So this Sunday my brother and I decided to go for a cruise; me in my '04 zhp and he in his '00 Camaro SS. We cruised for awhile, just enjoying the day, when we finally came to a stop sign together. We exchanged some smack talk, counted to 3 and off we went! He spun his wheels for a bit, and by the end of 1st I had him by two lengths; end of 2nd, 1 length; top of 3rd and we're even with him pulling like a freight train, although I did shut it down at about 80. I am confident that if we had continued accelerating I would have been a speck in his mirror, but this was a low speed race and as such I am claiming victory!

Lessons learned Thomas? You can have over 400 horsepower under the hood, but if you lack the skill to control those horses you can lose to someone with almost half as much!

OMG members this guy is the biggest liar. A bmw beating a Camaro SS? You have got to be kidding me. I know because I was there watching you try to catch up through my rear view mirror.

A little sore are we? I would be too if my 400+hp monster got embarrassed by a lowly 235hp zhp. But hey, it's all driver skill. Your birthday is coming up next month, maybe I'll get you some racing school sessions as a gift?

OMG. I hope the rest of you bmw owners don't have to lie about kill stories to make friends.

Haha have fun guys talking to each other here. Why don't you just meet again and argue.

Haha have fun guys talking to each other here. Why don't you just meet again and argue.

He's too scuuuuuuuuured. P.S. I like your picture, I used to live under the citgo sign when I went to school in beantown.

ew

Umm... no reason to be a bunch of tools is there?

Any car can beat a faster car if the faster car sits and spins while the slower car just takes off. I don't catch my friends TrailBlazer (the 275hp I6..not the SS model) until about 45mph... he gets off the line clean with no problem and I have to take it easy. He can easily humble me if I spin too much and he shuts down early.

Good Kill..there is nothing really insulting about it knowing that the other car is faster (which you acknowledge) and you beat him fair and square (not your fault he couldn't launch the car).

Cheers

ew

:lol haha. the same thought was going through my mind.

Question: Who's the bigger/older brother? A noogie should end this debate quick...

lol.........nice thread.....unique i must say!

if the fbody owner doesnt know how to drive his car, then I would believe that you won.

if both of you are decent drivers, and no one screws up majorly, the camaro would win hands down.

anyways, good kill!

ew

+2; ZHP wins another battle.

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So this Sunday my brother and I decided to go for a cruise; me in my '04 zhp and he in his '00 Camaro SS. We cruised for awhile, just enjoying the day, when we finally came to a stop sign together. We exchanged some smack talk, counted to 3 and off we went! He spun his wheels for a bit, and by the end of 1st I had him by two lengths; end of 2nd, 1 length; top of 3rd and we're even with him pulling like a freight train, although I did shut it down at about 80. I am confident that if we had continued accelerating I would have been a speck in his mirror, but this was a low speed race and as such I am claiming victory!

Lessons learned Thomas? You can have over 400 horsepower under the hood, but if you lack the skill to control those horses you can lose to someone with almost half as much!
I'm sorry, where is the victory here??? You say at top of 3rd you were even. Sounds like it was even, unless you are saying the race was only through 2nd gear...which is to what 55 maybe 60

A little sore are we? I would be too if my 400+hp monster got embarrassed by a lowly 235hp zhp. But hey, it's all driver skill. Your birthday is coming up next month, maybe I'll get you some racing school sessions as a gift?

i bet your 60ft times would be a bit slower 9 out of 10 times if you had 400hp.

meh

Lessons learned Thomas? You can have over 400 horsepower under the hood, but if you lack the skill to control those horses you can lose to someone with almost half as much if you only race to 80mph!

fixed ;)

First off, a Camaro SS with an LS1 isn't much from a stop. That motor doesn't show what it is truly made of until the end of 2nd/beginning of 3rd gear.

Case in point,
When I had my NA modded 95 M3 (including shorter gears), I could hold off any LS1-equipped car (except the C5) until about 70-80mph. Once they hit 3rd, GAME OVER. I could hold off SS's, Z28's, Trans Am's until about 70-80mph when they would just walk away from me.

Next time, run your brother from a 40 or 50mph punch and I guarantee he will walk away from you HARD. As a matter of fact, run him from any mph 2nd gear or 3rd gear roll.

It would help if you knew more about the car - especially considering your brother has one.

American muscle,, ew..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GMg2Vn8Ue6E

First off, a Camaro SS with an LS1 isn't much from a stop. That motor doesn't show what it is truly made of until the end of 2nd/beginning of 3rd gear.

Case in point,
When I had my NA modded 95 M3 (including shorter gears), I could hold off any LS1-equipped car (except the C5) until about 70-80mph. Once they hit 3rd, GAME OVER. I could hold off SS's, Z28's, Trans Am's until about 70-80mph when they would just walk away from me.


I will bite.... What does a C5 do differently that an LS1 F-Body does not??

2.1 60ft
8.6 @ 85mph 1/8th
13.1 @ 108mph 1/4
Absolutely Bone Stock

I will bite.... What does a C5 do differently that an LS1 F-Body does not??

2.1 60ft
8.6 @ 85mph 1/8th
13.1 @ 108mph 1/4
Absolutely Bone Stock

Not sure ... back when I had my E36 M3, I could hold off the SS's and Z28's, but never the C5's for some reason :dunno Though I must say I've seen C5's hit 12's and trap as high as 109 bone stock.

The best time I ran with my M3 was 13.8@104.

I have to stop; all this E36 M3 talk is making me miss my M3 :( Damn, I miss that car!

American muscle,, ew..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GMg2Vn8Ue6E

That video makes my blood boil... "Corvette motor" bwahaha...its not a Corvette motor..it's a Camaro motor. "Yeah we got a chip that gives it more hp"..."350hp camaro" OK buddy. We don't have 'Chips' and you certainly don't magically gain 50hp with just a tune.

Crazy driver FTW. haha...

Umm... no reason to be a bunch of tools is there?

Any car can beat a faster car if the faster car sits and spins while the slower car just takes off. I don't catch my friends TrailBlazer (the 275hp I6..not the SS model) until about 45mph... he gets off the line clean with no problem and I have to take it easy. He can easily humble me if I spin too much and he shuts down early.

Good Kill..there is nothing really insulting about it knowing that the other car is faster (which you acknowledge) and you beat him fair and square (not your fault he couldn't launch the car).

Cheers

+1

The OP seems to be writing about a "kill" due to the limited racing. he acknowledges he was getting pulled hard and if he didn't decide to end it where he did - his brother probably hasn't quit yet - he would've been passed . He did like I probably would, and talk trash to someone I know personally by saying I won a circumstantial race.

fixed ;)


Wanna run from a dig?:cool

Not sure ... back when I had my E36 M3, I could hold off the SS's and Z28's, but never the C5's for some reason :dunno Though I must say I've seen C5's hit 12's and trap as high as 109 bone stock.

The best time I ran with my M3 was 13.8@104.

I have to stop; all this E36 M3 talk is making me miss my M3 :( Damn, I miss that car!


I had a stock E46 hang with me for a little while.

I need an exhaust. =(

I had a stock E46 hang with me for a little while.

I need an exhaust. =(

I meant E36, not E46.

I meant E36, not E46.

I know. I was kinda raising BS on the E36 part.

Then I realized it was you, and probably a decent E36.

And yeah, I've been walked by an Auto Vette. =(

Not sure ... back when I had my E36 M3, I could hold off the SS's and Z28's, but never the C5's for some reason :dunno Though I must say I've seen C5's hit 12's and trap as high as 109 bone stock.

The best time I ran with my M3 was 13.8@104.


No offense but I don't see where you would be holding me off running those times... you must have been running some of the 13.5 ~ 13.6 LS1 cars that are out there. Also FWIW Z28s and SS cars have dipped into the 12s and a lot have teetered on the 13.0 mark with traps of 108 ~ 109mph. Only C5s I know of that could outright beat our times were the FRC models and they were 12.7~12.8 @ 109~110mph.

Link for you...
http://www.stangbangers.com/01Bullitt_Article2c.jpg

Then I realized it was you, and probably a decent E36.



Yup, I ran the 13.8 without the gears, which probably would knock off another .4 seconds or so off my time. Also, it's important to note that I wasn't the best launcher of the E36. I am sure with my mods, it was easily a mid 13-second car without the gears installed. With gears, low 13's.



No offense but I don't see where you would be holding me off running those times... you must have been running some of the 13.5 ~ 13.6 LS1 cars that are out there.

Hey, it is what it is. My E36 wasn't exactly your ordinary S50, either, though. And two particular SS's that I ran were from a 10mph punch, which definitely gave the advantage to me since the guy was likely spinning while I was sweeping through 1st and 2nd no problem.

See above. 13.8 was with my driving (I am not a good drag racer at all) and without my gears installed; with a better launch and with gears, I would not doubt for a second that my E36 was a decent low 13-second car.

Not sure ... back when I had my E36 M3, I could hold off the SS's and Z28's, but never the C5's for some reason :dunno Though I must say I've seen C5's hit 12's and trap as high as 109 bone stock.

The best time I ran with my M3 was 13.8@104.

I have to stop; all this E36 M3 talk is making me miss my M3 :( Damn, I miss that car!

I'd rather have your M5 over an e36 M3 any day

First off, a Camaro SS with an LS1 isn't much from a stop. That motor doesn't show what it is truly made of until the end of 2nd/beginning of 3rd gear.

Case in point,
When I had my NA modded 95 M3 (including shorter gears), I could hold off any LS1-equipped car (except the C5) until about 70-80mph. Once they hit 3rd, GAME OVER. I could hold off SS's, Z28's, Trans Am's until about 70-80mph when they would just walk away from me.

Next time, run your brother from a 40 or 50mph punch and I guarantee he will walk away from you HARD. As a matter of fact, run him from any mph 2nd gear or 3rd gear roll.

It would help if you knew more about the car - especially considering your brother has one.

Your quote confirms exactly what I stated in my story- I pulled on him through 1st and 2nd due to his poor launch. Also please note that we ran from a stop, not a roll. If we ran from a roll the outcome would have been far different.. but we didn't.

Also keep in mind that I helped my brother put in his new clutch a few weeks ago- I know a little bit about his car :)

+1

The OP seems to be writing about a "kill" due to the limited racing. he acknowledges he was getting pulled hard and if he didn't decide to end it where he did - his brother probably hasn't quit yet - he would've been passed . He did like I probably would, and talk trash to someone I know personally by saying I won a circumstantial race.

Thank God someone gets the point of the thread haha- it was meant to be something original and a fun read.. plus it really happened, unlike half the stories on here.

Yup, I ran the 13.8 without the gears, which probably would knock off another .4 seconds or so off my time. Also, it's important to note that I wasn't the best launcher of the E36. I am sure with my mods, it was easily a mid 13-second car without the gears installed. With gears, low 13's.

I know what you are saying but you didn't have gears....so no low 13s. I am saying if you put me and you side by side on a track your results would not be duplicated. It's not a big e-penis things it's purely fact backed up by track times. You could put our slips side by side right now and compare... unless you cut some awesome 60fts you wouldn't be ahead for much of the race if at all. To make it fair I ran with out gears or tires, or a lid, or anything else for that matter...so as you said. It is what it is.

I can see what happened with your races and I am not saying they didn't happen or that you didn't do as well as you say. I am just echoing what you just said... there was some spinning/driver error in part of the SS cars and results aren't typical... I wouldn't throw it out as something that would happen all the time and give anyone false hopes. :cool

I know what you are saying but you didn't have gears....so no low 13s. I am saying if you put me and you side by side on a track your results would not be duplicated. It's not a big e-penis things it's purely fact backed up by track times. You could put our slips side by side right now and compare... unless you cut some awesome 60fts you wouldn't be ahead for much of the race if at all. To make it fair I ran with out gears or tires, or a lid, or anything else for that matter...so as you said. It is what it is.

I can see what happened with your races and I am not saying they didn't happen or that you didn't do as well as you say. I am just echoing what you just said... there was some spinning/driver error in part of the SS cars and results aren't typical... I wouldn't throw it out as something that would happen all the time and give anyone false hopes. :cool


Armo knows what's up. His LS6 wasn't too shabby.

Wanna run from a dig?:cool

you know i'm down for anything...a dig, a roll, you name it.


...now the only problem is the 800 miles between us. ;)

you know i'm down for anything...a dig, a roll, you name it.


...now the only problem is the 800 miles between us. ;)


Yeah yeah. And I know how the supra owners around here roll....

Autos. =(

If I ever head that way, I may hit you up. Just because hey, I haven't lost to a Supra yet. :redspot

I know what you are saying but you didn't have gears....so no low 13s. I am saying if you put me and you side by side on a track your results would not be duplicated. It's not a big e-penis things it's purely fact backed up by track times. You could put our slips side by side right now and compare... unless you cut some awesome 60fts you wouldn't be ahead for much of the race if at all. To make it fair I ran with out gears or tires, or a lid, or anything else for that matter...so as you said. It is what it is.

I can see what happened with your races and I am not saying they didn't happen or that you didn't do as well as you say. I am just echoing what you just said... there was some spinning/driver error in part of the SS cars and results aren't typical... I wouldn't throw it out as something that would happen all the time and give anyone false hopes. :cool

Yes, I know.

Getting beaten by a faster car is not a kill, at least not for you.



OP = FTL


Oh yeah and OC = FTMFL

Getting beaten by a faster car is not a kill, at least not for you.



OP = FTL


Oh yeah and OC = FTMFL

Thank you for your wonderfully insightful contribution to this thread. Did you bother to read it?

Oh and I live in San Diego now.. have you ever lived in OC? If so I (and I imagine many other forum members that call OC home) would love to know why OC = FTMFL, especially when in comparision to San Diego ;)

I'd rather have your M5 over an e36 M3 any day+1

If so I (and I imagine many other forum members that call OC home) would love to know why OC = FTMFL, especially when in comparision to San Diego ;)

The reason is, because aside from the occasional post that is actually contributive to the forum, trevor likes to play the role of what many like to call a "troll".

That youtube video with the M3 makes me laugh so hard. None of the facts are true in the whole video except for the kid owning the cops in an all out race haha

The reason is, because aside from the occasional post that is actually contributive to the forum, trevor likes to play the role of what many like to call a "troll".

Haha fair enough, we all have our role in life to play :)

Thank you for your wonderfully insightful contribution to this thread. Did you bother to read it?

Oh and I live in San Diego now.. have you ever lived in OC? If so I (and I imagine many other forum members that call OC home) would love to know why OC = FTMFL, especially when in comparision to San Diego ;)

Why is San Diego better? Are you azn or something?


It's called a beach, boy

Why is San Diego better? Are you azn or something?


It's called a beach, boy

Hahahah ever heard of Huntington? Or Newport? Or Long Beach?

Meh.

Why is San Diego better? Are you azn or something?


It's called a beach, boy

Hahahah ever heard of Huntington? Or Newport? Or Long Beach?

Meh.
:eatpop:

I cant wait to run a Z28/SS/WS6, I think I might give the stock ones a good run.

I cant wait to run a Z28/SS/WS6, I think I might give the stock ones a good run.



LS1tech .com Northern Section.


http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=55

Hahahah ever heard of Huntington? Or Newport? Or Long Beach?

Meh.

I like my beach sand to be less than 50% trash and cig butts. How's life in the McMansion?

ss < 330i

I cant wait to run a Z28/SS/WS6, I think I might give the stock ones a good run.


you will get your ass handed to you:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkXFFrpVgRQ

I am confident that if we had continued accelerating I would have been a speck in his mirror

you mean he would've been a speck in your mirror, right?

:shifty

I like my beach sand to be less than 50% trash and cig butts. How's life in the McMansion?

LOL are you kidding me? SD beaches got so bad they had to ban drinking and smoking on them!

And btw I love my mcmansion.. I can see and hear the ocean from my bedroom ;)

I cant wait to run a Z28/SS/WS6, I think I might give the stock ones a good run.

I was just in Milwaukee for WEMSA...maybe next year ;);)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkXFFrpVgRQ

I think I need some DRs! :eek:

you mean he would've been a speck in your mirror, right?

:shifty

Is this sarcasm or do you just not realize how much better many chevys are in comparison to many bmws?



I also do not want to hear crap about their interior, our prowess in the twisties, or our roundels on the front and back. This race did not involve twisties, and for the record...... the corvette spanks most of bmw's line up in the twisties also.

Yeah yeah. And I know how the supra owners around here roll....

Autos. =(
well 'round here we roll with 6-speed manuals ;)


If I ever head that way, I may hit you up. Just because hey, I haven't lost to a Supra yet. :redspot
well then this should make for a good race if it ever happens, b/c i haven't lost to anything with an LS motor under the hood yet :devillook


...and no i haven't beaten any C6 Z06's...i've just been lucky enough to not have to race one yet :D

Uh oh....Supra E-Penis Alert!!!


/Mullet Militia Representing <- If you don't get this I will get your Supraforums membership revoked. Ha ha. ;)

Uh oh....Supra E-Penis Alert!!!


hey now, i only whipped out my E-penis in self-defense :stickoutt - look back and you'll notice it was an LS1 owner who pulled out the first E-penis ;) :
If I ever head that way, I may hit you up. Just because hey, I haven't lost to a Supra yet. :redspot




...and while i don't know the "Mullet Militia" jokes through Supraforums (i'm on SF very rarely), i've heard it many times before. and i know its just a stereotype for the most part, but i thoroughly enjoy your sense of humor :D

nevermind

nevermind

By this statement, I am assuming I completely missed the sarcasm in your post? I apologize. Sarcasm is conveyed poorly through text, and is oft-lost on others.

hey now, i only whipped out my E-penis in self-defense :stickoutt - look back and you'll notice it was an LS1 owner who pulled out the first E-penis ;) :


Forgiven..haha...LS1 owners are self absorbed pricks most of the timea and I apologize for most of them. :D

...and while i don't know the "Mullet Militia" jokes through Supraforums (i'm on SF very rarely), i've heard it many times before. and i know its just a stereotype for the most part, but i thoroughly enjoy your sense of humor :D

I was a SF post whore for a while..I still visit to see what Alan is up too with his Lambos, and a few of the other guys. :buttrock

Forgiven..haha...LS1 owners are self absorbed pricks most of the time a and I apologize for most of them. :D
LOL true, granted i don't want anyone to think by mistake that you or i are implying that OMGWTFBODY is one of these "self absorbed pricks," for he certainly is not lol.


...also, while i also know plenty of stand-up Supra owners, i certainly can't say that there are any less self-absorbed Supra owners than Camaro/Firebird/Corvette/GTO owners. i guess any automobile with bragging rights is bound to have a group of owners with big heads haha...oh well.

LOL true, granted i don't want anyone to think by mistake that you or i are implying that OMGWTFBODY is one of these "self absorbed pricks," for he certainly is not lol.


Clearly, somebody is delusional. :nono





:D

That video makes my blood boil... "Corvette motor" bwahaha...its not a Corvette motor..it's a Camaro motor. "Yeah we got a chip that gives it more hp"..."350hp camaro" OK buddy. We don't have 'Chips' and you certainly don't magically gain 50hp with just a tune.

Crazy driver FTW. haha...

I call BS on the entire video. Its probably an LT1 Caprice. An LT1 camaro is about a match for an E30 M3, so if it is a camaro then the officer is giving that M3 alot of room.

plus, since when was 125mph a mind boggling speed?? :devillook

I raced a WS6 Ram Air T/A in my E36 M3 from a stoplight, he got me a little off the line in 1st (low end torque-no replacement for displacement). When I hit 2nd I pulled even, and heard him grabbing gears (1-2-3) as I wound out 2nd and passed him. I hit 3rd and pulled away up to 90mph, then slowed back to the speed limit of 50. I talked to him at a bar, he claimed he beat me off the line, but I told him what I heard and saw. He said he had a '92 300ZX twin turbo that he would beat me in, I offered to meet him and run for $100 but he didn't show.

I raced a WS6 Ram Air T/A in my E36 M3 from a stoplight, he got me a little off the line in 1st (low end torque-no replacement for displacement). When I hit 2nd I pulled even, and heard him grabbing gears (1-2-3) as I wound out 2nd and passed him. I hit 3rd and pulled away up to 90mph, then slowed back to the speed limit of 50. I talked to him at a bar, he claimed he beat me off the line, but I told him what I heard and saw. He said he had a '92 300ZX twin turbo that he would beat me in, I offered to meet him and run for $100 but he didn't show.

Sounds like a bad driver. depending on the year of that TA it should be a drivers race between you. Even with that 300zx....unless he has cranked up the boost on it.

I call BS on the entire video. Its probably an LT1 Caprice. An LT1 camaro is about a match for an E30 M3, so if it is a camaro then the officer is giving that M3 alot of room.

plus, since when was 125mph a mind boggling speed?? :devillook

No, it was a camaro, many state troopers use those as the "chase" cars. However, many cops don't try to ram cars, also on crowded highways, they err on the side of caution. However also I say the kid just had more balls than the cop (i can believe it, how reckless were we at 14/15?).

I agree about 125 mph not being a mind boggling speed, I think we have made ourselves jaded to high speeds at far too young of an age.

Sounds like a bad driver.
Only part I'll agree with. The WS6 shouldn't have a problem with an e36 m3, unless it has quite an extensive mod list, and no, dinan floor mats do not count as a mod.

At best, the m3 might jump out in 1st due to traction issues for the F-body, after that, it should be mullet mobile all the way. LT1 might start to lose a bit of it's steam by 4th gear, but before that, it shouldn't have a problem with our little I6. An LS1...yeah, it would just be uglier.

The 300zx is a decent race, unless it is modified (most are) then it is all in the favor of the Nissan BoatTT.

well 'round here we roll with 6-speed manuals ;)

well then this should make for a good race if it ever happens, b/c i haven't lost to anything with an LS motor under the hood yet :devillook
...and no i haven't beaten any C6 Z06's...i've just been lucky enough to not have to race one yet :D

I just meant none of the Supra owners here will run an Fbody. They're afraid to tarnish the reputation.

I would get pwnt by any turbo MKIV.


Uh oh....Supra E-Penis Alert!!!
/Mullet Militia Representing <- If you don't get this I will get your Supraforums membership revoked. Ha ha. ;)

What's funny... all of the owners in town with fast Supras are banned from Supraforums for speaking the truth.

Forgiven..haha...LS1 owners are self absorbed pricks most of the timea and I apologize for most of them. :D


Only to Mustang owners. We have earned that right. :shifty

I raced a WS6 Ram Air T/A in my E36 M3 from a stoplight, he got me a little off the line in 1st (low end torque-no replacement for displacement). When I hit 2nd I pulled even, and heard him grabbing gears (1-2-3) as I wound out 2nd and passed him. I hit 3rd and pulled away up to 90mph, then slowed back to the speed limit of 50. I talked to him at a bar, he claimed he beat me off the line, but I told him what I heard and saw. He said he had a '92 300ZX twin turbo that he would beat me in, I offered to meet him and run for $100 but he didn't show.

I don't know what you're talking about, but the LS Series is built for higher end torque.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/OMGWTFBODY/PANA0001.jpg

It's ok though, I'm sure a stock E36 can outrun an LS1. :rolleyes

It's ok though, I'm sure a stock E36 can outrun an LS1. :rolleyes

Well duh!!! :shifty


Also, about my post above. If there was no LT1 WS6, I apologize, and then you can disregard that sentence, and refer only to the LS1 part where it will be ugly for the m3. :)

I know that the WS6 has more torque, since it is almost twice the size of the 3.0 M3 motor, but the first three gears in the GM are kinda short, so while he was shifting I was passing. And the OBD1 M3 I was driving had been modified (295hp Autothority Stage 1 kit). My truck has a 6.0 LS1 and it's ok, just not worth the fuel consumption.

I know that the WS6 has more torque, since it is almost twice the size of the 3.0 M3 motor, but the first three gears in the GM are kinda short, so while he was shifting I was passing. And the OBD1 M3 I was driving had been modified (295hp Autothority Stage 1 kit). My truck has a 6.0 LS1 and it's ok, just not worth the fuel consumption.

295bhp or whp? either which way, that part of the "story" should've been listed, since that is a drastic increase over the standard power of an m3.

A LS1 in an F-body (3500+/- lbs) is far different than a LS1 in a Silverado 2500 (anywhere from 2.5tons to 3 tons).

A stock M3 does 0-60 in 5.4 and my modified M3 would do 61 in 2nd. When I used to time my 0-60 runs on my OBC, I'd hit the stop button as I shifted into 3rd. Fastest I could ever do was 5.2. But if it takes .3 -.4 seconds to shift (SMG comparison figures) and can exceed 60 in 2nd, then 4.9 is theoretically possible. All I know was I heard him grab 2nd and 3rd, before I left 2nd gear.

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2148a.shtml

A stock M3 does 0-60 in 5.4 and my modified M3 would do 61 in 2nd. When I used to time my 0-60 runs on my OBC, I'd hit the stop button as I shifted into 3rd. Fastest I could ever do was 5.2. But if it takes .3 -.4 seconds to shift (SMG comparison figures) and can exceed 60 in 2nd, then 4.9 is theoretically possible. All I know was I heard him grab 2nd and 3rd, before I left 2nd gear.

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2148a.shtml

Then he is retarded, because at 6,000 RPM an LS1 with stock gears ( The slow ones) will run to 72 in second.

Third is good for almost 110.

If it was a manual shifting at those points, he needs to diaf.

Well duh!!! :shifty


Also, about my post above. If there was no LT1 WS6, I apologize, and then you can disregard that sentence, and refer only to the LS1 part where it will be ugly for the m3. :)

I know that the WS6 has more torque, since it is almost twice the size of the 3.0 M3 motor, but the first three gears in the GM are kinda short, so while he was shifting I was passing. And the OBD1 M3 I was driving had been modified (295hp Autothority Stage 1 kit). My truck has a 6.0 LS1 and it's ok, just not worth the fuel consumption.

:bs

No such thing as a 6.0 LS1. Is it an LS series or a Vortec?

295bhp or whp? either which way, that part of the "story" should've been listed, since that is a drastic increase over the standard power of an m3.

. Most LS1s drop more than that.

It is the 6.0 Vortec, which is basically a detuned LS1 Gen III motor from what I've read. And the 1997 WS6 had 305 hp/325 ft./lb according to transamworld; my M3's 295 hp was at the wheels on Autothority's dyno.

It is the 6.0 Vortec, which is basically a detuned LS1 Gen III motor from what I've read.


er... It's a detuned iron Gen IV. It's not quite as powerful as the 400 HP LS GEN IV

LS1 = GEN III
LS2 = GEN IV




And the 1997 WS6 had 305 hp/325 ft./lb according to transamworld; my M3's 295 hp was at the wheels on Autothority's dyno.


And the car you're referring to was an LT1, the last year. Which makes it a Gen II. It is not a terribly fast car, but some can run with an LS1 Stock. They run anywhere form a 13.5-14.7 stock depending on the motor and driver.

You ran into a slow one, with a modded M3. That is perfectly believable.


That ought to clear things up. =)

The 1997 WS6 was an LT1 motor, and I raced the ws6 in 1997 in my first M3. Might need to modify my 3.2 if I wanna race a real LS1. Or an E39 M5 oughta work

I knew my truck had an LS based motor, thanks for the correct info.

Hmm...someone needs a lesson in LS1 'Published Numbers'..

You think I make 305HP at the crank?

Hmm...someone needs a lesson in LS1 'Published Numbers'..

You think I make 305HP at the crank?

that would help explain why your car is so slow.

my M3's 295 hp was at the wheels on Autothority's dyno.

Wait, wait. What have you done to put down 295 at wheels? And don't tell me a cam kit.

Unless you have FI, there's no way NA you're putting down 295rwhp.

The strongest NA motor that I know about on here was a guy (now I believe an IP racecar) that used to race his E36 M3 with a fully built motor, was putting right around 270'srwhp.


Do you have a blower under the hood? Also, are your numbers SAE corrected?

that would help explain why your car is so slow.

:lol Holy Crap is all makes sense now!!!

I would get pwnt by any turbo MKIV.
i see...from the moment you asked me if i was down for a race i assumed that you had a fair amount of bolt-ons, or maybe even a cam and a tune, which would undoubtedly give most BPU Supras a run for their money, if not beat some of them. regardless, if you're ever in my neck of the woods, hit me up for sure. btw, what is your car's current state of modification?


I don't know what you're talking about, but the LS Series is built for higher end torque.
but at the same time i think its fair to say that, despite the fact that LS motors were designed for high end torque, they still produce more low end torque than many of the smaller displacement, high compression, high revving motors such as the S50, S52, etc. (and even some smaller V8's, such as the ones found in the later model S4's/RS4's). now whether this most often works out to the advantage of the LSx owner or his opponent is anybody's guess when factoring in traction and driver skill. but the fact remains that there is no replacement for displacement - especially if you're looking for gobs of torque in the low rpm's and a smooth continuous torque curve across the rev-band. in fact i think that's one of the many assets of the LSx motors - the fact that it was designed for high-end torque, but still manages to produce confidence-inspiring amounts of torque in the low rpm's as well...i don't know, maybe i'm more impressed with the LS motors than most simply b/c i've been around small displacement, high compression, high revving motors all my life :D

I don't know if their figures are correct, but here is the article on the Autothority package.
http://www.autothority.com/multimedia/features/motorsports.html

i see...from the moment you asked me if i was down for a race i assumed that you had a fair amount of bolt-ons, or maybe even a cam and a tune, which would undoubtedly give most BPU Supras a run for their money, if not beat some of them. regardless, if you're ever in my neck of the woods, hit me up for sure. btw, what is your car's current state of modification?



but at the same time i think its fair to say that, despite the fact that LS motors were designed for high end torque, they still produce more low end torque than many of the smaller displacement, high compression, high revving motors such as the S50, S52, etc. (and even some smaller V8's, such as the ones found in the later model S4's/RS4's). now whether this most often works out to the advantage of the LSx owner or his opponent is anybody's guess when factoring in traction and driver skill. but the fact remains that there is no replacement for displacement - especially if you're looking for gobs of torque in the low rpm's and a smooth continuous torque curve across the rev-band. in fact i think that's one of the many assets of the LSx motors - the fact that it was designed for high-end torque, but still manages to produce confidence-inspiring amounts of torque in the low rpm's as well...i don't know, maybe i'm more impressed with the LS motors than most simply b/c i've been around small displacement, high compression, high revving motors all my life :D


Judging by your use of common sense, and ability to properly judge a well built engine...


You've been banned from Supraforums, correct? :redspot

And my car is slow as balls.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/OMGWTFBODY/th_BestPass22408.jpg (http://s163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/OMGWTFBODY/?action=view&current=BestPass22408.flv)

I don't know if their figures are correct, but here is the article on the Autothority package.
http://www.autothority.com/multimedia/features/motorsports.html

with only the mods i read in the article thats most definitely bhp not whp.

Judging by your use of common sense, and ability to properly judge a well built engine...You've been banned from Supraforums, correct?* :redspotAnd my car is slow as balls.http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/OMGWTFBODY/th_BestPass22408.jpg (http://s163.photobucket.com/albums/t314/OMGWTFBODY/?action=view&current=BestPass22408.flv)What are you serious or what that video sarcasim. Did you post that to show your modified F body is as fast as a stock like M3?????
*I did an 8.8 1/8th mile when my M3 was stock + exhaust ONLY on 35 series tires in 85 degree heat. I have a slip somewhere, it ended up doing 13.7@100.5. Seems like your 60 sucked.
edit: here's A slip but not my 8.7 or 8.8. When I got my 8.7-8.8 that was with a 1.9 60 ft on 35 series 18" street tires. (over a year ago). Here is a slip with just exhaust/flywheel otherwise bone stock. 2.0-2.1 60ft got me 8.9 1/8ths and an 8.8 occasionally. 1.9's got me 8.7-8.8. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/95ltw/betterquartermile.jpg

with only the mods i read in the article thats most definitely bhp not whp.

+1 Chip, CAI, LTW Flywheel and Cams. Sounds like 250-260whp at best. That even seems like a reach. Usually for cam users to get the 290-300bhp, they need 3.5"hfm and m50 mani also. Not to mention an exhaust.

I don't know if their figures are correct, but here is the article on the Autothority package.
http://www.autothority.com/multimedia/features/motorsports.html

That's crank HP, which makes sense to me now, which would put you right ~240rwhp.

I questioned it when you said 295rwhp NA, that's what caught my eye.

What are you serious or what that video sarcasim. Did you post that to show your modified F body is as fast as a stock like M3?????
*I did an 8.8 1/8th mile when my M3 was stock + exhaust ONLY on 35 series tires in 85 degree heat. I have a slip somewhere, it ended up doing 13.7@100.5. Seems like your 60 sucked.
edit: here's A slip but not my 8.7 or 8.8. When I got my 8.7-8.8 that was with a 1.9 60 ft on 35 series 18" street tires. (over a year ago). Here is a slip with just exhaust/flywheel otherwise bone stock. 2.0-2.1 60ft got me 8.9 1/8ths and an 8.8 occasionally. 1.9's got me 8.7-8.8. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c67/95ltw/betterquartermile.jpg

He just lacks a driver mod...that's all...
This is on a typical F-Body 2.1 60ft and banging the limiter on my 2 to 3 shift. Also... no 'otherwise' bone stock here...literally bone stock.
http://dfw.derbyworks.com:8088/mfba/13.1.jpghttp://dfw.derbyworks.com:8088/mfba/13.2.jpg

He just lacks a driver mod...that's all...
This is on a typical F-Body 2.1 60ft and banging the limiter on my 2 to 3 shift. Also... no 'otherwise' bone stock here...literally bone stock.
http://dfw.derbyworks.com:8088/mfba/13.1.jpghttp://dfw.derbyworks.com:8088/mfba/13.2.jpg

Actually, I think I would do a lot better with some better tires. I think you've just got a slightly less ragged car.

I cut a faster 60' and still ran .15 sec slower than you did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMgeJkCKOTQ

You spun A LOT.... here... (video quality sucks..) this is my 13.1 pass on tires that were on the wear bars...

This pic was taken a couple weeks after my pass...
http://dfw.derbyworks.com:8088/mfba/Winter2.jpg

What kind of tires are you running?

Back in a few, I'm going to make some EGR block off plates for a buddy.

He's putting on Midlengths =(

Those were the original 'QLC' 245/50 R16 Eagle GSCs... (They had about 50,000 miles on them ...)...Now I am running ContactExtremes so I can get around in the snow.

I was just in Milwaukee for WEMSA...maybe next year ;);)

Dont matter, swap still aint done, longest three months of my life. I'm hoping all will be well in a few weeks as I plan on going to the Great Lakes Dragway when it opens in April or May.

I should be in the low 13s like the other euros, but who knows

He just lacks a driver mod...that's all...
This is on a typical F-Body 2.1 60ft and banging the limiter on my 2 to 3 shift. Also... no 'otherwise' bone stock here...literally bone stock.
http://dfw.derbyworks.com:8088/mfba/13.1.jpghttp://dfw.derbyworks.com:8088/mfba/13.2.jpg

Oh I know my friends ran high 12 at 110 with just exhaust and a sick 60. I just didn't understand why he posted a video to show his car is "fast" when he ran similar times to a stock or almost bone stock E36 M3.

Oh I know my friends ran high 12 at 110 with just exhaust and a sick 60. I just didn't understand why he posted a video to show his car is "fast" when he ran similar times to a stock or almost bone stock E36 M3.
More to the opposite. My tires do not like the track. I can put lengths on an S54 on the street, but not the track.

Oh I know my friends ran high 12 at 110 with just exhaust and a sick 60. I just didn't understand why he posted a video to show his car is "fast" when he ran similar times to a stock or almost bone stock E36 M3.

I believe he typed "My car is slow" when he posted the video.

Hold here, let me double check, I think I found the exact quote here:

And my car is slow as balls.

Yep, yep, that looks like he said his car is slow as balls even. Far worse than I initially thought.

I questioned it when you said 295rwhp NA, that's what caught my eye.

Check again. It's not like he made a typo or typical mistake in adding in an extra "R" before "WHP". Nope. He said:

M3's 295 hp was at the wheels on Autothority's dyno.

That's right. He thought this:


The result of this massaging is a dyno-verified rating of 295 hp at 6800 rpm and 268 ft.-lbs of torque at 4500 rpm.


...meant at the wheels.

Let me see:

He claimed his truck has a 6.0 LS1 in it.
He claims to have beaten a WS6 with an E36 M3, but when called on it:
He claims it's not the stock M3 he currently has, but an older M3 he used to own.
He then claims it had an Autothority package with 295 WHP.
He also starts comparing 0-60 times, which most enthusiasts really don't care about, unless bench racing in an argument. What's worse is he estimates his car's 0-60 based off some kind of manual timing:A stock M3 does 0-60 in 5.4 and my modified M3 would do 61 in 2nd. When I used to time my 0-60 runs on my OBC, I'd hit the stop button as I shifted into 3rd. Fastest I could ever do was 5.2. But if it takes .3 -.4 seconds to shift (SMG comparison figures) and can exceed 60 in 2nd, then 4.9 is theoretically possible. All I know was I heard him grab 2nd and 3rd, before I left 2nd gear.
And then he further justifies himself by saying that the WS6 he raced had an LT1 motor.

Why couldn't he have mentioned all of the mods and actual cars involved in his first post about it? Is it because he was trying to make us think that he beat an LS1 car with his current [stock] luxury M3?
I dunno. I've been around these boards for a while now, and my BS meter's needle is getting bent by this one.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1084/forcecat1tl1.jpg

That video makes my blood boil... "Corvette motor" bwahaha...its not a Corvette motor..it's a Camaro motor. "Yeah we got a chip that gives it more hp"..."350hp camaro" OK buddy. We don't have 'Chips' and you certainly don't magically gain 50hp with just a tune.

Crazy driver FTW. haha...

Same engine, hence so many stock Fbodies with 300rwhp+ dyno results.

Oh I know my friends ran high 12 at 110 with just exhaust and a sick 60. I just didn't understand why he posted a video to show his car is "fast" when he ran similar times to a stock or almost bone stock E36 M3.
Gotcha. :cool

Same engine, hence so many stock Fbodies with 300rwhp+ dyno results.

The vid was about the LT1 (305hp crank)..but yeah..same deal... same motor, different oil pan. haha

wow this makes me want an ls1 powered car sooo bad. :-)