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onasled

12-03-2007, 08:45 PM

No more pics until its done. Then I will get a boat load up.
Steve, paint is my design. Just went for it and that's what came out. It's growing on me. Kinda the Gulf colors on a different scheme.
There are very few bumpers available for the Mini. Most are just too hard to alter to work for this car. I've modified this one a lot. I'll post a pic of what it was when I started. The opening is big for two reasons. One is that I am running a smaller radiator and really needed good flow to it. Also, this is the only opening that can flow air into the engine compartment. That air can easily escape through the wheel wells as directed. The opening above it has (not installed yet) a duct that flows directly into the intercooler and is exhausted out through the top of the hood. A smaller ducted will go to the TB. I've done the best I can to keep air out from in and under this car.
Wing is just an ARP, but I think it will be perfect for the hatch style of the Mini. As far as I know there are no allowances for wing height on hatches to be higher then roof line, but I'm looking more for drag reduction then downforce with this wing, so this will not be an issue.

Steve J.

12-03-2007, 08:54 PM

Yea, with the number decals and other decals should look very nostalgic.

Funny you mentioned drag reduction, that bumper is like a wall. I think you are on the right track with having stuff exit out the hood.

You should experiment with and without the wing as well.

Is there a diffuser/rear undertray?

I wonder if Mini USA is interested in sponsoring it for publicity ;)

Mater

12-03-2007, 08:54 PM

[quote=onasled;11391384]Gettin all the little stuff done. Really, car looks so much better in person. :cool

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/mini200.jpg[/quote I want one please!! It's not like any mini i've seen. Great job!!!

onasled

12-03-2007, 09:05 PM

Yea Steve. Remember that there is just no room on Minis. That motor is literly forward of the wheels so there is just no room to make good bodywork airflow. Minis are Bricks, ....
I was even thinking of an early Porsche RSR style, but just didn't want to take the chance that it would not work. Also not legal for BMWCR.

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/mini301.jpg

Matt

12-03-2007, 09:09 PM

VERY cool. :buttrock

osborni

12-03-2007, 09:11 PM

Decals for headlights or just tits?

:alright

This is a great build!

///Mracer

12-03-2007, 09:18 PM

now that is how a mini should look!!!:buttrock:buttrock

Great job.

Deadphan

12-03-2007, 09:28 PM

Looks great! Did you use to have a mini with race seats and a wing? I think it was black.

onasled

12-03-2007, 09:33 PM

Looks great! Did you use to have a mini with race seats and a wing? I think it was black.

Ha-ha.... still have that car, but it's white with a blue stripe... :D

This is how it used to look...

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/mini_at_glen.jpg

Cory M

12-03-2007, 09:40 PM

NICE! I think it looks great.

TOOLEAN

12-03-2007, 10:11 PM

Wow! Excellent work! Congrats, your efforts are paying off.

DBurke

12-03-2007, 10:11 PM

Schweet! Can I come take a look at it sometime?

Steve J.

12-03-2007, 10:35 PM

Nice, I'm going to try and fit a duct in like that too...tough with radiator/intercooler up there as well.

jone30

12-03-2007, 10:52 PM

Is the "louver" in the hood ducted towards the coolers/radiator or is it open to the whole engine bay?

JClark

12-03-2007, 11:01 PM

It's even cooler than I expected! :buttrock

Steve J.

12-03-2007, 11:11 PM

Is the "louver" in the hood ducted towards the coolers/radiator or is it open to the whole engine bay?

Thats the exit or extraction side of the cooling system. Air comes in front, comes out the hood.

You can reduce drag (and in some cases create downforce) by creative cooling duct work and duct paths. You just have to be careful with the exit flow path, as in some cases it can cause disruptions for air hitting the rear wing (i.e. prototypes, gt cars).

tammer

12-03-2007, 11:14 PM

Thats the exit or extraction side of the cooling system. Air comes in front, comes out the hood.

You can reduce drag (and in some cases create downforce) by creative cooling duct work and duct paths. You just have to be careful with the exit flow path, as in some cases it can cause disruptions for air hitting the rear wing (i.e. prototypes, gt cars).
I remember a duct like this on the Kimini, too. On sedans the base of the windshield is a high-pressure area, which would make extraction of hot air there difficult. Is this effective just because it's far enough towards the nose of the car to avoid that high-pressure zone?

-tammer <--aero moron

Steve J.

12-03-2007, 11:21 PM

Deadphan

12-04-2007, 12:03 AM

Ha-ha.... still have that car, but it's white with a blue stripe... :D

This is how it used to look...

Haha, wow. Quite a transformation. Then I did meet you a couple years ago at Lime Rock. I think it was one of my first track events.

98 528i

12-04-2007, 12:06 AM

:redspot

ProStreetDriver

12-04-2007, 12:12 AM

that looks crazy! got any pics of the engine bay and inside the car?

jone30

12-04-2007, 01:35 AM

Thats the exit or extraction side of the cooling system. Air comes in front, comes out the hood.

You can reduce drag (and in some cases create downforce) by creative cooling duct work and duct paths. You just have to be careful with the exit flow path, as in some cases it can cause disruptions for air hitting the rear wing (i.e. prototypes, gt cars).

Yea, I know that in a perfect situation that the hole creates a low pressure zone and allows high pressure air to exit from inside the engine bay, but with the side vents behind the front wheels, I wasn't sure if he had any ducting so that it only pulled air from an enclosed ducting structure for the coolers or if it was open to the engine bay.

run on sentences - ftl

Steve J.

12-04-2007, 02:13 AM

...The opening above it has (not installed yet) a duct that flows directly into the intercooler and is exhausted out through the top of the hood.

... I wasn't sure if he had any ducting so that it only pulled air from an enclosed ducting structure for the coolers or if it was open to the engine bay.

Gotcha. It was buried in one of his replies on the first page, I quoted in this reply.

robbo mcs

12-04-2007, 05:37 AM

onasled

12-04-2007, 08:56 AM

Hi,

Great looking car :D

Just to repeat what someone else said earlier, take a hard look at the rear wing, and test with and without it :D

A front wheel car does not need a huge amount of rear downforce even in stock mode. With the massive amount of rubber you are running this car may not need any more rear end grip, and using such a massive rear wing will act as a huge air brake, and will slow you down :)

You will need to do a lot of test days to get on top of suspension settings, ie testing different spring and shock rates, tyre pressures etc, along with camber settings etc etc. Good luck, because you will be on your own, with no similar cars to help you out .

I look forward to seeing how it goes :) Out of the box it should be fast, but with some serious testing and tuning it should be awesome :D:D:D

Cheers

Robbo
Yea, rear wing will be tested without a doubt. Though being that this wing sits in dirtier air then typical sedans my thinking is that it will help clean that flow.
Steve asked about a rear diffuser. Yes, I still have that to build and depend on that more then the wing for downforce and drag reduction. .
Testing, testing, testing! Yes, especially since this car has been so heavily modified. Let alone it will take me some time to learn how to drive it.
Thanks for the input... :)

tammer

12-04-2007, 10:08 AM

High pressure or low pressure? That area is usually low pressure, thats how the Cowl Induction systems work.

And yes, its very effective. Look at any gt/lmp type car, and you'll see inlets in front and outlets either in top or the side.

RSR/430gt/etc they all get the air to the sides. Specifically on the Ferrari, they produce a lot of aero with underbody, and all these small elements help...but they are also rear engine.
I must be missing something. Begin public display of ignorance:

With cowl induction you're pulling air into the motor from the base of the windshield (via scoops that open toward the rear of the car). Here, you're pulling air out from underhood after it flows over the intercooler. How are both effective?

-tammer

onasled

12-04-2007, 10:17 AM

I must be missing something. Begin public display of ignorance:

With cowl induction you're pulling air into the motor from the base of the windshield (via scoops that open toward the rear of the car). Here, you're pulling air out from underhood after it flows over the intercooler. How are both effective?

-tammer
Not all pressure over the hood is the same. If you look at the mini it has a very aggressive "nose" which, in my thinking, creates a large lift area, which in turn will "pull" up at the hood. It's not until you get up closer to the windshield that you get a high pressure area , due to the transition from hood to roof.
So, if that duct were any closer to the windshield then I may have less lift. Now this is all without the study in a wind tunnel, but mine happens to be broken at the moment so I'll just have to start from assumption... :D

NotoriousJJE

12-04-2007, 10:21 AM

the mini looks great. Cheers for originality and execution of a beautiful car. I bet you will have many people in the paddock inquiring about the car.

In fact, I want one!

tammer

12-04-2007, 10:22 AM

Not all pressure over the hood is the same. If you look at the mini it has a very aggressive "nose" which, in my thinking, creates a large lift area, which in turn will "pull" up at the hood. It's not until you get up closer to the windshield that you get a high pressure area , due to the transition from hood to roof.
So, if that duct were any closer to the windshield then I may have less lift. Now this is all without the study in a wind tunnel, but mine happens to be broken at the moment so I'll just have to start from assumption... :D
Okay, so my original hunch was correct ... the extraction hole is (hopefully) far enough forward to work. Thanks for posting all the pics of the build. I am looking forward to seeing this thing on track next summer.

And +1 on the FHM hood scheme! ;-)

-tammer

jone30

12-04-2007, 12:21 PM

Steve, thanks for the clarification. I didn't see that he said that on the first page.

philsans5

12-04-2007, 02:27 PM

Looking slick man! I'm looking forward to watching you drive in front of me!

onasled

12-04-2007, 03:52 PM

Looking slick man! I'm looking forward to watching you drive in front of me!
Ha-ha, .... you mean when you lappin me of course... :shifty:D

B.Watts

12-04-2007, 03:54 PM

Ha-ha, .... you mean when you lappin me of course... :shifty:D

Or lapping me in your car...
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11398545&postcount=6

:stickoutt

onasled

12-04-2007, 04:17 PM

Or lapping me in your car...
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11398545&postcount=6

:stickoutt
Oh S**T! Now I gotta watch you drive MY car faster then I ever will. :help
Oh well, that could be a good insentive. Hmmmmm, :D

I do know one thing though. After watchin your pop drive in that VIR vid, he aint gettin in my car. :nono

philsans5

12-04-2007, 06:23 PM

LOL. Papa Watts can throw that ride around! I'm pretty confident you'll be leading the way in the rain at least! C'mon, I'll tow it out to Roebling and co drive.:evil2

Partsman109

12-04-2007, 08:36 PM

Hey Greg, the car is looking great! I'll be up there with Randy in a couple weeks.

onasled

12-11-2007, 07:57 PM

couple of pics of the IC ducting and engine compartment.

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/miniICduct1.jpg

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/miniICduct12.jpg

Steve J.

12-11-2007, 08:23 PM

Aww, the engine is so cute :)

not sure if thats your final bumper assembly, but I'd suggest taping up, or filling in the gap between the splitter and the bottom of the bumper. Small in the big picture, but smoothing out 5-10 areas like that can help, especially on a car/application like this. Now if only the front of it was not a big wall ;)

jpropane

12-12-2007, 12:53 AM

Aww, the engine is so cute :)

Hey, watch your mouth! No girlie comments around Greg's car:nono

These little suckers are built solid. If you doubt, you can see what a MINI can do to a BMW. (Ok we cheated: the bumper cover was replaced....)

Hi Greg! - Sorry to be slightly off-topic.

Car looks awesome !!!

onasled

12-12-2007, 01:00 AM

Alain, ... you should post a link to the video of that incident.
Still have not weighed the car. Under 2200 right? You may have to sub wine for the beer. ;)

jpropane

12-12-2007, 01:05 AM

Alain, ... you should post a link to the video of that incident.
Still have not weighed the car. Under 2200 right? You may have to sub wine for the beer. ;)

Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMYrALl_Dss

Stop adding stuff before you weight it! Otherwise you're only going to get a six-pack!

Steve J.

12-12-2007, 01:55 AM

Not to take this off topic, but even in the video you can see smoke from way back down the straight, how come you did not slow down?

cosmom3

12-12-2007, 05:01 AM

That accident seemed rather avoidable given some more precautions yes?

onasled

12-12-2007, 08:30 AM

..... now those responses are somewhat unfair I think. The guy he hit was in the wrong. It's racing. One of the first rules is you don't over react and slow down to almost a stop on a race course just because someone blew a motor. I saw NO yellow flags and if there was that much danger then there certainly would have been time for one to be thrown.
Remember guys, tat was NOT BMWCR.

155///MPH

12-12-2007, 09:54 AM

I counted two yellow flags.

cosM3os

12-12-2007, 10:57 AM

How can you say the guy in front is in the wrong? You can't even see him before the hit. Call me a p--sy, but I'd be at least off the gas after seeing that much smoke up ahead and a yellow flag. Maybe there's more to the story.

:eatpop:

onasled

12-12-2007, 11:56 AM

I counted two yellow flags.
Haaa... I stand corrected. Alain, YOU SUCK! :D Naa, whatever, it's racing. I still feel that the guy slowed WAY too much.

cosmom3

12-12-2007, 12:39 PM

I dont race, but it just seems like the logical thing to get off line in a situation like that. If you cant see where your going than how is it safe to continue forward spiritedly not knowing whats in front of you. Again I don't race, so I may be way off here.

jpropane

12-14-2007, 12:07 AM

There's no right or wrong answers in a situation like that. Just a bunch of could have beens should have beens. No need to defend it Greg. It just happened.

From my vantage: the car with the blown engine moves to the right. There's no way I want to slip in (what I believe at this point to be) his oil. From experience, these clouds tend to move fairly fast. It didn't this time (obvioulsy, now). In my mind: more cars behind than in the front. How much should I slow down ? More risk of being rear-ended than rear-ending somebody. Wrong call ? May be. Let's see.

Actual speed was reduced by what - about 60km/h compared to a normal lap (from memory, I checked it back then, can't remember for sure). I hit the guy at about 100 km/h. Judging by closing speed, I'd say he was doing less than 50 km/h. On the tape editing software, I measured: 4/100th of a second from the time you see the car until the hit. Going 80km/h, how much more time would it have given me to avoid ? Enough ? Doubtful. So I would have hit him at a lower speed. Am I willing to go at 50km/h ? No way, wrong series.

So I went left. The idea: follow the edge of the track. At least you have some markers on the side without oil.

Now am I going to blame the other driver? No, I hit him. Was it avoidable? It always is. So it may appear to be the wrong call, but knowing what I know now, would I have chosen a different path: Nope.

If anybody else wants to pursue this dicussion, feel free to PM or start a new thread. Sorry to crap in your thread Greg.

Back on topic.

Greg if you want your ecu re-programmed, I know of a source close to you that can possibly accomodate. Just PM me.

Alain L.

onasled

12-27-2007, 11:14 AM

Randy posted some pics on another forum, so I thought I'd share them with you guys. :)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture070.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture064.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture046.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture047.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture043.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture038.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture031.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture057.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture056.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture055.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture048.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture044.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture041.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture042.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture066.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture039.jpg

Drifter

12-27-2007, 11:22 AM

WOW!!!

That is just such a clean car!!! Now get it on the track and get it dirty!!!

jone30

12-27-2007, 02:01 PM

Oooooooo. Aahhhhhhh!!!

philsans5

12-27-2007, 02:12 PM

i hate you. :stickoutt

onasled

12-27-2007, 03:08 PM

i hate you. :stickoutt
Oh, ...... so, .. what? You dating my ex wife TOO? :nutz:
:tongue

onasled

12-27-2007, 03:19 PM

I'll just keep reposting the pics here as Randy post them on the other forum.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture037.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture033.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture001.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture029.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture028.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture027.jpg

Sutt

12-27-2007, 03:25 PM

EdP

12-27-2007, 03:48 PM

looks amazing!!! can't wait to see and hear it run.

SlammedE30

12-27-2007, 04:21 PM

This is the coolest Mini EVER! Thanks so much for sharing the pics!
-Ted

onasled

12-27-2007, 04:28 PM

I love watching this build....great look car!

Just curious but how stock was the car when it was streetable...looking back at the picture showing how the car started?

Got any more video since the school parking lot?
No more vids as of now. Been kinda snowed in here. :(
YIKES!!!!..... car was a gem before I started all of this. I bought it used with 9K miles on it. Was a loaded 03 S. Started with the basic mods, pulley, CAI exhaust, then springs, then to PSS9s, .. then sparcos, rolebar, 5 points. On and on. Became a very dedicated HPDE car, but when I drove it on the road, I drove like an idiot. Every kid wanted to race and me, being a mature 50 year old, ..... just had to oblige :cool. So, that was it, .... a normally 2 hour trip across CT in under an hour was the last straw. Had to get the car off the street because I was no roll model to my then 14 year old son. (one of the reasons I've gotten him into racing). I decided the car was going to be a BMWCR'er in D mod.

From this
http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/minitrack.jpg

to this
http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/sledmini_roto130.jpg

to what you see here.

Dino Antonov

12-27-2007, 04:28 PM

This is the coolest Mini EVER! Thanks so much for sharing the pics!

yup

onasled

12-27-2007, 04:39 PM

Again, thanks for the kind words. Wont lie, it's nice to hear.:stickoutt

I am proud so far. Mainly being that this is an honest "grassroots" build. I did everythin myself, .... almost. The people that need to be thanked are my new bestest friends; Ted, Dave and Paul. Ted and Dave got me through the fabbing of the chassis. They left the designing and bending to me, but with an experienced watchful eye. They did the welding once we all agreed we were on the right path.
Beyond that everything else is my fault... ;):D. This was my first time at any body work, electrical (in such a drastic manner) and any type of sheet metal.

Hey, I'm 51 now and doing something that I've wanted to do since I was 13 or so. It's never too late! :D

Also, ... truly, this forum and the members here in the race section have been incredible. Thanks to all of you as well. :drink1

Stealthauto

12-27-2007, 04:59 PM

Congratulations! truely! Good luck in your upcoming debut racing season!

onasled

12-27-2007, 05:13 PM

ahhhhh.... decided I shouldn't drag this in.... nevermind... ;)

onasled

12-27-2007, 10:21 PM

Few more from M7

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture024.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture023.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture022.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture010.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture019.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture018.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture016.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture017.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture212.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/maxmini2002/Picture210.jpg

Steve J.

12-27-2007, 10:37 PM

Very nice, coming along well!

One quick question/concern, whats the overflow cannister/ventfilter for on the front passenger side?

onasled

12-27-2007, 10:42 PM

Haaa.... I was wondering where you were buddy with that exact question in mind.. :D
That's the block vent, and yea, it's inside the car. No room under the hood , but note that the filter will be tubed to a reverse NACA vent out the side window, if I get to it.
Thoughts?;) And please, ask away Steve.
Hey, hope you had a good holiday Steve.

Steve J.

12-27-2007, 10:47 PM

Just trying to look out for your safety :) Its always the small things we overlook, but they can make big differences, especially with a safety concern like this.

Reverse NACA duct as in, you want the air to extract out from inside the car? Or reverse, as in there will be no filter, it'll just be vented out the window? NACA ducts don't work very well backwards. I would suggest just remote mounting the filter somewhere, or just ducting it straight out where there is good airflow. If something goes wrong with the motor, and oil starts burning up there, and somehow the smoke/gas/etc goes through the overflow and out the filter...not good. I think there is actually a rule for it.

Hope you had a good holiday too, thanks.

P.S. This morning I FINALLY pushed my car from storage "tent" into the garage, wahoo!

jdholder

12-27-2007, 10:58 PM

Yeah - you are not going to want that overflow bottle inside the cabin! I had mine inside on the rear parcel shelf of my car and I almost choked to death the first time the motor really got up to temp. Too many fumes!! Mine is now in the trunk and the filter has been replaced with a rubber tube that goes down and enters my exhaust about 2 feet from the tip. So - when I am venting oil vapor it just looks like I am running a little rich. :)

onasled

12-28-2007, 12:07 AM

onasled

12-28-2007, 12:39 AM

......

P.S. This morning I FINALLY pushed my car from storage "tent" into the garage, wahoo!

:redspot
Look forward to seeing updates on this Steve.

Steve J.

12-28-2007, 01:28 AM

I just spent about 45minutes starting to strip down the drivers door and lock assembly. I think I can definitely get the stock doors close to carbon weight. There is a LOT of material that can be cut out, and some elbow grease can save me $1k ($1k towards bosch abs:)). Also should have a couple mroe outsourced machined parts back by next weekend.

B.Watts

12-28-2007, 08:41 AM

I just spent about 45minutes starting to strip down the drivers door and lock assembly. I think I can definitely get the stock doors close to carbon weight.

Better get ready to spend the $$...RRT's doors aren't even close to carbon weight, and they are as stripped as any door I've ever seen.

Steve J.

12-28-2007, 01:20 PM

No money needed, just time. There are a couple tricks to use to get the steel lighter...hint: Belt Sander :)

B.Watts

12-28-2007, 01:52 PM

No money needed, just time. There are a couple tricks to use to get the steel lighter...hint: Belt Sander :)

Might as well just cover the opening with some aluminum foil...they won't have any structure at all.

philsans5

12-28-2007, 02:13 PM

I'm 50% sure I havent seen your wife! You planning on VIR in april?

RRT

12-28-2007, 02:17 PM

:lol

Sutt

12-28-2007, 03:58 PM

No more vids as of now. Been kinda snowed in here.
YIKES!!!!..... car was a gem before I started all of this. I bought it used with 9K miles on it. Was a loaded 03 S. Started with the basic mods, pulley, CAI exhaust, then springs, then to PSS9s, .. then sparcos, rolebar, 5 points. On and on. Became a very dedicated HPDE car, but when I drove it on the road, I drove like an idiot. Every kid wanted to race and me, being a mature 50 year old, ..... just had to oblige . So, that was it, .... a normally 2 hour trip across CT in under an hour was the last straw. Had to get the car off the street because I was no roll model to my then 14 year old son. (one of the reasons I've gotten him into racing). I decided the car was going to be a BMWCR'er in D mod.

Thanks for the info...I am still debating if I want to take my R32 to an extreme HPDE car. It is looking like that is my route but it will take a while. I am closely watching the 1 series though. Keep up the good work. I hope you make it to Road Atlanta, I would love to see the car in person and going around the track.

onasled

12-28-2007, 05:00 PM

:lol
Don't. ...... your just encouraging him. :nono

Steve J.

12-28-2007, 05:06 PM

Might as well just cover the opening with some aluminum foil...they won't have any structure at all.

And the door needs structure why?

ssburns

12-28-2007, 05:45 PM

And the door needs structure why?

To keep the fluttering down so that the officials can read the number boards.:cool

B.Watts

12-28-2007, 07:01 PM

And the door needs structure why?

:rolleyes

Steve J.

12-28-2007, 07:56 PM

The door needs no structure. Once its "locked" closed, the body gives it strength to stay in position. Its in no load, and provides zero safety (in our race cars). Considering I'll have the side impact Impaxx setup, atleast for now, its a good place to save $1k that i can put towards ABS M4 and in the future if I feel its worth it, i'll do the carbon setup. I'll probably completely cut the passenger door apart, and just Pin it on, so it'll literally be the door exterior skin.

onasled

12-28-2007, 08:12 PM

I agree with Steve here. In building my first glass door, it was really flimsy and I in no way could see it being used that way. A buddy told me that he though I was over killing it when I put in the foam reinforcement (see pic a page back). After I finally fit the door by the two hinge points in the front and one pin in the back I then saw that the skin alone would have worked fine. But in the long run I'm happy with the reinforcing and it really adds little weight.
After building this car I now know just how skinned the car can get. I would bet that nothing more then the outer skin of the door, thinned as Steve suggest he will do, should be more then sufficient. I'm bettin the hood could go though the same.

onasled

12-30-2007, 04:55 PM

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/Mini-photo1.jpg

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/Mini-photo3.jpg

Steve J.

12-30-2007, 04:59 PM

Slap some MickeyT's on there, could be a nice drag car :)

I assume you made the carbon stuff too, how is carbon pricing now in low quantities?

I see you used them for the "anti buffer" panels on the leading edge of the side lexan windows. I'm planning to just form the lexan over that edge and around the pillar.

Any more parking lot test sessions lately?

It reminds me mof the Megane trophy cars:

http://www.auto-power-girl.com/photo-gallery/renault-megane-trophy/renault-megane-trophy-2004-5.jpg

Oh and as far as the doors...I stripped the passenger door today of anything that "bolts on" and it easily cut the weight in half...its still a porker though. Need to get the cutoff wheel out and cut these bitches up now.

onasled

12-30-2007, 05:21 PM

Yea, I have some pics of that car Steve, .... sweet. Kinda makes mine look as grassroots as it is..
I got that CF off ebay about a year ago for a decent price, as far as CF goes that is. Enough to do both doors, though I left the pass door glass, and some other goodies. Going tobuild a new switch box this coming week as I broke mine trying to put out a fire... :flaming Need one with more room anyway. ;)

YEA! Skin that door! :D I say just cut it all away but for an inch or so from the skin. Then maybe remove that.

Steve J.

12-30-2007, 05:24 PM

Putting out a fire? Wtf?

I'll probably do the "test skinning" on the passenger door, and see how it goes, then do the drivers door. I'm going to make a very simple locking latch on the drivers door using the stock mechanism (well part of it), so it should be fairly simple. Since I don't need the passenger door to open with a latch, i can just put tow pins on the bottom and Hoodpin the top. So if someone needs to get in quick, it'll be easy. I'm definitely going to have to break out the heat gun though, there is a nice 2-3lb slab of sound mat inside the door.

onasled

12-30-2007, 05:37 PM

Here are the wind deflectors on RJs BMW. Nice.
http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/RJ_BMW2.jpg

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/RJ_BMW1.jpg

Steve J.

12-30-2007, 06:35 PM

Yeppers. I probably won't go all the way around, I'll probably just mold the lexan in, maybe heat it up enough and roll it around a 4" tube or something, that should give it enough bend.

Also, I just went to cutup passenger door...time to order a plasma cutter :)

CP Louie

12-30-2007, 07:14 PM

Also, I just went to cutup passenger door...time to order a plasma cutter :)

Got one. Cut off wheel is much neater and controlled.

onasled

12-30-2007, 07:40 PM

Steve, you should just try your jig saw with a good Bosch metal blade. It'll cut like butter. Way easier then grinding. Also, you got a good 'wiz wheel' (mhtml:{DBCC3129-FAF7-4DE4-84B7-8A62400E9360}mid://00000109/!x-usc:http://www.thebugshop.org/images/site/airgrind.jpg)Air grinder. Works well also with a good thin cutting blade.
Unless of course your looking for a good excuse to get a new toy.. :stickoutt

Steve J.

12-30-2007, 07:52 PM

Tried the jig saw with a metal blade...not going to happen, barely made a dent. Tried air cutoff tool, it'll take forever. The door frame is 1/8" thick steel, beefy! Until the new IR compressor is here and setup, i'm running off a smaller compressor that can't push too much.

Got one. Cut off wheel is much neater and controlled.

Depends on the material thickness. I've done some pretty precise cutting with plasma cutters on the normal sheet metal gage used on race car fabrication (.040-.095).

I'll pickup some beefier jig saw blades and try them tomorrow. I thought the jigsaw would work too, but this is some thick steel that makes up the side of the door.

jekaio

12-30-2007, 08:03 PM

onasled

12-30-2007, 08:17 PM

awesome build.

hopefully the air duct to the IC will be enough. The most common problem we have had is heatsoaking the engine on hot days, lap times would drop at least a second in the 95 degree savannah georgia tempatures at roebling, the place is brutal!!! You could always cut back some of the hood closer to the IC to make a bigger opening.

I crew for Robbie Davis, who runs a Mini in SSB in SCCA. His dad won the southeast division in 2005, but the dang Pontiac solstis (sp?) gets us in the corners now.
Thanks,

Yea, heat soaked ICs are real bad news on the Mini. Not sure you are familiar with the IC I am using, but it should work very well with this setup, even at a stand still. Of coures it's all still theory at this point. :cool.

redefinedM3

12-30-2007, 09:08 PM

I love this thread, that mini is so sick :drool:

328ischef

01-01-2008, 07:25 PM

Amazing build. I am starting a M3 build that will be nearly as thorough, but marginally less funded. Car is STRIPPED and ready for roll-cage, rotisserie is built.

Keep up the great work!

philsans5

01-02-2008, 02:35 PM

Thin skins have some issues, my carbons suck into the car going up the esses at WGI. It's kinda funny, but making stress cracks.

TIATO

01-02-2008, 02:47 PM

Here are the wind deflectors on RJs BMW. Nice.
http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/RJ_BMW2.jpg

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/RJ_BMW1.jpg

Iteresting item, but what is the reason for a wind deflector in this location. I have some ideas but would like some informed feedback.

Steve J.

01-02-2008, 03:10 PM

It helps to reduce wind buffering from the wind going in the car and hitting against the back seat/window area (as well as a less drag). 4-5 holes at the base of the rear window help dramatically as well.

onasled

01-05-2008, 03:48 PM

Finally put the car on scales today just to get total weight. Very happy with results as I'm about 150 lbs under what I was shooting for. I do think that I can get the car down (with some $$) under 2K. :D
Best weight I've heard about on a road race Mini is 2200
Have about 4 gal of fuel in tha car now.

jdholder

01-05-2008, 03:52 PM

Very Nice!!

Steve J.

01-05-2008, 04:15 PM

Nice. Was that with Fuel/Oil?

Whats thew F/R ratio? Crossweight?

onasled

01-05-2008, 04:42 PM

About 4 gal fuel, 10 qts oil. Couple of screw drivers.. ;).
Not corner balancing yet Steve. Just wanted to see weight .
I need to ride hight it, take it in for alignment (might do it myself) and then back on the scales.

Steve J.

01-05-2008, 05:56 PM

Gotcha. Sounds like its a good time for you to make an alignment rig.

pbraun

01-07-2008, 04:54 PM

Looking like the car is getting close to racing, now! That's great, man - looking good, too!
Do you have any dates planned for the spring, yet?

onasled

01-07-2008, 06:18 PM

Peter, looks like SCDA at LRP in early april might be the first. I'm keeping my eyes open at this point.

SlammedE30

01-07-2008, 06:36 PM

Sweeeeeeet. Was that 2054lbs with you in it?

I'm looking forward to some video when this mighty Mini gets on track.

Keep the stuff coming!
-Ted

pbraun

01-08-2008, 06:33 PM

Peter, looks like SCDA at LRP in early april might be the first. I'm keeping my eyes open at this point.

Good! I ran there last year at that event. Cold, damp and too slippery in the morning, but warmed up and dried out.

Trackmasters has a 10% discount for MINIs at Watkins Glen on 3 days - May 2, 3, 4th - you could probably run "Open Track" with your car. A group (including me) of at least 10 of us are paid and committed to those dates.

Orgainization thread on nemini.org..... http://nemini.org/index.php?topic=10090.msg201289;topicseen#new

just a thought, if you want to go a tad later, there will be lots of MINI folks who have working wrenches, et al..... and I welcome you to my garage, too!

I can get you use of proper allignment gauges - if you need, let me know

philsans5

01-08-2008, 08:18 PM

Sick!!! If you wanna go run the club race school at mid ohio in April, I'll tow you with me..

328ischef

01-08-2008, 10:21 PM

Sick!!! If you wanna go run the club race school at mid ohio in April, I'll tow you with me..

For one day can you just stop picking up guys via your towing abilities.

dhabes

01-08-2008, 11:26 PM

If you come to Mid Ohio I may just have to make the trip to see this beauty...and maybe some other cars too.

Rob in VA

01-09-2008, 01:34 AM

This mini is turning out to be one badass car. Very nice.

BilboBaggins

01-11-2008, 03:18 PM

WOW ! ! ! Fantastic job! Well done!

Hope to see you at WGI. Should be a fun weekend.

EdP

01-11-2008, 04:36 PM

FYI, PDA will be at Lime Rock on Sat April 19. Their website says it'll be a 1/2-day format (12-5pm), with 2 run groups. Might be a better format in some ways to the full day, we'll see -- I'm making that one my season opener.

Peter, looks like SCDA at LRP in early april might be the first. I'm keeping my eyes open at this point.

pbraun

01-15-2008, 01:57 PM

Nice, new pics, Gregg, I think you will be generating some downforce.:)

onasled

01-15-2008, 07:56 PM

couple new pics.
Getting the do-dad stuff done. Driver side front partial window, duct, mirror, fire pull, A pillar cover.

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/miniwindow1.jpg

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/miniwindow2.jpg

Steve J.

01-16-2008, 12:42 AM

Are those allowed? I thought the ruling was no windows at all, but recently I have seen several cars with "partial windows."

Has there been any further clarifications?

It looks good though, and it should make a sizable difference in flow around the car...but I am just wondering for my own and others projects, is this now legal?

dejablu311

01-16-2008, 01:00 AM

if thats is illegal then the rules need to be modified. i was under the impression that the reason no windows were allowed had to do with accident extraction. I don't know him but i doubt he will fit through that tiny space. If safety is the reason for the rule then there is no practical reason that it wouldn't be allowed because it in no way affects safety. right?

Steve J.

01-16-2008, 01:09 AM

Definitely a safety issue. Technically I guess its not ruling partial windows, it just says no windows in place (or something to that affect).

Maybe it comes down to a regional thing, if the tech doesn't care, or if he feels its safe. Like the E46 doors are HUGE. Even with half a window, I could fit out :)

osborni

01-16-2008, 01:29 AM

Will there be enough airflow around the windshield to enter the duct? I suppose you will need to see on track..... With the angle of the glass and the sharpish corner at the a-pillar.....

Your attention to detail is very impressive!

jdholder

01-16-2008, 02:00 AM

Are those allowed? I thought the ruling was no windows at all, but recently I have seen several cars with "partial windows."

Does it say in the rule book that you can use a lexan half window in Mod? I can't find it.

Has there been any further clarifications?

No

jdholder

01-16-2008, 02:00 AM

if thats is illegal then the rules need to be modified.

Feel free to suggest a rules change during the Open Rules Change period in the summer.

Stealthauto

01-16-2008, 02:41 AM

I will step out on a limb and say your car looks better than this guys mini project.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1232/minibighead9ih.jpg

onasled

01-16-2008, 08:33 AM

jdholder

01-16-2008, 08:42 AM

Well, the windows can be removed if needed, but here is my thinking.
NO windows is so they can drag your body out'a the car if you can't do so yourself, and also so they, corner workers, can reach in and shut down or pull out any knobs or buttons needed.
So, if you look at my car, note the roll cage. There is a bar there and there is no access at that point anyway. I HAVE NOT decreased the size of that opening in the slightest. All shutoff and fire pulls are accessible outside the car.
Being my seating location I see this as more of a safety install as it will help prevent crap from flying in the car ahead of the window net.
I consider this just a place to mount my NACA duct, and yes, it works great there as I used to run them there back when the car was stock.

There is an aerodynamic advantage to what you have done and while it may be and is probably small, your logic is somewhat dangerous if allowed to be used as precedence. I mean, what if, someone not as smart as you decides to build a cage with more bars that protrude into the window opening, and then uses your logic to place lexan so that the opening becomes smaller and smaller? It's just easier, from a rules compliance and clarity standpoint, to say, no windows, no lexan, and no glass. Those windows that are in place must be in the fully down position. Get my logic?

onasled

01-16-2008, 08:50 AM

Yea, Jon, I understand what you are saying.

..... I say let them and then lite the car on fire....
Why I like Darwin's rule.
:think:

jdholder

01-16-2008, 11:47 AM

Yea, Jon, I understand what you are saying.

..... I say let them and then lite the car on fire....
Why I like Darwin's rule.
:think:

While I tend to agree with you about the solution, I can't OFFICIALLY say that! :)

onasled

01-16-2008, 12:38 PM

jdholder

01-16-2008, 12:46 PM

Maybe a better test. Haaa.... time them on getting out of the car. 5 seconds after the word GO, start the tazer!!! (Oh, won't mention where that tazer is attached. :nutz:

Can you , Jon, 'officially' recommend this as a prerequisite for opening size?

I can and we have ABSOLUTELY talked about a performance requirement for vehicle exit, that would need to be demonstrated on a time basis. And since, we have now implemented Annual Tech procedures to be done at shops (primarily) this will free up our tech guys and stewards to PERHAPS implement something like this. Great idea!

onasled

01-16-2008, 03:00 PM

So Jon, what IS a good time to be able to get out? What's expected?

mijgilbert

01-16-2008, 03:51 PM

Jon - you and Mike Akard can compete for the timed car-on-fire exit speed award!! :)

jayhudson

01-16-2008, 03:56 PM

Jon - you and Mike Akard can compete for the timed car-on-fire exit speed award!! :)

Put a good cigar or some nice single malt outside the window and I'll bet Jon will surprise you ;):devillook

Jay

Steve J.

01-16-2008, 03:58 PM

Formula SAE has requirements egress. Thats inside a formula cockpit with wrist straps and 6pt harness...5 seconds. Time stops when both feet are on the pavement.

I think a reasonable time for BMWCCA would be 5-7 seconds.

JonathanL

01-16-2008, 03:59 PM

Put a good cigar or some nice single malt outside the window and I'll bet Jon will surprise you ;):devillook

:lol

jdholder

01-16-2008, 04:39 PM

Jon - you and Mike Akard can compete for the timed car-on-fire exit speed award!! :)

Akard and I have the ADVANTAGE of size. If the car gets in the way, I will simply rip right through it with my brute force!! :)

As far as an egress time, I would bet 5 to 10 seconds, but I have NO BASIS in saying that number. I am sure the recommendation will come from the Safety Steward in club racing - and - then I will have to practice to get out in under that time.

pbraun

01-16-2008, 06:12 PM

I like the window plastic with the duct, and all that! I actually had something very similar to that on my Mini classic race car. Another nice job of fabricating!

S.Lang

01-16-2008, 06:55 PM

Jon - you and Mike Akard can compete for the timed car-on-fire exit speed award!! :)

Man, it's gonna suck having all those burned-out race cars lying around after they test us all.

JohnVanHouten

01-16-2008, 09:20 PM

As far as an egress time, I would bet 5 to 10 seconds, but I have NO BASIS in saying that number. I am sure the recommendation will come from the Safety Steward in club racing - and - then I will have to practice to get out in under that time.

As another data point, NASA (CCR 16.2.2) requires 10 sec egress with the door functional, 15 sec through the window opening. Given the way all the amateur series borrow from each other's rulebooks, if BMW CR added this requirement, I would guess it would be the same.

jpropane

01-16-2008, 11:42 PM

Greg,

My helmet's visor gets splashed with water when I don't put a window like yours. Not a drop with it.

Alain

MAkard

01-17-2008, 12:22 AM

THROUGH the car Gilbert....Race you that way anytime you like too! Big boys are not necessarily as slow as you little fellows might hope we would be! :stickoutt

I can't imagine how anyone would have an issue with a partial window like that in Mod. There are many, many, many, many things that ARE definitely permitted in Mod that the rulebook never addresses. Then, there's also the multitude of loopholes just waiting for folks to find ways to make their cars faster....especially in Mod... like any panel can be ducted for any reason (with this sort of wording, a racer might have a reason for making the entire non-aero portion of his/her car like swiss cheese to provide ducting to eliminate body function fumes from the driver since the car that weighs so much less goes so fast as to cause serious flatulence issues). Hey, that's a reason and a few thousand holes would certainly duct away significant amounts of funk. So, until somebody wants to make a big stink out of your awesome build, I'd stick with those partial windows and go have tons of fun racing! ;)

clopez95m3

01-17-2008, 12:27 AM

As another data point, NASA (CCR 16.2.2) requires 10 sec egress with the door functional, 15 sec through the window opening. Given the way all the amateur series borrow from each other's rulebooks, if BMW CR added this requirement, I would guess it would be the same.

I believe for World Challenge it is 15 seconds and part of their annual tech, they have to hit the kill/fire switches on the way out also.

-Carlos.

onasled

01-18-2008, 11:03 PM

Haaa.... :D

Look what I did while watchin TV tonight... Man, I need a life:(;)

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/ministeeringwheel.jpg

Not sure what I'll use them all for, but I figure something out. Really just wanted to check it out to see if it was do'able.

jayhudson

01-18-2008, 11:28 PM

pbraun

01-19-2008, 11:31 AM

jone30

01-19-2008, 11:52 AM

Have 4 different horns hooked up to confuse your competition who is trying to pass them? I would laugh.

onasled

01-20-2008, 05:50 PM

What was that line by Steve McQueen in LeMans? Racing is life, everything else is just waiting. ?
:thumbup:

So, (posted this on that diffuser thread also) I started the Rear Diffuser today. Built the mold and will make if from CF and foam core.

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/minidiffuser1.jpg

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/minidiffuser2.jpg http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/minidiffuser3.jpg http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/minidiffuser4.jpg

KKRproducts

01-23-2008, 01:24 PM

B.Watts

01-23-2008, 01:44 PM

Where did you get the coiled wiring loom at? And what kind of plug are you using? Looks awesome.

Here's a good source...

http://www.cablescience.com/

onasled

01-23-2008, 02:57 PM

Here's a good source...

http://www.cablescience.com/
Called them first but they had an negotiable minimum order.
I found these guys http://www.specialtywire.com/index.htm (mhtml:{DBCC3129-FAF7-4DE4-84B7-8A62400E9360}mid://00000083/!x-usc:http://www.specialtywire.com/index.htm) to be much more helpful, and even though they have a minimum, they will just charge you an extra $4 if you don't meet it.
Wire is very good quality. In stock also.

Actually I just came in for a break as I'm working on the plug right now. I'll take pics later. Plugs are hard to find, at least for me. There are these guys http://www.americanconnector.com/dm.htm (mhtml:{DBCC3129-FAF7-4DE4-84B7-8A62400E9360}mid://00000083/!x-usc:http://www.americanconnector.com/dm.htm) , but I bet they are big $$. I was able to reuse a 10 pin plug that I removed from the Mini. Making the bracket now.

onasled

01-23-2008, 03:14 PM

Have 4 different horns hooked up to confuse your competition who is trying to pass them? I would laugh.

..hmmm, Dukes of Hazzard.. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gJOqGzGWGQ&feature=related)
:think:

onasled

01-23-2008, 07:06 PM

Couple of pics..
Man, that flash really shows up how dusty the car is ... :(:cool

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/mini_wheel6.jpg

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/mini_wheel7.jpg

Steve J.

01-23-2008, 07:17 PM

Nice. Does any of that stuff obstruct your view of the dash, its hard to tell from that angle, but it looks like its partially blocked.

I am going to have a similar problem, I will need to find a place/position where I can see it fully.

onasled

01-23-2008, 07:49 PM

No, Steve, you can see 100% of the dash. I could have even made it bigger.
Switches will all go to a box full of relays, and then onto the final destination. Again, it's all kinda experimental, but so far it makes things quite comfortable.

Steve J.

01-23-2008, 07:54 PM

Oh, i meant part of the column/steering, not the switch panel.

What kind of stuff are you planning to run with the switches that will require relays?

Stealthauto

01-24-2008, 03:42 AM

Hey onasled, have you seen this one?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/LoN3R/dope/PICT3083_jpg-1.jpg?t=1201159701

Now thats must be australian for diffusor!!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/LoN3R/dope/PICT3085_jpg-1.jpg

robbo mcs

01-24-2008, 05:04 AM

Hey onasled, have you seen this one?

Now thats must be australian for diffusor!!

Hi,

As an Aussie, ie Australian, I have to laugh at that. You mean "Austrian" not "australian".

There is about 13,000 miles and 12 time zones between Australia and Austria :rolleyes This awesome car is from Austria, which is next door to Germany :) Australias closest neighbours are New Zealand and Antartica :)

To return the favour when you say you are from the United States, I might assume you are from the United Arab Emirates :rolleyes

That Austrian car does look pretty good, so Onasled may have some competition. However, there is allready a mini racing in Europe with an E46 M3 transplant :)

Cheers

Robbo

onasled

01-24-2008, 09:11 AM

Yes, Know that car well. Though I have never seen it in person, I have about 60 pics of it.
That in fact is the M3 Mini built by and raced by the beautiful daughter of Jacky Ickx, Vanina. (my deam woman...:stickoutt)

Not real succesful, but then again, not driven by the best to prove what it could do.

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/vanina3.jpg

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/vanina6.jpg

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/vanina5.jpg

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/vanina4.jpg

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/vanina1.jpg

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/vanina2.jpg

Dino Antonov

01-24-2008, 03:28 PM

Not real succesful, but then again, not driven by the best to prove what it could do.

Yeah, she hasn't exactly been killing it in DTM :(

onasled

01-27-2008, 11:26 PM

Was scheduled to take some pictures of the Mini today for a feature magazine article, .. being the forcast was sunny and in the upper 30s. Well, it was in the 20s, cloudy, windy and best of all snowing. Ugggg. Took some pics anyway even though car is not done.

Here are a couple just to share. Note snow.. :mad

http://rcsail.tripod.com/minisnow1.jpg

http://rcsail.tripod.com/minisnow2.jpg

JClark

01-28-2008, 12:11 AM

Hi,

As an Aussie, ie Australian, I have to laugh at that. You mean "Austrian" not "australian".

There is about 13,000 miles and 12 time zones between Australia and Austria :rolleyes This awesome car is from Austria, which is next door to Germany :) Australias closest neighbours are New Zealand and Antartica :)

To return the favour when you say you are from the United States, I might assume you are from the United Arab Emirates :rolleyes

That Austrian car does look pretty good, so Onasled may have some competition. However, there is allready a mini racing in Europe with an E46 M3 transplant :)

Cheers

Robbo

Whoa, soft spot there with the name thing? :lol

Steve J.

01-28-2008, 01:05 AM

Nice.

Any plans for wing end plates?

onasled

01-28-2008, 07:57 AM

Nice.

Any plans for wing end plates?
Yep, ... one of those things that need to be finished.

TIATO

01-28-2008, 10:36 AM

Brazilian Vanina Ickx Profile on Youtube...If you know Spanish, one will be able to understand 80% of the commentary. Think Portuguese is spoken in Brazil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bJ3vbpxRpk

onasled

01-28-2008, 12:40 PM

clopez95m3

01-28-2008, 02:15 PM

Can someone translate that for me? Is she saying that she's looking for a semi dorky american man that likes to race cars and ride horses!? Haaaaa...... THAT'S ME!

I think she'ed make a very fun girlfriend myself. Oh well..... =(

Hmm Brazilian girl, racer, and cute, you do realize you'd have to sell the Mini and take care of her expensive racing needs right? Yeah still probably worth it. There's a few portuguese speaking dudes around here I'm sure they can translate, I'll have to wait til later to view it. :mad

Carlos.

TIATO

01-28-2008, 03:11 PM

Some of the things she said were:

"If you cant handle 1 HP then you cant handle 300.."

"Potential courters must first attend a drivers meeting with my dad, then go head to head with him on the track"

:D

Stealthauto

01-28-2008, 03:45 PM

Hmm Brazilian girl, racer, and cute, you do realize you'd have to sell the Mini and take care of her expensive racing needs right? Yeah still probably worth it. There's a few portuguese speaking dudes around here I'm sure they can translate, I'll have to wait til later to view it. :mad

Carlos.

I'm Brazilian and fluent in Portuguese...she is not brazilian. She is from Belgium.

She talks about her childhood and her love for the city of Brussels. She points out the courtyard of the high school she went too and she says this is where all my memories are from this school is where I had my first kiss etc... then she talks about her love of horses. How she thinks there are alot of similarities between riding horse and racing cars....then she talk about how proud she is of being the daughter of Jacky Ickxx. She loves her father for the man he is not only for his racing accomplishments blah, blah blah......she learning to fly ultralights now and how she is no longer afraid to do things like she was as a little girl.....she likes to race for audi and dr. Ulrich because they repect her as a driver and the team is like a family.....

more or less the loose translation.....could do a word for word but you would have to pay me......plus she not that hot or fast.....Suzie Stoddard isn't that hot or fast either......they both seam to always be in the back of the pack in DTM........

clopez95m3

01-28-2008, 04:51 PM

I'm Brazilian and fluent in Portuguese...she is not brazilian. She is from Belgium.

Bah countries that start with a 'B'. :-) Kinda like confusing Austria and Australia. ;-)

Carlos.

dm53

01-28-2008, 08:32 PM

Can someone translate that for me? Is she saying that she's looking for a semi dorky american man that likes to race cars and ride horses!? Haaaaa...... THAT'S ME!

I think she'ed make a very fun girlfriend myself. Oh well..... =(
Yes Greg, I can translate....remember that I'm from Rio de Janeiro.
The video is in Portuguese, official language of Brazil.
Vanina is from Belgium, they speak french there.
Paulo S. Diniz

onasled

02-04-2008, 02:36 PM

Selling these.... Here on the Bimmerforum http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12001056#post12001056

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/ebay_wet13.jpg

robbo mcs

02-05-2008, 05:10 AM

Selling these.... Here on the Bimmerforum http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12001056#post12001056

Hi,

If I was in North America I would buy those in an instant :)

Unfortunately, the shipping to Australia would be a little prohibitive :rolleyes

Why are you selling???

Cheers

Robbo

onasled

02-05-2008, 07:38 AM

Hi,

If I was in North America I would buy those in an instant :)

Unfortunately, the shipping to Australia would be a little prohibitive :rolleyes

Why are you selling???

Cheers

Robbo
Selling all my old "street" setup stuff to bring in money for a few more sets of race wheels. Lotsa Mini stuff for sale, factory and aftermarket. :D

pbraun

02-07-2008, 05:16 PM

G - got a bolt-in roll bar for a MINI? Looking for one with little use.

onasled

02-07-2008, 06:56 PM

Jason, (snid) has it in his car now, which by the way is sitting in my shop to be tweek out a bit for the track.

pbraun

02-08-2008, 11:45 AM

rats. Well, if he wants to take it out and lend it to me in early May, let me know! I'm doing a Trackmasters event at Watkins Glen, and just thinking how much I love safety equipment..........and knowing how I can get carried away....... am looking for something like the autopower sport bar to bolt in.......

Incidently, I like those wheels and tires........wonder if they would fit on the JCW brakes?

onasled

02-08-2008, 06:32 PM

........

Incidently, I like those wheels and tires........wonder if they would fit on the JCW brakes?

Yea Peter, they should fit no problem. They fit over my 13" Wilwood BBK. :)

http://ghmyc_1m.tripod.com/wheel.jpg

dm53

02-09-2008, 12:08 PM

G - got a bolt-in roll bar for a MINI? Looking for one with little use.
I have a bolt-in Auto Power cage for sale, in perfect shape.
Repalced it with a custom weld-in for BMWCCA club racing rules.
Make me an offer.
Regards,
Steve

pbraun

02-09-2008, 12:41 PM

I have a bolt-in Auto Power cage for sale, in perfect shape.
Repalced it with a custom weld-in for BMWCCA club racing rules.
Make me an offer.
Regards,
Steve
Steve - I do appreciate that.....however, I think I have found one locally, so....will let you know next week if that falls through. Thank you.

Let me mull over those wheels/tires.....looking good!

DTM Derek

02-09-2008, 11:27 PM

good looking car... looking forward to more videos.

jmitro

02-10-2008, 11:34 AM

Does it say in the rule book that you can use a lexan half window in Mod? I can't find it.

No

Yes, I specifically asked for a clarification on this issue.....see clarification 07-0072. I was instructed that no windows were allowed.

http://www.bmwccaclubracing.com/Racers/Racer_RuleClarificationAnswers.aspx

Steve J.

02-10-2008, 12:31 PM

In the interest of the drivers safety, I would suggest the cars I have seen with window inserts remove them. I agree it would not interfere much, if at all, but the clarification is clear.

onasled

02-10-2008, 12:55 PM

In the interest of the drivers safety, I would suggest the cars I have seen with window inserts remove them. I agree it would not interfere much, if at all, but the clarification is clear.

Steve, I PMed joseph about his as I really didn't want this thread to be a rules discussion. I will say though, now that you also bring it up, that in fact the "clarification" is in fact still quite vague and if anything clarifies that my side "vents" are OK.

onasled

02-10-2008, 12:56 PM

By the way..... Steve, please put some input on my RADIO question thread! I need input asap.

MAkard

02-10-2008, 01:21 PM

Yes, I specifically asked for a clarification on this issue.....see clarification 07-0072. I was instructed that no windows were allowed.

http://www.bmwccaclubracing.com/Racers/Racer_RuleClarificationAnswers.aspx

For the record, the rule book is very clear that clarifications are no longer valid after the end of the season in which they were issued. Therefore, if the rule book was not changed to specifically make vents illegal, I would certainly think they would continue to be legal.

Thankfully, BMW CCA Club Racing also accepts BMW cars from other racing venues into our Mod classes. So, should common sense fail to prevail here and the vents not continue to be legal under our own rules, then I might suggest getting a valid log book some other sanctioning body and classify the car in BMW CCA Club Racing according to the applicable classification relating to its other sanctioning body legal counterpart so long as the car remains fully legal with the sanctioning body whose log book is being used.

MAkard

02-10-2008, 01:25 PM

Steve, I PMed joseph about his as I really didn't want this thread to be a rules discussion. I will say though, now that you also bring it up, that in fact the "clarification" is in fact still quite vague and if anything clarifies that my side "vents" are OK.

Ooops, sorry! I made the other post before I read this one.

Obviously, I agree that they have been legal and should remain legal! :)

mijgilbert

02-10-2008, 01:37 PM

jmitro

02-10-2008, 08:30 PM

At Greg's (onasled) request let's keep his thread about his car and keep the rules discussion to another thread.

Car looks great, keep up the good work. too bad I live so far away but maybe I'll get up to the NE and see the car in person!

MAkard

02-10-2008, 08:33 PM

Mike, since the interpretation of the rule in 2007 was that there was no provision for partial windows, why would you assume that this year's interpretation would be the opposite?

I'm guessing the rules committee figured that the rules were already clear on this - there is an explicit statement on page 19 that is not changed from previous years -

B. WINDOW NET - Both front door windows must be completely down and an approved window net and attachment system fitted to the driver’s window area.

The clarification from 2.5 months ago reads:

07-0072 Windows Nov 30, 2007
Request: Is there any provision for using partial or full lexan windows, specifically on the passenger side in Modified class?

Clarification: No. The window openings of the front driver and passenger doors shall not be covered while on track specifically to provide ease of access for safety workers in the event of an incident.

Why on earth would you think that this would all of a sudden be reversed? Just because the clarification is no longer valid doesn't mean you can take the exact opposite of it... The only thing you could do is to submit another clarification but the rule is pretty clear in the rule book.

-Mike

Michael, Michael, Michael,

The rule has been in place for some time for the rule to revert back to the way it was prior to any clarification if the rule is not changed to reflect the clarification. Nothing new to see here...move along! :stickoutt

While you are quoting the rulebook, take a look at 2008:

D.
Windows:
1. Windows, with the exception of the windshield, may be replaced with alternate materials.
2. Side windows may be removed.
3. Windshields may be replaced with polycarbonate of minimum 1/8” thickness. Front and rear windshield retaining clips or straps are required for non-glass windshields. A minimum of four exterior retaining clips (two top and two bottom) or two exterior retaining straps and two interior windshield supporting bars are required. If an edge of a polycarbonate windshield is not accessible for measurement, a 1/8” diameter inspection hole must be drilled near a bottom corner of polycarbonate windshields to allow confirmation of thickness.
4. Vent holes are permitted in polycarbonate windows.

I did not see the opening covered. I saw a vent window of polycarbonate as permitted by the rules in place on the side of the car with a permitted vent hole in it. There is plenty of egress room. Common sense SHOULD prevail here, but I'm sure we'll probably give-in to pressure and take this one back even though it isn't a performance enhancement while keeping virtually every performance enhancing item anyone has ever used to push the envelope despite the fact that this one is clearly permitted by the rules AND commonplace on hundreds of racecars around the country.

Simple common sense should prevail. If the vent window prevents egress, then take it out. If it is nothing more than a vent window like this one....let it go and concentrate on something that really matters. :)

CP Louie

02-10-2008, 11:37 PM

onasled

02-10-2008, 11:52 PM

Just think we need to leave this to the techs. :)

philsans5

02-11-2008, 01:40 PM

It's a fixed piece of glass from the factory, isn't it? Like the Z3's have? I would think that constitutes more rules clarifing!! Car is looking great Greg! Coming to the Mid O school with it??

mijgilbert

02-11-2008, 03:43 PM

Michael, Michael, Michael,

The rule has been in place for some time for the rule to revert back to the way it was prior to any clarification if the rule is not changed to reflect the clarification. Nothing new to see here...move along! :stickoutt

While you are quoting the rulebook, take a look at 2008:

D.
Windows:
1. Windows, with the exception of the windshield, may be replaced with alternate materials.
2. Side windows may be removed.
3. Windshields may be replaced with polycarbonate of minimum 1/8” thickness. Front and rear windshield retaining clips or straps are required for non-glass windshields. A minimum of four exterior retaining clips (two top and two bottom) or two exterior retaining straps and two interior windshield supporting bars are required. If an edge of a polycarbonate windshield is not accessible for measurement, a 1/8” diameter inspection hole must be drilled near a bottom corner of polycarbonate windshields to allow confirmation of thickness.
4. Vent holes are permitted in polycarbonate windows.

I did not see the opening covered. I saw a vent window of polycarbonate as permitted by the rules in place on the side of the car with a permitted vent hole in it. There is plenty of egress room. Common sense SHOULD prevail here, but I'm sure we'll probably give-in to pressure and take this one back even though it isn't a performance enhancement while keeping virtually every performance enhancing item anyone has ever used to push the envelope despite the fact that this one is clearly permitted by the rules AND commonplace on hundreds of racecars around the country.

Simple common sense should prevail. If the vent window prevents egress, then take it out. If it is nothing more than a vent window like this one....let it go and concentrate on something that really matters. :)

Mike,

OK I agree that you can't take one line of the rules out of context of the rest of the rules. So you should definitely look at this section as well as the safety section that says "Both front door windows must be completely down." However, it seems that you are taking your section of the rules and are not considering them in the context of the safety section or the past clarification on the same rules.

Here are two pictures of a stock Mini. In both of them, the drivers side window is a single piece of glass. It doesn't have an additional "vent window" that could be considered a separate piece of glass. So saying that this is a "a vent window of polycarbonate as permitted by the rules in place on the side of the car with a permitted vent hole in it" is a pretty creative interpretation. Closing more of the side window opening is certainly a performance enhancement to reduce drag. I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble here (and have also seen this partial window on one other car) and it would take a tech inspector failing the car at tech or someone else protesting the car, but it seems pretty clear from the rule that says

"B. WINDOW NET - Both front door windows must be completely down and an approved window net and attachment system fitted to the driver’s window area."

It doesn't say that "part or all of the front drivers and passengers side windows may be replaced with alternate materials and some of that may be left in place and not rolled down, as long as that material doesn't interfere with driver egress." That seems to be your interpretation but if it doesn't say you can do it then you can't.

-Mike

PS - again, sorry to Onasled (and I didn't bring this up first at all) but that's the way I read the rules on this. Only way to find out is to go and submit a new clarification request for 2008.

onasled

02-11-2008, 07:29 PM

It's a fixed piece of glass from the factory, isn't it? Like the Z3's have? I would think that constitutes more rules clarifing!! Car is looking great Greg! Coming to the Mid O school with it??

Not 'vent' as in factory vent window, I ment it as an actual vent that I placed there.
Phil, not going to Mid Ohio as I really need to get this car out for several test days which are local. I'll be at LRP on April 10 and NHIS on that following Monday I think. This is with SCDA.

MAkard

02-11-2008, 09:01 PM

Mike,

OK I agree that you can't take one line of the rules out of context of the rest of the rules. So you should definitely look at this section as well as the safety section that says "Both front door windows must be completely down." However, it seems that you are taking your section of the rules and are not considering them in the context of the safety section or the past clarification on the same rules.

Here are two pictures of a stock Mini. In both of them, the drivers side window is a single piece of glass. It doesn't have an additional "vent window" that could be considered a separate piece of glass. So saying that this is a "a vent window of polycarbonate as permitted by the rules in place on the side of the car with a permitted vent hole in it" is a pretty creative interpretation. Closing more of the side window opening is certainly a performance enhancement to reduce drag. I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble here (and have also seen this partial window on one other car) and it would take a tech inspector failing the car at tech or someone else protesting the car, but it seems pretty clear from the rule that says

"B. WINDOW NET - Both front door windows must be completely down and an approved window net and attachment system fitted to the driver’s window area."

It doesn't say that "part or all of the front drivers and passengers side windows may be replaced with alternate materials and some of that may be left in place and not rolled down, as long as that material doesn't interfere with driver egress." That seems to be your interpretation but if it doesn't say you can do it then you can't.

-Mike

PS - again, sorry to Onasled (and I didn't bring this up first at all) but that's the way I read the rules on this. Only way to find out is to go and submit a new clarification request for 2008.

So, call them VORTEX GENERATORS since they will generate a vortex of cool air for the driver. VORTEX GENERATORS were specifically added as being legal in Prepared and Mod not too long ago so long as they do not rise above the roof line. :stickoutt

Or, one could simply go racing with another sanctioning body....most anyone else....and get a logbook with their organization (be sure to keep it current) so that you will be welcomed with open arms by the BMW CCA Club Racing organization that clearly claims to welcome race cars setup for racing in other venues. Then, it would be just another statistic of someone feeling compelled to go racing some where else... where common sense prevails.... as their primary focus and then go racing (time and budget permitting) with BMW CCA Club Racing (assuming there are no other obstacles as absurd as not permitting a vent window w/naca duct in Mod). :stickoutt

B.Watts

02-11-2008, 09:08 PM

Or, one could simply go racing with another sanctioning body....most anyone else....and get a logbook with their organization (be sure to keep it current) so that you will be welcomed with open arms by the BMW CCA Club Racing organization that clearly claims to welcome race cars setup for racing in other venues.

How exactly would that work? Are you suggesting that if I were to register my car with a SCCA logbook, I could run a bolt-in cage in BMW CCA? The car must still be legal for the class you intend to run it in.

(assuming there are no other obstacles as absurd as not permitting a vent window w/naca duct in Mod). :stickoutt

I just don't see it as absurd. Our rules obviously take the position that the window needs to be open at all times for safety purposes. If vent windows are just allowed, where do you draw the line? You'll have to specify the maximum size (or minimum opening) or racers like myself will cover up as much of the window as possible to remove such a huge drag producing opening. Rather than trying to write up some ridiculous rule that there must be a given number of square inches that would be hard to measure, it's pretty simple to just state that the side windows must be fully open IMO.

CP Louie

02-11-2008, 09:52 PM

Well it is an aero advantage and if it gets signed off, I am adding one.

How 'bout this:

The driver and passenger window may be partially closed in with and alternate material as long as there is an opening that is the diameter of the drivers' waist. That way I could close it up and have a 33 inch (circumference) hole! Score! :buttrock

This has nothing to do with the greatness of the build.

mijgilbert

02-11-2008, 10:14 PM

Mike, I am not going to post on this topic any more except to point out that you have been one of (if not THE) most vocal supporters of rules compliance checks and calling a halt to rules creep. I don't understand how you can look directly at something like this that's not in the rules book and claim it's legal which goes directly against everything else you seem to stand for.

Good luck! And Onasled I absolutely love the car. It's absolutely unbelievable what you've been able to accomplish....

-Mike

osborni

02-11-2008, 10:22 PM

Why not just tape or zip tie some brake duct hose to the rear mirror?

MAkard

02-12-2008, 01:19 AM

Why not just tape or zip tie some brake duct hose to the rear mirror?

Why of course you could....except that the rule book does not specifically say that you can...so YOU CAN'T! :rolleyes Same story, just a different version. We absolutely mustn't let those rules creep on something simple like driver comfort....we've got too many concessions to give with more go-fast goodies instead. Shame common sense can't prevail every great once in a while. ;)

MAkard

02-12-2008, 01:32 AM

Our rules obviously take the position that the window needs to be open at all times for safety purposes.

Our rules also specify a recommended cage design that clearly leaves the entire window opening available for egress, yet it is quite obvious from the countless photos of your dad's car that the cage design varies significantly from that specified in the rule book and might cause significant adverse effect on the ease of egress.... clearly a safety issue that is also clearly outside the specifications documented in the rulebook. In this case, I guess it's a good thing that common sense prevailed and you were permitted to take that "radical" cage design out on the racetrack rather than having to build a new cage that more closely matches the recommended design printed in the rulebook.

If you guys are gonna get super specific on one issue, please don't flame me too bad for calling you out on countless others. :stickoutt

OR, we could just try to let common sense prevail a bit more often. ;)

CP Louie

02-12-2008, 07:54 AM

Why not just tape or zip tie some brake duct hose to the rear mirror?
Why of course you could....except that the rule book does not specifically say that you can...so YOU CAN'T!

Safety

25. Driver Comfort Systems- Driver comfort systems, such as chilled water systems and air ducting with or without fans and/or filters, may be added to any car provided they do not violate any other specific rule.

I think that is a CAN.

onasled

02-12-2008, 08:15 AM

Hmmm, starting to hate my own thread.:(
I'm not sure why the guys here that race modified aren't actually supporting the side naca here rather then doing what they can to ban it. I've done it, many others have too. Why not just support it? I mean this is a 'Modified" class. The fact that there is an argument over such a thing as this is somewhat ridiculous I think.
It's 100% obvious why the no side window rule is in place. The clarification from last year(?) backs this up without any question. I can tell you that this vent in no way what so ever infringes upon the 'reasoning' behind this rule. The fact that some of you seem to be interpreting that these side vents are not legal because of added aero is misinterpretation of this rule and why it's in place. With my side vents removed there is NO added access to the interior of this car.
I understand Mike's frustration here, as I've felt the same way. I think if you all really stopped to think about this with more of the open mind it took, and does take to build a 'modified' class car that maybe you might just start to support the added side vents.
Come on Mod class guys and gals, support these types of driver comfort devises, especially if they have no hindrance on safety. :buttrock

onasled

02-12-2008, 08:18 AM

Safety

25. Driver Comfort Systems- Driver comfort systems, such as chilled water systems and air ducting with or without fans and/or filters, may be added to any car provided they do not violate any other specific rule.

I think that is a CAN.
Then so is mine. Please read above post for reasoning.

jdholder

02-12-2008, 11:16 AM

Then so is mine. Please read above post for reasoning.

Yours is specifically against an existing Safety rule.

It's not that we don't support your side window in Mod. It's that currently it's illegal. There is a right way to do things and a wrong way to do things. The right way is to ask for a rule CLARIFICATION if you think you could be interpreting a rule to allow the side window and a rule CHANGE if you see a rule, but want to break it.

In this instance, the addition of side lexan windows (even partial) in Modified would be a rule CHANGE because it violates a safety rule.

Now, another issue is EXACTLY how to word the rule so another unintended consequence is not created. As you and I have discussed earlier in the thread, if you word it such that it is "ok to place a side window such that no additional egress is blocked in addition to that already blocked by the cage work" - then you could have stupid people building cages such that they can maximize the side windows - STUPID, but we have to write the rules for the lowest common denominator.

It would be much easier if people read the rule book, considered all the rules as a whole (as they are meant to be considered) and then proposed specific wording that allowed what they wanted but was limiting enough that no uninteded consequences occurred.

Also - there is a time for this type of rule CHANGE endeavor. And that is during the rule CHANGE time period from June 1 to October 1. If people wanted to change the rules all the time they our volunteer Rules Committee, and volunteer Racers Adviosry Committee and our volunteer Administration would be working all year long on this type of thing.

So, you see, we support racers. We support them within a framework of a rule book, and we support them about rules changes within a time period that allows all of us volunteer to work a full time job, race ourselves, spend time with our families AND consider the over 150 rules changes that are usually submitted during the rules change time period.

Last year (2007) I spent over 100 hours during the Rule Change period on 5 different conference calls, and working via e-mail with the other members of the Racers Advisory Council and the Rules Committee to handle the Rules changes. There are 6 members of the RAC and 3 other members of the Rule Committee. Each of their commitment was similar with the RAC members problable spending 25 to 50 hours each, and the RC members spending 100 hours each. So 100x4+50x5=650 hours was spent on the racers behald. Why????? Because we are committed to serving our organization, we are committed to supporting our racers, and we are committed to doing it with our only income being the psychic rewards we get from volunteering.

So - in short (too late) - please suggest a rules CHANGE during the rules change period - or if you can't wait - suggest a CLARIFICATION and we will see if it can be clarified such that it will be satisfactory to the group of racers. Look at the rule book and notice that we already provide for drivers vents in a number of ways including venting from the rear windows (as I see you have).

If you need more vents, then please submit a carefully worded, specific, limited and considered clarification request about your subject and we will see what the response is.

txse46m3

02-12-2008, 11:32 AM

I can scarely believe you guys are busting this guys balls about a quarter window. It wouldn't impede egress and IT IS MOD CLASS.

Get a grip ladies.

jmitro

02-12-2008, 11:44 AM

agreed. take it to another thread.

onasled PM'd me about my post specifically so his thread didn't turn into a rules discussion, but you guys persist. :confused

jdholder

02-12-2008, 12:02 PM

I can scarely believe you guys are busting this guys balls about a quarter window. It wouldn't impede egress and IT IS MOD CLASS.

Get a grip ladies.

I am not busting balls at all - but being defensive about a discussion serves no purpose.

I love the build - and would love to have a lexan half window.

Not that you needed my permission but you may return to the topic of this excellent build!!!

I am looking forward to reports of how testing goes. I am particularly interested in how well the chassis puts down power, and how it doea with eating tires. Not an offensive topic at all, just I don't have any experience with front wheel drive cars in general and front wheel drive racecars in specific. I am looking forward to the insight! Good luck!