I realize that this is not necessarily a Euro conversion...but has anyone tried the e46 m3 engine into a US e36?

gp to the bimmer style and rides section and put in a search, someones doing that right now

Search for crying out loud. I gave you the link in another thread. You can also search for Sias Tuning. Google is your friend.

Wow...What a helpful and friendly forum...Thanks guys...I'll be sure to post more often on here...

Regards,

Has been done a lot of times.

you probably have more succes in the track forum as this swap is staring to be more common for race cars.

Thanks =BA=

Seems that the PRO's have no time for us NewGuys..and so the hell what....
Roger

Its not that we're not friendly, its not that we're Pro's, its not that we don't have time for considering you questions about S54 transplants.

Its simple internet ediquette....

This particular sub-forum was created for discussing the S50B30 and S50B32 engined cars, their engines, and the problems, trivia and such surrounding those particular cars/models that are specific to them.

The guys in the racing forum for example are a real smart bunch of people. They probably have a lot of accumulated knowledge between them. But don't go in there and ask what they think about a set of rims and how they look on a street car. It's not what they gather in that forum to talk about.

Likewise, the people that read and contribute regularly in this forum are expecting visitors to respect that as well.

In this particular case, there is even a SPECIFIC forum geared for transplants. THAT forum my friends is the right place to post, search and find people that may be able to help you.

Alex Lipowich.

(by the way, I've asked a couple times to be able to moderate in here, but I think the powers that be are way to busy to consider my request. This thread would have been a great candidate for a "tow". Then no one's feelings would be hurt, and the rest of us wouldn't have to sift through it all)

Won't see me posting in here again.

PM me for my phone number...

I spend hours talking to people about dropping Euro motors into their cars.... I'm thrilled to talk about that stuff....

It is way, way easier than a putting in an S54....and depending on how much wrenching/fabricating you're capable of, it could be competitive cost-wise as well.

Give me a PM and you'll see how friendly and supportive people are on the euro stuff....

Course, now I'm going to get a bunch of lurker's telling me how crazy I am, and how expensive and stupid dropping a euro into a US car is when turbo, SC or blah blah blah is also an option.....

Alex.

Isn't Rob from UUC doing it too.

Thanks alex - now that last post was helpful and friendly. I may just do that.

The reason I asked the question about the S54 swap is because the S54 has much in common wth the S50B32. As you know the S54 is both a euro motor and a US motor - unlike the second generation M3 vehicles which were equipped with the S50B30US / S50B32US. The S54 may also be (or become) more available over time as more E46 M3s start to make to make it to the recyclers. From my internet reading - yes I can do research - it seams that the S54 will bolt in easlily but the basic problem is the electroncs compatibility. I like the idea of convering to a dual vanos engine - so now it becomes an issue whether the S50B32 or the S54 is more difficult.

I have performed many engine swaps of over the years - was one of the first guys to swap in a Euro M20 engine into a US E30 many years ago before the internet, so all the research was done the old fasion way - phone calls and microfiche. I have also swapped the s50 into my 1994 325is. I do all my own rebuilds and swaps. I am not yet confinced that the S54 will be that much more difficlult that the S50B32 - since they share may of the same electronics chalenges when swaping to a pre OBD II shell. Having said that, I also know from reading this forum and others that the S50B30 engine swap into a 1994 E36 is fairly stratight forward - however, I am not as interesed in performimg that swap - lots of $$ to increase 30-40 hp.

And as far a internet etiquette goes - when I see a new poster in my home (the M3 and the e36 formus) - I welcome him or her. That, my freind is just being a nice human being an it applies not just to the internet.

I would welcome your thoughts regarding the s54 vs s50b32 swaps - since you are the only one that has been the least bit helpful.

Regards,

Won't see me posting in here again.

Yet..

Thanks alex - now that last post was helpful and friendly. I may just do that.

The reason I asked the question about the S54 swap is because the S54 has much in common wth the S50B32. As you know the S54 is both a euro motor and a US motor - unlike the second generation M3 vehicles which were equipped with the S50B30US / S50B32US. The S54 may also be (or become) more available over time as more E46 M3s start to make to make it to the recyclers. From my internet reading - yes I can do research - it seams that the S54 will bolt in easlily but the basic problem is the electroncs compatibility. I like the idea of convering to a dual vanos engine - so now it becomes an issue whether the S50B32 or the S54 is more difficult.

I have performed many engine swaps of over the years - was one of the first guys to swap in a Euro M20 engine into a US E30 many years ago before the internet, so all the research was done the old fasion way - phone calls and microfiche. I have also swapped the s50 into my 1994 325is. I do all my own rebuilds and swaps. I am not yet confinced that the S54 will be that much more difficlult that the S50B32 - since they share may of the same electronics chalenges when swaping to a pre OBD II shell. Having said that, I also know from reading this forum and others that the S50B30 engine swap into a 1994 E36 is fairly stratight forward - however, I am not as interesed in performimg that swap - lots of $$ to increase 30-40 hp.

And as far a internet etiquette goes - when I see a new poster in my home (the M3 and the e36 formus) - I welcome him or her. That, my freind is just being a nice human being an it applies not just to the internet.

I would welcome your thoughts regarding the s54 vs s50b32 swaps - since you are the only one that has been the least bit helpful.

Regards,

BTW, don't bite the hand that feeds. Some are helpful, some are less. Nature of the beast. Stop antigonizing everyone who doesn't give you exactly what you're looking for.

:cop

Isn't Rob from UUC doing it too.

Yes, see the link in my sig to the Bf.c thread.

. Having said that, I also know from reading this forum and others that the S50B30 engine swap into a 1994 E36 is fairly stratight forward - however, I am not as interesed in performimg that swap - lots of $$ to increase 30-40 hp.


30-40hp over what engine? the s50b30 has 286bhp.

Synkro - I have a 1994 e36 with the s50b30US engine. I beleive in stock from it is rated at 240 hp. I have made a few performance improvemenst so my engine may have +10 additional hp or 240+10=250. As you pointed out the s50b30 is rated at 286 hp. 286-250=36. That is how I made my statement "lots of $$ to incease 30-40 hp". It is a rough estimate agreed - but probably in the range.

Synkro - I have a 1994 e36 with the s50b30US engine. I beleive in stock from it is rated at 240 hp. I have made a few performance improvemenst so my engine may have +10 additional hp or 240+10=250. As you pointed out the s50b30 is rated at 286 hp. 286-250=36. That is how I made my statement "lots of $$ to incease 30-40 hp". It is a rough estimate agreed - but probably in the range.

There is no such thing as "S50B30US".

US motors are simply "S50" (the 3.0l) or "S52" (the 3.2l). The do not carry any additional "B" designation whatsoever. Both 240hp, max torque and torque curve different.

Euro E36 M3 motors are simply "S50B30" or "S50B32" (3.0l and 3.2l respectively, 286hp and 321hp).

Good idea to be clear on that to avoid this kind of confusion in the discussion.

- Rob

Personal cylinder count, TB index.... awesome Rob...... too funny. Just noticed this in your note....

Can I count the euro's in my warehouse? hehehehhehe

I have several customers who have done the S50B30 swap out of M50 or M52 cars, (not to mention 4 bangers of single or multithrottle design).

To a person, the shift to an S50B30 is not just about 30 to 40 HP. You lose the hydraulic lifters, you raise the rpm, you get an active cam, you bump the compression, you get HUGE bearings, you get a true cylinder head that can actually breath, you get the mulitiple throttlebodies, you get a metal valve cover, you get SEXY headers, you get an oil manifold set up for a proper oil cooler, you stay with motronic that can be reprogrammed easily, you get sexy ceramic insulaters between cylinder head and TB assembly, you get half of a Mclaren engine for g-ds sakes...

OK, I went overboard on the last one, but you get the picture.

Personal cylinder count, TB index.... awesome Rob...... too funny. Just noticed this in your note....

Can I count the euro's in my warehouse? hehehehhehe

:lol You can only count registered and insured cars.

- Rob

Can I count the euro's in my warehouse? hehehehhehe


How many do you have? I'm toying with doing a long term project putting together a D-Mod car or a sub 3.0 Auto-X car, either way, I'm thinking de-stroked Euro.

Not to get too far off topic, but the S50 B32 I got from you has been performing great. I ran the car at Willow Springs 2/9-10 without a hitch. Then I ran it this past weekend at a local CCA Auto X and had the top BMW time of the day... I was actually surprised because I had a hard time keeping the rear end in check with the extra power. :buttrock

Cheers.

Check out Chuck Stickley's E36 with 440hp S54... OMG!

What is the half-life on that?

Reminds me of the movie Blade Runner:

Tyrell: The light that burns twice as bright burns for half as long and you have burned so very, very brightly Roy. Look at you, you're the prodigal son, you're quite a prize.

Alex.....

(I try hard to keep at least a couple of each model euro in stock. I have nice ones of each currently, and more coming since I have tire-kickers on the 3.2 I have sitting here... hello there Kim..... still hoping you'll be getting this one!)

Synkro - I have a 1994 e36 with the s50b30US engine. I beleive in stock from it is rated at 240 hp. I have made a few performance improvemenst so my engine may have +10 additional hp or 240+10=250. As you pointed out the s50b30 is rated at 286 hp. 286-250=36. That is how I made my statement "lots of $$ to incease 30-40 hp". It is a rough estimate agreed - but probably in the range.

if you will drive one, you woldn't say that there are only 30-40hp :D

and M3 Euro LTW mentioned some VERY good reasons to upgrade to this engine.
plus that the s50b32 is known for having some problems with the double vanos, and more difficult to troubleshoot.


btw... my car is for sale right now. but i'm from europe :devillook