Me: 4.11 differential, UUC lightweight flywheel, dinan TB, AA Cold air, custom exhaust, shark injector

camero: WORKED


i was at a light on the way to class the other morning and a mexican dude pulls up next to me in a 2002 looking camero SS. It has a MEAN exhaust system and what sounded like a lot of work, probably cams, etc. (typical LS1 mods) He looked over at me and he was smoking the fattest cigar, EVER.

First of all who smokes cigars at 7:45AM? He put on his gangster face and slammed on the gas when the light turned green, I did the same.

you can guess the outcome of this race. or i could tell you.

ill just let you guess.

You won? :)

Wow.

First time I hear of a mexican tastefully modding a car.

(I'm mexican)

lol im laughing picturing this guy with that big stogie in his mouth at 7:45 am . was he sippin on a rye and coke too lol . as far as the race went u will 4:11 lsd if u got traction im sure u hung in with him for 2 gears .

I am sure after 2nd you pulled 5 car lengths :rolleyes

What kinda mpg are you getting with that dif?

I'll race you from a 120 roll.

Me: 4.11 differential, UUC lightweight flywheel, dinan TB, AA Cold air, custom exhaust, shark injector

camero: WORKED


i was at a light on the way to class the other morning and a mexican dude pulls up next to me in a 2002 looking camero SS. It has a MEAN exhaust system and what sounded like a lot of work, probably cams, etc. (typical LS1 mods) He looked over at me and he was smoking the fattest cigar, EVER.

First of all who smokes cigars at 7:45AM? He put on his gangster face and slammed on the gas when the light turned green, I did the same.

you can guess the outcome of this race. or i could tell you.

ill just let you guess.



Ummm, its spelled Camaro....

and, there was no way in hell it was cammed or probably had anything other than exhaust.

Cammed 2000-2002 LS1's put down almost 400whp with no other mods at all.

Soooo, we have a couple options here....

A. He sucked shit at driving
B. You're full of shit
C. You have the most amazing S52 ever
D. He just had exhaust
E. All of the above



Stock autotragic LS1 Camaros have been known to run 13.1-13.3 in the 1/4 on a good day. A 6 speed would have pwnd you as well.

I'll race you from a 120 roll.


:rofl:

I'll race you from a 120 roll.

I'll race you from any roll you'd like:devillook

I'll race you from any roll you'd like:devillook

El es Juan on El es Juan action? Isn't that incest? :shifty

Considering you have no real mods that add any real power..T.B...no gains
A.A intake..no gains all sound
custom exhaust...little gains, lots of torque loss unless done properly
shark...little mid range gains and up top gains w/i/e ONLY

i'd assume that he walked you. Also you car what only does like 40 in second? You had to row through 2 gears by the time you were speeding so I'm sure he pulled hard

El es Juan on El es Juan action? Isn't that incest? :shifty

Only if we have mullets while driving :shifty

ya a NA bolt on E36 is generally not going to be any kind of match for a LS1 F-body.

Ummm, its spelled Camaro....

and, there was no way in hell it was cammed or probably had anything other than exhaust.

Cammed 2000-2002 LS1's put down almost 400whp with no other mods at all.

Soooo, we have a couple options here....

A. He sucked shit at driving
B. You're full of shit
C. You have the most amazing S52 ever
D. He just had exhaust
E. All of the above



Stock autotragic LS1 Camaros have been known to run 13.1-13.3 in the 1/4 on a good day. A 6 speed would have pwnd you as well.


i lost.

you're a dumbass.

pwned.

I am sure after 2nd you pulled 5 car lengths :rolleyes

What kinda mpg are you getting with that dif?


mpg is the same, as long as you dont drive high speed.

gettin rid of the diff, anybody has a 3.55 and wants to trade, PM me.

i lost.

you're a dumbass.

pwned.


Ah, when I originally read your post I read the line where you said "camero: WORKED" and I understood that to mean that you "worked" the Camaro over....

Looking back at it now I see that you meant the Camaro had a lot done to it....

Ah, when I originally read your post I read the line where you said "camero: WORKED" and I understood that to mean that you "worked" the Camaro over....

Looking back at it now I see that you meant the Camaro had a lot done to it....


there you go.

...yeah...I was gonna post in the OP's defense and your obvious lack of reading comprehension....but it all got worked out lol. I have totally driven around at 7am smoking a fat cigar...albeit after a night working in a warehouse, and back when I smoked a lot of cigars anyways. No better way to wind down from the night shift than a decent cigar on the ride home.

4.11's! i thought i was crazy for 3.73's! dam! 4k at 60mph i would guess

4.11's! i thought i was crazy for 3.73's! dam! 4k at 60mph i would guess

4k at 80

Wow I wouldn't be able to stand that. I drive 150 miles on the fereeway 2-3 times a week!

22mpg...80mph... 2000rpm...

4k at 80

There's no way you're only turning 4K @ 80mph with a 4.11.

When I had my 95 M3 5spd, I installed a 3.38 and was turning 3700 or so at 80mph. With your 4.11, you're probably closing in on 5K @ 80mph, maybe more with a 5spd tranny.

The only explanation would be if you have a 6spd with those 4.11's ..

and to think I get upset at being near 2K at 80mph...

and to think I get upset at being near 2K at 80mph...

I wish. :(


I thinki'm at 3500 in 5th, I'll have to check this afternoon on the way home. I can't remember. :az

and to think I get upset at being near 2K at 80mph...


I'm at about 2300 with my 3.73s

There's no way you're only turning 4K @ 80mph with a 4.11.

When I had my 95 M3 5spd, I installed a 3.38 and was turning 3700 or so at 80mph. With your 4.11, you're probably closing in on 5K @ 80mph, maybe more with a 5spd tranny.

The only explanation would be if you have a 6spd with those 4.11's ..


http://diffsonline.com/techinfo/index.shtml


look it up buddy. you're wrong.

you're telling the guy with the 4.11 diff that he doesnt know what rpm he's at? and the guy without the 4.11 diff does know?

you didnt enter it right.

its about 4100

you didnt enter it right.

its about 4100

:rofl

Yeah, I realized that - I didn't change the tire/diameter size.

Hmm, now I'm beginning to wonder if I had something higher than a 3.38 installed ... interesting. Maybe I had a 3.73's? :devillook


Nice chart, by the way.

My 4.10's put me at around 2500 rpm at 80 mph.....

I still get 28 mpg on the freeway

:rofl

Yeah, I realized that - I didn't change the tire/diameter size.

Hmm, now I'm beginning to wonder if I had something higher than a 3.38 installed ... interesting. Maybe I had a 3.73's? :devillook


Nice chart, by the way.

on the way to work today:

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h82/nik1703/get-attachmentaspx.jpg

I am stoked to have just gotten my eta to 0-60 with only a first to second shift now! lol....cruising at 80...no clue. All of my driving is city, so usually the only times I see 80 is as I pass it on my way to 100+. I stil haven't seen firsthand what she tops at now. I know my 3rd will push me up to right at 100...but I also know 4th and 5th gear are close together, so I don't have flights of fancy that my top speed is much higher lol.

My 4.10's put me at around 2500 rpm at 80 mph.....

I still get 28 mpg on the freeway

I lied....

I looked tonight and I'm at 2000 rpm at 80 mph.

That isn't bad at all

That isn't bad at all

4.10 gears + T56 6 speed ftw....

Made a 4 hour trip over to eastern washington last summer and with the A/C cranked the whole way I averaged 28 mpg....

Not quite sure how GM did it but LS1 Camaros are capable of excellent gas mileage when not driven hard.

Not quite sure how GM did it but LS1 Camaros are capable of excellent gas mileage when not driven hard.

It's an efficient engine. It's not overstressed to make its power.

hahahaha...
My 91 S-10 can idle it's way up to 37mph with 0 gas pedal if you just feather the clutch and run it through the gears as it tops rolling in each. I never did it for more than 30 minutes or so to show someone how funny it was, but I'd imagine in a flat area, much like Plano is where it spends most of its driving, I could pull a solid 80mpg or more like that. Probably more, I doubt it burns gas that fast at idle.

there's no way thats a normal idle...i bet you lose a gallon at every stop light. (not literally, but you get the point)

the new Z06... 505HP.. gets 27mpg highway.

ridiculous.

checked today i have 3.73's with the //M ZF swap in my 325 and im at 4k at 75mph. no way you do 80 with 4.11 unless its auto. i saw the pic but i still cant believe!

It's an efficient engine. It's not overstressed to make its power.


I'd love to see an LS1 spin 3500rpm and get 29mpg.

NIK what size tires are you running?

This reminds me of the time when I killed a Camero SS a few years ago with my 98 turbocharged Prelude. Yes... he was obviously racing since he initiated it. He saw my intercooler and hear the BOV when I cruised past him before we raced.

I'd love to see an LS1 spin 3500rpm and get 29mpg.

3500 RPM is about 140 for me

No e36m3 without FI is competition for a V8 camaro. My LT1 Z28 demolishes e36m3s, it's not even close to a race, and my car is a measly 285hp stock (probably underrated). By the end of 1st (45-50mph) I am usually 2-3cl ahead and it only gets worse from then on.


Racing an e36m3 is like racing a v6 camry, you can do it but it's not really gratifying even if you win.

My 4.10's put me at around 2500 rpm at 80 mph.....

I still get 28 mpg on the freeway

Are the LS1 SS Camaros geared differently than the Z28s? My 97' Z28 is a 6spd, but in 6th it's at 1800rpm @80mph. 5th gear is probably around 2500, maybe more. On the highway I get 25mpg going 80-90mph. City is much much much worse, closer to 15mpg.

you're telling the guy with the 4.11 diff that he doesnt know what rpm he's at? and the guy without the 4.11 diff does know?

I'm going to safely say you don't know unless you're running some ridiculous tires and/or you're an auto.

You are not at 4K @ 80 with a 4.11 on a 5spd unless one or both of the above statements are true - because either one drastically changes your RPM.



Are you auto? What tires are you running?

Are the LS1 SS Camaros geared differently than the Z28s? My 97' Z28 is a 6spd, but in 6th it's at 1800rpm @80mph. 5th gear is probably around 2500, maybe more. On the highway I get 25mpg going 80-90mph. City is much much much worse, closer to 15mpg.

All M6 (T56 LS1 F-Bodys are 3.42 geared)...so we all sit at 1800rpm @ 80mph. :) Only year with T56 that is different is in 93... different internal ratios and the rear gear was a 2.73 or something I believe.

I'll race you from a 120 roll.

:lol. Afraid of big bad 4.10 from a roll are you?:nono

That sounds about right as far as the 80mph at 4k. The stock 4.10 in my car makes the engine turn right at 4000rpm between 80 and 85mph.

4:10s + high speeds...haha..

you have to love it when someone lowers there top end sustantially while reducing there ability to hookup 99% of the time. I would rather just add HP than screw with either...

i lost.

you're a dumbass.

pwned.

Let me say hello to all as I make my first post here.

I think the outcome sounds reasonable.

No e36m3 without FI is competition for a V8 camaro. My LT1 Z28 demolishes e36m3s, it's not even close to a race, and my car is a measly 285hp stock (probably underrated). By the end of 1st (45-50mph) I am usually 2-3cl ahead and it only gets worse from then on.


Racing an e36m3 is like racing a v6 camry, you can do it but it's not really gratifying even if you win.im not sure which e36 m3's u are racing but u would not be ahead of me by 3 cl after 1st gear . run against one with cams and all the bolt on's with 3:91 gears and u will lose .

Let me say hello to all as I make my first post here.

I think the outcome sounds reasonable.

:wave welcome to the boards. 04 Cobra eh? Nice to have some more stang members in here.

I saw a Sonic Blue (if the colour exist) 335i with Black rims and a new exhaust. I was eager to run him, but we just missed each other. :)

probably laguna seca blue

im not sure which e36 m3's u are racing but u would not be ahead of me by 3 cl after 1st gear . run against one with cams and all the bolt on's with 3:91 gears and u will lose .

I can assure you that with equal modifications, and your 3.91 and an F-body 3.42 you will NOT beat an F-body. For that matter I'd put an F-body with decent gearing and fat sticky tires against anything but an LT1/LT4 Vette. My autocross Camaro was .040 overbore/TB/CAI/Headers/short custom exhuast/custom tune/balanced/milled heads, and a couple other things. BUT stock cam and valvetrain, and stock type pistons (meaning no big compression ratio changes). With a 3.05 first and a 3.42 rear there is only one autocross car in the country that could pull it in first gear. And that one made over 200lbs of TQ at idle.

I can assure you that with equal modifications, and your 3.91 and an F-body 3.42 you will NOT beat an F-body. For that matter I'd put an F-body with decent gearing and fat sticky tires against anything but an LT1/LT4 Vette. My autocross Camaro was .040 overbore/TB/CAI/Headers/short custom exhuast/custom tune/balanced/milled heads, and a couple other things. BUT stock cam and valvetrain, and stock type pistons (meaning no big compression ratio changes). With a 3.05 first and a 3.42 rear there is only one autocross car in the country that could pulit in first gear. And that one made over 200lbs of TQ at idle.if u look at the post that i was quoting on he said only a FI M3 could keep up with a stock z28 . i simply added that a modded NA M3 could beat a stock z28 . i agree that a modded z28 would have no problem with a modded NA M3

Even a N/A but modded US M3 isn't going to stand a chance against a stock F-body. As long as it has sticky tires...........

My F-body had unworldly amounts of TQ.

But then again a FI BMW can have the same power alot less weight and much better handling..................

No e36m3 without FI is competition for a V8 camaro. My LT1 Z28 demolishes e36m3s, it's not even close to a race, and my car is a measly 285hp stock (probably underrated). By the end of 1st (45-50mph) I am usually 2-3cl ahead and it only gets worse from then on.


Racing an e36m3 is like racing a v6 camry, you can do it but it's not really gratifying even if you win.

If you are ever in the bay area I'll race you for fun :D

If you are ever in the bay area I'll race you for fun :D

i'm in the bay area...

what year was it that the cameros were fast ? it wasnt 97 or I would have kept my z28

probably laguna seca blue

naw, LSB isn't really under the category of sonic blue.

I'd say most likely an estoril or something closer to that.

:lol. Afraid of big bad 4.10 from a roll are you?:nono
.

No, I am not.

I'm just saying that's hitting the start of my 5th gear powerband. :embarrasm

what year was it that the cameros were fast ? it wasnt 97 or I would have kept my z28


It depends on the vehicle.
There are stock mid 13 sec LT1 cars, and stock High 13 LS1 cars. I've seen a stock LS1 that cut 8.2s on factory tires. That's roughly a 12.8 1/4 mi.

im not sure which e36 m3's u are racing but u would not be ahead of me by 3 cl after 1st gear . run against one with cams and all the bolt on's with 3:91 gears and u will lose .

Yet very few Fbodies are stock in that condition.

I've seen plenty of run of the mill Fbodies that will crush a cammed M3.

im not sure which e36 m3's u are racing but u would not be ahead of me by 3 cl after 1st gear . run against one with cams and all the bolt on's with 3:91 gears and u will lose .

ORLY?


So e36 with gears and cams run mid-low 13s @ 104+?


Because that's what I ran before I got exhaust. I've raced 3 e46m3s and lost twice, but only by 2cl each time and I was ahead until 90mph, and the race ended at 140.


I have to say my LT1 is not your average LT1 camaro, it is the last year they used that engine (97) and it only has 35k miles on it.

Wow I wouldn't be able to stand that. I drive 150 miles on the fereeway 2-3 times a week!

22mpg...80mph... 2000rpm...

yeah, ok

ORLY?
So e36 with gears and cams run mid-low 13s @ 104+?

Because that's what I ran before I got exhaust. I've raced 3 e46m3s and lost twice, but only by 2cl each time and I was ahead until 90mph, and the race ended at 140.
I have to say my LT1 is not your average LT1 camaro, it is the last year they used that engine (97) and it only has 35k miles on it.

That sounds about like how my buddies bolt on LT1 runs.

:rofl

Yeah, I realized that - I didn't change the tire/diameter size.

Hmm, now I'm beginning to wonder if I had something higher than a 3.38 installed ... interesting. Maybe I had a 3.73's? :devillook


Nice chart, by the way.
My 3.38 in my 97 M was at like 3850 at 80mph, you had a 338.

ORLY?


So e36 with gears and cams run mid-low 13s @ 104+?


Because that's what I ran before I got exhaust. I've raced 3 e46m3s and lost twice, but only by 2cl each time and I was ahead until 90mph, and the race ended at 140.


I have to say my LT1 is not your average LT1 camaro, it is the last year they used that engine (97) and it only has 35k miles on it.m3chaser ran mid 13's with his 95 M3 with 3:91 gears and that was without the afermarket cams . bsaint has run low 13's . ya a full bolt on M3 with cams and gears will beat a stock z28 .

m3chaser ran mid 13's with his 95 M3 with 3:91 gears and that was without the afermarket cams . bsaint has run low 13's . ya a full bolt on M3 with cams and gears will beat a stock z28 .

I don't believe anything Bsaint posts.

I can believe a well done cammed S52 can run a mid 13 on good tires with short gears.

200rwhp or more enough to start playing with them in a E30?

I don't believe anything Bsaint posts.

I can believe a well done cammed S52 can run a mid 13 on good tires with short gears.

yeah bsaint I would tkae with a grain of salt.

m3chaser, I can believe his times.

ORLY?


So e36 with gears and cams run mid-low 13s @ 104+?


Because that's what I ran before I got exhaust. I've raced 3 e46m3s and lost twice, but only by 2cl each time and I was ahead until 90mph, and the race ended at 140.


I have to say my LT1 is not your average LT1 camaro, it is the last year they used that engine (97) and it only has 35k miles on it.


My 1995 Z28 Lt1 was an Auto with 3.23s and at the track for the first time in my life on my first pass (at age 18) I cut a 2.1 60ft and ran 14.1 @ 97mph... backed it up with several more 14.1 ~ 14.2 passes.... a week later the trans had to be rebuilt because the clutch face on the 3rd gear disc was completely gone (this is why you buy new..haha).. Given my crap driving skill, the fact that it was mid june (high humidity here) and not even counting the 'who knows what was going on' scenario with the trans, even that poor car was a high 13 second car in good air with someone who could drive it. (100% confident of that)

LS1's are crazzzyyy! He bought it so he could say "I got an LSJUANNNN!"

My buddy has the iron block truck LS1 6.0, and he has 190k on it. Nothing changed...not even a water pump! Ready for the crazy part? He takes it to the track, and has ran a 150 shot on it for the last 90-100k miles! It is so funny to see a pick up with a construction tool box on it blow the doors off hondas!

4:10s + high speeds...haha..

you have to love it when someone lowers there top end sustantially while reducing there ability to hookup 99% of the time. I would rather just add HP than screw with either...

It's all about personal preference....

My car redlines in 5th gear at 155mph and I still have 6th gear left.

I drove a stock geared LS1 and one with 4.10's before I bought one....

I liked the 4.10 geared one more.

340whp/355wtq going through a T56 to 4.10 gears makes for a pretty fun car.

It's all about personal preference....

My car redlines in 5th gear at 155mph and I still have 6th gear left.

I drove a stock geared LS1 and one with 4.10's before I bought one....

I liked the 4.10 geared one more.

340whp/355wtq going through a T56 to 4.10 gears makes for a pretty fun car.

My buddy just put 4.10s in his 400whp car.

That put him at 800$ in mods. :embarrasm

My buddy just put 4.10s in his 400whp car.

That put him at 800$ in mods. :embarrasm

Yeah, I got deals on all of my stuff....

Traded some new OEM floormats and $150 for my Hiflow cats, y-pipe, and catback....$70 for my MTi lid.....The car came with the gears and tune so I didn't really pay for those.....The floormats I traded were also included with the car.

So basically after the purchase price of the car I've only invested $220 in mods.

A cam would put me up to about $800 and I'd be identical to your buddies car.....400+ whp through 4.10 gears.

I'm getting tired of rockin the domestic sled though and am probably gonna put it up for sale....

You know that I don't keep cars from long after all the for sale threads you saw on TDF.

Had this one for 7 months now....Time to get rid of it:shifty

A friend of mine has a Z28 with exhaust only. He always talk about running me and he thinks I only have the M3 motor... he is so pwnd. :devillook

A friend of mine has a Z28 with exhaust only. He always talk about running me and he thinks I only have the M3 motor... he is so pwnd. :devillook

Is his car an LS1? You guys *might* be closer than you expect, so don't be surprised.

Unless, of course, you're a StageII ... in that case, you'd walk him if you can drive :)

A friend of mine has a Z28 with exhaust only. He always talk about running me and he thinks I only have the M3 motor... he is so pwnd.


You'll take him with a stage 2 aa blower.

You'll rape him with a stage 2 aa blower.

Fixed

ORLY?


So e36 with gears and cams run mid-low 13s @ 104+?


Because that's what I ran before I got exhaust. I've raced 3 e46m3s and lost twice, but only by 2cl each time and I was ahead until 90mph, and the race ended at 140.


I have to say my LT1 is not your average LT1 camaro, it is the last year they used that engine (97) and it only has 35k miles on it.

I had a 95 M3 with just 3.91lsd, intake, maf, chip, and catback and I ran a 13.61@100mph with a slipping clutch that had 107k miles on it.

I don't believe anything Bsaint posts.

I can believe a well done cammed S52 can run a mid 13 on good tires with short gears.


Refer to my post where I mentioned my mods( you can see them in my sig) and also that my clutch was slipping ( it had 107k on it ).

With that said, if the car had full NA bolts ons including cams ) and a good clutch I think I could have run a couple tenths faster. The issue is that a properly driven and properly running LS1 car in stock form can run looooow 13's with a decent driver.

yeah bsaint I would tkae with a grain of salt.

m3chaser, I can believe his times.


Thank you sir. I actually still have the slip in my wallet for safe keeping.

I had a 95 M3 with just 3.91lsd, intake, maf, chip, and catback and I ran a 13.61@100mph with a slipping clutch that had 107k miles on it.

Slipping clutch had to have killed your mph... thats not enough against an LT1 M6 on the top end (mph) but you have it covered on the bottom end (et).. pretty impressive. :) :buttrock

Slipping clutch had to have killed your mph... thats not enough against an LT1 M6 on the top end (mph) but you have it covered on the bottom end (et).. pretty impressive. :) :buttrock

Thank you sir. Most N/A M3's just don't stand a chance against the LS1 f-bodies. It just isn't fair in a straight race for the E36 M3( US version ).

My little M Coupe, when it gets a full exhaust, M50 manifold, 3.5" intake, and 3.73lsd still won't be a run for my friends Fbodies that are mostly stock. I can shift quicker and launch better then them so when all those mods are done to my car then it may help me stay ahead for a little while, but they will most likely close the gap and pass me in the 1/4. Highway............let's not even compare the two!