Going to pick u dinner w/ my wife, talking to my buddy on my cell @ the light on a 6 lane, when a black TL w/ tinted windows inched up next to me. I wasn't sure if he wanted to run, so I started easy, put my cell in lap and floored it. He WAS trying to race (sweet), I kept in it to 6800 rpm and hit 2nd and left him a few car lengths back. The next light he didn't pull right next to me, and I resumed my conversation w/ my buddy. Bet he didn't think I'd race with my wife in the car, he thought wrong. If I was solo he really would have gotten his ass whupped (she gets carsick, so no wheelspin in 1st and 2nd gear this time). So much for the Acura TL being better than the 3 series Road & Track, Motor Trend, and Car and Driver. And I just got this E36, so it is bone stock.

Going to pick u dinner w/ my wife, talking to my buddy on my cell @ the light on a 6 lane, when a black TL w/ tinted windows inched up next to me. I wasn't sure if he wanted to run, so I started easy, put my cell in lap and floored it. He WAS trying to race (sweet), I kept in it to 6800 rpm and hit 2nd and left him a few car lengths back. The next light he didn't pull right next to me, and I resumed my conversation w/ my buddy. Bet he didn't think I'd race with my wife in the car, he thought wrong. If I was solo he really would have gotten his ass whupped (she gets carsick, so no wheelspin in 1st and 2nd gear this time). So much for the Acura TL being better than the 3 series Road & Track, Motor Trend, and Car and Driver. And I just got this E36, so it is bone stock.

Nice. Watch out for the new TL-S though. I would imagine that that race would be quite close.

Nice. Watch out for the new TL-S though. I would imagine that that race would be quite close.

How good are those new -S's? I've been curious, I know they look damn good. Are they still FWD?


E36M3wv, what sort of mods do you have? I'm guessing you raced an auto. The mannys are pretty capable in the hands of someone who knows how to launch the FWD. However not many, so you very well could've raced a manny. One of the old mods Silverstreak, had a TL, and his numbers mirrored many e36 m3s at the strip, he however was quite adept at running 1280feet.

The wrong wheel drive kills them though.

It was closer than I would have thought, so I'm pretty sure it was a TL-S. Couldn't hear him shift, although he dropped back for a second right before I hit 2nd. I don't have any mods on this one yet, except an ECIS intake. I didn't rev it and drop the clutch @5000 rpm, grab 2nd and spin, like when I'm by myself (and without groceries in my wife's lap ;)

It was closer than I would have thought, so I'm pretty sure it was a TL-S. Couldn't hear him shift, although he dropped back for a second right before I hit 2nd. I don't have any mods on this one yet, except an ECIS intake. I didn't rev it and drop the clutch @5000 rpm, grab 2nd and spin, like when I'm by myself (and without groceries in my wife's lap ;)

it could have been a plain one. They still can put down good numbers, just being fwd, hampers them.


Did you happen to see anything besides the front of it? Rims? Anything?

It was closer than I would have thought, so I'm pretty sure it was a TL-S. Couldn't hear him shift, although he dropped back for a second right before I hit 2nd. I don't have any mods on this one yet, except an ECIS intake. I didn't rev it and drop the clutch @5000 rpm, grab 2nd and spin, like when I'm by myself (and without groceries in my wife's lap ;)

Wrong.

A TL-S would have pulled you. They weigh 300 lbs less than a 540i (3500lbs), and put down similar HP to the wheels (about 260 WHP).

A regular TL weighs in at 3600 lbs, and has 270 at the crank. Here's what an A-Spec was able to do with a short shifter and an exhaust: http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-TL-Timeslip-10607.html

Video of the run: http://www.dragtimes.com/2006-Acura-TL-Videos-10607.html

An A-Spec is basically a looks, wheel/tire and suspension package only.

I do love how you overestimated your car, and managed to downplay the other in one sentence though. Knowledge, or lack thereof, FTW.

Everyone should negate wrong wheel drive given it was from a roll, that doesn't play in. Dunno if any of you caught that bit, didn't sound like you did. Acura 3.5CL 6 speed, while rare, have to be that quickest car (excluding NSX's since non production vehicle) that ever come into the dealership for maintenance over all. Not saying the TL's are slow, or that the type-s's are by any means, just that those will give you whiplash if you aren't expecting the 1st gear punch and aren't firmly planted to the back of your seat. You will only ever hop into one and not respect it once lol.

Wrong.

A TL-S would have pulled you. They weigh 300 lbs less than a 540i (3500lbs), and put down similar HP to the wheels (about 260 WHP).


Wow, the -S are impressive. I knew they looked good, never was sure on their performance.

Wrong.

A TL-S would have pulled you. They weigh 300 lbs less than a 540i (3500lbs), and put down similar HP to the wheels (about 260 WHP).

A regular TL weighs in at 3600 lbs, and has 270 at the crank. Here's what an A-Spec was able to do with a short shifter and an exhaust: http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-TL-Timeslip-10607.html

Video of the run: http://www.dragtimes.com/2006-Acura-TL-Videos-10607.html

An A-Spec is basically a looks, wheel/tire and suspension package only.

I do love how you overestimated your car, and managed to downplay the other in one sentence though. Knowledge, or lack thereof, FTW.

Actually the OP's race happened exactly as it should have with a regular TL. No contest there, and you should give him props. As it turned out Acura was overestimating with 270hp and downgraded to 258. A 3623lb car with 258 crank and a 3175lb car with 240 crank makes this outcome exactly how it should be.

You pick and choose the timeslips you put up while neglecting to post that some TLs are runnning 15.3 in the 1/4. Yet you posted the fastest timeslip of a car with mods. Highly unlikely that the OP ran a car like that on the street.
Don't distort facts. OP did not downplay the other car. He just stated what happened. Why can't you just give him props? Good kill OP :buttrock!

http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-TL-Timeslip-5271.html


http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura--TL-Drag-Racing.html

Going to pick u dinner w/ my wife, talking to my buddy on my cell @ the light on a 6 lane, when a black TL w/ tinted windows inched up next to me. I wasn't sure if he wanted to run, so I started easy, put my cell in lap and floored it. He WAS trying to race (sweet), I kept in it to 6800 rpm and hit 2nd and left him a few car lengths back. The next light he didn't pull right next to me, and I resumed my conversation w/ my buddy. Bet he didn't think I'd race with my wife in the car, he thought wrong. If I was solo he really would have gotten his ass whupped (she gets carsick, so no wheelspin in 1st and 2nd gear this time). So much for the Acura TL being better than the 3 series Road & Track, Motor Trend, and Car and Driver. And I just got this E36, so it is bone stock.

As others have said the equivalent to the M3 is the TL-S not the base TL. Still fun to beat up on dumb people that think they have a performance car.

It was closer than I would have thought, so I'm pretty sure it was a TL-S. Couldn't hear him shift, although he dropped back for a second right before I hit 2nd. I don't have any mods on this one yet, except an ECIS intake. I didn't rev it and drop the clutch @5000 rpm, grab 2nd and spin, like when I'm by myself (and without groceries in my wife's lap ;)

It was likely a regular TL if you had lengths on him unless you saw black wheels.

Going to pick u dinner w/ my wife, talking to my buddy on my cell @ the light on a 6 lane, when a black TL w/ tinted windows inched up next to me. I wasn't sure if he wanted to run, so I started easy, put my cell in lap and floored it. He WAS trying to race (sweet), I kept in it to 6800 rpm and hit 2nd and left him a few car lengths back. The next light he didn't pull right next to me, and I resumed my conversation w/ my buddy. Bet he didn't think I'd race with my wife in the car, he thought wrong. If I was solo he really would have gotten his ass whupped (she gets carsick, so no wheelspin in 1st and 2nd gear this time). So much for the Acura TL being better than the 3 series Road & Track, Motor Trend, and Car and Driver. And I just got this E36, so it is bone stock.

Moral of the story, you most likely beat a stock base TL or possibly passed a TL-S that wasn't really racing you.

Actually the OP's race happened exactly as it should have with a regular TL.

No shit, Sherlock. :rolleyes

The OP was basically claiming that it "had to have been a TL-S, because it was close." I pointed out that if it was a TL-S that was actually trying, he would have lost.

No shit, Sherlock. :rolleyes

The OP was basically claiming that it "had to have been a TL-S, because it was close." I pointed out that if it was a TL-S that was actually trying, he would have lost.

So why all the boo haha and all that stuff with dragtimes of a regular TL Clouseau?

So why all the boo haha and all that stuff with dragtimes of a regular TL Clouseau?
I believe it was to justify why it wasn't a TL-S involved in the race.

Nice race dude! To be totally honest, if im ever in the market for a sedan that size it would be a really close second to an e39! I really admire their comfort, class, style, size, and performance! The TSX is another one I def wouldnt mind getting (especially with the 6sp!:buttrock)

The bottom line is that if a stock TL pulls up to a stock E36 M3 and tries to start something, the TL will get its ass handed to him. No two ways about that.

The OP is assuming it may have been a TL-S because he thought he should have beaten a regular TL by more than he did, not because he actually saw a TL-S badge on the car. If someone comes up with info for a TL, not a TL-S, running those times, then, he's, at a minimum, insinuating that the TL will beat the M3. That's not happening with any M3 driver who knows what they're doing.

Yes, the TL is a nice car. Have a friend with an auto TL, and I like hondas having owned one through college, but give the OP props is all I'm saying without raining on his kill parade.

Yes, the TL is a nice car. Have a friend with an auto TL, and I like hondas having owned one through college, but give the OP props is all I'm saying without raining on his kill parade.


I give props when they are due. Unfortunately, the OP comes off as an elitist fanboy when making such comments as "Bet he didn't think I'd race with my wife in the car, he thought wrong. If I was solo he really would have gotten his ass whupped.....So much for the Acura TL being better than the 3 series..." No props whatsoever. :rolleyes

I saw a TL 3 nights ago slide by me while I was doing about 80-85. I was tempted to go for it but saw the dual exhaust and not knowing enough, I decided to chill. I'm guessing it had to be a TL-S so I probably made the right decision. My M3 is bone stock.

Hey RSeven, you don't know me at all, so unless you know me, keep your opinions about me to yourself . This is my 4th M3, 7th BMW and 24th car. I do know how to drive them, ask the 25 police cars I outran in my first M3. It was a black TL @ night, all I saw was the nose out of my rear passenger window and it dropped back a little right before I hit 2nd. Why do you think an S4 (2.7 tt) is slower to 60 than an E36? Because it weighs about the same amount as a TL. I was on my phone w/ the mrs. ridin shotgun, so obviously I wasn't ready to race- he was the one to inch up and take off from the light, I just knew that he was gonna do it, so I put my phone in my lap when I floored it. BTW 0-60 on a 2007 TL-S (3680 lbs) is 5.7 secs, E36 M3 (3175 lbs) does it in 5.4, which is pretty much what happened.

Hey RSeven, you don't know me at all, so unless you know me, keep your opinions about me to yourself . This is my 4th M3, 7th BMW and 24th car. I do know how to drive them, ask the 25 police cars I outran in my first M3. It was a black TL @ night, all I saw was the nose out of my rear passenger window and it dropped back a little right before I hit 2nd. Why do you think an S4 (2.7 tt) is slower to 60 than an E36? Because it weighs about the same amount as a TL. I was on my phone w/ the mrs. ridin shotgun, so obviously I wasn't ready to race- he was the one to inch up and take off from the light, I just knew that he was gonna do it, so I put my phone in my lap when I floored it. BTW 0-60 on a 2007 TL-S (3680 lbs) is 5.7 secs, E36 M3 (3175 lbs) does it in 5.4, which is pretty much what happened.

Right.

Take the worst 0-60 magazine time you can find, ran in god knows what conditions, and apply it towards all discussions about the car you want to downplay. How about this then?: http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60_Quarter_Mile_Times/B_0-60times.html

1996 BMW M3 Luxury 6.6 14.9

Turnabout's fair play, right?

BTW: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/features_classic_cars/the_quickest_sedans_of_2008_30_000_to_40_000_featu re+page-5.html

Curb weight: 3515 lb

:rofl:

This is shaping up to be a great thread.

I saw a TL 3 nights ago slide by me while I was doing about 80-85. I was tempted to go for it but saw the dual exhaust and not knowing enough, I decided to chill. I'm guessing it had to be a TL-S so I probably made the right decision. My M3 is bone stock.

both have dual exhaust. The TL-S has a meaner stance, different badge on the rear, sportier looking exhaust tips and different wheels (from what I have noticed driving by them).


I think carnuttt potsted drag times, to show taht regular TLs can give an e36 m3 a run for it's money. With a decent driver they can go 14+/- seconds and around the same trap speed as your run o the mill m3. A TL-S has the power of a 540, with far less weight, the 540i/6 does 0-60 about the same as an m3.....you do the math on that one.

Therefore...this story as everyone has concluded was a regular TL. Just some people seem to think carnuttt and rseven are trying to rain on people's parades, when really they were just saying it isn't a TL-S like the OP assumed.


:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

Wrong.

A TL-S would have pulled you. They weigh 300 lbs less than a 540i (3500lbs), and put down similar HP to the wheels (about 260 WHP).

A regular TL weighs in at 3600 lbs, and has 270 at the crank. Here's what an A-Spec was able to do with a short shifter and an exhaust: http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura-TL-Timeslip-10607.html

Video of the run: http://www.dragtimes.com/2006-Acura-TL-Videos-10607.html

An A-Spec is basically a looks, wheel/tire and suspension package only.

I do love how you overestimated your car, and managed to downplay the other in one sentence though. Knowledge, or lack thereof, FTW.

People like you are why I don't read this stupid section.

People like you are why I don't read this stupid section.

What?

People who would inject common sense and reality into your delusions of grandeur for driving a car with a certain badge?

Does it make your dick so hard when BMW's win everything, that you would sacrifice the slim trust that applies to forums in order to achieve this pleasure?

What?

People who would inject common sense and reality into your delusions of grandeur for driving a car with a certain badge?

Does it make your dick so hard when BMW's win everything, that you would sacrifice the slim trust that applies to forums in order to achieve this pleasure?

:nono

both have dual exhaust. The TL-S has a meaner stance, different badge on the rear, sportier looking exhaust tips and different wheels (from what I have noticed driving by them).


I think carnuttt potsted drag times, to show taht regular TLs can give an e36 m3 a run for it's money. With a decent driver they can go 14+/- seconds and around the same trap speed as your run o the mill m3. A TL-S has the power of a 540, with far less weight, the 540i/6 does 0-60 about the same as an m3.....you do the math on that one.

Therefore...this story as everyone has concluded was a regular TL. Just some people seem to think carnuttt and rseven are trying to rain on people's parades, when really they were just saying it isn't a TL-S like the OP assumed.


:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes

Actually if you look at those drag times, the best time a stock TL A-Spec managed was a 14.3, and the best time for a TL was a 14.5. The others have DRs or some other mod. They are not doing <14 stock.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura--TL-Drag-Racing.html

Actually if you look at those drag times, the best time a stock TL A-Spec managed was a 14.3, and the best time for a TL was a 14.5. The others have DRs or some other mod. They are not doing <14 stock.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Acura--TL-Drag-Racing.html

I know, and most e36 m3s aren't <14 secs either. So let's say your average m3... 14 sec 1/4, and an average TL at 14.5, shorten it down to a race up to 3rd gear, coupled with the TL's wrong wheel drive, and hey, it seems about spot on.

Again, showing that it was a normal TL, not a TL-S that has gobs more power.

Silverstreak, took his TL down at about 14.19 I believe with his bone stock TL that he got after his ZHP was totaled. The .19 is probably off, as I'm trying to go off of memory from 2+ years ago, but he was in the low 14s.

I know, and most e36 m3s aren't <14 secs either. So let's say your average m3... 14 sec 1/4, and an average TL at 14.5, shorten it down to a race up to 3rd gear, coupled with the TL's wrong wheel drive, and hey, it seems about spot on.

Again, showing that it was a normal TL, not a TL-S that has gobs more power.

Silverstreak, took his TL down at about 14.19 I believe with his bone stock TL that he got after his ZHP was totaled. The .19 is probably off, as I'm trying to go off of memory from 2+ years ago, but he was in the low 14s.

That would be a fair assessment. The stock E36 M3s here are running 14.00 to 14.20. There's a 14.8 but that would be an anomaly especially if they're trapping 102.


http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M3-Timeslip-111.html


http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW--M3-Drag-Racing.html?resultpage=3


Edit: Looking closely at the 14.8s page, I'm now sure it is an anomaly. It's a Euro S50 so it should have been in the 13s.

I know, and most e36 m3s aren't <14 secs either. So let's say your average m3... 14 sec 1/4, and an average TL at 14.5, shorten it down to a race up to 3rd gear, coupled with the TL's wrong wheel drive, and hey, it seems about spot on.

Again, showing that it was a normal TL, not a TL-S that has gobs more power.

This is EXACTLY what I am saying. I never called BS on the story itself, just on the OP's assessment that it "had" to have been a TL-S, due to the closeness of the race - like if it had been a regular TL, he would have pulled it like it was a Civic. And even this is a LONG stretch for me, considering he claims to have pulled the TL by "a few car lengths" in second gear. Considering the TL's stock capabilities, that is quite a stretch for a STOCK luxury M3 with all its weight penalties.

Read his story again, and tell me you can't interpret it as such:

Going to pick u dinner w/ my wife, talking to my buddy on my cell @ the light on a 6 lane, when a black TL w/ tinted windows inched up next to me. I wasn't sure if he wanted to run, so I started easy, put my cell in lap and floored it. He WAS trying to race (sweet),

Interpretation: "I saw this car pull up next to me at the light. I wanted to show him up, because even though his car's about twice as expensive as my car is, I have the roundel, dammit, and he MUST learn his place!

I then floored my roundel-monster after I assumed he was racing, though I can't confirm that, because I never acknowledged him through any outside gesture other than acting like a jackass with my wife in the car."

I kept in it to 6800 rpm and hit 2nd and left him a few car lengths back. The next light he didn't pull right next to me, and I resumed my conversation w/ my buddy.

Interpretation: "I kept my roundel-monster floored, shifted to 2nd, and assumed that he tried and lost, because he was FAR behind me, dammit.

No. The option of him not racing at all, and pulling next to me at the light wondering: 'WTF is this BMW douchebag's problem' is NOT an option in my mind. All because I saw his car moving forward when the light went green.

I proceeded to tell my friend over the phone how hot my supermodel wife is, and how fast my pinnacle of German engineering is. I didn't have to tell him about my 20-inch penis - he already knows *wink wink*."

Bet he didn't think I'd race with my wife in the car, he thought wrong. If I was solo he really would have gotten his ass whupped (she gets carsick, so no wheelspin in 1st and 2nd gear this time). So much for the Acura TL being better than the 3 series Road & Track, Motor Trend, and Car and Driver. And I just got this E36, so it is bone stock.

Interpretation: "I bet he didn't think a BMW M3 owner would act like such a jackass - oh wait.

Anyhow, if I was by myself, then he'd have REALLY gotten to see what a HUGE JACKASS I am.

No matter what some dumb magazine that normally sucks BMW's cock says, they're all wrong when they say something bad about ANYTHING that has a roundel on it! Now, wake me up when these same magazines include a BMW in their 'Ten Best' or 'Car of the Year' issue AGAIN, like they do almost every year. That is the only time they are right!"

Silverstreak, took his TL down at about 14.19 I believe with his bone stock TL that he got after his ZHP was totaled. The .19 is probably off, as I'm trying to go off of memory from 2+ years ago, but he was in the low 14s.

Dave (Silverstreak) got a 14-flat, I believe. But he's a God driver. He also got a stock S2000 to 13.66.

I read 2008 TL-S test that had a 0-60 of 6.65 and 6.4 w/ and w/o traction control, and said it was severely traction limited. I didn't see if they were black or dirty @ night, just saw the wheel pattern when he inched up to the light, and they were multi-spoke TL-S rims. Don't know WTF is your prob carnuttt, little rice weenie? All I know is my 12 yr old 3.2 beat Honda's hi-performance 3.5, in a race he was looking for. Why all the BMW haters on bimmerforums? I don't bash fans of japanese cars that do nothing but copy and still come up short. You can keep your made up luxury/performance brands like LexToy, InfinitiNiss, and AcuraHo. Fake Rolex's and LV's function almost as well as the real ones too. Heard Hyundai has a prototype Tiburon replacement coming out, better suck some rice cock carnutt so you can get one. Bet you wonder why people buy an S-class, when they could have a Hyundai Genesis.

I read 2008 TL-S test that had a 0-60 of 6.65 and 6.4 w/ and w/o traction control, and said it was severely traction limited. I didn't see if they were black or dirty @ night, just saw the wheel pattern when he inched up to the light, and they were multi-spoke TL-S rims. Don't know WTF is your prob carnuttt, little rice weenie? All I know is my 12 yr old 3.2 beat Honda's hi-performance 3.5, in a race he was looking for. Why all the BMW haters on bimmerforums? I don't bash fans of japanese cars that do nothing but copy and still come up short. You can keep your made up luxury/performance brands like LexToy, InfinitiNiss, and AcuraHo. Fake Rolex's and LV's function almost as well as the real ones too. Heard Hyundai has a prototype Tiburon replacement coming out, better suck some rice cock carnutt so you can get one. Bet you wonder why people buy an S-class, when they could have a Hyundai Genesis.

Way not to reinforce the stereotype I put you in! :thumbup:

the new S's are pretty sick but i personally wouldn't buy an acura

lol buy an acura is a link

At the next light he signalled to get over, and I let him get over (I'm such a jackass, not him) so he could turn into the shopping center. HE was trying to get the jump on me so he could get in the left lane. And you, carnutt, just ran your mouth needlessly.

you should have pulled over and let your wife out of the car and whooped that acuras ass the true bimmer way

That definitely would have made me a jackass, to kick my blonde supermodel wife out and let her and dinner get cold. Just didn't wanna get cut off, yet I'm the jackass. I didn't start anything w/ the Acura or rseven/carrnutt, but I can and will defend myself.

"I proceeded to tell my friend over the phone how hot my supermodel wife is, and how fast my pinnacle of German engineering is. I didn't have to tell him about my 20-inch penis - he already knows *wink wink*."

:rofl: I'm dying here! Keep 'em coming, Carrrnuttt!

Dave (Silverstreak) got a 14-flat, I believe. But he's a God driver. He also got a stock S2000 to 13.66.

Ahhh even better. I knew it was an impressive number, just didn't know it was that impressive. But yes, he did have quite a bit of experience running 25% of 5280 feet at a time.

Yeah your uncanny ability to read my mind and hear my conversation is amazing carrnutt. All I did was tell the truth about what happened, I didn't think every Fast and Furious wannabe would attack me personally for not letting somebody cut me off. Now you have a cheerleader in kiley, like the bully's little sidekick in A Christmas Story. Don't let your guys' penis envy make you bitter. I bet you both smoke a mean pole, wink-wink.

you made yourself sound way more gay than carnut did... jesus... turn down the flames guys. I don't know why any guys cares about the size of another guys penis...generally people who insult other people dicks are a)closet mo's, or b) don't have a woman because they haven't the slightest idea of how to please a woman. To the OP, unless it's an over the top crazy batshitinsane kill story, you will be flamed in this forum. Or if it's just some stupid made up sarcastic "haha I'm so funny" joke of a kill story post...everyone will laugh and not flame you event hough it's gay and they need to stop with the uber gay fake kill posts. Most of the credible kills get called B.S. on, while most of the kills like this one are too tame to be called kills, so also get flamed....basically, this is e-peen spam flame territory. On the road, everything is a driver's race, period. Unless you are from a highway roll, then the faster car will win, traffic permitting. Everyone shut up, if you don't enjoy a story...just go post one of your awesome kill stories. 90% of bf.c "kills" are little more than elitist scum saying how they win simply on the basis they are in a BMW...kinda defeats the purpose of a kill section, since that makes bf.c killsection.com. But whatever. Lay off the OP, and OP, go out and do a real race not just a cock block on some poor SOB just trying to pass, you probably made him miss his turn or something...

... Why do you think an S4 (2.7 tt) is slower to 60 than an E36?
Not entirely true. If anything it is a wash (i.e. depends on which magazine you wish to quote)

Silverstreak, took his TL down at about 14.19 I believe with his bone stock TL that he got after his ZHP was totaled. The .19 is probably off, as I'm trying to go off of memory from 2+ years ago, but he was in the low 14s.

Actually, he owned a previous generation CL-S 6-sp (260hp, probably lighter, and 6sp), which is a different car than the late model TL/TL-S. He ran a 14.11 at 95.9mph. "I got it to a 14.11 at 95.9 mph at Atco back in June 2002".

Quotes from this link:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=206124

A CL-S 6 sp should be faster than an auto TL.

Actually, he owned a previous generation CL-S 6-sp (260hp, probably lighter, and 6sp), which is a different car than the late model TL/TL-S. He ran a 14.11 at 95.9mph. "I got it to a 14.11 at 95.9 mph at Atco back in June 2002".

Quotes from this link:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=206124

A CL-S 6 sp should be faster than an auto TL.

Thanks for clarifying that. And yes, a CL-S 6 speed will be faster than a run-of-the-mill TL, but they are definitely much slower than a TL-S. The CL-S and the TL-S weigh in real close (3510 lbs for the CL-S and 3515 for the TL-S), with the CL putting down about 25 to 30 WHP less than the TL-S.

Actually, he owned a previous generation CL-S 6-sp (260hp, probably lighter, and 6sp), which is a different car than the late model TL/TL-S. He ran a 14.11 at 95.9mph. "I got it to a 14.11 at 95.9 mph at Atco back in June 2002".

Quotes from this link:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=206124

A CL-S 6 sp should be faster than an auto TL.

Ahhh nice! Thread from the dead baby. I miss dave. :(

BTW, logical kills don't usually get called BS on. It is ones that are questionable. This one was questionable due to the "It had to be a TL-S since he kept up so well" statement. That made the story not so logical. Yet, I don't need to explain this to you mulholland, as you have the Kills section pegged after being in here for like 2 weeks.

Don't know WTF is your prob carnuttt, little rice weenie? All I know is my 12 yr old 3.2 beat Honda's hi-performance 3.5, in a race he was looking for. Why all the BMW haters on bimmerforums? I don't bash fans of japanese cars that do nothing but copy and still come up short. You can keep your made up luxury/performance brands like LexToy, InfinitiNiss, and AcuraHo. Fake Rolex's and LV's function almost as well as the real ones too. Heard Hyundai has a prototype Tiburon replacement coming out, better suck some rice cock carnutt so you can get one. Bet you wonder why people buy an S-class, when they could have a Hyundai Genesis.

It's comments like these that make you sound like an elitist fanboy. And this is why you get no respect whatsoever.

Ahhh nice! Thread from the dead baby. I miss dave. :(

BTW, logical kills don't usually get called BS on. It is ones that are questionable. This one was questionable due to the "It had to be a TL-S since he kept up so well" statement. That made the story not so logical. Yet, I don't need to explain this to you mulholland, as you have the Kills section pegged after being in here for like 2 weeks.

....everywhere I post in here I get positive feedback buddy, so whatever.

also, OP, you even admit he was just trying to get over and you were an assbag. Look here, re-read what you typed, compare it to my analysis of what really happened, then tell me I'm wrong.

"At the next light he signalled to get over, and I let him get over (I'm such a jackass, not him) so he could turn into the shopping center. HE was trying to get the jump on me so he could get in the left lane. And you, carnutt, just ran your mouth needlessly."

....you are a tool. And just because your wife may be blonde, and you may have bout her some tittays, She isn't a blonde supermodel assbag.:nono

PICS OR BAN.

I had a blonde, but she didn't match my car, so I got a brunette.

P.S.
CL-S 6speeds are beast. The first time I got in one when I started working up at Acura I wasn't....well seated and I pressed the long pedal down gingerly and damn near got whiplash. Not saying they are Enzo fast...but they are definitely suprising.

....everywhere I post in here I get positive feedback buddy, so whatever.

also, OP, you even admit he was just trying to get over and you were an assbag. Look here, re-read what you typed, compare it to my analysis of what really happened, then tell me I'm wrong.

"At the next light he signalled to get over, and I let him get over (I'm such a jackass, not him) so he could turn into the shopping center. HE was trying to get the jump on me so he could get in the left lane. And you, carnutt, just ran your mouth needlessly."

....you are a tool. And just because your wife may be blonde, and you may have bout her some tittays, She isn't a blonde supermodel assbag.:nono

PICS OR BAN.

I had a blonde, but she didn't match my car, so I got a brunette.

You're wrong, and I'll bet you would have done the same thing in that situation. If someone tries politely to get over, you and most people will let them get over. However, if they stomp their car to get in front of you forcefully, what would you do?

The OP reacted exactly like you would have reacted when this driver tried to stomp his car and cut him off. When he signalled, which is a way of letting another driver know your intention, the OP let him get in front of him. Don't be a hypocrite.

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Thanks for clarifying that. And yes, a CL-S 6 speed will be faster than a run-of-the-mill TL, but they are definitely much slower than a TL-S. The CL-S and the TL-S weigh in real close (3510 lbs for the CL-S and 3515 for the TL-S), with the CL putting down about 25 to 30 WHP less than the TL-S.

Agreed. A new manual TL-S is faster than a prev gen CL-S 6-sp.

I still would pick CL-S 6 speed over TL having driven both and worked on both.

P.S.
Never ever ever buy a CL auto trans. The torque converters cannot handle the power output at all and fail every 40-60k under even gentle use. And there is no aftermarket replacement I've heard of yet for this issue, so I saw many an auto CL at the dealership on their 3rd by 120k... which is just messed up. We are talking 30-80 year olds who drive them, not teens or anything.