Everything is listed as compatible. Same ram requirements and same processor socket. I got a new motherboard because of the previous one was starting to get flaky and I wanted to run SLI which this new one can.

Here is the board:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3289215&CatId=1569

This worked and booted and was playing games on it last night.

Swapped everything over and put it all back into the case. Hit the power button, all the DVD/CD drives light up, the LEDs and the fans all go. With the ATI X800XL card in the PCI-E x16 port there is not beep when you press the power button, if you put it in the 2nd PCI-E port the computer beeps when you turn it on. Both ways there is NO video out at all. Absolutely nothing! No bios no nothing, just "no signal" on both my LCD screens(I run dual cards).

So what is up? What can I check? I moved the ram around in case the manual was wrong for single channel ram but nothing happened.

Anyone local look at it and help? I can offer lunch or dinner or something! Thanks!

Do you have the power connection on the X800 hooked up?? I can take a look at it this weekend if you like.

Power connection? The fan on my aftermarket cooler powers up. There was nothing on the old motherboard for "power".

It is a PCI-E card... That gets power through the motherboard/card correct?

Some of the X800s had power connections on them IIRC. It was either a 4 pin large molex or a small floppy connector.

2 regular X800XT's WILL NOT run Crossfire. You need one X800XT Crossfire edition and a regular one for that.

That is probably why only one is working. Is that winfast adapter that tells the motherboard in the right spot also??

Check for grounding issues in the case.
i.e.-build it outside of the case--mobo, cpu, ram, video then fire it up.
If it POSTS then add the HDD and Opticals, if it posts then reinstall in case paying close attention to the grounding lug locations

Check for grounding issues in the case.
i.e.-build it outside of the case--mobo, cpu, ram, video then fire it up.
If it POSTS then add the HDD and Opticals, if it posts then reinstall in case paying close attention to the grounding lug locations

Good one...

Yep, look for a 4 pin molex connector.

Also, try removing everything not necessary and install one component at a time.

First off, you can do better with the motherboard selection. It's always a "pay what you get for" situation when it comes to the boards. Second, try and unplug the 4 pin power connector located near the keyboard/mouse/etc area. It's up at the top left of the picture. If you don't have something plugged in there, that could be the fault as well. Some motherboards either require that plug, or dont. It could make the difference between the PC booting or not. Last but not least, make sure you have a power supply capable of handling all of your goodies. It sounds like you had it running before, but I don't know what was added and if it was a different power supply.

Notice the 4 pin square plug at the upper left of the motherboard:
http://images.tigerdirect.com/skuimages/large/Foxconn-NF4SKAA-8EKRS-F452-.jpg

Ok... so, no system beep to me means one of several things, the most likely of which has been said before; the power may not be plugged in on the X800 card. Besides this, the most likely problem is a bad DIMM. Try removing one memory stick, then the other and see if that fixes your issue.

The best way for "over the net" troubleshooting would be to post as many and as detailed photos as you can of the internals of the system with good lighting. That way we can see the inside of your computer and make sure it's not something weird like distended capacitors on the motherboard as well. Actually, check that, you could have a weird motherboard. If you see yellow goop dripping out of the black cylindrical things on the motherboard or if they're bulging on either the very top or from the base, that's a problem.

Other things to check for: does the fan on the GPU spin up when you turn on the system?

I am running a single card. Just 1 ATI x800XL

I know the motherboard is not "super"... Problem is right now I don't want to upgrade the CPU AND would need new ram... Don't want to put that much into it right now. Would like to get this to work.

I will take some pictures tomorrow and post them up.

The fan on the GPU spins up. The 4 pin "power plug" is plugged in.

Weird thing is that if you put the ATI card into the PCI-E x16 spot(position 1) then it doesn't get the BeeP at startup

If you put it into the 2nd slot it does beep.

Also

How did the RAM go bad? It worked last night, We properly removed and it immediately went back into this board. Could it not be compatible? Is that possible? They both require PC3200 and you can use single or dual channel with this board. I have 2x 512mb pc3200 single channel. The manual says to put in dimm 1 and 3 if you are running single channel and 1 and 2 if you are running dual channel. I have mine in 1 and 3. Once I got it up and running I was planning on upgrading to 2x 1gb dual channel but I need to get my vidoe back first :)

Again

All fans power up, lights blink on both DVD drives.

Also I don't know if the WinFast piece means Single card or SLI cards. It is labeled but I don't know how to decipher which mode it is in.

Thanks guys... If I have to I will get another board from newegg and claim this one is DOA. No worries :)

I am running a single card. Just 1 ATI x800XL

I know the motherboard is not "super"... Problem is right now I don't want to upgrade the CPU AND would need new ram... Don't want to put that much into it right now. Would like to get this to work.

I will take some pictures tomorrow and post them up.

The fan on the GPU spins up. The 4 pin "power plug" is plugged in.

Weird thing is that if you put the ATI card into the PCI-E x16 spot(position 1) then it doesn't get the BeeP at startup

If you put it into the 2nd slot it does beep.

Also

How did the RAM go bad? It worked last night, We properly removed and it immediately went back into this board. Could it not be compatible? Is that possible? They both require PC3200 and you can use single or dual channel with this board. I have 2x 512mb pc3200 single channel. The manual says to put in dimm 1 and 3 if you are running single channel and 1 and 2 if you are running dual channel. I have mine in 1 and 3. Once I got it up and running I was planning on upgrading to 2x 1gb dual channel but I need to get my vidoe back first :)

Again

All fans power up, lights blink on both DVD drives.

Also I don't know if the WinFast piece means Single card or SLI cards. It is labeled but I don't know how to decipher which mode it is in.

Thanks guys... If I have to I will get another board from newegg and claim this one is DOA. No worries :)

If that power plug is in, unplug it and try it that way. I also noticed a regular molex (black connector) right next to the SLI sockets. Do you have that plugged in? That might be where the video card gets power as well.

If that power plug is in, unplug it and try it that way. I also noticed a regular molex (black connector) right next to the SLI sockets. Do you have that plugged in? That might be where the video card gets power as well.

That 4 pin ATX plug on the top left is REQUIRED for the computer to run. It supplies 12v directly to the CPU.

Halston, that little winfast daughter board tells the motherboard, mainly the BIOS whether or not the system is running SLI or now running SLI. If you are running Crossfire on an SLI board may or may not work. I'm not 100% on that. It is also possible that the board could be DOA. Check the motherboards manufactures website for memory compatibility. A lot of motherboards will work will some memory. I ran into this issue a few times this year.

What is SLI, anyway? My motherboard says that all over the box but I don't know how to enable it. Or whether that would even speed anything up for me.

What is SLI, anyway? My motherboard says that all over the box but I don't know how to enable it. Or whether that would even speed anything up for me.

The basic idea of SLI is to allow two (or more) graphics processing units (or GPUs) to share the work load when rendering a 3D scene. Ideally, two identical graphics cards are installed in a motherboard that contains two PCI-Express x16 slots, set up in a master-slave configuration. Both cards are given the same part of the game (scene) to render, but effectively half of the work load is sent to the slave card through a connector dubbed the SLI Bridge. For example, in some cases the slave card will work on the bottom half of the screen. The slave then sends its rendered output to the master card, where it is incorporated into the master card's own image (in the frame buffer) and sent to the screen.

In its early implementations, motherboards capable of SLI required a special card (the size of a credit card) which came with the motherboard, which would fit into a socket usually located between both of the PCI-Express x16 slots. Depending on which way the card was inserted, the motherboard would channel the full x16 lanes into the top slot, for a single GPU configuration. If in SLI mode, the motherboard would split the 16 PCI-Express lanes in both slots to only allow a maximum of 8 lanes per card. This was necessary as no motherboard at that time had enough PCI-E lanes for two full x16 slots. Due to the advancement in available PCI-E lanes, most modern SLI-capable motherboards allow each video card to use all 16 lanes in the PCI-Express x16 slot, rendering any method of sharing the lanes obsolete.

The SLI bridge is used to reduce bandwidth constraints, and send data between both graphics cards directly. It is possible to run SLI without using the bridge connector on a pair of low-end to mid-range graphics cards (e.g. 7100GS or 6600GT) with nVidia drivers 80.XX or later. Since these graphics cards do not use as much bandwidth, data can be relayed through just the chipsets on the motherboard, via the PCI-E connectors. This is also possible on ATI CrossFire. Both CrossFire and SLI suffer severe performance penalties when this method is used on two high-end cards as the bus will be loaded down with data both from the CPU as well as the master sending data to the slave and the slave sending data to the master.

SLI offers two rendering and one anti-aliasing method for splitting the work between the video cards:

* Split Frame Rendering (SFR), the first rendering method. This analyzes the rendered image in order to split the workload 50/50 between the two GPUs. To do this, the frame is split horizontally in varying ratios depending on geometry. For example, in a scene where the top half of the frame is mostly empty sky, the dividing line will lower (so that both cards have an equal share), balancing geometry workload between the two GPUs. This method does not scale geometry or work as well as AFR, however.
* Alternate Frame Rendering (AFR), the second rendering method. Here, each GPU renders entire frames in sequence - one GPU processes even frames, and the second processes odd frames, one after the other. When the secondary card finishes work on a frame (or part of a frame) the results are sent via the SLI bridge to the master GPU, which then outputs the completed frames. Ideally, this would result in the rendering time being cut in half, and thus performance from the video cards would double. In their advertising, NVIDIA claims up to 1.9 x the performance of one card with the dual-card setup. (There is another mode, AFR2, which can be manually chosen, but NVIDIA has not documented the difference between it and normal AFR.)
* SLI Antialiasing. This is a standalone rendering mode that offers up to double the antialiasing performance by splitting the antialiasing workload between the two graphics cards, offering superior image quality. One GPU performs an antialiasing pattern which is slightly offset to the usual pattern (for example, slightly up and to the right), and the second GPU uses a pattern offset by an equal amount in the opposite direction (down and to the left). Compositing both the results gives higher image quality than is normally possible. This mode is not intended for higher frame rates, and can actually lower performance, but is instead intended for games which are not GPU-bound, offering a clearer image in place of better performance. When enabled, SLI Antialiasing offers advanced antialiasing options: SLI 8X, SLI 16X, and SLI 32x (8800-series only). A Quad SLI system is capable of up to SLI 64X antialiasing.

NVIDIA has created a set of custom video game profiles in cooperation with video game publishers that will automatically enable SLI in the mode that gives the largest performance boost. It is also possible to create custom game profiles or modify pre-defined profiles using their Coolbits software.



**clifnotes = you can run 2 video cards together for hyper speed**

guys I am not running two cards...

I swapped my working ATI X800xl from the old motherboard to this one...


What is a molex?

Uploading pics...

I think after reading and such I am leaning towards DOA...

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l227/mdywglr4x4/motherboard/P1030172.jpg

and

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l227/mdywglr4x4/motherboard/P1030171.jpg

and

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l227/mdywglr4x4/motherboard/P1030170.jpg

and

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l227/mdywglr4x4/motherboard/P1030169.jpg

and

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l227/mdywglr4x4/motherboard/P1030168.jpg

and

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l227/mdywglr4x4/motherboard/P1030167.jpg

and

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l227/mdywglr4x4/motherboard/P1030164.jpg

Here is the schematics from the board(sorry its 4 pictures)

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l227/mdywglr4x4/motherboard/P1030178.jpg

and

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l227/mdywglr4x4/motherboard/P1030177.jpg

and

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l227/mdywglr4x4/motherboard/P1030175.jpg

and

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l227/mdywglr4x4/motherboard/P1030173.jpg

Oh yah and its a 550W power supply. Had no issues before. Nothing was added.

Guys

I am thinking about returning it and saying it was DOA...


Will this stuff be better? I currently have a 430W Power Supply, 256gb x800xl card and ddr single channel 1gb ram

Motherboard/CPU/Ram deal -
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3163514&sku=MCM-M2NE-5400A

New Power Supply - Modular so only hookup what I need!
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2974488&sku=ULT31851%20K

New card(it is Nvidia which should be more compatible) -
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3445092&sku=P450-8670

I will buy a 2nd card once I get the system booted and running. How do I setup SLI and what does "SLI ready" power supply mean?

Also,

Will my 939 socket cpu cooler work on the am2 processor? It is OEM so no fan/cooler comes with it.

Thanks

where are you located? I could swing by if you are local.

The basic idea of SLI is to allow two (or more) graphics processing units (or GPUs) to share the work load when rendering a 3D scene. Ideally, two identical graphics cards are installed in a motherboard that contains two PCI-Express x16 slots, set up in a master-slave configuration. Both cards are given the same part of the game (scene) to render, but effectively half of the work load is sent to the slave card through a connector dubbed the SLI Bridge. For example, in some cases the slave card will work on the bottom half of the screen. The slave then sends its rendered output to the master card, where it is incorporated into the master card's own image (in the frame buffer) and sent to the screen.

In its early implementations, motherboards capable of SLI required a special card (the size of a credit card) which came with the motherboard, which would fit into a socket usually located between both of the PCI-Express x16 slots. Depending on which way the card was inserted, the motherboard would channel the full x16 lanes into the top slot, for a single GPU configuration. If in SLI mode, the motherboard would split the 16 PCI-Express lanes in both slots to only allow a maximum of 8 lanes per card. This was necessary as no motherboard at that time had enough PCI-E lanes for two full x16 slots. Due to the advancement in available PCI-E lanes, most modern SLI-capable motherboards allow each video card to use all 16 lanes in the PCI-Express x16 slot, rendering any method of sharing the lanes obsolete.

The SLI bridge is used to reduce bandwidth constraints, and send data between both graphics cards directly. It is possible to run SLI without using the bridge connector on a pair of low-end to mid-range graphics cards (e.g. 7100GS or 6600GT) with nVidia drivers 80.XX or later. Since these graphics cards do not use as much bandwidth, data can be relayed through just the chipsets on the motherboard, via the PCI-E connectors. This is also possible on ATI CrossFire. Both CrossFire and SLI suffer severe performance penalties when this method is used on two high-end cards as the bus will be loaded down with data both from the CPU as well as the master sending data to the slave and the slave sending data to the master.

SLI offers two rendering and one anti-aliasing method for splitting the work between the video cards:

* Split Frame Rendering (SFR), the first rendering method. This analyzes the rendered image in order to split the workload 50/50 between the two GPUs. To do this, the frame is split horizontally in varying ratios depending on geometry. For example, in a scene where the top half of the frame is mostly empty sky, the dividing line will lower (so that both cards have an equal share), balancing geometry workload between the two GPUs. This method does not scale geometry or work as well as AFR, however.
* Alternate Frame Rendering (AFR), the second rendering method. Here, each GPU renders entire frames in sequence - one GPU processes even frames, and the second processes odd frames, one after the other. When the secondary card finishes work on a frame (or part of a frame) the results are sent via the SLI bridge to the master GPU, which then outputs the completed frames. Ideally, this would result in the rendering time being cut in half, and thus performance from the video cards would double. In their advertising, NVIDIA claims up to 1.9 x the performance of one card with the dual-card setup. (There is another mode, AFR2, which can be manually chosen, but NVIDIA has not documented the difference between it and normal AFR.)
* SLI Antialiasing. This is a standalone rendering mode that offers up to double the antialiasing performance by splitting the antialiasing workload between the two graphics cards, offering superior image quality. One GPU performs an antialiasing pattern which is slightly offset to the usual pattern (for example, slightly up and to the right), and the second GPU uses a pattern offset by an equal amount in the opposite direction (down and to the left). Compositing both the results gives higher image quality than is normally possible. This mode is not intended for higher frame rates, and can actually lower performance, but is instead intended for games which are not GPU-bound, offering a clearer image in place of better performance. When enabled, SLI Antialiasing offers advanced antialiasing options: SLI 8X, SLI 16X, and SLI 32x (8800-series only). A Quad SLI system is capable of up to SLI 64X antialiasing.

NVIDIA has created a set of custom video game profiles in cooperation with video game publishers that will automatically enable SLI in the mode that gives the largest performance boost. It is also possible to create custom game profiles or modify pre-defined profiles using their Coolbits software.



**clifnotes = you can run 2 video cards together for hyper speed**so if I don't play games, it won't make a damn bit of difference, then?

Crossfire won't work on an SLI motherboard. SLI is the NVidia implementation with an NVidia chipset. The SLI and Crossfire drawing schemes are completely different (i.e. how the screen gets split between the two cards). However, there should be no reason why an ATI board couldn't be run in non-SLI mode in an SLI motherboard.

Is it possible you set the BIOS to SLI by mistake? Try following the instructions in the motherboard manual to reset the BIOS to default. It will involve that "Clear CMOS Jumper" shown in the 2nd to last picture.

Are you anywhere near Smyrna?

so if I don't play games, it won't make a damn bit of difference, then?
Possibly minor (really, really minor) difference if you're running Vista. I'm not sure on that and it certainly wouldn't justify the expense.

where are you located? I could swing by if you are local.

Alpharetta or Midtown/Buckhead area.

Crossfire won't work on an SLI motherboard. SLI is the NVidia implementation with an NVidia chipset. The SLI and Crossfire drawing schemes are completely different (i.e. how the screen gets split between the two cards). However, there should be no reason why an ATI board couldn't be run in non-SLI mode in an SLI motherboard.

Is it possible you set the BIOS to SLI by mistake? Try following the instructions in the motherboard manual to reset the BIOS to default. It will involve that "Clear CMOS Jumper" shown in the 2nd to last picture.

Are you anywhere near Smyrna?

1 - I am not running two cards :)

2 - I can't get any output of video so I can't check the Bios or anything. I think it should work too.

It has never booted so I don't know how it could have been switched to haha

I am beginning to think it is DOA

It may have come from the factory in SLI mode, though it shouldn't.

Did you buy new memory with it or are you re-using older memory? Some newer chipsets get mighty picky about what memory they'll work with.

That 4 pin ATX plug on the top left is REQUIRED for the computer to run. It supplies 12v directly to the CPU.

Halston, that little winfast daughter board tells the motherboard, mainly the BIOS whether or not the system is running SLI or now running SLI. If you are running Crossfire on an SLI board may or may not work. I'm not 100% on that. It is also possible that the board could be DOA. Check the motherboards manufactures website for memory compatibility. A lot of motherboards will work will some memory. I ran into this issue a few times this year.

Maybe you can explain why I have two computers sitting here without that plugged in. Maybe you can tell me why the computer doesn't start when I do have that 4 pin plugged in. Maybe you can then tell me that I don't know anything, even though I have been diagnosing computer related issues since I was 8 years old.

It may have come from the factory in SLI mode, though it shouldn't.

Did you buy new memory with it or are you re-using older memory? Some newer chipsets get mighty picky about what memory they'll work with.

There is a little board between the PCI ports. It is a rectangle. 1 side says SLI Mode the other says Normal. It shipped with the Normal side into the connector. I can't see where it says Normal I can only see SLI mode and it is upside down. I figure this means it is in Normal mode.

Maybe you can explain why I have two computers sitting here without that plugged in. Maybe you can tell me why the computer doesn't start when I do have that 4 pin plugged in. Maybe you can then tell me that I don't know anything, even though I have been diagnosing computer related issues since I was 8 years old.

Keep it civil. I am a computer noob. I just like to play with things sometimes.

The problem is solved. I got an RMA for refund. The board is going back. I have a the following coming.

-ASUS M2N-E SLI Socket AM2 Mobo
-AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400+ 2.80GHz Socket AM2 OEM Processor
-Ultra 1024MB PC4200 DDR2 533MHz Memory

This is sold as a "bundle" so I assume the damn memory is compatible, or Tiger can deal with it. I WILL upgrade to better RAM within a month once I get up and running and it will be 2gb not 1.

Also coming is

-XFX GeForce 8600 GT Video Card - 512MB DDR2, PCI Express, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) DVI, VGA, HDTV, Video Card

Got this so that I can go SLI later, I will order a 2nd one of these once I get the thing up and running, plus this is an upgrade to my current card.

-Ultra X2 ULT31851 550-Watt Power Supply - ATX, 120mm Fan, SLI Ready, SATA-Ready, 20/24-Pin, Modular

Got this so I can go SLI and it is modular so it will be cleaner. On top of that it has 550W, increase from my current 430W

So who can help me install all of this? Can I use my 939 socket Cooler/Fan on the AM2 or do I need to buy an AM2 cooler/fan? Placing order tonight so let me know.

Halston I can build it for you when it all comes in.

What about the cooler/fan? Swapable?

Are you using the DVI ports? if so, i have seen(several times) cards with AGP and DVI default through the Motherboard to AGP, with no way to switch over without getting a DVI to AGP adapter... but the x1800xt is dual dvi... either way makesure the mobo isn't set to AGP mode if you can get hold of a AGP PCI-E video card.

EDIT: meh you took the easy way out... oh well enjoy the new one when the parts get in.

^^^^^^^^^^^ call me kthx bye

hmmm

easy way out maybe... I want it to just work...

:)

Alpharetta or Midtown/Buckhead area.



1 - I am not running two cards :)

2 - I can't get any output of video so I can't check the Bios or anything. I think it should work too.

It has never booted so I don't know how it could have been switched to haha

I am beginning to think it is DOA

I did not see a power connector plugged into your video card. It should be the same type of connector you have on your DVD drive. It'll be towards the rear of the card.

Maybe you can explain why I have two computers sitting here without that plugged in. Maybe you can tell me why the computer doesn't start when I do have that 4 pin plugged in. Maybe you can then tell me that I don't know anything, even though I have been diagnosing computer related issues since I was 8 years old.

Okay... wtf is your problem??? Every computer that has a Pentium 4 or better on an Intel platform REQUIRES a 12v 4pin ATX connection. Every AMD 64bit Athlon requires the same connection. Do you want proof? You know what, I did not say you did not know anything. You are NOT the only person on this forum that has been working on computers since they were a kid.

Intel proof (http://www.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/sb/cs-007994.htm)

AMD Stuff

Site 1 (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_869_9460%5E9514,00.html)
More to come as AMD does not release that much info like Intel.

I am also curious to what CPU and mobo you are running without that connector. My Asus board had both those connectors and still BOTH were required for it to work.

The card NEVER had any power connector on it... Ever

PCI-E gets it power through the board... That is supposedly one of its "benefits".


It doesn't matter now... I have new better stuff, well much better stuff coming

Now back to my questions

1 - Do I need a new CPU Fan/Heatsink. Most of them say 939/am2 on tiger and newegg. I don't want to get that far into it and have to order a damn fan.

2 - So the video card is DEAD. I put the old system back together and it won't boot. Does the same thing :( Looks like it go zapped.

How do I prevent this?

The card NEVER had any power connector on it... Ever

PCI-E gets it power through the board... That is supposedly one of its "benefits".


It doesn't matter now... I have new better stuff, well much better stuff coming

Now back to my questions

1 - Do I need a new CPU Fan/Heatsink. Most of them say 939/am2 on tiger and newegg. I don't want to get that far into it and have to order a damn fan.

2 - So the video card is DEAD. I put the old system back together and it won't boot. Does the same thing :( Looks like it go zapped.

How do I prevent this?

Sorry. I did not see your post before robs first post. That is unfortunate that your GPU took a dive. You need to ground yourself, touch your case or get an anti static wrist band. Static kills PC parts pretty much instantly.

As far as your CPU cooler goes, check and compare between your fan and an AM2 fan. That is if you bought an AM2 system. What did you order, I can tell you from looking at it.

I got an anti static strap... Not taking chances this time.

Should I wear a pair of like silk gloves? A pair of gloves?

Sorry. I did not see your post before robs first post. That is unfortunate that your GPU took a dive. You need to ground yourself, touch your case or get an anti static wrist band. Static kills PC parts pretty much instantly.

As far as your CPU cooler goes, check and compare between your fan and an AM2 fan. That is if you bought an AM2 system. What did you order, I can tell you from looking at it.

It's ok... Now I get a big upgrade :)

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3163514&CatId=2430

I got that and a GeForce 8600GT 512mb

Also got a new 550W PS that is modular and SLI ready...

The current heatsink fan I have is whatever came with the compaq new... It is a socket 939 AMD 64 3800+

Now I have a socket AM2 AND 64 x2 5400+ coming

If I have to I buy a new fan that looks badass and works badass

PM Sent

Nice CPU. I just bought a 4800 a few nights ago. A huge difference from my Pentium D. Nice combo too. Tiger Direct has some of the best deals when it comes to combos.

Okay... wtf is your problem??? Every computer that has a Pentium 4 or better on an Intel platform REQUIRES a 12v 4pin ATX connection. Every AMD 64bit Athlon requires the same connection. Do you want proof? You know what, I did not say you did not know anything. You are NOT the only person on this forum that has been working on computers since they were a kid.

Intel proof (http://www.intel.com/support/processors/pentium4/sb/cs-007994.htm)

AMD Stuff

Site 1 (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_869_9460%5E9514,00.html)
More to come as AMD does not release that much info like Intel.

I am also curious to what CPU and mobo you are running without that connector. My Asus board had both those connectors and still BOTH were required for it to work.

Sorry about that Justin. I've dealt with too much garbage when it comes to computers. That's why I am at school for automotive technology. ;)

I have a dual core Intel 2.0ghz running without that 4pin ATX connector. That connector has been a hit and miss with the many installs that I have worked on. Having it plugged in when it wasn't needed would leave the system dead, like what Halston was dealing with.

Nerds. All of you are huge nerds.

Sorry about that Justin. I've dealt with too much garbage when it comes to computers. That's why I am at school for automotive technology. ;)

I have a dual core Intel 2.0ghz running without that 4pin ATX connector. That connector has been a hit and miss with the many installs that I have worked on. Having it plugged in when it wasn't needed would leave the system dead, like what Halston was dealing with.

No problem. I've probably dealt with just as much crap though. This is also why I do not work on computers for a living anymore. Every now and then is cool though. The only real problem I've ran into lately are certain motherboards and RAM not working well together.

Nerds. All of you are huge nerds.

I do not plan on taking over the world though... :devillook

Sorry about that Justin. I've dealt with too much garbage when it comes to computers. That's why I am at school for automotive technology. ;)

I have a dual core Intel 2.0ghz running without that 4pin ATX connector. That connector has been a hit and miss with the many installs that I have worked on. Having it plugged in when it wasn't needed would leave the system dead, like what Halston was dealing with.

My GPU is/was dead :)

I put the old system back together... same problem now. I have ground strap coming with my stuff this time!

Trust me, ESD was not the cause of your problems. Did you have an ATI card? If so, i've personally seen more than 10 ATI cards simply stop working for no reason whatsoever. I went Nvidia, same card as you and everything works great. I work in electronics design and although everyone always talks about ESD but I never find it to be a problem.

Trust me, ESD was not the cause of your problems. Did you have an ATI card? If so, i've personally seen more than 10 ATI cards simply stop working for no reason whatsoever. I went Nvidia, same card as you and everything works great. I work in electronics design and although everyone always talks about ESD but I never find it to be a problem.
I think that's a very broad generalization based on not much information. I've seen people fry motherboards, ram, processors, etc. without even realizing it, and I can assure you that everything was hooked up correctly in the machine. To blame it on AMD/ATI is quite frankly a bit sensationalist. Is it possible that it's just a bad card that died for no reason? Sure. Can you say definitively that his problem was not ESD? No.

Honestly, I think there's probably more to this story than we know (since no one with a bunch of experience has looked at the machine), but if you're moving an entire assembly from one motherboard to another, there's a lot of room for things to go wrong with static discharge.

Trust me, ESD was not the cause of your problems. Did you have an ATI card? If so, i've personally seen more than 10 ATI cards simply stop working for no reason whatsoever. I went Nvidia, same card as you and everything works great. I work in electronics design and although everyone always talks about ESD but I never find it to be a problem.

Yes it was an ATI card. But it was removed twice before to swap from case to case and another time to install the aftermarket cooler on it. Never a problem. I really doubt that it just decided that this time it was going to die. Would seem really odd.

But now I have a GeForce 512 card coming and it is new and ready to go. If it dies I will get another one :)

Should've brought it over man. If I couldn't get it to run, we could've taken i to Abra and it would've been running that night if it wasn't a parts issue.

Yah prolly

BUt now Ken I have badass stuff coming :) hehehe

aaahhh ya see I have the first motherboard you had bought and I've had no hiccups for over a year! :) and if your buying that 8600 it is going to need a separate power connector attached to it. My 7950GT needed a separate power connector for it :), so just be careful, one thing i always did to ground myself during my computer builds was to constantly or periodically touch the metal case of the computer. I've yet to fry a computer component :). Good luck with the new build, I'm waiting to get some funds for 8800 sli's

I will have dual 8600 in SLI

Once I get up and running.

I will have dual 8600 in SLI

Once I get up and running.

Your up late. :shifty

huh?

I am up late every night