either way, lesson learned, no hard feelings).

i service a few officer's of the law personal vehicles. This is no lie when i say this and is not intended to start a war but cops do not follow the law.
for example. officers personal vehicle, no inspection sticker, red plates front one on but covered by a leather bra. I asked how come you don't have a sticker? he said "Me? ha i don't need one." Then i asked " well what about your plate being covered?" again "i can have it like that"
I have even been bartered with confiscated items such as Cuban cigars, switchblades, cellphones, for work at a discounted rate.


I have written to the state in regards to driving violations and some of their consequences. in almost all cases I've been told that if you are a person that receives a violation that effects you more severely than another (mine being working at a dealer could lose my job) than i need to hire a lawyer. Money can buy you out of just about any ticket you get, and i would much rather give money to someone on my side than this state.
NEOT > anywhere else ever. no questions. but this state is just whacked with there driving laws and fines. :(

I've already been pulled over twice and starred down by every cop that drives by. Anyone want to guess? Yep, I'm 17 too. One said he was giving me a warning for 'spirited driving' (I guess accelerating 'quicker than normal', while still remaining below the speed limit, is 'illegal'), and the second one asked me to turn my fogs off while in towns/cities (I thought this only applied to large metropolitan ones such as Boston, but either way, lesson learned, no hard feelings).

why cant you drive with your fog lights on?

why cant you drive with your fog lights on?

Photon pollution. :shifty

^ lol

Im just gunna wait until i see the chief again and then try and get the okay from him to put my euro plate on. I will also snap a quick picture of the front of his car and keep that with me (im not very worried about other cities).

^ lol

Im just gunna wait until i see the chief again and then try and get the okay from him to put my euro plate on. I will also snap a quick picture of the front of his car and keep that with me (im not very worried about other cities).
ya i've found that if you smooz with the law they love it. i've left out in my bitter rants the few times i've been given the blind eye by the "law". If your one of the lucky few to have "in" with the cops go for it, i've gotten a on duty cop drunk, given business cards to give to other cops as "get out of jail free cards" if need be. I just got Fed over when i was younger so i'm bitter, just play your cards right boy and you'll be able to run a euro plate if you want.
friend in FL runs on his eclipse "FU CPR" bet you can guess his friends are officers.

this thread is a fucking curse I answered the poll and today for the first time I got pulled over for no front plate

this thread is a fucking curse I answered the poll and today for the first time I got pulled over for no front plate

Did you remember to knock on wood?

Did you remember to knock on wood?
No but it said knock on wood I thought that counted :dunno

No but it said knock on wood I thought that counted :dunno

:lol

Did you get a ticket?

:lol

Did you get a ticket?
No :D I don't get tickets in E.Providence

Fog lights are supposed to be turned off in cities because I guess because of the way they are angled, they more easily blind oncoming traffic .. who knows, it's not like there isn't oncoming traffic in any other areas.

Cops were insane in/around Providence tonight!

does anybody know if the states give cities a certain quota to meet for the police? i have seen way more police activity recently in mass.

Yeah they do. It's on a biweekly basis to my understanding, hence why the cops always seem to be out more and pulling more people over near mid month and end of the month.......but I'm sure it's just coincidence, that all the violations happen around that time of month, not just trying to meet quotas.

Cops were insane in/around Providence tonight!

yeah dude they really were. they were everywhere

yeah dude they really were. they were everywhere

There was a van that rolled over on 295-S near exit 6, I had to use the connector to get by, the cops shut down the main part of the highway. There were half a dozen cops there, which is why I'm so surprised that I saw that many elsewhere. I followed one getting onto 295-S at exit 8, saw a couple with a guy pulled over on route 5 just north of route 6, and saw a couple others in Johnston on 5, 6, and 295.

yeah its been wierd because usually there arent that many cops on 295 usually thers like one mabe 2 most of the time theres none. i havent seen many on 95 lately tho

There's often one underneath that overpass between exits 7 and 8 on 295-N, but yeah, I usually only see them going from exit 8 to 7 on 295-S, returning to the barracks in Smithfield.

are you going to be out at all today? if so where you heading mabe i will see you

I'm at work right now.

Yeah, cops doing their job, enforcing a law that someone KNOWINGLY and ACTIVELY choose to break, what 'd bags'.

If you don't want to run a front plate, and then deal with the consequences, that's up to you. But don't blame cops for your choices.


Also, based on your comment, I'll take it you're likely too dense to understand why cops pull over people without front plates. I'd guess somewhere around half of the people they pull over for missing front plate end up having drugs/a warrant/or some other much more serious violation. Its basically a huge sign to cops saying, "hey come check me out and see if you can bust me for anything else!"

Sorry that seemed to get you so upset. I was just simply implying how i cant stand it when cops profile and pull you over for the dumbest things. Does having a euro plate hurt anyone no, does it mean your going too fast no. I feel as though cops see nice cars and figure ohh lets Fu^& with that rich a hole he can afford the ticket. And i know 90% of cops aren't like that it just happens to be the ones that pull me over when i am doing absolutely nothing wrong. And for your information i do run a front plate i try to abide by every law that the state requires for my vehicle.

I got pulled over last night for no front plate and tinted rear plate by a statie. I was coming home from a corner store and I was in a hurry. I left food cooking on the bbq grill. The statie came out of no where, I thought I was speeding, but hard to do when my house is only two blocks away.

He pulled me over, literally two feet from my driveway. He was cool, just took a quick look at my license and that was it. I said my plate was in the trunk and he said "OK".

I've been getting away with a ton of violations lately. This is probably balancing out when I did get tickets in my earlier driving years. :buttrock

I got pulled over again last night by a statie!! This time on RT18 going home from a restaurant with my kids.

He told me my plate cover is too dark and asked about the front plate. He let me go too without any ticket.

I need to yank off the plate cover today, but the front plate will remain off. I am such a badass. :devillook

wow^ you have bad luck..

I had a cop threaten to tow my car from outside my house once because it had no plates at all and the california temp which is a small piece of page about the size of two business cards taped length wise attached to the front windshield. He told me that isn't good enough and that he was going to tow my car if he sees it outside, because according to Rhode Island law there needs to be a temporary plate and what I told him doesn't make any sense. I told him I'm not getting a temporary plate from Rhode Island because I don't plane on registering it here because I'm doing my graduate work here and plan to pay my taxes to the great state of california he said told me to go do my business inside the store which I parked in front of post office and see if my car would still be there before he had the right to tow it.

I couldn't really believe this guy was trying to be a hard ass. I told him to feel free to tow it if he wanted to be he would be responsible and more than likely have to explain to his watch commander why he towed a car for improper registration to a car which was properly registered in another state.

He finally decided to let me go but told me I needed to get a Rhode Island plate because he will tow it next time he sees it. I told him I don't plan on parking my car on the street during the day and he could tow it if he felt like it.

Typical Rhode Island cops.

In Maine at night, I "accidentally" drifted out of a no-left hand turn gas station (otherwise I would have to go the other way a mile and turn around), as a cop was pulling in, he turned around pulled me over. He noticed no front plate, smoked cover over the rear plate, no inspection, pulling out of a no-left turn exit, and reckless driving. He said since I already had "reckless driving" (speeding) on my license he'd just give me a warning for that and a ticket for no inspection, even tho I was coming from college in NY to get the car inspected where it was registered, eerr ....but I just went with it :P

I had a cop threaten to tow my car from outside my house once because it had no plates at all and the california temp which is a small piece of page about the size of two business cards taped length wise attached to the front windshield. He told me that isn't good enough and that he was going to tow my car if he sees it outside, because according to Rhode Island law there needs to be a temporary plate and what I told him doesn't make any sense. I told him I'm not getting a temporary plate from Rhode Island because I don't plane on registering it here because I'm doing my graduate work here and plan to pay my taxes to the great state of california he said told me to go do my business inside the store which I parked in front of post office and see if my car would still be there before he had the right to tow it.

I couldn't really believe this guy was trying to be a hard ass. I told him to feel free to tow it if he wanted to be he would be responsible and more than likely have to explain to his watch commander why he towed a car for improper registration to a car which was properly registered in another state.

He finally decided to let me go but told me I needed to get a Rhode Island plate because he will tow it next time he sees it. I told him I don't plan on parking my car on the street during the day and he could tow it if he felt like it.

Typical Rhode Island cops.

That's so funny. I've heard of that before. My parents had a car that was bought in CA and of course it had no plates which is the custom in CA. The cop had no idea what he was talking about and he thought he had busted someone for driving without plates which was obviously making his day. It took the longest time to convince him that CA does that, and it's legal.

Yeah it pissed me off so much I called the State police etc to see and even let them know finally talked to a buddy who was an attorney he told me to let them tow it if they want and everything will be A ok!

I just picked up my car Friday and told the dealer to hold off on putting the front plate bracket on. I am planning to get a veteran's plate in the hopes that some LEO's won't know whether such plates require a front plate or not, or even if they do, they may cut me a break.

But I do not want to get any more points on my license. If one wants to push it and I can't talk my way out of it, does anyone know if it is just a fine, or if it puts points one your driving record?