View Full Version : '08 335i tomorrow! A question or two for the initiated.


FLS2K
11-07-2007, 09:50 PM
I'm picking up my new 335i coupe tomorrow and cannot wait! Can anyone confirm if the '08s have the new fuel pump? I would imagine that is the case.

Anything else I should know/look for when I take delivery? This is my first Bimmer. I'll post some pics this weekend.

Beer Goggles
11-07-2007, 10:23 PM
Best idea is to just enjoy the car, it's great. All cars break.

Rolyf
11-07-2007, 10:50 PM
Best idea is to just enjoy the car, it's great. All cars break.
No BG, they don't. You sound like the Cadillac people when the Mercedes was introduced and like the Mercedes people when the Lexus was introduced. It will be the beginning of the end when your attitude is accepted at BMW.
Did I buy a 335 in spite of the fuel pump and other rumors I was hearing? Damn right because I figured the problems would not be widespread or unsolveable. I think I was right. But let me tell you this, if BMW as a corporation thinks that we all think the way you do, then they will have their asses kicked by someone else who does it better and does it right the first time. Yeah, in time they all break. But it better not be real bad and real soon like has been reported on this forum. When you let your customer do your field testing you are risking insurmountable damage to your reputation.

Beer Goggles
11-08-2007, 12:00 AM
Whatever man, any survey or report you read they indicate that all cars have issues and go in for repair. EVERY SINGLE one will have a fault per 100, meaning that even the best in class have a certain percentage that go in for repairs. And I can tell you that 100% of cars have had some recall, whether you know it or not. Examples. The head of Mitsubishi killed himself over falsifying reports, Honda and Toyota got in trouble for hiding similar recall issues.

The difference is now a days people go on line and get all freaked out, when in reality their car might not be affected. The reality of the world is NOTHING is perfect, and the more you pay for a car the more you expect it shouldn't break but they do. Like it or not. You can go through the rest of your car ownership experience mad that things shouldn't break, but they will. And its' how they respond to that issue and take care of their customer that makes or breaks a company.

I sold an A4 in 11 months and lost about 5-7K on it because I was treated poorly for $100 worth of parts. I know the frustration of not being treated properly.

But Lexus have problems, Acura, Ford, Ferrari and other $200,000 to Million dollar cars.

So deal with the fact that has a model as a whole at least 30% of the cars will be in the shop...and maybe you'll be the 50% that won't. But THEY ALL have problems, and even the ones you bought in the past when the internet didn't exist had problems WHEN you bought them...you just didn't know.

mryakan
11-08-2007, 12:25 AM
I'm picking up my new 335i coupe tomorrow and cannot wait! Can anyone confirm if the '08s have the new fuel pump? I would imagine that is the case.

Anything else I should know/look for when I take delivery? This is my first Bimmer. I'll post some pics this weekend.
If you haven't signed the financing/lease papers (esp. lease) make sure they didn't change anything on you last minute. They tried to pull that on me on my last 2 cars, so go prepared in case they do. Also if floor mats and wheel locks were not included in the initial deal, see if you can convince them into throwing those in at delivery. Also make sure it is well detailed and if you notice any swirl marks or anything unsatisfactory, bring it to their attention and let them know you expect them to fix that at your next visit. My was perfect, but some had bad luck with their dealer.
And as others said, just enjoy it and don't worry about what might break. If something is meant to break it will and thinking about it beforehand will not prevent it, however it will take from your enjoyment of the car. Hopefully nothing will go wrong. Enjoy.

iLikeImportstoo
11-09-2007, 02:44 PM
and if it breaks, warranty their as$!

Jhunter
11-09-2007, 03:40 PM
Beer Googles is right. All cars can break. With a new engine there are always bugs to work out. People see posts of overheating and fuel pump problems and think it happens to every car. I am sure the vast majority of 335 owners on this board have experienced no significant issues. My 335 is ten months old, the only time it has seen the service department is when I pulled in to buy some touch-up paint. If it does break, you have a warranty.

forrestpilot
11-09-2007, 07:14 PM
Not had any problems since May 2007 delivery, now close to 6K miles. Kept the car simple, SP, leather interior, AT w/paddles. Knock on wood, even no problems with the RFTs. I do not run the hell out of the car, but I do get up to 100 to 110 in spurts to get around damn dump trucks dropping crap everywhere. I went 20 miles one day and had to pass 40 of these assholes.

CTT
11-09-2007, 07:45 PM
Just picked up tonight. I asked the sales guy how long a break in for the turbos, and he said what break-in, just drive it.

For real? It's got turbos, you don't redline out the parking lot, right??

ziggypup
11-10-2007, 12:09 PM
This is my first Bimmer. I'll post some pics this weekend.

You need to have 100 posts before the system allows you to post pictures. But if you don't want to wait until you have 100, let me know and I'll post them for you. You will just have to forward them to me via email. Let me know if you are interested, I'll send you my email address.

Jhunter
11-10-2007, 12:29 PM
Just picked up tonight. I asked the sales guy how long a break in for the turbos, and he said what break-in, just drive it.

For real? It's got turbos, you don't redline out the parking lot, right??

Look in your manual, there are break-in recommendations.

Jhunter
11-10-2007, 12:30 PM
Not had any problems since May 2007 delivery, now close to 6K miles. Kept the car simple, SP, leather interior, AT w/paddles. Knock on wood, even no problems with the RFTs. I do not run the hell out of the car, but I do get up to 100 to 110 in spurts to get around damn dump trucks dropping crap everywhere. I went 20 miles one day and had to pass 40 of these assholes.

You live in a quarry?:confused

carguy7
11-10-2007, 01:27 PM
No BG, they don't. You sound like the Cadillac people when the Mercedes was introduced and like the Mercedes people when the Lexus was introduced. It will be the beginning of the end when your attitude is accepted at BMW.
Did I buy a 335 in spite of the fuel pump and other rumors I was hearing? Damn right because I figured the problems would not be widespread or unsolveable. I think I was right. But let me tell you this, if BMW as a corporation thinks that we all think the way you do, then they will have their asses kicked by someone else who does it better and does it right the first time. Yeah, in time they all break. But it better not be real bad and real soon like has been reported on this forum. When you let your customer do your field testing you are risking insurmountable damage to your reputation.

+1

carguy7
11-10-2007, 01:29 PM
Beer Googles is right. All cars can break. With a new engine there are always bugs to work out. People see posts of overheating and fuel pump problems and think it happens to every car. I am sure the vast majority of 335 owners on this board have experienced no significant issues. My 335 is ten months old, the only time it has seen the service department is when I pulled in to buy some touch-up paint. If it does break, you have a warranty.

Yeah but some break a lot more than others. I believe BMW is about average reliability which is what I expect.

forrestpilot
11-10-2007, 05:02 PM
You live in a quarry?:confused

Beginning to think I do. So much construction around here, never would think there was a credit crunch or fuel prices were so high. I see dump truck drivers racing each other. It is crazy!

mryakan
11-11-2007, 03:43 AM
Beginning to think I do. So much construction around here, never would think there was a credit crunch or fuel prices were so high. I see dump truck drivers racing each other. It is crazy!
They are expanding the highway that I have to take to work and on some days when the trucks dropping that sh#$ are too much to take, I just hop off the highway and take a parallel local road to avoid getting high blood pressure.

MrOffshore
11-11-2007, 07:20 PM
I can tell you that from experience (I owned a Goodyear tire and auto repair facility for 10 years) every car on the planet is capable of developing problems or breaking down.

The difference is two fold, how often or severe the problems are and how you're treated when they do happen.

My best cars have been Japanese...my 97' Maxima with 52,000 miles at trade-in only experienced a $54 windshield washer pump.

My 01' Nissan Quest with 100,000+ miles only had a faulty front windshield gasket (+ standard maintenance, tires, breaks, etc.)

My 02' Honda CRV with 55,000 miles - Zero problems - aside from my son throwing rocks into the right front quarter panel and front passenger side door...ouch that cost me over $1000 less in trade-in

My 04' Honda Pilot w/ 50,000 miles - Zero problems unless you count a small rattle/noise from the dash mounted speaker cover on the right front that occurs from time to time.

Now in retrospect let's examine a few others I've had:

80' Chevrolet Camaro Z-28 - pulled original 350, put in built motor, fast (torquey), fun, fairly reliable except interior rattles everywhere and doors dropped about 2" when you opened them...they were too heavy for their hinges.

81' Chevrolet El Camino 60,000 miles - stripped car and put in built motor, loved it, fast, fun and spartan

81' BMW 320i Returned second day of ownership, I bought it used with less than 10K on the engine from a new BMW dealer in Columbus, OH, the car had major engine issues, scared me away from buying it. Car fell on its face under hard accelleration

82' Mazda RX-7 114,000+ of the hardest miles I have ever driven - nothing that wasn't related to an accident or my hard driving. 5 clutches, 8 sets of tires, new front recirculating ball steering, exhaust, starter, alternator. Loved the car, drove it hard.

86' Ford Centurion 50,000 miles - Nice truck, good power, poor fuel economy (460 cubic inch gas engine), problems only in the conversion part of body.

87' Saab 9000 Turbo 100,000+ miles - drove it hard, hated it with nothing but problems, electrical nightmare, turbo died, exhaust, transmission, clutch, ECM, etc...you name it, it broke.

92' Ford Explorer 60,000 miles - numerous small issues, largest problem the front auto locking hubs for the 4WD system, all under warranty, good SUV for the most part.

97' Grand Cherokee Limited - Biggest piece of junk I have ever owned...too many issues to tell you about, wouldn't wish this car on my worst enemy. Should have cut my losses first week of owning it and burned it myself in the parking lot of a mall.

97' Ford Explorer 60,000 + miles - no major problems, all minor and under warranty

01' Ford Explorer 50,000+ miles - no major problems, all minor under warranty

03' Chevrolet Suburban 70,000+ miles - one problem after another, hate this truck, it can't tow, no power, rides rough, clunks all over, auto level doesn't work, DVD systeme doesn't work, belt tensioners don't work, interior plastic components breaking. Hey, wanna buy this from me??

Interesting looking back on this history of eclectic cars I've had...some with good memories, some with terrible...but nothing stands out at me like the Jeep...I hated that thing and wished it was stolen from me everytime I parked it...I vowed never to own a Chrysler again after that and haven't.

I bought the 335xi because it is truly a beautiful car that drives like nothing else I've been in...and I am hopeful it isn't going to deliver any problems...I know it will be a great car...but regardless of what we want to think they can all be problems at some point.

Toyota has dropped with reliability this year, Ford has gone up (98% average or above average report) Chevrolet less than 50%, Chrylser surprisingly above them at 65-67%, can't recall exact number) Honda is number one with Subaru at number 2, Toyota at number 3. These numbers according to Consumer Reports, who some will say are partial to Honda.

Sorry for the lengthy, possibly boring post.

SocratesBMW
11-11-2007, 08:33 PM
Does the '08 have a new fule pump? yes, but does that mean it won't break? No. If you're going to ask that you should ask if they have a TPMS, oil cooler, aluminum trim pieces, shift knobs, headlight housings, sunroofs, OMS, woofers, tweeters, door locks etc...all of which people have experienced issues with at one point or another. Think of any part on your car and it can break, no matter what year it was made.

TTBMW
11-11-2007, 09:46 PM
In the manual is states not to use the kick-down or go past a certain speed. I tried not to rev past 4 rpm's but couldn't help it in spurts. Do this for about 1200 miles. One thing many people say is to cycle through your revs, don't keep your revs constant. I asked the guy at my dealership if there was a break-in period and he said no, and I said "so if I redline as soon as I hop in my car right now and do it in every gear it wouldn't matter?" after that, his face seemed a little concerning and told me to drive it "normally" meaning mom and pop status for awhile.

joeygott
11-12-2007, 01:29 AM
I understand what BG and some of the others are trying to say, and you have a point, but ROLYF is DEAD ON here. I'm not going to comment on the fuel pump issue because that could be an intermittent thing and it's possible that BMW wasn't aware of it when the car went into production. BUT.....the overheating issue is a completely different story. We all know (as 335 owners) that there is NO WAY (IMPOSSIBLE) that BMW wasn't aware of this issue. Rather than postposing the cars production and retooling, which would have cost them tens of millions, they made the decision to let the car go to production. They didn't even put oil coolers on the early cars, which is CRAZY, because if they had, there would have NEVER been near the NEGATIVE press and negative attention to the car.
It's crazy for anyone to imply that this sort of problem is acceptable in a first year car. I just so happen to have owned several other first year cars (much less expensive than BMW) and YES, 1st year cars have problems, but not MAJOR MECHANICAL PROBLEMS.

This is no different than the display on the stereo not working with polarized glasses. NO WAY BMW didn't know about it, although I can see them making the decision to leave it. But making that same decision with the motor issues, that is just crazy.
I LOVE MY 335, by far the best car I've ever owned, but it would be IGNORANT for me to think of this any other way.
I know many of you are BLINDED by your loyalty to BMW. I"m not. It's my first BMW, so I'm being more subjective here than most. Anyone trying to say there is no problem just because they haven't experienced it yet with their car, is being pretty ignorant. The problem is there, and it affects EVERY 335 out there (oil temp, not fuel pump necessarily). The question is WHEN is the problem going to rear it's ugly head.
Will it just be a matter of shortened life span of the motor (motor needs rebuild before 100k), which in my opinion would be the best case scenario, or are we talking major motor problems before 75k? Who knows.
I think it depends what part of the country you live in, and more importantly, your driving habits. Let's be honest here, we don't all own 335's because we drive like grandma.
All I know is that I LOVE MY 335 but there is NO WAY I will own that car without a warranty. So, I'll either sell it before warranty expires or buy an extended warr when the time comes. BMW is RAKING in the money the last few years. ONe of the most profitable car companies on the planet, so why they chose to do this is beside me.
In the end, this will cost us all money, so I wouldn't be so inclined to give BMW the free pass on this.

mryakan
11-12-2007, 01:48 AM
I understand what BG and some of the others are trying to say, and you have a point, but ROLYF is DEAD ON here. I'm not going to comment on the fuel pump issue because that could be an intermittent thing and it's possible that BMW wasn't aware of it when the car went into production. BUT.....the overheating issue is a completely different story. We all know (as 335 owners) that there is NO WAY (IMPOSSIBLE) that BMW wasn't aware of this issue. Rather than postposing the cars production and retooling, which would have cost them tens of millions, they made the decision to let the car go to production. They didn't even put intercoolers on the early cars, which is CRAZY, because if they had, there would have NEVER been near the NEGATIVE press and negative attention to the car.

Excuse my possible ignorance in this area, but isn't an intercooler different than the oil cooler which was the one missing on some models initially?

forrestpilot
11-12-2007, 06:43 PM
Am I sensing a little attitude here? I hear total disasters with RFTs, fuel pumps, etc. I have not had one problem with the car in 6 months. Have to admit, I am not concerned at all. I have been flying since 1980. Owned numerous aircraft from single engine to multiengine. For a few years owned a T28C Navy trainer, burned 100 gallons of fuel per hour. The planes were constantly in maintenance, spent up to $30 or 40k per year. The point is, failure in the air is critical, on the ground it is not.

Beer Goggles
11-12-2007, 06:46 PM
I wouldn't own any new car without a warranty, too much computer/electronics...which is why I lease.

But as I've stated, all cars break...we're just more aware of problems.

joeygott
11-12-2007, 07:05 PM
It's not about whether the failure is critical or not. It's also not about airplanes, which do require tons of maintenance. We are talking cars, short and sweet.
What this IS about is whether a company like BMW (not short on funds or engineering ability) should have these types of problems on a new car. The answer is no, and that is a fact. This doesn't happen on Hondas, Toyota, Lexus, for example.
And as far as cars breaking on the ground not being critical, well, I'm not going to directly address that because the comment was ridiculous and I don't want to get ugly. It comes down to customer expectations. Is it OK and expected that cars have these types of problems? Is it common within the industry and similar to problems affecting the cars primary competitors in the market?
MERCEDES has more problems , but most of MB problems are minor, usually electrical in nature and the problems are pretty minor and nagging. JAP cars have been very reliable. I've had 5 in a row before buying this BMW and 2 were first year models and I had NO, and I mean NO MAJOR problems with them and no minor problems in the first 75,000 miles.

forrestpilot
11-12-2007, 07:13 PM
LIKE I SAID, I HAVE HAD NO PROBLEMS! When I do, it will let everyone know.

joeygott
11-12-2007, 07:23 PM
Me neither. I have 9100 miles and NO PROBLEMS.

ssigur
11-12-2007, 07:39 PM
,Not had any problems since May 2007 delivery, now close to 6K miles. Kept the car simple, SP, leather interior, AT w/paddles. Knock on wood, even no problems with the RFTs. I do not run the hell out of the car, but I do get up to 100 to 110 in spurts to get around damn dump trucks dropping crap everywhere. I went 20 miles one day and had to pass 40 of these assholes.

Mine was Nov 2006 and approx. 5000 miles. So far I have had no problem's at all with my 335i Coupe. I don't have any mods, but for my purposes it is plenty fast. I had a lots of problems with 2002 3 series coupe. Just enjoy, most dealer are very good at taking care of legit problems.