Yesterday leaving Cars and Coffee I was behind my buddies 335i getting on the I-5S at Alton Pkwy. (For those of you that are familiar with that on ramp, it's very long before it dumps you onto I-5 by Irvine Spectrum).

Anyways, I was behind him at the stop light getting on the FWY, he hits it and I do the same. His first to second shift was awful (car bogged down big time) so I swerved to go around him and I pull ahead about a half a car. He immediately makes the distance up (dam turbos :stickoutt) and we hang dead even up till 110mph or so. I let off after that because at the end there is usually a cop, and I did not want to get busted. Not a kill here, but pretty much a draw due to driver error on his part.

But all in all I was pretty surpirsed I hung with him (based on my power disadvantage). I'm positive the car would of smoked me if it was driven properly; but fun nonetheless. Just thought I would share.

I agree, it would have been a kill if he knew how to drive, but not all 335's are fast.

About a month and a half ago at the strip there was an MT 335i sedan running low 14's at 101-102. That's what no LSD will do for ya. He kept losing to his friends modded Jetta GLI that was anywhere from 13.8-14.2@103-104. I think I convinced him to get a ProCede tune.

So 335i's are roughly as fast as e46 m3's stock for stock. 350Z/G35 are not any faster than e36 m3's and 540i's.. But this 335i is not faster than a yours? Whats done to your car?

350Z/G35 are not any faster than e36 m3's and 540i's..

I didn't know that.

So 335i's are roughly as fast as e46 m3's stock for stock. 350Z/G35 are not any faster than e36 m3's and 540i's.. But this 335i is not faster than a yours? Whats done to your car?

All I have is intake and exhaust. And I have beaten many E36 M3's (The only E36 M's I have ever lost to are heavily modded i.e. FI). But like I said the driver fowled up his first to second gear shift pretty bad getting on the fwy. If he was a half decent stick driver he should have smoked me.

Seems like it.. I'm not saying your lying.. But it just seems like it should have pulled on you. I've personally pulled on a 350z manual from a 2nd gear roll, never raced an e36 m3 but I assume I'd be even from a roll, but beaten in both cases from a stop. Seems like there are a lot of e36 m3/350z races that are dead even from what I've read on here

Seems like it.. I'm not saying your lying.. But it just seems like it should have pulled on you. I've personally pulled on a 350z manual from a 2nd gear roll, never raced an e36 m3 but I assume I'd be even from a roll, but beaten in both cases from a stop. Seems like there are a lot of e36 m3/350z races that are dead even from what I've read on here

100% agreed. I have had other runs against stock 335i's and each time they beat me. Not talking by huge amounts no more than a car length or two up to 130mph. The only thing that gave me the advantage was that my first to second shift was perfect and because of it I had momentum on my side.

100% agreed. I have had other runs against stock 335i's and each time they beat me. Not talking by huge amounts no more than a car length or two up to 130mph. The only thing that gave me the advantage was that my first to second shift was perfect and because of it I had momentum on my side.

There not that much faster. A G with bolt-ons is definitely quick enough to be considered a drivers race with a stock 335i. Maybe not just with I/E, but its not exactly out of it's league. My friend just came back from the track on Friday and ran a 13.6@103 mph in his 335i coupe. That was the best of his 4 runs.

There not that much faster. A G with bolt-ons is definitely quick enough to be considered a drivers race with a stock 335i. Maybe not just with I/E, but its not exactly out of it's league. My friend just came back from the track on Friday and ran a 13.6@103 mph in his 335i coupe. That was the best of his 4 runs.

Your friend can't drive then...

the 300HP club is getting too damn crowded. this will inevitably end up in flaming; one way or another.

335iC 6-speed vs G35 sedan 6-speed (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/dd31feaf-604c-4000-a617-99ff01239515.htm)

Fuel >> Fire

The G35 driver states that when the 335 looked like it was pulling, it was because he had to go around a car in his lane.

:eatpop:

Wow, fuel to the fire is right, especially due to the fact that's an Inifinity sedan. Are 350Z's any lighter than g35 coupes? The one I raced was definitely 6 MT, and I definitely was able to pull, didn't seem to be any mis-shifting either. Was the G35 in the video stock?

Nice run, OP.

335iC 6-speed vs G35 sedan 6-speed (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/dd31feaf-604c-4000-a617-99ff01239515.htm)

Fuel >> Fire

The G35 driver states that when the 335 looked like it was pulling, it was because he had to go around a car in his lane.

:eatpop:

:rolleyes

That's a convertible, i.e. a few hundred pounds heavier than the coupe. And the 335i clearly had obstacles in his way. It is utterly ludicrous to suggest that a G35 would stand a chance against a 335i, stock for stock.

It is utterly ludicrous to suggest that a G35 would stand a chance for a 335i, stock for stock.

Im gonna have to agree with this one... my 330 pulled on an auto G35 im positive a 335 would easily blast a g35 auto or manual

Im gonna have to agree with this one... my 330 pulled on an auto G35 im positive a 335 would easily blast a g35 auto or manual

I still think you have an unusually fast 330ix. Just like a 335i should blast a G35, an auto or manual G35 should blast a 330ix.

interesting, becuase i raced a g35 MT one time for miles and miles through santiago canyon one night.

every time we went from a roll, i always had him by a few car lengths before 75. this was when my car was stock (m50 manifold and rear exhuast are NOT mods)

then we did a blast from zero to 160. he had to have been multiple bus lengths behind me. now, he may have been a Profanity Removed driver but i talked to him in between. the car just seemed like it was too heavy.

i would think a 335i would own it even more, but then when i get into my friends 335 it doesnt seem faster than my m3. ill have to race a 335 and see the outcome. i def think i would be able to take a stock one easily at this point, once i pull my head and go to a full race setup, i woudl think it would be rapped. im shooting for an 11 second quarter mile NA through lightwieght and aggressive gears.

Do not use profanity on this forum.

My buddy has a base 350z, and I drive 335's all day at work. The Vq35 is pretty quick but nothing like the 335, im convinced auto 335's are usually faster than the manuals because apparentyl nobody knows how to drive. The automatic 335's are damn fast anyway (maybe becasue they keep their boost up when shifting becasue of the auto????) much faster than his old modded G35

Fellow PNW G35/350z owners...

I'm going to rent out Spokane Raceway's drag this spring time for some racing for a few hours. Would you guys be interested in coming over, running the cars and drinkin' some beers and BBQing afterwards? Should be a good playground for really getting some live footage of how the Zs and Gs matchup against some other BMWs.

Fellow PNW G35/350z owners...

I'm going to rent out Spokane Raceway's drag this spring time for some racing for a few hours. Would you guys be interested in coming over, running the cars and drinkin' some beers and BBQing afterwards? Should be a good playground for really getting some live footage of how the Zs and Gs matchup against some other BMWs.
that would be great.

So 335i's are roughly as fast as e46 m3's stock for stock. 350Z/G35 are not any faster than e36 m3's and 540i's.. But this 335i is not faster than a yours? Whats done to your car?
why do you assume? and Why do you make this kind of radical statements? So, far i've run couple of e36 M3, one is Mitchel's (mitchelrl) and none of them had a chance to really pull on me. (not saying they are slow, in fact Mitchel's M3 hadles like a gocart, its awesome). I have not had a chance to run against a 335. however, i played around one night with e46 m3, and the guy did not pull on me either. i did not get the impression that the e46 m3 was any faster than mine, and yes i did not pull on him either. so come on if you dont like a car, that does not make it slower than yours(never run against a 540).

Thats what I'm saying, I don't get it. My car should not be faster than an e36 m3, and from what I've read on here 350Z aren't any faster than e36 m3 either. But the only 350Z I raced, I pulled on.. I don't really race my car, so I don't know where it would stack up against an m3, but I KNOW that it is slower than 335i/e46 m3 territory.

Thats what I'm saying, I don't get it. My car should not be faster than an e36 m3, and from what I've read on here 350Z aren't any faster than e36 m3 either. But the only 350Z I raced, I pulled on.. I don't really race my car, so I don't know where it would stack up against an m3, but I KNOW that it is slower than 335i/e46 m3 territory.
forget what you've read on the forums all of them are bias. 350z is faster than e36 m3, and the 07 VQ35HR is very close if not almost the same to e46 m3 and 335.

forget what you've read on the forums all of them are bias. 350z is faster than e36 m3, and the 07 VQ35HR is very close if not almost the same to e46 m3 and 335.
:lol Irony of the day award.

The 07 will slaughter an E36 until the E36 gets FI or some intensive track prep.

07 z >>>>>> e36 M..stock vs stock. thats the fact. why bother to argue, that will just cause more flamings and trollin..

so lets not bring up e36m and 350z again.

Yesterday leaving Cars and Coffee I was behind my buddies 335i getting on the I-5S at Alton Pkwy. (For those of you that are familiar with that on ramp, it's very long before it dumps you onto I-5 by Irvine Spectrum).

Anyways, I was behind him at the stop light getting on the FWY, he hits it and I do the same. His first to second shift was awful (car bogged down big time) so I swerved to go around him and I pull ahead about a half a car. He immediately makes the distance up (dam turbos :stickoutt) and we hang dead even up till 110mph or so. I let off after that because at the end there is usually a cop, and I did not want to get busted. Not a kill here, but pretty much a draw due to driver error on his part.

But all in all I was pretty surpirsed I hung with him (based on my power disadvantage). I'm positive the car would of smoked me if it was driven properly; but fun nonetheless. Just thought I would share.

You beat the driver and most definitely not the car, if he was auto or knew how to drive he would take you apart

I agree, it would have been a kill if he knew how to drive, but not all 335's are fast.

About a month and a half ago at the strip there was an MT 335i sedan running low 14's at 101-102. That's what no LSD will do for ya. He kept losing to his friends modded Jetta GLI that was anywhere from 13.8-14.2@103-104. I think I convinced him to get a ProCede tune.


BS!

335's are fast, its just some drivers are not meant to be racers

There not that much faster. A G with bolt-ons is definitely quick enough to be considered a drivers race with a stock 335i. Maybe not just with I/E, but its not exactly out of it's league. My friend just came back from the track on Friday and ran a 13.6@103 mph in his 335i coupe. That was the best of his 4 runs.

Can't say agree 100%, i ran 5 runs and non of them were above 13.5
my best run STOCK was 13.27@104.8...again going back to driver error

Nice run, OP.



:rolleyes

That's a convertible, i.e. a few hundred pounds heavier than the coupe. And the 335i clearly had obstacles in his way. It is utterly ludicrous to suggest that a G35 would stand a chance against a 335i, stock for stock.

+1

i think he meant to say that when it looked like G was pulling it was because 335 had a car in its way.
I had few runs like this and i pulled much harder every time, stock.

You beat the driver and most definitely not the car, if he was auto or knew how to drive he would take you apart

You are probably right. Nonetheless I am still surprised I hung in there with him (needless to say so was my buddy).

You are probably right. Nonetheless I am still surprised I hung in there with him (needless to say so was my buddy).
don't get your hopes high, you just hang with a driver who can't drive. Nothing more to it.

Can't say agree 100%, i ran 5 runs and non of them were above 13.5
my best run STOCK was 13.27@104.8...again going back to driver error
Where did you run?

Wow I guess all the BF.C members who own G's somehow were able to acquire factory freaks.

guys this isnt a E36 M3 vs 350Z debate :rofl

In fact, neither of those cars were int he thread title. IS a 350Z faster than a e36 M3? yes. Is it faster than a 540? probably. The 07 Z is quick, its not e46 m3/ 335 material. Close, And dont throw out "omg-this-one-guy-ran-12.9-bs" Those are on drag radials and they help tremendously.

In the current case, the OP beat the driver, or it wasnt a properly setup race. ANYBODY that has driven both cars would be off their rocker to call a G35 335 territory. It simply isnt. G35's are the VQ's that are e36 m3 status.

Anything can happen on the streets, ive beaten cars that are MUCH faster than i am and i know its driver error/inexperience. some dumbass kid thought my 328 was faster than his sti becasue he couldnt use the car at its greatest strength, launching.

I would like to see some kind of friendly meet setup. Hopefully everyone will know how to drive a car correctly or another satanicpanda (?) incident will be in our future, only adding fuel to the fire :)

Wow I guess all the BF.C members who own G's somehow were able to acquire factory freaks.

My G for whatever reason is very strong. I have the non revup engine (VQ35DE) and I can walk away from the Revup G's as well. I can even put some nice distance on the new G35S sedan's with the VQ35HR. My pops has one and he was blown away by what I did to him on the FWY. Call it what you want to call it.

As far as my encounter in this thread it was just a fun experience I had, so I thought I would share. I am very sure a properly driven 335i will beat me. Everyone knows they are underrated from the factory.

don't get your hopes high, you just hang with a driver who can't drive. Nothing more to it.

Does not take away from the fact that it was fun :D.

The 07 Z is quick, its not e46 m3/ 335 material. Close, And dont throw out "omg-this-one-guy-ran-12.9-bs" Those are on drag radials and they help tremendously.
the best trap speeds of both cars says differently -- both 107mph. i may be mistaken but i have not seen a stock 335 trap 107mph which would give the 2007 350Z a slight advantage over it given perfect conditions. if nothing else it proves that it's a driver's race.

the best trap speeds of both cars says differently -- both 107mph. i may be mistaken but i have not seen a stock 335 trap 107mph which would give the 2007 350Z a slight advantage over it given perfect conditions. if nothing else it proves that it's a driver's race.
Logic isn't permitted here though, you obviously haven't gotten the memo yet ;)

just for the record, trap speeds meaning NOTHING when it comes to rolling start highway runs... And here is an example why:

I ran my buddy in his 2001 Camaro SS LS1 twice at the track. I beat him once and he beat me once. On the highway, I pull away from him above 120mph fairly easily all the way up to 160-170mph putting many lenghts inbetween us EVERYTIME. Trap numbers really should not be used when comparing two cars who ran on a highway. Just my opinion of course :rolleyes

the best trap speeds of both cars says differently -- both 107mph. i may be mistaken but i have not seen a stock 335 trap 107mph which would give the 2007 350Z a slight advantage over it given perfect conditions. if nothing else it proves that it's a driver's race.

true, but the 350 has LSD and probably tire width on its side. 335 isnt a drag car, but i have no doubt it would leave the 07 350 from a roll at any speed. I TRIED to keep up with one once he hit the on ramp at around 15mph, but that N54 was GONE, i was in my buddies non hr 350 as well, chirpin thru 3rd to try and keep up with him. no luck, not even close.

Hes a noob 350 owner as well. He didnt understand how i shifted so fast :rofl i was quite impressed with it as soon as i took the wheel, with him driving its not that fast. Its one of those cars that have a HUGE dependency on the driver, very broad range of times.

just for the record, trap speeds meaning NOTHING when it comes to rolling start highway runs... And here is an example why:

I ran my buddy in his 2001 Camaro SS LS1 twice at the track. I beat him once and he beat me once. On the highway, I pull away from him above 120mph fairly easily all the way up to 160-170mph putting many lenghts inbetween us EVERYTIME. Trap numbers really should not be used when comparing two cars who ran on a highway. Just my opinion of course :rolleyes
the example you gave just proves why trap speed is so important. your M5 should trap in the range of 109-111mph, while the camaro SS (after a very quick search) traps around 107-109mph. the higher trapping car will pull as speeds increase. it's similar to how e39 M5s beat e46 M3s at higher speeds. looking at the E.T. is a horrible indicator because that allows room for error by allowing the driver variable to take effect. trap doesn't change much from car to car so it doesn't lie.

true, but the 350 has LSD and probably tire width on its side. 335 isnt a drag car, but i have no doubt it would leave the 07 350 from a roll at any speed. I TRIED to keep up with one once he hit the on ramp at around 15mph, but that N54 was GONE, i was in my buddies non hr 350 as well, chirpin thru 3rd to try and keep up with him. no luck, not even close.

Hes a noob 350 owner as well. He didnt understand how i shifted so fast :rofl i was quite impressed with it as soon as i took the wheel, with him driving its not that fast. Its one of those cars that have a HUGE dependency on the driver, very broad range of times.
350Zs typically come with 245 runflat tires in the back stock but i think there is an option for 265s. the e46 M3 has an LSD so i don't put too much faith in that point, maybe 335s would trap 107+mph with an LSD...who knows :dunno

i noticed you drive a 328...of course a stock 335 will beat you pretty bad. from what i've heard/seen you are right in saying the 350Z is not too easy of a car to drive fast in a straight line. off hand i remember reading how the 2007s have had weird clutch issues that causes bogging off the line.

it looks like you are local, if you are interested i can probably manage to set you up with a 2007 350Z and see how badly it beats you too. hell, i'll even race you if you want, as i can pull on stock 335s in my M3 without too much effort.

just for the record, trap speeds meaning NOTHING when it comes to rolling start highway runs... And here is an example why:

I ran my buddy in his 2001 Camaro SS LS1 twice at the track. I beat him once and he beat me once. On the highway, I pull away from him above 120mph fairly easily all the way up to 160-170mph putting many lenghts inbetween us EVERYTIME. Trap numbers really should not be used when comparing two cars who ran on a highway. Just my opinion of course :rolleyesUmm.....how can trap speeds be meaningless....they are one of the most unbiased measures of a cars power to weight ratio. There are obviously other factors, gearing plays a huge role for example (many cars lose aggressive gearing after 4th gear, even on a 6 speed, BMW's usually don't).

The E.T. of your runs may be similar, but the trap speeds may tell a different story.

i noticed you drive a 328...of course a stock 335 will beat you pretty bad. from what i've heard/seen you are right in saying the 350Z is not too easy of a car to drive fast in a straight line. off hand i remember reading how the 2007s have had weird clutch issues that causes bogging off the line.

it looks like you are local, if you are interested i can probably manage to set you up with a 2007 350Z and see how badly it beats you too. hell, i'll even race you if you want, as i can pull on stock 335s in my M3 without too much effort.
Let me expand.

The clutch doesn't cause the car to bog, the clutch has slave overheating issues. The slave actually sticks midpoint in the release if you let it heat up much at all, if you don't react quickly you will cook the clutch and be shut down for a while. Only means - launch hard and you might abort.

I've mastered releasing the clutch and instantly pulling the pedal up with my toe to keep from burning the clutch too long. LSD does nothing on my good launches, I don't spin on a good launch, no broken traction = no lockup. The only thing it helps with is cleaning the tires before the run, a series of little burnouts are just as effective for that.

Just curious, does anyone consider an IS350/335 race a drivers race?

why do you assume? and Why do you make this kind of radical statements? So, far i've run couple of e36 M3, one is Mitchel's (mitchelrl) and none of them had a chance to really pull on me. (not saying they are slow, in fact Mitchel's M3 hadles like a gocart, its awesome). I have not had a chance to run against a 335. however, i played around one night with e46 m3, and the guy did not pull on me either. i did not get the impression that the e46 m3 was any faster than mine, and yes i did not pull on him either. so come on if you dont like a car, that does not make it slower than yours(never run against a 540).

What year Z do you have?

just for the record, trap speeds meaning NOTHING when it comes to rolling start highway runs... And here is an example why:

I ran my buddy in his 2001 Camaro SS LS1 twice at the track. I beat him once and he beat me once. On the highway, I pull away from him above 120mph fairly easily all the way up to 160-170mph putting many lenghts inbetween us EVERYTIME. Trap numbers really should not be used when comparing two cars who ran on a highway. Just my opinion of course :rolleyes

Trapspeeds don't mean everything but it is something that we can use to help judge cars on the highway. If he goes into 5th gear he's done because it's an overdrive. Your gearing is evenly spaced 1-6 so you can pull nicely to your limiter. His will pull hard through 4th gear then flatten out. If your gears were as long as his in 5th and 6th then your car would flatten out just the same.

What year Z do you have?
07

the best trap speeds of both cars says differently -- both 107mph. i may be mistaken but i have not seen a stock 335 trap 107mph which would give the 2007 350Z a slight advantage over it given perfect conditions. if nothing else it proves that it's a driver's race.

You have to look at how many MPH each gained in the last 1/8mile, that will tell you a story.

07

VQ35HR's are an amazing piece :buttrock It's amazing how many magazines are underrating them with some slow times compared to what drivers are able to get on the 350z boards.

VQ35HR's are an amazing piece :buttrock It's amazing how many magazines are underrating them with some slow times compared to what drivers are able to get on the 350z boards.
Its not an easy car to launch. Even with a fair bit of experience from my 328, jumping into the Z at the track was hard. A lot of chance for wheelspin - and my times are low because of my 330' time, not really anything else.

BS!

335's are fast, its just some drivers are not meant to be racersI have videos and pics!

Give me a little while to load the videos, but here are some pics from that night. The 335i is white. Unfortunately i did not take any direct pics of it, but if you look closely you'll be able to see it right behind a gray GLI.

Here are the pics:

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff59/03basesedan/dragstrip008Yes.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff59/03basesedan/dragstrip013Yes.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff59/03basesedan/dragstrip028Yes.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff59/03basesedan/dragstrip037Yes.jpg
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff59/03basesedan/dragstrip039Yes.jpg

This is a bad pic, but you can barely see the tail end of the 335 right behind the GLI. It's in the right side of the pic.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff59/03basesedan/dragstrip054Yes.jpg

Here's the GLI that the 335 raced. They were both friends.


EDIT: Here is the only video I could find of the 335. I apologize for the poor quality, but I was using a digital camera. He ran like a 15.5 becasue he missed second, but he was running consistent 14.1-14.2's @101-102 the whole night. He said he didn't have an LSD, so he was having issues hooking up.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff59/03basesedan/th_dragstrip050YESUSE.jpg (http://s243.photobucket.com/albums/ff59/03basesedan/?action=view&current=dragstrip050YESUSE.flv)

^^^ and?

^^^ and?

and he got proof that there was a 335 running low 14's at 101-102

and he got proof that there was a 335 running low 14's at 101-102

I noticed in your sig your have the Motordyne 1/2" spacer. Any noticeable gains from it? I am thinking about getting the spacer, but everyone tells me to go with the 5/16" spacer, not the 1/2".

I noticed in your sig your have the Motordyne 1/2" spacer. Any noticeable gains from it? I am thinking about getting the spacer, but everyone tells me to go with the 5/16" spacer, not the 1/2".
Longer runners = higher rpm to make power. (Correct me if I'm wrong). All its doing is shifting the peak torque/hp point up in RPM.

don't get your hopes high, you just hang with a driver who can't drive. Nothing more to it.

The OP openly admitted that, all things being equal, the 335 should be faster, stock for stock. There's no need for your ignorant comments.

^^^ and?

Again, there's no need for this. We already know that you have an idiotic elitist mindset. No amount of proof will convince you that your allmighty 335 can be beat.

i'm really looking forward to running with STOCK e46 m3 and 335I. come on where are the owners from WA , Seattle?

I can get you a run with an E46 M3 bro. I'll give you a hollar after the holiday.

I noticed in your sig your have the Motordyne 1/2" spacer. Any noticeable gains from it? I am thinking about getting the spacer, but everyone tells me to go with the 5/16" spacer, not the 1/2".
Either the 5/16's or the 1/2" is a great mod. The 1/2" just gives you more power at higher revs. You lose no power over stock, but the 5/16's gives you more in the mid range. I primarily noticed an increase in the 4500/5000 to redline range. I def. feel the spacer above 5k.

Either way, you can't go wrong.

I can get you a run with an E46 M3 bro. I'll give you a hollar after the holiday.
good, we can get together and take video clips, should be fun. have you run against one?

I've played with them at high speeds, but never lined up. Just playing cat and mouse I guess. I've lined up with one from a dig and a slow roll and did pretty well to 60, but he started leaving me after that.

He was still getting used to his car though. It would be a close race between those cars.

well i hope that we will have dry days in the near future here in WA. i've done the same thing with one e46 m3, but i dont consider it a run. what mods your buddy's M has? just curious

and he got proof that there was a 335 running low 14's at 101-102



This shows a horrible launch and i can run 25s as well, the point is to prove that it can go faster, anyone can have runs that are slower

This video doesn't show much at all, not even numbers, but that is not an issue.
What it comes down to AGAIN, 335 CAN run low 13's but will it depends on what between the seat and the steering wheel :)

About a month and a half ago at the strip there was an MT 335i sedan running low 14's at 101-102. That's what no LSD will do for ya.

no, that's what shitty driving will do for you. i've seen plenty of bone stock 335i's run in the mid 13's at the track without the help of an LSD.

Just curious, does anyone consider an IS350/335 race a drivers race?


I think the track numbers are close enough between the IS350 and 335, stock for stock, to call it a driver's race. A slight advantage going to the 335 but the numbers are very similar.

Either the 5/16's or the 1/2" is a great mod. The 1/2" just gives you more power at higher revs. You lose no power over stock, but the 5/16's gives you more in the mid range. I primarily noticed an increase in the 4500/5000 to redline range. I def. feel the spacer above 5k.

Either way, you can't go wrong.

Thanks bro!

The OP openly admitted that, all things being equal, the 335 should be faster, stock for stock. There's no need for your ignorant comments.

LOL!!! Gotta love the reading comprehension.:D

I think the track numbers are close enough between the IS350 and 335, stock for stock, to call it a driver's race. A slight advantage going to the 335 but the numbers are very similar.
I know, but I've raced modded is350's and walked them with a passenger.....people think my car won't be a drivers race with a 335, so I was trying to find another similar car...

Again, there's no need for this. We already know that you have an idiotic elitist mindset. No amount of proof will convince you that your allmighty 335 can be beat.
I don't even know why you bother, I don't care what you think and I'm sure as hell will not explain myself to you what I meant in my post... those posts weren't even directed at you, having any issues lately?

I think that it should be accepted that BMW made this engine to be much better then engine before and some people find it hard to believe the performance

If you don't own one or never drove one you should keep your mouth shut in threads involving these cars.

No hate here just reality

335s are FAST with the jb they are crazy FAST... they will beat 350z's is350s g35s easily and with the jb they will outrun e46 m3s.... I dont know why everyone doesnt believe how quick they are, but they definitely are the real deal

they will beat 350z's is350s g35s easily
I dont know why everyone doesnt believe how quick they are


Easily? I don't think so. From what i've seen and experienced so far, it's a driver's race between the 07 350z, 335, and IS350. Nobody is doubting the fact that the 335 is quick but stock it's not beating any of those cars easily. Just look at the timeslips and you will see that all 3 cars are within .2 sec in the 1/4. Thats what you call a driver's race.

you might get those times with the same prof driver but with two equal (normal) drivers the 335 will pull on all those cars

i wanna run one and see myself what the reality is. till then i dont think that there would be any significant difference between 07 Z and 335.

Easily? I don't think so. From what i've seen and experienced so far, it's a driver's race between the 07 350z, 335, and IS350. Nobody is doubting the fact that the 335 is quick but stock it's not beating any of those cars easily. Just look at the timeslips and you will see that all 3 cars are within .2 sec in the 1/4. Thats what you call a driver's race.

OOOOK not going to start this again, now with IS350 too.

i wanna run one and see myself what the reality is. till then i dont think that there would be any significant difference between 07 Z and 335. right?

i've seen a significant difference but i'd want see again with different drivers. BTW i briefly raced an older Z (03/04) yesterday, it was from 10 mph roll till about 50, but with my tuner i was able to zoom past him quite easily, but tuner/engine/shifting so different with 07 Z

OOOOK not going to start this again, now with IS350 too.

Denial owns you. Like I said, no amount of proof will convince you that your beloved 335 can ever be beat. Fanboi-ism at it's finest.

i've seen a significant difference but i'd want see again with different drivers. BTW i briefly raced an older Z (03/04) yesterday, it was from 10 mph roll till about 50, but with my tuner i was able to zoom past him quite easily, but tuner/engine/shifting so different with 07 Z
again i am talking about stock vs stock, now tuned 335 with other goodies would be a good race for a 350Z TT, then its a different story.

A buddy of mine has a e36 M3 with the AA Chip, Cosmos Racing Intake, 21/5# Injectors, 3.5 HFM and some "magical" custom exhaust. I had a stock 05 G 6mt and he'd beat me everytime we raced.

Now I have a full exhaust system. We did 3 runs from a roll last week (two 65 and one 45). I pulled him every single run and had him by a car +...I would've kept pullin him but we shut down at about 100 I believe. Seeing as I only have one mod and he has all those, I don't believe a stock e36 M3 can take a G coupe 6mt stock to stock. Thats just from what I've exp.

350Zs typically come with 245 runflat tires in the back stock but i think there is an option for 265s. the e46 M3 has an LSD so i don't put too much faith in that point, maybe 335s would trap 107+mph with an LSD...who knows :dunno

i noticed you drive a 328...of course a stock 335 will beat you pretty bad. from what i've heard/seen you are right in saying the 350Z is not too easy of a car to drive fast in a straight line. off hand i remember reading how the 2007s have had weird clutch issues that causes bogging off the line.

it looks like you are local, if you are interested i can probably manage to set you up with a 2007 350Z and see how badly it beats you too. hell, i'll even race you if you want, as i can pull on stock 335s in my M3 without too much effort.

I think if a Z raced a Quaiffe LSD'd 335 it would get beat badly at any speed, including from a dig.

the 335 is a quick little sob. but i wasnt driving my car when i tried to keep up, i was driving my buddies 03 350z, and it pulled away VERY hard, much more than a hr would on his non hr.

Honestly, its not a hard car to drive imo :dunno the clutch is stiff on all the VQ's ive driven, but im used to it because the clutch on my 318 was much stiffer.

Honestly, I always eliminate the problems to driver error. That is the only medium that is always consistent in every race, the loosest nut is always behind the wheel. Even in everyday driving with my friend, i often wonder if hes intentionally making the ride rough and bogging from a stop, becasue i had no probelms when driving the car for all of 10 minutes.

THe 350 goes thru first and second VERY quickly when driven correctly, and thats its strength imo, if somebody doesnt know how to shift smoothly and quickly it will be a MUCH slower car. It took my friend till 85/90 to catch me off the line, and im in a light modded 328 :rofl If i were to race myself, the 328 would be walked on by about 45/50 (my 3.91 LSD helps tremendously)

No need to arrange anything. the car is being sold soon and I know a 07 Z would murder me. So would your car, and i know a 335 will. no need to waste the gas. :)

I think if a Z raced a Quaiffe LSD'd 335 it would get beat badly at any speed, including from a dig.

the 335 is a quick little sob. but i wasnt driving my car when i tried to keep up, i was driving my buddies 03 350z, and it pulled away VERY hard, much more than a hr would on his non hr.

Honestly, its not a hard car to drive imo :dunno the clutch is stiff on all the VQ's ive driven, but im used to it because the clutch on my 318 was much stiffer.

Honestly, I always eliminate the problems to driver error. That is the only medium that is always consistent in every race, the loosest nut is always behind the wheel. Even in everyday driving with my friend, i often wonder if hes intentionally making the ride rough and bogging from a stop, becasue i had no probelms when driving the car for all of 10 minutes.

THe 350 goes thru first and second VERY quickly when driven correctly, and thats its strength imo, if somebody doesnt know how to shift smoothly and quickly it will be a MUCH slower car. It took my friend till 85/90 to catch me off the line, and im in a light modded 328 :rofl If i were to race myself, the 328 would be walked on by about 45/50 (my 3.91 LSD helps tremendously)

No need to arrange anything. the car is being sold soon and I know a 07 Z would murder me. So would your car, and i know a 335 will. no need to waste the gas. :)LSD isn't going to benefit anyone in a straight line race unless they are having some serious traction issues. 300 hp hardly causes that. Hell, I'd put money on a base Z (no LSD) being just as much a drivers race, the guy who had the stock times in the #1 spot for pre 07 (and 07 until I ran my quick time) has/had a base for both cars.

The clutch got messed with in 06, and more in 07, I say messed with because they messed it up :rolleyes.

Regardless, I've found a lot of people don't understand that if you are spinning, you lift until you get traction, spinning does nothing, bogging is better.

A chipped 335 would obviously beat a stock 350z, is350, or any other car it's being compared to, but that doesn't mean stock for stock it isn't close....13 psi vs 8 psi is a pretty significant change.....~20% more torque or so...

LSD isn't going to benefit anyone in a straight line race unless they are having some serious traction issues. 300 hp hardly causes that. Hell, I'd put money on a base Z (no LSD) being just as much a drivers race, the guy who had the stock times in the #1 spot for pre 07 (and 07 until I ran my quick time) has/had a base for both cars. +1

an LSD won't help as much as you think it will and it definitely won't from a roll unless traction is an issue at that speed. kinda OT but i believe some of the 335s actually have the stock diff welded in to prevent swapping it. guess bmw was scared people would buy a 335 and put another $5k into it to have an M3 beater.

a 335 is just as fast as as e46 M3 stock for stock and i'd even give the e46 M3 the slight edge in that race just based on what i've seen...do you think with the addition of an LSD the 335 would murder an e46 M3?

either way, like i said before the mere fact that we are discussing the specifics on this topic is a testament to the fact that the race could go either way with a 2007 350Z vs 335/e46 M3.

it really is a driver's race.

Easily? I don't think so. From what i've seen and experienced so far, it's a driver's race between the 07 350z, 335, and IS350. Nobody is doubting the fact that the 335 is quick but stock it's not beating any of those cars easily. Just look at the timeslips and you will see that all 3 cars are within .2 sec in the 1/4. Thats what you call a driver's race.

I don't know about '07 350Z, but older 350's the answer is yes, IS350 that's another yes, G35 and another yes... 335i easily takes those cars, yes.

i wanna run one and see myself what the reality is. till then i dont think that there would be any significant difference between 07 Z and 335.
I bet if you go to e90post.com you will find somebody from your area who will be willing to run you, if you're from ny area just throw me a PM :shifty.

I don't know about '07 350Z, but older 350's the answer is yes, IS350 that's another yes, G35 and another yes... 335i easily takes those cars, yes.


With equal drivers, no. The proof is in the time slips. You can deny it all you want but it's a driver's race. The fact that the IS350 only comes in auto means there's even less room for driver error vs a 6sp 335.

With equal drivers, no. The proof is in the time slips. You can deny it all you want but it's a driver's race. The fact that the IS350 only comes in auto means there's even less room for driver error vs a 6sp 335.
I don't know why are you throwing in 6sp 335 there, there are auto 335's as well, I have one. So, if you want put auto vs auto be my guest, that is even better because many tests' shown that 335 auto is faster than manual. From my exp. 335 was better, but than again I only had a chance to race one and it was only one race.

A buddy of mine has a e36 M3 with the AA Chip, Cosmos Racing Intake, 21/5# Injectors, 3.5 HFM and some "magical" custom exhaust. I had a stock 05 G 6mt and he'd beat me everytime we raced.

Now I have a full exhaust system. We did 3 runs from a roll last week (two 65 and one 45). I pulled him every single run and had him by a car +...I would've kept pullin him but we shut down at about 100 I believe. Seeing as I only have one mod and he has all those, I don't believe a stock e36 M3 can take a G coupe 6mt stock to stock. Thats just from what I've exp.

The exhaust does not do much for ya. You should have still pulled him when you were stock IMO.

The exhaust does not do much for ya. You should have still pulled him when you were stock IMO.

I feel the same way but he did. Thats why I quoted, "magical" exhaust. Keep in mind he had all those other mods...

So perfect timing for this one.

Today on my way home from work just cruising in the middle lane when out of know where, a silver 335i coupe comes flying up on my ass. I didn't know it was the 335i at this point, and moved over a lane so he could pass by. Thing is he switches lanes with me and stayed right behind me for a few seconds. I was like oook.. With no signs of warning, he pulls out from behind, floors it, and goes flying by me. Once past I noticed it was a 335i coupe! Now I'm interested basically just because of these threads lately. I mash it in 6th and eventually catch back up to him. He brakes to wait for me. I get along side and hear his car purring!! Seriously. I gear down to 3rd figuring he's already done the same, and punch it.... I got a small momentum advantage from the start, but it didn't really matter much. All through my 3rd gear he was still sitting 1/2 a car length behind me. Soon as I shift to 4th he starts making up some ground on me. Then I hear his car shift, with a nice loud POP! I don't know if he was grabbing 4th gear or if he was already grabbing 5th (not sure how the 335i's are geared, I was @ like 110 at this point). So he's coming up along side me, now taking about a 1/2 a car lead of his own. Right before I throw 5th, his car shifts again with a nice loud pop (I could smell the newness burning off his exhaust) I stay on it in 5th for a good few seconds before I let off with this guy probably a car and a half ahead of me! That's it! A car and a half!

He slowed down a bit and we tried to talk despite the 65mph howling wind noise. I asked him if he had software, and he said no, but he has an exhaust. Makes sense why his car was purring so loud now. I gave him a thumbs up and just cruised the rest of the way home.

Bottom line: A 335i coupe with exhaust only pulled 1-1/2 cars on my '04 G35 coupe from 65ish to 130-135~!!! He did give me the hit, however. But it wasn't like a huge jump. I only jumped out 1/2 a car.

Not impressed, honestly. I mean the car did sound wonderful, and did pull my car. But it's definitely not what some of you guys make it out to be, in basically stock form anyway.

Not trying to hate, or rile a ton of people up. But I wanted to share my experience with one today.

So perfect timing for this one.

Today on my way home from work just cruising in the middle lane when out of know where, a silver 335i coupe comes flying up on my ass. I didn't know it was the 335i at this point, and moved over a lane so he could pass by. Thing is he switches lanes with me and stayed right behind me for a few seconds. I was like oook.. With no signs of warning, he pulls out from behind, floors it, and goes flying by me. Once past I noticed it was a 335i coupe! Now I'm interested basically just because of these threads lately. I mash it in 6th and eventually catch back up to him. He brakes to wait for me. I get along side and hear his car purring!! Seriously. I gear down to 3rd figuring he's already done the same, and punch it.... I got a small momentum advantage from the start, but it didn't really matter much. All through my 3rd gear he was still sitting 1/2 a car length behind me. Soon as I shift to 4th he starts making up some ground on me. Then I hear his car shift, with a nice loud POP! I don't know if he was grabbing 4th gear or if he was already grabbing 5th (not sure how the 335i's are geared, I was @ like 110 at this point). So he's coming up along side me, now taking about a 1/2 a car lead of his own. Right before I throw 5th, his car shifts again with a nice loud pop (I could smell the newness burning off his exhaust) I stay on it in 5th for a good few seconds before I let off with this guy probably a car and a half ahead of me! That's it! A car and a half!

He slowed down a bit and we tried to talk despite the 65mph howling wind noise. I asked him if he had software, and he said no, but he has an exhaust. Makes sense why his car was purring so loud now. I gave him a thumbs up and just cruised the rest of the way home.

Bottom line: A 335i coupe with exhaust only pulled 1-1/2 cars on my '04 G35 coupe from 65ish to 130-135~!!! He did give me the hit, however. But it wasn't like a huge jump. I only jumped out 1/2 a car.

Not impressed, honestly. I mean the car did sound wonderful, and did pull my car. But it's definitely what some of you guys make it out to be, in basically stock form anyway.

Not trying to hate, or rile a ton of people up. But I wanted to share my experience with one today.

There are tons of variables in that race. You can't draw conclusions about 335s overall based on that one race. However, I will agree that the 335 is a little over-hyped in stock form. Average drivers are running mid-13s, potentially even a little higher. With a Juicebox stage 2/Procede, though, it will easily take an E46 M3, Z4M Coupe/Roadster, '07 350Z, and virtually all other cars in its class. It's truly a beast with just software, and even faster with DP/exhaust.

There are tons of variables in that race. You can't draw conclusions about 335s overall based on that one race. However, I will agree that the 335 is a little over-hyped in stock form. Average drivers are running mid-13s, potentially even a little higher. With a Juicebox stage 2/Procede, though, it will easily take an E46 M3, Z4M Coupe/Roadster, '07 350Z, and virtually all other cars in its class. It's truly a beast with just software, and even faster with DP/exhaust.
His point is that not all 335's are "fast". Not all of them have 107 traps, etc.

His point is that not all 335's are "fast". Not all of them have 107 traps, etc.
all 335 is faster than G35, but not all 335 drivers are fast.

all 335 is faster than G35, but not all 335 drivers are fast.
Ha, making generalizations is bad. So you're saying that this race was the result of a bad driver? Is that the excuse that we're going to have for all races with 335's that don't lead to a multiple bus length slaughter?

Ha, making generalizations is bad. So you're saying that this race was the result of a bad driver? Is that the excuse that we're going to have for all races with 335's that don't lead to a multiple bus length slaughter?
BMW didn't make a few 335i is stronger than the other 335i. My generalization is not far away from the truth, BMW created all stock 335s equally fast.

The reason why Revin2ten wasn't impressed is probably because 335 didn't leave him in the dust. He expected it to be a rocket.

Like ohnoes said, there are too many variables accountable in one race, and one can't draw conclusion from one race.

some people might overhyped 335, but the truth is, when both G35 and 335 mashed it together, 335 won't win by multiple bus length.

There are tons of variables in that race. You can't draw conclusions about 335s overall based on that one race. However, I will agree that the 335 is a little over-hyped in stock form. Average drivers are running mid-13s, potentially even a little higher. With a Juicebox stage 2/Procede, though, it will easily take an E46 M3, Z4M Coupe/Roadster, '07 350Z, and virtually all other cars in its class. It's truly a beast with just software, and even faster with DP/exhaust.
i would really like to see a comparison between a 350Z/G35 TT'ed and juiced up 335i. what the out come would be? and still the Z will be cheaper. why do we even get to this poit, when you have turbos it is easier to mod it, we all know that. it's like a comparison betweem a moded STI/EVO with a bmw e46 M3. (or whatever) You do have more options with the turbo. lets stick to the stock vs stock thing, because once it comes to modding a car, its not what car you have, it is how much you want to spend.

BMW didn't make a few 335i is stronger than the other 335i. My generalization is not far away from the truth, BMW created all stock 335s equally fast.

The reason why Revin2ten wasn't impressed is probably because 335 didn't leave him in the dust. He expected it to be a rocket.

Like ohnoes said, there are too many variables accountable in one race, and one can't draw conclusion from one race.

some people might overhyped 335, but the truth is, when both G35 and 335 mashed it together, 335 won't win by multiple bus length.
i still disagree with the comparison of G35 to a 335, regardless of what category - 1/4, luxury, or handling. i think the G35 can be compared to 335 only in luxury wise, not saying it is not fast, but when it comes to performance-wise i think the 350Z(like 07) has to be compared to the 335, or G37. G35 is a good car overall, but it is from the old generation pre-07. now i dont wanna see offended people, but that is what it is.

i would really like to see a comparison between a 350Z/G35 TT'ed and juiced up 335i. what the out come would be? and still the Z will be cheaper. why do we even get to this poit, when you have turbos it is easier to mod it, we all know that. it's like a comparison betweem a moded STI/EVO with a bmw e46 M3. (or whatever) You do have more options with the turbo. lets stick to the stock vs stock thing, because once it comes to modding a car, its not what car you have, it is how much you want to spend.

This is the first time I agree with you.

i still disagree with the comparison of G35 to a 335, regardless of what category - 1/4, luxury, or handling. i think the G35 can be compared to 335 only in luxury wise, not saying it is not fast, but when it comes to performance-wise i think the 350Z(like 07) has to be compared to the 335, or G37. G35 is a good car overall, but it is from the old generation pre-07. now i dont wanna see offended people, but that is what it is.

350z is a coupe and 2 seater, lighter and more agile than 335i. Maybe it's better to be compared with Z4 M coupe?

http://www.bmw-sg.com/photopost/watermark.php?file=8220

I like this thread.

There are tons of variables in that race. You can't draw conclusions about 335s overall based on that one race. However, I will agree that the 335 is a little over-hyped in stock form. Average drivers are running mid-13s, potentially even a little higher. With a Juicebox stage 2/Procede, though, it will easily take an E46 M3, Z4M Coupe/Roadster, '07 350Z, and virtually all other cars in its class. It's truly a beast with just software, and even faster with DP/exhaust.

You finally did some reading on piggybacks, good for you :buttrock

His point is that not all 335's are "fast". Not all of them have 107 traps, etc.
you could say the same about any car, not all G35's are as fast as, what's his sn? silver something, he even admitted that his G35 is a bit faster than the others. the point is all 335's are faster than g35's, the only question is by how much.

Lets not get into this again, the point is that even from the factory cars can come with various HP ratings, i dynoed with a friend with identical car and we had slightly different results, not by much but still different. same dyno same same testing time. BUT in a track or street race driver error is much more effective then + - 5 HP. so you can't say that your car dynoed 3.5 HP more then average so now you will beat everyone else

well, on a side note, if any of you want to be able to crush a TT 350z for some bragging rights, there is a black one in the sammamish area, with a midget asian driver that would race you. I beat him with just exhaust on my 350, and he has 437 at the wheels. Again, just if any of you want to be able to say that. He is by far the worst driver I have ever met before.

You finally did some reading on piggybacks, good for you :buttrock

:confused :rolleyes

Is your 350Z Twin Turbo? Will you go up against a 997 Turbo? My buddy would be down for that.

well, on a side note, if any of you want to be able to crush a TT 350z for some bragging rights, there is a black one in the sammamish area, with a midget asian driver that would race you. I beat him with just exhaust on my 350, and he has 437 at the wheels. Again, just if any of you want to be able to say that. He is by far the worst driver I have ever met before.