I've been well aware of the 1999-2001 Bentley Arnage Green Label running a Cosworth-BMW twin turbo 4.4 L M62 engine for quite a while. I researched this several years ago, but came up frustrated when I couldn't find specs anywhere.

Well, I took another SWAG at this a few nights back and came up with considerably more information.

First, the 1999 Bentley Arnage had two Honeywell-Garrett GT1752S. The Bentley part numbers for these turbos are:

PB20321PH - Right hand turbo/manifold. BMW engine.
PB20320PH - Left hand turbo/manifold. BMW engine.

The Garrett turbo code on these turbos is:

452238-0003
452237-0003

The Bentley turbo part number appears to be a turbo/manifold combination from a number of sources. I have gotten pricing on these turbo/manifold combos through some speciality classic restoration shops. We're looking at around $2,500 for a single manifold/turbo combo. Unfortunatley, the passenger side (right) manifold is more difficult to obtain.

After a full week, I have been unable to get a single photo or diagram of the manifold/turbo to ensure so much as rough fitment possibilities. I have not gotten desperate enough to purchase the manifold for the purposes of measurements (and mouldings should a fit be eminent).

Maybe someone can leverage these data points for a future build. Or, more likely, the M60/M62/S62 will remain virgin V8s never seeing the world of BIG BOOST save unlikely HPF S62 TT :devillook.

GT17 hehe


Might be better off with some K03 action :)

too bad one can't just grab the manifold for cheap. at least it appears that one can obtain a mani. fitment remains to be seen. now who's got 2k to spare for this????

Any reason why Jon V./666 Fab can't weld some up?

My slushboxed nikasil E34 530i is about to die and is a organ donor for future FI project, but I need a lot of machinery to make all those custom parts I need to build it the way I want, the potential of the engine is awesome, but it's plagued by very few aftermarket parts.
Either you pay custom made stuff or you machine stuff from scratch or from other existing parts, time consuming...yes.
But IMO a screaming V8 is just too addictive.

Those manifolds are designed for the Bently engine bay, rather than the E39 or E34 bay. Considering the size difference in the cars, they probably wouldn't clear.

someone needs to do it

Those manifolds are designed for the Bently engine bay, rather than the E39 or E34 bay. Considering the size difference in the cars, they probably wouldn't clear.

and since it's damn near impossible to get pics, diagrams or dimensions ANYWHERE, the only way to really know is to buy one and try it. i have found a source for $2500/each... turbo and manifold!!!

http://wallpaperblog.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/bentley_anarge_engine_bay_1024.jpg

I am just going to throw a whipple on top of my M62 and call it a day.:devillook

I am just going to throw a whipple on top of my M62 and call it a day.:devillook
You're about the 3rd person to say that... nobody ever finishes though.

All I can say is... DO IT!

Why not just make a simple log manifold with a T25 flange and put two GT2560Rs or two GT2860Rs depending on your budget.

It should be very possible to fit that turbo up close to the block with a log mani, and two GT2560Rs would cost about $1.4k brand new and support about 550-600 rwhp and the compressors actually fit the M62 engine very well.

Internal wastegate, so no worries about packaging an external(or having to buy one), and you only need 2.5" intake tubes and 2" compressor outlet tubes, so relatively easy to package. Then blow through MAF and some sort of tuning. Shouldn't be too hard to crack the DME of an E34, so maybe some 36 lb/hr injectors.

It would be a pretty involved project, but I don't think it has any steps I'd call "impossible."

Why not just make a simple log manifold with a T25 flange and put two GT2560Rs or two GT2860Rs depending on your budget.

It should be very possible to fit that turbo up close to the block with a log mani, and two GT2560Rs would cost about $1.4k brand new and support about 550-600 rwhp and the compressors actually fit the M62 engine very well.

Internal wastegate, so no worries about packaging an external(or having to buy one), and you only need 2.5" intake tubes and 2" compressor outlet tubes, so relatively easy to package. Then blow through MAF and some sort of tuning. Shouldn't be too hard to crack the DME of an E34, so maybe some 36 lb/hr injectors.

It would be a pretty involved project, but I don't think it has any steps I'd call "impossible."

Need a donor 540i/6?:)

You're about the 3rd person to say that... nobody ever finishes though.

All I can say is... DO IT!

How about if gotpsi fabs up a mani/aftercooler for the whipple?

it's the closest thing i've seen to a turbo manifold for the e34/e39. maybe someone can fab one for less than 2500? problem is that nobody wants to drop 2500 test fitting parts.

I am just going to throw a whipple on top of my M62 and call it a day.:devillook

I offered to make a TS kit for M60/M62, but can't find any local people who have a blown V8 that I can use for mock up purposes. I'd pretty much design the kit for free, and if the person who was interested wanted to pursue the project, they would just have to pay for materials/machining/parts costs.

In essence, the hardware is the easy part. The hard part is going to be finding someone who can tune it.

Regards,
Joe

I offered to make a TS kit for M60/M62, but can't find any local people who have a blown V8 that I can use for mock up purposes. I'd pretty much design the kit for free, and if the person who was interested wanted to pursue the project, they would just have to pay for materials/machining/parts costs.

In essence, the hardware is the easy part. The hard part is going to be finding someone who can tune it.

Regards,
Joe

Tuning is the easy part for me.I have an obd1 M62 and have a tuner(034 Motorsport) who can burn me a new custom chip(street+Mustang dyno) for $600.The main deal is the fabing of the mani/aftercooler.Sorry to hijack a turbo thread.

Tuning is the easy part for me.I have an obd1 M62 and have a tuner(034 Motorsport) who can burn me a new custom chip(street+Mustang dyno) for $600.The main deal is the fabing of the mani/aftercooler.Sorry to hijack a turbo thread.

Now, just find me a blown V8 that I can use for mock up.

Does it have to be in the car. The shop swaping my motor this week has one lying a round and when i go tomorrow i will ask them about it.
Let me know. However, if they have one will you pay for shipping to you?

Rito

we, aceperformancesystems.com, are working on a kits for M60/62/Tu, and N62/62Tu as we speak.

Probably see some more solid information about it around the end of this year realistically.

Intercooled twinscrew

Does it have to be in the car. The shop swaping my motor this week has one lying a round and when i go tomorrow i will ask them about it.
Let me know. However, if they have one will you pay for shipping to you?

Rito

For initial design purposes, no, I don't need a car. But eventually I'll need a local person who would be willing to beta test the kit. If they have a blown/damaged engine they'd be willing to let go for free, I'd definitely consider paying shipping.

Regards,
Joe

Need a donor 540i/6?:)

hah - I'm not wanting to do one, but I helped a friend who wanted to waste my time with his "dreams" of going FI on his E39 540i/6.

If you mounted the turbos up high enough it looks like you could even use gravity for the oil drain and not a pump.

we, aceperformancesystems.com (http://aceperformancesystems.com), are working on a kits for M60/62/Tu, and N62/62Tu as we speak.

Probably see some more solid information about it around the end of this year realistically.

Intercooled twinscrew

Very interesting.Could you please inform us who Ace Performance is.I checked the website,but found little info about products or personnel.Thanks

What a great debate: turbo M62 vs. T/S M62!.:redspot

Go for the twin screw. The boost with my whipple is basically instant.

Very interesting.Could you please inform us who Ace Performance is.I checked the website,but found little info about products or personnel.Thanks

We do custom work on the east coast here, mostly custom FI. We have several accounts with the best parts distributors for these cars. We are MAs HPF dealer as well.

We have a lot of experience within the BMW racing world, in both sales and service. BMW Master Techs - turned BMW instructors, etc.

Sorry to steal a portion of this thread. Once we have more info we will notify. Just wanted to acknowledge the "twin screw" dream becoming a reality.

Any V8 FI news is great(we have so little).Thanks for the heads up.I will be selling my CF if this comes to fruition.I am tired of hitting real boost from 5k-6k only.The natural torque of my V8 is just barely enough to keep me happy.And if we can also get a turbo kit,more power to us.:buttrock

which motor is in the e60 545i?

which motor is in the e60 545i?

N62B44. 4.4L

doh!

Can I hear some ideas of a top mount single turbo? Ideas on setup, manifold, turbo, etc...

Ya, why not just a decent cast log manifold. 3.2ls make 450rwhp on them all day long.

Ya, why not just a decent cast log manifold. 3.2ls make 450rwhp on them all day long.

Because with V8=X2.And also precious and little real estate under the hood.

Very interesting.Could you please inform us who Ace Performance is.I checked the website,but found little info about products or personnel.Thanks


Ditto. Even their contact form doesn't work. No pics no nothing there. Sorry.

Ditto. Even their contact form doesn't work. No pics no nothing there. Sorry.

The website is work in progress guys,
sorry.

We are working on putting a ton of info on there referencing our current project right now (a stage 3+ build on one of discovery automotives super cars).
We are also the only HPF dealer for MA.

I am working on the contact form right now, because I see it is displaying charecters in white.

if you need to get in touch with us for the time being, use

nick at aceperformancesystems dot com

The website is work in progress guys,
sorry.

We are working on putting a ton of info on there referencing our current project right now (a stage 3+ build on one of discovery automotives super cars).
We are also the only HPF dealer for MA.

I am working on the contact form right now, because I see it is displaying charecters in white.

if you need to get in touch with us for the time being, use

nick at aceperformancesystems dot com

IF you are working with D/A and HPF,I'm in.:)

IF you are working with D/A and HPF,I'm in.:)

Once all the info is up and available, I think you guys will be pleasantly surprised.

Contact form for some reason inputs in white characters. I am working on it now.

Things remain to be seen.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857023&highlight=540+turbo

bump, someone drop 2k on those for a test fit ;)

Ya, why not just a decent cast log manifold. 3.2ls make 450rwhp on them all day long.

If casting is too difficult then one could machine a log style exh manifold from a couple of pieces of low carbon, steel bar, maybe 2x2.5 inches each and then weld them together after machining out the interior to match the exh ports and the internal passage(s) and make a provision to mount the turbo directly on it.

This is nothing new, someone has already done it for a 6 cyl. It's a very easy way to go in comparison to tube style headers and the best part is that it would mount very close to the cyl head where tube headers can not. This allows it to fit into a very tight place in the engine compartment.

http://wallpaperblog.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/bentley_anarge_engine_bay_1024.jpg

This isn't the Bi-Turbo M62 its the single turbo 6.75 pushrod engine from the Red Label. I've studied the turbos on the Green Label M62 for the same reason and it wont be worth it cuz like you said its a one piece design and the turbos are freakin tiny and even if you try to make it into a Disco Potato, the exhaust side is just too small. I was thinking of just swapping the whole engine into a 540 or something but at only 350 BHP it just not worth it and also the induction/charge cooler system just wont fit under the hood of BMW. I'll try to get some measurements the next time one shows up at work but we don't see them much anymore as they are considered the shitboxes of the Bentley world and if they do show up its usually from an independant shop that got themselves into trouble trying to fix them.

ditto. thats what i was going to say. anyone in norcal want to ginneapig for tt my car?

i had a 00 540 6spd with vf kit , but upgrade the pulley to run 9psi right now.water injection .do you guy know any one can retune the soft ware in ca san jose area.? car dynoe make 331whp with 6psi.as right now i run 9psi i havent re dynoe yet

Lets keep this thread going..

For initial design purposes, no, I don't need a car. But eventually I'll need a local person who would be willing to beta test the kit. If they have a blown/damaged engine they'd be willing to let go for free, I'd definitely consider paying shipping.

Regards,
Joe

Lets talk. Im in NJ. Im off Exit 4 / NJ Turnpike. I have a M60 (same input design as M62). I also have an S62 to arrive in the next few weeks. I want to build an S62 based OBDI TS E38. Lets put our heads together and make this happen. I would be willing to pull the engine and provide on my project car and let you use it for R&D. I also have a engineering background and can provide AutoCAD dwg shop drawings to your machinist or mine. PM me and we can talk more.

Ideas Im looking at:

http://www.myhps.com/index.php?src=gendocs&link=commercial

http://www.mechtech-ms.com/images/gallery/hps3.jpg
http://www.myhps.com/clientuploads/_photos/_9/_116.jpg


http://www.myhps.com/clientuploads/_photos/_11/_177.jpg
http://www.myhps.com/clientuploads/_photos/_11/_192.jpg

Why couldn't guys like this leave near me. I have so much that i want to do but i can't buy somewhere to work with me. LOL.
Great plan and I hope it all works out for you guys

Yikes!!Justin is back from the dead.How have you been and what is new?I would be very open to T/S V8.

Yikes!!Justin is back from the dead.How have you been and what is new?I would be very open to T/S V8.

You'd certainly be open to talking about it.

Yikes!!Justin is back from the dead.How have you been and what is new?I would be very open to T/S V8.

Well. I finally got ahead of the financial shit wave that had me in the pipe. Im ready to start making some decent moves, this time with my own skin in the game. Lets make the TS V8 happen. I have the time, the finances, and the project E38 sittin in my back yard. Partnering with someone who knows what they are doing sounds like a winning game plan to me.

:buttrock

You'd certainly be open to talking about it.

I have re-read our tet on tets several times man in my more ambitious posts. You really have a good case for turbocharging an M60 series block. I have given this much thought and would be open to exploring both alternatives, but as far as turbo goes, I have alot to learn from someoe such as yourself.

I know you can convert a 97-98 M62 to OBD1, but I haven't heard of anyone doing such a thing to a S62 because of the lack of vanos control in the 404 DME.

For turbo manifolds, I have no idea how much space is in the respective bays of the motors, but this link was interesting.

http://www.airpowersystems.com/g8/g8_itt.htm

I know you can convert a 97-98 M62 to OBD1, but I haven't heard of anyone doing such a thing to a S62 because of the lack of vanos control in the 404 DME.

For turbo manifolds, I have no idea how much space is in the respective bays of the motors, but this link was interesting.

http://www.airpowersystems.com/g8/g8_itt.htm


I have already done the M62 conversion to OBDI. I think I can do it to the S62 as well. Based on my recollection. VANOS can be locked. Toying also with putting M60 heads on the S62 since they are both double chain timing cases if I cant get S62 heads working .

Justin,might try PMing Nico5spd.They are aslo working on T/S for our V8s.I also have a fabricator/racing shop in Hat Racing in San Rafael,Ca.He would love to put a whipple on top of my M62,but one-offs are too expensive.

Bump for keeping this going! It's nice finding threads that give me shivers down my spine!

Obviously other than making it easier to tune, how hard is it convert a 98 m62 from OBDII to OBDI...like is it worth it for me to do that in the meantime while the turbo/ts kits are being developed?

Bump for keeping this going! It's nice finding threads that give me shivers down my spine!

Obviously other than making it easier to tune, how hard is it convert a 98 m62 from OBDII to OBDI...like is it worth it for me to do that in the meantime while the turbo/ts kits are being developed?

I just ordered an engine for mockup,
Our setup is planned for M62TU engines, which is 99+ 4.4L OBD2 variants. We are also incorporating some components to allow the kit to be retrofitted to N62 (new generation with valvetronic) v8s as well. Unfortunately we are not sure of the market capability for earlier cars. Most of these cars before 99 have de-valued so far, nobody would really be interested in spending $ on a kit - maybe a one off.

Expect some information this winter.

Jesus christ :( Typical.......

The 99-01's aren't worth much more either, have you seen Craigslist lately? Honestly, I think there is gonna be just as big, if not more, because those 'cheaper' cars are all being scooped up by the newbies that are all over these boards now. I don't see nearly as many familiar people posting because nothing has happened for these cars lately - we NEED this! Besides, the M62 has no VANOS, larger MAF and intake runners and are typically known to have more HP than quoted. Wouldn't not having VANOS an more flow make it all that much easier to tune and get braggable HP numbers from? M60's are in the early 90's cars and 4.0's, so I can see not including those...I think your killing easily half your market by not doing the M62 4.4 non-VANOS.

My .02, and I'm sure I speak for plenty on these boards...plenty.

what the hell man? can see not including the m60? wtf! :)

Sorry bro :(, I know you're one of the OG's of the E34 M60, but I'm sure you probably know how to mock and make your own kit 10x better than I ever could. VF forgot about us w/ their stage 2 kit, and I'd love to see a TS on my motor. I had one in my V6 Tacoma, it was like a whole nother rig. The only other option I'd got w/ if this doesn't pan out is something like an STS setup like done above.

unfortunately my fabricating prowess is a bit lacking... I wish I could build my own kit. That being said, I completely understand why we get left out. It's a simple #'s game. Oh well.

Well, i guess the concentration will be on the OBD2 stuff - but if you really think about it, hardware wise there wont be much difference guys.

We do a lot of one off stuff here so this is what we are starting with.

yea i don't see what the issue will be with the earlier e39's? Won't everything be the same but the tuning? Pardon the ignorance.

Well, i guess the concentration will be on the OBD2 stuff - but if you really think about it, hardware wise there wont be much difference guys.

We do a lot of one off stuff here so this is what we are starting with.
Great as all I need is the hardware.I have the non vanos OBD1 tuning covered.

how different in size is the e39 engine bay compared to the e34? Will that cause fitment issues?

how different in size is the e39 engine bay compared to the e34? Will that cause fitment issues?

A T/S+ intercooler-mani is going to sit on top of the engine.

A T/S+ intercooler-mani is going to sit on top of the engine.

I imagine there is not much room on top w/o cutting or bulging the hood. Some of the fast, boosted 4 bangers put their cooler on top but the car was designed for that.

I imagine there is not much room on top w/o cutting or bulging the hood. Some of the fast, boosted 4 bangers put their cooler on top but the car was designed for that.

We are trying to design this so that it fits within the stock intake manifold area - along with the factory throttlebody mount.

[QUOTE=Nico5spd;13474314]We are trying to design this so that it fits within the stock intake manifold area QUOTE]

Yes I understand but then what happens to the intake manifold?

[QUOTE=Nico5spd;13474314]We are trying to design this so that it fits within the stock intake manifold area QUOTE]

Yes I understand but then what happens to the intake manifold?

Completely replaced with a new one - with integrated air to water heat exchanger to control discharge temp.

Pictures? Drawings?

I imagine there is not much room on top w/o cutting or bulging the hood. Some of the fast, boosted 4 bangers put their cooler on top but the car was designed for that.

Kleeman(like).

Pictures? Drawings?

Well i dont have my engine yet to see exactly how the belt drive is going to work, but think GTO Magnacharger style.

Here is a link to a pic from their website. I hope it is ok for me to post it.

http://www.magnacharger.com/images/lowres/Pontiac%20GTO/GTO-Photo-6.gif

Well i dont have my engine yet to see exactly how the belt drive is going to work, but think GTO Magnacharger style.

Here is a link to a pic from their website. I hope it is ok for me to post it.

http://www.magnacharger.com/images/lowres/Pontiac%20GTO/GTO-Photo-6.gif

I have this plan in my head. But the UK is sparse to say the least with tuners for the M6X.

Anyone know if the M62 and M60 share the same inlet manifold etc? Gaskets wise and things like that? i have a spare inlte manifold that I'm wanting to get made up in alloy with an eaton mount for the top. It won't be intercooled unless i can get a laminar (I think this is what it's called) cooler mounted in there somewhere (Jag supercharger inlet setup looks like what I want, but the inlets are the wrong shape. PLUS I don't know the length of the nose and placement.

Would it matter if the charger was mounted offset ie: more towards the front or rear of the inlet manifold?

Will the intercooler really add that much difference to the pinging/comp ratio? I know the rotrex etc are using it on a stock engine, so CR would roughly be the same as mine.. 10:1?

I need more power! Plus I'll be the only e30 touring with an FI V8 in it (so far!)

Intercooler will cool the charge, but air to water will make intake air temp more consistent. This is important.

If i can't fit an exchanger under the blower - i wont even bother fooling around with this.

Intakes should swap.

Intercooler will cool the charge, but air to water will make intake air temp more consistent. This is important.

If i can't fit an exchanger under the blower - i wont even bother fooling around with this.

Intakes should swap.

I don't mind cutting a hole in my hood.:evil2

Well, i guess the concentration will be on the OBD2 stuff - but if you really think about it, hardware wise there wont be much difference guys.

We do a lot of one off stuff here so this is what we are starting with.

I'm not so worried about the hardware....just about any decent shop can weld. I have no clue about software, piggybacks, etc...that's my issue.

how different in size is the e39 engine bay compared to the e34? Will that cause fitment issues?

Not sure really. It seems like the E39 is a little bigger, but it's also more rounded out. You see that thread I made about a local shop here in Boise that did a single turbo and tuned it using a Unichip piggyback? There was plenty of room.

I imagine there is not much room on top w/o cutting or bulging the hood. Some of the fast, boosted 4 bangers put their cooler on top but the car was designed for that.

:lol Your kidding right? I thought you were a car guy?! Go look under the hood of any standard F150, then go look under the hood of a Lightning....same concept. Of course the plastic intake plenum gets replaced, hence why this type of supercharger is called plenum mount S/C. Sandwiching a water to air intercooler is nothing new, it's just hopefully finally being adapted for our use.

While I think a turbo might give more hp and sound cooler w/ that blowoff valve, but a TS is instant power. My fingers are crossed!

Not sure really. It seems like the E39 is a little bigger, but it's also more rounded out. You see that thread I made about a local shop here in Boise that did a single turbo and tuned it using a Unichip piggyback? There was plenty of room.

haven't seen it... but i'm now searching.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11000247&posted=1#post11000247

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857023&highlight=540+turbo

There is another thread on the 7 boards, but these I copy and pasted from the 2nd page of this thread that someone else actually put up showing my previous threads. I've got a dyno sheet for it to.

Shouldnt aa ts made for the m62 fit on a m60? i hear of people with m62 swapping out their intake manifold for m60 intake manifold for more power because of the larger plenum. in fact the older m62s have the same part number as the m60 manifolds.

so i would think they would fit right?

I can't speak for the M60 because I've never seen one off, but to correct your statement....its the M62TU guys that can swap the M62 manifold due to it having larger intake runners. M62TU guys also have a smaller TB and MAF, but not all can be swapped.

M62TU's have drive-by-wire, so no TB swap unfortunately.

The MAF sensor itself between the 2 cars is also different, but you can swap the M62TU sensor into the M62 tube and give yourself a cheap $$Dinan$$ mod. Their MAF tube is an aluminum version of the stock M62 tube w/ the same diameter, hence why they only it as a mod for the M62TU....hmmmmm.

Between the larger TB, MAF and intake runners, that is why I think any S/C manufacturers are shooting themselves in the foot for not doing the M62...its capable of larger numbers, plain and simple - w/o the VANOS problems and extra tuning required.

I can't speak for the M60 because I've never seen one off, but to correct your statement....its the M62TU guys that can swap the M62 manifold due to it having larger intake runners. M62TU guys also have a smaller TB and MAF, but not all can be swapped.

M62TU's have drive-by-wire, so no TB swap unfortunately.

The MAF sensor itself between the 2 cars is also different, but you can swap the M62TU sensor into the M62 tube and give yourself a cheap $$$ mod. Their MAF tube is an aluminum version of the stock M62 tube w/ the same diameter, hence why they only it as a mod for the M62TU....hmmmmm.

Between the larger TB, MAF and intake runners, that is why I think any S/C manufacturers are shooting themselves in the foot for not doing the M62...its capable of larger numbers, plain and simple - w/o the VANOS problems and extra tuning required.

Agree with everything,but as you know it is a numbers game,pure and simple.My only option on my Dinan kit was custom.

I can only hope they come around....

Hey Nico, i'm not sure what your association is w/ EuroMelee, but you seem to plug the site a lot. Tell Andy I said hey......and make a kit for the M62...maybe his dad would like one ;) C'mon bro :alright

[QUOTE=m5james;13482921Your kidding right? I thought you were a car guy?! QUOTE]

Actually no, I'm not kidding.

Well like I said bro, go check out pics of a standard F150, then find some pics of a Lightning motor.

You can go find them yourself. I don't give a rat's butt about what is happening inside the engine bay of a large p/u truck.

I was talking about the clearance to the hood of a 540, even if someone mounted a blower on top of the intercooler, similiar to what the new 625 hp Corvette set-up.

Until someone measures the clearance under the hood of a 540 we will not know for sure.

:eatpop:

I can't speak for the M60 because I've never seen one off, but to correct your statement....its the M62TU guys that can swap the M62 manifold due to it having larger intake runners. M62TU guys also have a smaller TB and MAF, but not all can be swapped.

M62TU's have drive-by-wire, so no TB swap unfortunately.

The MAF sensor itself between the 2 cars is also different, but you can swap the M62TU sensor into the M62 tube and give yourself a cheap $$$ mod. Their MAF tube is an aluminum version of the stock M62 tube w/ the same diameter, hence why they only it as a mod for the M62TU....hmmmmm.

Between the larger TB, MAF and intake runners, that is why I think any S/C manufacturers are shooting themselves in the foot for not doing the M62...its capable of larger numbers, plain and simple - w/o the VANOS problems and extra tuning required.

I've got both M60 and M62 inlet manifolds and they are the same. Only difference is the M60 has a different pipe that goes to the rear cooling system and a cable throttle. Otherwise they are pretty much identical.

Good to know. That means any of the guys w/ 99-01 cars can use any M60 and up-to 98 M62 manifolds as a simple intake upgrade. It'll take away from some of the bottom end power, but around 3500 it'll make a nice difference. Software afterwards is your choice, and if this is your only intake mod short of a cone filter, then this is about the only time i'd recommend $$Dinan$$ since they're software is supposedly tailored for this exact mod.

Bump for a good thread......you reconsidered Nico?

My mockup is arriving any day now.

M62TUB44. Hopefully we should have something by spring of next year. we dont work TOO fast over here...

I'd offer my car as a tester, but since i've cracked open the motor, the tune it'd take would be completely different than any other M62....anyone local wanna offer up a car for a testing and maybe Nico and his boys can give ya a price break ;)

I'd offer my car as a tester, but since i've cracked open the motor, the tune it'd take would be completely different than any other M62....anyone local wanna offer up a car for a testing and maybe Nico and his boys can give ya a price break ;)

I have a 4.6iS X5 that i can use - BUT those cars have transmission problems stock.....

I've been looking at an E53 X5 in either 3.0 to turbo and 4.4 to do a standard S/C....replacement for the gf's bucket. What's wrong w/ the trannies though, they all use the same one right, yet you mentioned the 4.6 in particular.

BTW....M62....ftw :) Dooooo it!

I've been looking at an E53 X5 in either 3.0 to turbo and 4.4 to do a standard S/C....replacement for the gf's bucket. What's wrong w/ the trannies though, they all use the same one right, yet you mentioned the 4.6 in particular.

BTW....M62....ftw :) Dooooo it!

The 4.6 is known for poor shifting quality, etc. They kinda overkilled the overlap shift control concept on it. Very aggressive. I guess we will see :)

im saying taking a ford lightning supercharger that can be had pretty cheap and making a manifold to adapt it for the original plastic manifold

Seems to me like the biggest hurdle is tuning the DME...hardware configuration is (relatively) straight forward assuming you can weld and fabricate. That said, I've never seen what kind of clearance there is in a 540 engine bay :/

Seems to me like the biggest hurdle is tuning the DME...hardware configuration is (relatively) straight forward assuming you can weld and fabricate. That said, I've never seen what kind of clearance there is in a 540 engine bay :/

I'm trying to see if the jag supercharged V8 blower/cooler setup will fit. Looks identical to the BMW M60, bar a few llittle differences. Inlet ports look very much the same, just have to get them side by side.

ECU, not sure-Piggy back module??

In my E30, the cover sits squashed slightly against the underbonnet panelling. 540 should have more room.

I've got both M60 and M62 inlet manifolds and they are the same. Only difference is the M60 has a different pipe that goes to the rear cooling system and a cable throttle. Otherwise they are pretty much identical.

Good to know. That means any of the guys w/ 99-01 cars can use any M60 and up-to 98 M62 manifolds as a simple intake upgrade. It'll take away from some of the bottom end power, but around 3500 it'll make a nice difference. Software afterwards is your choice, and if this is your only intake mod short of a cone filter, then this is about the only time i'd recommend $$$ since they're software is supposedly tailored for this exact mod.

Shouldnt a ts(twinscrew) made for the m62 fit on a m60? i hear of people with m62 swapping out their intake manifold for m60 intake manifold for more power because of the larger plenum. in fact the older m62s have the same part number as the m60 manifolds.

so i would think they would fit right?

isn't this what i was just saying??? hahaha no credit its cool.

sorry bro, I don't remember you ever saying anything. As you can see, i'm the first to give kudos when cool things are found out.

Look what showed up at work today if anyone is interested. 99 Bentley Arnage Green Label with a Twin Turbo Non-Vanos M62 350 HP/ ZF 5HP-30 trans. Here are some pics of the top of the engine with charge-cooler pluming.



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Here are the exhaust/turbo pics. Its really tight in there so it might be hard to make out the pics.


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Thanks for the pics.But only 350 hp?WTF?

GT17 turbos, whatdya expect outta those?

GT17 turbos, whatdya expect outta those?

That's right with no potential for upgrading. I want to turn the boost up on one of these so bad but I just can't find a client that's game. Hmm I wonder why. These motors are bullet proof and very smooth and reliable, they just don't break. The car is a piece of shit but the drivetrain is built like a truck.

Nice! 99 and non-VANOS...I thought VANOS started in 99. Either way, still cool to see how much is so similar...throttle brackets, cooling system overflow,etc. Is it safe to assume it's the stock compression and HG as a regular 540/740?

That's right with no potential for upgrading. I want to turn the boost up on one of these so bad but I just can't find a client that's game. Hmm I wonder why. These motors are bullet proof and very smooth and reliable, they just don't break. The car is a piece of shit but the drivetrain is built like a truck.

Do they have the same notorious MAF, CPS and cooling system problems we do? What tranny is in them, cause I don't know if i'd call the 540/740 auto tranny as bulletproof.

GT17 turbos, whatdya expect outta those?

More than 30hp.:eek:

Stock is 282, so that's about 70...still, for dual though, that is weak sauce.

Cosworth put forged 8.5:1 pistons in em, everything else is the same. Have no idea how much boost its running either, Bentley is real tight lipped about stuff like that. Its got the ZF 5HP-30 5-speed trans behind it. Heven't seen one break yet but at only 350HP it probably wont. Haven't seen any cooling system issues yet either but these cars have low mileage. The highest I've seen is 60k miles and by then the freakin car is falling apart.

Stock is 282, so that's about 70...still, for dual though, that is weak sauce.
That is actually not true on some M62's with larger non vanos intakes.

Stock from what the factory says I meant...I know, they've been known "to be stronger", hence why I specifically got a 98. Stupid thing, which is just me being a typically arrogant BMW owner ;) is that I almost feel like explaining to people why it's a 98 when they ask LOL....I know, it's dumb :P

Cosworth put forged 8.5:1 pistons in em, everything else is the same. Have no idea how much boost its running either, Bentley is real tight lipped about stuff like that. Its got the ZF 5HP-30 5-speed trans behind it. Heven't seen one break yet but at only 350HP it probably wont. Haven't seen any cooling system issues yet either but these cars have low mileage. The highest I've seen is 60k miles and by then the freakin car is falling apart.


What is the stock compression on an M62? You'd think I know this by heart....punish me now I guess :(

I want to turn the boost up on one of these so bad but I just can't find a client that's game. Hmm I wonder why. These motors are bullet proof and very smooth and reliable, they just don't break.

All you need is a little bit of detonation and your engine is in pieces, literally. Broken pistons is most likely, then comes bent rods. You can't just dial up the boost to more than 6-7 psi without taking other precautions.

All you need is a little bit of detonation and your engine is in pieces. You can't just dial up the boost to more than 6-7 psi without taking other precautions.


Oh yeah I know that. The car actually still has the BMW mushroom diagnostic connector in the engine compartment apart from the OBD2 one in the car so its probably possible to do some software tuning on it. I just wish someone would donate their Green Label to science, I'd take it over to ICS to see if they could work their software magic on it. Ahh if only.......

what is the stock compression on an m62? You'd think i know this by heart....punish me now i guess :(
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i havent turboed a m/s6X but i have supercharged a M62TU and a S62. both were hard to package. the M62TU was a 4.6is and wasnt impressive at all. then again a dinan S54 supercharger feels slower than a stock one...


the S62 that i supercharged was a little different. it got cams, a second set of injectors and a water/air intercooler where the factory plenum was. it made IIRC around 750 HP.

i think a m/s6X would do good turboed if you could keep the block together. they are hard to find w/o a hole in them from flood damage or not completely worn out from milage and lack of maintance. if you fawk your block up be prepared to drop some $$$ on a new block.

if it were me though i wouldnt put the money and investment into the M62 series. i would transport a LSX w/ ECU and everything with a tremic 6 speed. less time/money/hassle tuning and the aftermarket is huge. plus HP numbers are insanely easy to make out of them.

I have a M62 in my E34 6spd.It is very impressive for me.Fast as a bat out of hell.It dyno'd at 370 rwhp with the old M60 and 3.5 psi and Unichip.I replaced the Unichip(POS) with a custom tune/WI/6psi and Clutchmasters FX200.It is a freekin blast to drive and I will dyno it after I rebuild the heads and replace some rings on #8 cylinder(oil blow by and did leak down test)I am very happy with V8 power+S/C.If a turbo kit was availabe off the shelf I would go for it,but I ain't holding my breath.Oh,and I don't need 700+ rwhp.

No one needs 700hp, it's the point of wanting it. So the Unichip is garbage then? From those threads I made about the turbo 540, the shop tuned the car using a Unichip and are getting like 30 more hp/tq that the VF kits, but it's much safer since it's also intercooled. Complete kit including tuning is like 8k.

All you need is a little bit of detonation and your engine is in pieces, literally. Broken pistons is most likely, then comes bent rods. You can't just dial up the boost to more than 6-7 psi without taking other precautions.

Actually you can. I've had a single turbo MR2, twin turbo RX-7 (two of them), TRD S/C'ed Tacoma V6, F350 Turbo diesel (two of those also), yada yada...add a simple boost controller (turbo'ed cars that is) and it was all smiles. Sure, maybe the BMW isn't AS easy, but add something like a KenneBell Boost-A-Pump and you're good to go....and it might not even need that really. The ONLY problem I ever had w/ cranking up the boost is the ECU had a set limit that it allowed for overboost, but Greddy makes a little piggyback to decrease the sensitivity of the overboost sensor so it wouldn't cause the CEL to come on randomly. At that point all I had to worry about was injector duty cycles and overworking them.

How come you come off as knowing so much about cars when you chime in, yet don't know what a plenum mounted (twin screw) S/C's looks like, say the F150 vs Lightning again. Just a question......armchair car guy maybe?

i havent turboed a m/s6X but i have supercharged a M62TU and a S62. both were hard to package. the M62TU was a 4.6is and wasnt impressive at all. then again a dinan S54 supercharger feels slower than a stock one...


the S62 that i supercharged was a little different. it got cams, a second set of injectors and a water/air intercooler where the factory plenum was. it made IIRC around 750 HP.

i think a m/s6X would do good turboed if you could keep the block together. they are hard to find w/o a hole in them from flood damage or not completely worn out from milage and lack of maintance. if you fawk your block up be prepared to drop some $$$ on a new block.

if it were me though i wouldnt put the money and investment into the M62 series. i would transport a LSX w/ ECU and everything with a tremic 6 speed. less time/money/hassle tuning and the aftermarket is huge. plus HP numbers are insanely easy to make out of them.

Got pics? A shop here locally did a single turbo on an E34 540, came out pretty nice and about 30+ better HP/TQ numbers than the VF S/C kit. This same shop also did an LSX swap into an E46 wagon, came out pretty sick...total sleeper. Sadly, due to the usual economy blah blah blah, I think the shop has probably closed down.

Got pics? A shop here locally did a single turbo on an E34 540, came out pretty nice and about 30+ better HP/TQ numbers than the VF S/C kit. This same shop also did an LSX swap into an E46 wagon, came out pretty sick...total sleeper. Sadly, due to the usual economy blah blah blah, I think the shop has probably closed down.

Idaho Speed Shop?I test drove my friends 700+ 2007 TT/Sharkwerks tuned/TechArt Suspension,and I know 700hp is too much for me on the street.I had a blast driving it and almost got a ticket going 150mph(thank-you Passport) but I personally have more fun in my S/C 540i on the street.My point,why have mega hp if you are not going to use it?If you track the car alot then great.For me it is too much of a temptation.Like having a hooker with free coke living next door.

i would really have to search for pics. the Z8 was before i had a digital camera :(


ill look around, but dont count on it.

Like having a hooker with free coke living next door.


Yes please ;) LOL

Idaho Speed Shop?I test drove my friends 700+ 2007 TT/Sharkwerks tuned/TechArt Suspension,and I know 700hp is too much for me on the street.I had a blast driving it and almost got a ticket going 150mph(thank-you Passport) but I personally have more fun in my S/C 540i on the street.My point,why have mega hp if you are not going to use it?If you track the car alot then great.For me it is too much of a temptation.


Yeah, Idaho Speed Center. http://www.idahospeed.com I hear ya about having that much hp, but I just like having in just in case. Not that it's fair comparison between a 350hp 740 to a 700hp Audi Tity, but I relate it to my first bike. I started on a 600, plenty fast, awesome mileage, and fun to have. Having ridden w/ guys that had 1000's-1400's, it definately showed it's lack of acceleration in comparison. I don't need to do 9 sec quarter miles, but for merging onto the freeway, passing, or just having the power to accelerate away from the stupid soccer mom cunt who's blabbing away on her phone while merging into me @ 70mph....priceless. Now if I had that kind of power in my car, I must admit that the first 3-4 months i'd be going through tires just because I wanna enjoy it and learn how to use the power, the excitement would wear off...but it's nice to know that it's there when I need it.

I couldn't imagine living with that kinda power cuz I would end up in jail or worse dead. I work on and drive super cars all day long and having that kinda power in addictive, you start off driving slow and before you know it your doing a buck fifty on the express way and you find yourself fighting to keep it under 100mph. In a way I'm glad I don't have a fast car of my own cuz I have a family to support. Driving other peoples whips gives me the fix I need and keeps me out of trouble. I would like to build one of my own one day with my kids when they get old enough though...

It's look food, alcohol, etc...just because you might have a ton of it doesn't mean you need to abuse it. I've done 170ish in my M5 and my bike, and 198 in my buddies M5.....anyone can go fast, it's called self control and/or having the skill to drive at those speeds. Now no one needs to get on their soapbox and give me the "take it to the track" yada yada speech, please. Everything awesome powerslide, drift, stopped/moving powerbrake i've learned how to do in M5 was things I learned driving on the streets, just like 90% of everyone else. Taking it to the track is just the next level.

Thanks for the pics though bro, it was cool to finally see under the hood of one of those.

No problem bro. When one of these things finally blow up I'll post some pics. I can't wait...

Thanks for the pics though bro, it was cool to finally see of one of those

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[QUOTE=m5james;13729188] I've done 198 in my buddies M5.....anyone can go fast, it's called self control and/or having the skill to drive at those speeds. QUOTE]



Really??? 198 mph in an M5?

And what skill is it that is needed to drive at those speeds?

I've done 198 in my buddies M5.....anyone can go fast, it's called self control and/or having the skill to drive at those speeds. QUOTE]



Really??? 198 mph in an M5?

And what skill is it that is needed to drive at those speeds?

1st - How in the hell is it that you fuck up everytime by trying to quote someone that it comes up showing all the HTML instead of the nice, neat little gray box like I did above? You CONSTANTLY do that Franka....all you have to do is hit the damn QUOTE button and type below it! I don't even remember when I wrote that, and since you fucked up the quote so damn bad, I can't find that thread to see it's date...but clearly you're bored since this is the best thing you can come and fire at me with - you're a dipshit Franka.

2nd - Yes, dyno verified to 198.3 at Carb Connection in Kirkland, WA. Sure w/o wind resistance it made it happen a lot easier. Doing it on the road I hit the rev limiter, on the dyno we didn't hit the rev limiter, so who knows how much more it had...guess we'll never know.

3rd - Coming from the guy who doesn't have a clue as to what a twin screw supercharger is, this is like racing a Civic....i'm not gonna waste my time to entertain your dumbass.

4th - Your still a dipshit. Write that down.

1st - How in the hell is it that you fuck up everytime by trying to quote someone that it comes up showing all the HTML instead of the nice, neat little gray box like I did above? You CONSTANTLY do that Franka....all you have to do is hit the damn QUOTE button and type below it! I don't even remember when I wrote that, and since you fucked up the quote so damn bad, I can't find that thread to see it's date...but clearly you're bored since this is the best thing you can come and fire at me with - you're a dipshit Franka.

2nd - Yes, dyno verified to 198.3 at Carb Connection in Kirkland, WA. Sure w/o wind resistance it made it happen a lot easier. Doing it on the road I hit the rev limiter, on the dyno we didn't hit the rev limiter, so who knows how much more it had...guess we'll never know.

3rd - Coming from the guy who doesn't have a clue as to what a twin screw supercharger is, this is like racing a Civic....i'm not gonna waste my time to entertain your dumbass.

4th - Your still a dipshit. Write that down.



You did 198 mph while standing still on a dyno?

I'm waiting to hear what skill it takes to drive fast in a straight line per your words below. Or maybe that was on the dyno too?

"....anyone can go fast, it's called self control and/or having the skill to drive at those speeds." On a dyno too?

"..self control..." like above?

Name calling is for juveniles.

Actually that would be per my words above, not below, k pumpkin.

I've already explained what we did in his car and how we got the exact number

Not that by any means am I a Trashcar fan, but i'm sure there is some skill required to take left turns all day long, F1 guys to take lefts and rights, and land speed record holders down at the Salt Flat's. Point is, if everyone could do it and it was so easy, so many people wouldn't wreck doing slower speeds like 60mph you dipshit.

Yes, name calling is for juveniles....dipshit. It ranks right up there w/ coming in WEEKS later on old threads and trying to talk smack.

Yes, you're still a....forget it :D

Actually that would be per my words above, not below, k pumpkin.

I've already explained what we did in his car and how we got the exact number

Not that by any means am I a Trashcar fan, but i'm sure there is some skill required to take left turns all day long, F1 guys to take lefts and rights, and land speed record holders down at the Salt Flat's. Point is, if everyone could do it and it was so easy, so many people wouldn't wreck doing slower speeds like 60mph you dipshit.

Yes, name calling is for juveniles....dipshit. It ranks right up there w/ coming in WEEKS later on old threads and trying to talk smack.

Yes, you're still a....forget it :D


Did you graduate from high school?

Actually that would be per my words above, not below,

Look again it is below. Here's a hint... its in quotation marks like this " blah blah..." You missed that in your rush ....:nono

Did you graduate from high school?

Yeah, back in 93. How's that "Good Enough Degree" coming along? I bet you tell all the little girls that your a college man now....if they only knew what classes you were taking.

Look again it is below. Here's a hint... its in quotation marks like this " blah blah..." You missed that in your rush ....:nono

Actually it is below Franka, so unless your dislexic...when you quote me (incorrectly as usual) my original post is ABOVE your replies, see that little gray box? Then since this forums reads from top to bottom, every time you reply, it's DOWN one below the previous one.

Now shut your mouth and go away before this thread gets closed because you have diahhrea of the mouth. This is finally an interesting thread and nice break from all the newbies asking about radiator and 45-55 shimmy control arms questions, so take it somewhere else. You came into this thread specifically to TRY and talk smack to me, yet you question my maturity level?! Hypocrit.

No one wants to hear your .02, so can we get back to the topic....NOW!

you guys are so stupid. 193 on the dyno? give me a fucking break. OMFG my '08 buell 1125R hit 200 on the dyno! OMFG!
got rid of that piece of shit. what a crap bike.

FYI there is a local guy here selling a 530i V8 for $300 thats cheap for prototyping a Kit and to blow up if there is any bugs


here you go
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1036255

you guys are so stupid. 193 on the dyno? give me a fucking break. OMFG my '08 buell 1125R hit 200 on the dyno! OMFG!
got rid of that piece of shit. what a crap bike.


Since you didn't use the quote button, i'm gonna assume you're talking to me since I'm the one who did 198.3 (not 193) on the street (you read as well as Franka...it wasn't JUST on the dyno). As for your Buell hitting 200 on a dyno...impossible in stock form. I've got plenty of riding friends here, and one of them owns a white one. That thing is governed, you know it and I know.

Why you talkin shit to fellow riders anyways? Now if I was that idiot on the freeway riding an 89 Suzuki 1100 hugging the tank like i'm doing 130 when i'm really doing 60, then talk smack. Better yet, why are you even coming to this thread in general? Your location could be correct, even if you were riding w/ me.

I will say this about your bike though....finally a cool looking headlight on a Buell. I personally think naked bikes look stupid and incomplete...everyone has their personal choice. You may have 127 more cc's than me, but you're definately not going to be leaving me in the dust, so get off your pedestal.

PS - Goodluck w/ your sale...sorry the economy is forcing your sale. Should have planned ahead ehh bro.

PSS - Sentence's start w/ capital letters. http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/592/01 Lastly, I think you meant to write "Get", not "got" when you wrote that second to last comment. You're welcome. ;)

Damn did I miss something! What happened to this thread. Guys calm down please. We are all adults here. Is all this smack talk necessary. Lets all get back on topic OK.

Since you didn't use the quote button, i'm gonna assume you're talking to me since I'm the one who did 198.3 (not 193) on the street (you read as well as Franka...it wasn't JUST on the dyno). As for your Buell hitting 200 on a dyno...impossible in stock form. I've got plenty of riding friends here, and one of them owns a white one. That thing is governed, you know it and I know.

show me a 2007 or 2008 1125R thats white stock. show me.
and a 1125R is only governed by its RPM. fastest i got it was 178, ran out of room.
AND no i was being sarcastic about your claim in a (assuming) E39 M5. those things have issues getting anywhere past 165 in any decent pace without a lot of room.......unless heavily modded. :rolleyes

WTF were you doing running a car at that speed anyways on the dyno? 5th gear in that thing goes to like 160ish IIRC.


why are you even coming to this thread in general?


i come into this thread with more first hand experiance about BMW's and superchargers than you think. i guess you didnt read my post. no biggie seems like your a shmuck anyways.


PS - Goodluck w/ your sale...sorry the economy is forcing your sale. Should have planned ahead ehh bro.

i didnt sell it, i gave that piece of shit back. fuel injection sucked on it, leaked oil, battery light came on, stranded me, hot as fawk to ride. 1000 miles on it and i gave it back to the dealer. im riding a 2008 SuperGlide now. best choice i could have made. i can go fast on my 954RR if i want to. it feels like a better bike than that 1125R was anyways.



PSS - Sentence's start w/ capital letters. http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/592/01 Lastly, I think you meant to write "Get", not "got" when you wrote that second to last comment. You're welcome. ;)


on a personal note: i could give a flying fuck about punctuation on a informal forum or a conversation like this.http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Flying_fuck i could type perfect, but why? sometimes i cant sleep at night w/o worrying about grammer nazis like this forum has. what i said is what i meant to say. GOT rid of my 1125R, so GET of your little correction pedestal. your welcome bro. :rolleyes

Pot calling the kettle black...i'm an asshole to correct people when the give the wrong information about doing repairs, not using the search button, etc. You, your just an asshole, period. The ONLY reason why i'm not going to entertain your line of questions is because I don't want this thread closed....you got more to say or are just dying to know my answers, you can PM me Ugly.

Damn did I miss something! What happened to this thread. Guys calm down please. We are all adults here. Is all this smack talk necessary. Lets all get back on topic OK.

Not all of us...some just have too much free time on their hands, and since they have no control in their own home, they try to force it here. I agree, can we please get back to the topic. It hasn't developed anymore, so any updates on these kits yet from the OP?

One of the few threads concerning the 5 series and it has come to this.:(
And regarding posting,well if you you not know grammar nor punctuation,then please stay in the "Deliverance" secton.

Sorry Big, it was fine till Franka and Ugly needed someone to pick on. I do hope the thread stays on course so the information won't get locked up.

[QUOTE=bigugly;13896165]you guys are so stupid. 193 on the dyno? give me a fucking break. OMFG my '08 buell 1125R hit 200 on the dyno! QUOTE]


Yea isn't that a new one, 198 on a dyno? What a joke.

Of course he didn't mention the dyno until I called him on it. He has his chest puffed up in most of his posts.

Its called "delusions of grandeur".

Sorry Big, it was fine till Franka and Ugly needed someone to pick on. I do hope the thread stays on course so the information won't get locked up.

Stick to the truth and drop the childish name calling and you will be fine.

To Franka and BigUgly....STFU unless it has to do w/ THIS thread. Like I said, you got something to say, take it to PM.

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i already suggested an idea but of course no one gives a shit about it. i think a ford lightning supercharger would be easy to adapt to the intake of a M/S6X engine.... they have upgrades and would be plenty of boost to blow it up. a supercharger pully would be easy to adapt to the crank too.

I don't remember reading about you suggesting that, but that would be awesome. They're readily available and probably can be found reasonably priced too. I've seen them being removed/installed on various occasions and even seen it once on TV...i'd be worried that the water-to-air intercooler wouldn't be able to be adapted though since it since so deep. Then again i've never taken off my intake plenum, so I have no clue how deep the well is between the V in our engines.
http://store.roushperformance.com/detail.aspx?ID=553
http://www.btgmotoring.com/Merchant2/graphics/WPL/00-04Lightning_big.jpg
http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com/online/images/M-6066-L90.jpg
http://www.nloc.net/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/1684/cat/7/limit/views/date/1183259698 - $150 for a ported blower!!!!
http://www.nloc.net/classifieds/showproduct.php/product/6738/cat/7 - $300 for a stock one. SOMEONE do this!


I had an M62 S/C (cool model #, ehh ;) ) installed on my TRD Tacoma pushing only 8lbs, and I LOVED the instant power. Only downside is it pinged like mad unless I always kept the O/D off to keep it in the higher RPM's. I was a truck, so I didn't race it all the time, but i'd be worried about heatsoak even more w/ a TS vs. a centrifugal since the TS since right on top of the motor. I never went w/ VF Engineering for the simple fact that they never got off their ass and created their Stage II kit w/ an intercooler for us. Sure, I could have done it myself yada yada yada...my biggest concern is software.

the "V" isnt very deep. a small radiator would fit, if the water pump pipes were removed and from them a intercooler was fabbed to either use that coolant or transfer it to the back coolant manifold.


another idea would be to take the valley pan and coolant pipes out and make all of that space an intercooler area. i think hood clearance would be the biggest problem using a supercharger in that fashion.


i cant remember if the exhaust manifold ports were symmetrical. if the manifolds could be flipped you could put the turbo(s) near the radiator.... makes plumbing super cake.

As big as these cars are, I don't think you'd be able to flip the manifold and still have room, but I don't know. I've never done a custom turbo, i've only done bolt-on's to stock turbo'd cars.

flip, as in put the throttle to the rear? hell no, no room for that!

This is beginning to sound more like science fiction than a serious power mod.

another idea would be to take the valley pan and coolant pipes out and make all of that space an intercooler area. i think hood clearance would be the biggest problem using a supercharger in that fashion.

I've had this in my saved links for several years now. (http://www.da-motorsport.com/projeler/x5/x5.htm) It came from another forum. I obviously don't care for the advertiser (Mert) but it looks like Infinitas made a kit with a top mounted w/a intercooler. I'm not sure it would clear the hood for you 5er guys but it looks like it clears the X5 though.

Someone should make a w/a intercooler integrated with the intake manifold; both as one.

[QUOTE=TommyX®;Someone should make a w/a intercooler integrated with the intake manifold; both as one.[/QUOTE]

Not enough volume in units to pay for the cost.

I've had this in my saved links for several years now. (http://www.da-motorsport.com/projeler/x5/x5.htm) It came from another forum. I obviously don't care for the advertiser (Mert) but it looks like Infinitas made a kit with a top mounted w/a intercooler. I'm not sure it would clear the hood for you 5er guys but it looks like it clears the X5 though.

Someone should make a w/a intercooler integrated with the intake manifold; both as one.

Don't mind Franka, he's never been really that good at using the quote button.

I've seen this X5 before, personally I like it, even though it is a little overboard w/ the bodykit. That supercharger still looks like it's a centrifugal though, which would still have the lag and high RPM requirement issues that they need to obtain full boost. There are a fe guys floating around here w/ what are basically $$Dinan$$/VF kits (which both use use the Vortech V2SQ) and added on their own intercoolers afterwards. If I had to chose this very i'd rather go turbo all the way, which is what this thread was about. My second choice would be a twin screw, but it's hopes and dreams for now. My last choice is the VF kit w/ a custom intercooler....but then again i've never driven an S/C'ed 540/740, so my opinion is biased on past experiences. The guys who have S/C'ed and intercooled their cars could have a great setup that isn't cost prohibitive like the other two options, and is more readily available to do. I've seen ONE turbo kit on a 540i, and the shop is outta business here that did it for only $8k w/ an intercooler, so hopefully some other shop or someone w/ the right skills does it.

PS - On a side note, tell Michelle I said hey ;) I'm a member on your boards also from when I was searching for an X5 to use as a work/play vehicle.

ok so how about running one turbo on one side of the engine? just because its a V8 doesnt mean it needs 8 cylinders to turn a hair drier.......


i would say the passenger side where the airbox would be a better side then the drivers since your dealing with the steering box in the way.....
or maybe run the turbo behind the transmission and run the ducting up?


put them WAY back where the mufflers are?

really there isnt much room to mess with packaging under the cars. either body, front suspension, drivetrain or engine cradle gets in the way.

The 540 I saw had in on the passenger side, they used the stock manifold and just chopped the crap out of it and converted it to a single exit exhuast directly after the headers instead of like the stock setup where it's merged after the cats.