Do you think the dealership will deny the maintenance if you brought the car in with race buckets, no interior, and a roll bar?

T

I would be inclined to say yes.

My motto is don't track/auto-x a car you cannot afford to repair or replace....

Do you think the dealership will deny the maintenance if you brought the car in with race buckets, no interior, and a roll bar?

T

:lol :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You're not serious are you???

Edit: That might be sig worthy.

lol they not only will void the maint and warranty they will make you pay for any damages...esp if you are auto x at bmw events
or any where you give your license plate #

you have to pay to play

Of course I'm kidding. Just trying to keep it entertaining.

T

Wow.

So much misinformation.


First, a dealer CANNOT blanketly VOID a warranty! Mag-Moss 101.

They can deny any claim, but to do that , they must trace EACH failure to the modification in question.

THEY MUST SHOW that the removal of your interior led to whatever failure you had.

In other words, you can track the hell out of your car, and you will retain your warranty for any claim that they cannot show came from abuse.

Thought this was all warranty 101, apparently not.


CN: A dealer CANNOT void your entire warranty. Period. They can deny claims, but must trace each and every claim to a cause that warrants them to deny the claim.


I love all the people laughing at you with no clue as to what they are talking about.

Wow.

So much misinformation.


First, a dealer CANNOT blanketly VOID a warranty! Mag-Moss 101.

They can deny any claim, but to do that , they must trace EACH failure to the modification in question.

THEY MUST SHOW that the removal of your interior led to whatever failure you had.

In other words, you can track the hell out of your car, and you will retain your warranty for any claim that they cannot show came from abuse.

Thought this was all warranty 101, apparently not.


CN: A dealer CANNOT void your entire warranty. Period. They can deny claims, but must trace each and every claim to a cause that warrants them to deny the claim.


I love all the people laughing at you with no clue as to what they are talking about.

+1

you can do what ever you want to the car, but if you do decide on turning the car back into the dealership, your going to have to convert it back to stock.

Its just that BMW stealerships arn't happy for some reason when you do that kind of stuff. Even though ive gotten plenty of comments on how my 6000k CCFLs look wayy better than OEM angel eyes :alright

Wow.

So much misinformation.


First, a dealer CANNOT blanketly VOID a warranty! Mag-Moss 101.

They can deny any claim, but to do that , they must trace EACH failure to the modification in question.

THEY MUST SHOW that the removal of your interior led to whatever failure you had.

In other words, you can track the hell out of your car, and you will retain your warranty for any claim that they cannot show came from abuse.

Thought this was all warranty 101, apparently not.


CN: A dealer CANNOT void your entire warranty. Period. They can deny claims, but must trace each and every claim to a cause that warrants them to deny the claim.


I love all the people laughing at you with no clue as to what they are talking about.

This is all true, but most dealers are going to give you a hard time, especially if you gutted the interior. There was a post on E90post where someone installed a Proceed on his new 335i and took it to the dealer to be serviced (routine oil change). The tech saw something funny and noticed the ECU had been popped open and saw the extra wiring. The dealer BLACK LISTED the car right then and there. He tried the Mag-Moss plea, but it hasn't worked. The last I heard the car was still black listed (sucks for the next buyer) and he was headed to litigation.

Some dealers are just pricks. You have to know who you are dealing with and do it wisely. If your dealer has a bad name in the BMW enthusiast community I would think twice about taking my vehicle in with any mods on it. If you can find a service writer at a dealer that is also an enthusiast that is your best bet. You have to know how to pick your battles.

This is all true, but most dealers are going to give you a hard time, especially if you gutted the interior. There was a post on E90post where someone installed a Proceed on his new 335i and took it to the dealer to be serviced (routine oil change). The tech saw something funny and noticed the ECU had been popped open and saw the extra wiring. The dealer BLACK LISTED the car right then and there. He tried the Mag-Moss plea, but it hasn't worked. The last I heard the car was still black listed (sucks for the next buyer) and he was headed to litigation.

Some dealers are just pricks. You have to know who you are dealing with and do it wisely. If your dealer has a bad name in the BMW enthusiast community I would think twice about taking my vehicle in with any mods on it. If you can find a service writer at a dealer that is also an enthusiast that is your best bet. You have to know how to pick your battles.

For sure, I certainly wouldn't be taken my car to a dealer gutted for powertrain work, nor would I expect to get any drivetrain work done when they know I had a Proceed in the car (as its too easy for them to show what likely/could have caused the failure).

I definitely wouldn't take a car into a dealer with a serious powertrain modification like that. Maybe a set of swaybars or something, but anything big would get pulled out of the car.

How about this: They charge you for the "repair" that is necessary due to damaging the car by ripping the interior out. That seems like a quick and easy way to work you over. What's parts and labor for an interior?

Dealers have been known attribute failures excessive trips to redline.

I never said failures, I asked about the 4-years of free maintenance. They cannot deny oil changes and inspections to lack of interior.

T

This is all true, but most dealers are going to give you a hard time, especially if you gutted the interior. There was a post on E90post where someone installed a Proceed on his new 335i and took it to the dealer to be serviced (routine oil change). The tech saw something funny and noticed the ECU had been popped open and saw the extra wiring. The dealer BLACK LISTED the car right then and there. He tried the Mag-Moss plea, but it hasn't worked. The last I heard the car was still black listed (sucks for the next buyer) and he was headed to litigation.


Any dealer has the right to refuse sevice for any reason. Your buddy was prob. one of those impossible clients to begin with, so they wanted him to be someone else's problem. You know, the client who stands there at the shop door looking through the window making sure the tech is using moly covered sockets on his stock wheels so they don't get scratches in the clear coat inside the bolt holes. :rolleyes That's my guess anyways. There is no such black list, nor have I ever seen in my numerous years with bimmer any such denial of a warranty claim.

Dealers have been known attribute failures excessive trips to redline.

2 problems with this folktale....

There is a rev limiter for a reason. You cannot over rev without mis shifting. Secondly, the car tells the technician exactly how many times the vehicle has achieved red line. Despite this, if it has not been over rev'd (which the car will also tell you through vanos and plaus. faults) the car has not technically been abused since technically it has always been operated within it's tolerances and thresholds. A warranty claim denial would not hold up without proper technical documentation, which unfortunately for BMW their cars report and document just about every scenario it's driven in. Fortunately though, they don't give a damn b/c it makes their cars even better.

2 problems with this folktale.....

You obviously have an opinion. Problem one, You will not see any mention of over-rev in my post... The other piece you have accurately identified is used in trend analysis.

There is a rev limiter for a reason. You cannot over rev without mis shifting. Secondly, the car tells the technician exactly how many times the vehicle has achieved red line. Despite this, if it has not been over rev'd (which the car will also tell you through vanos and plaus. faults) the car has not technically been abused since technically it has always been operated within it's tolerances and thresholds. A warranty claim denial would not hold up without proper technical documentation, which unfortunately for BMW their cars report and document just about every scenario it's driven in. Fortunately though, they don't give a damn b/c it makes their cars even better.

Who could enjoy a BMW w/out going to redline?

Who could enjoy a BMW w/out going to redline?

99% of the people that you see diving them around everyday. You cannot go 1/10 of a mile where I live without seeing no less than 6 bmw's. NONE of them are enthusiasts, just lemmings or special lease from working at the factory.

T

You obviously have an opinion. Problem one, You will not see any mention of over-rev in my post... The other piece you have accurately identified is used in trend analysis.

All I was saying is that no dealer can refuse warranty coverage due to "excessive trips to redline", as you had stated they could.

All I was saying is that no dealer can refuse warranty coverage due to "excessive trips to redline", as you had stated they could.

Perhaps BMW has some rule against their dealers doing that; but, another well known German manufacturer has used it as evidence of abuse and attributed it to track events and clearly denied claims on that evidence alone. We have several dealers in the DC area who have denied claims in this manner.

Perhaps BMW has some rule against their dealers doing that; but, another well known German manufacturer has used it as evidence of abuse and attributed it to track events and clearly denied claims on that evidence alone. We have several dealers in the DC area who have denied claims in this manner.

It doesn't matter who the manufacturer, legally they cannot deny a warranty claim when the vehicle was operated within it's given limits. If they were worried about that every car would have a 4k redline. Plus, all that denying a warranty claim does is get them a bad CSI score and they lose money on both the front and back ends then.

Perhaps BMW has some rule against their dealers doing that; but, another well known German manufacturer has used it as evidence of abuse and attributed it to track events and clearly denied claims on that evidence alone. We have several dealers in the DC area who have denied claims in this manner.


I KNOW I KNOW, Its Audi!!!! They deny claims for what they call "Driver Abuse" at least why they denied my friends CPO 00 S4!!

i wouldn't do that

This sounds like a scenario that should be played out on TV. Perhaps we take up a collection, lease a new BMW, strip it, and then take it in for service under hidden camera. It'd be lots of fun -- I'd volunteer to assemble a team to take the interior out. Anyone else in? :D