350z comes up on my ass fast and we come up to a light but he's behind me.Light changes,i go, he goes, i slow to let him up closer.He didnt try to line up or anything, he just punched it then i punched it.He had the beginning momentum but there was just too much M for him, I stayed about a car in front and was pulling slowly.

Good way to put him in his place! Keep on racing:clap: With so many ignorant comments that a select few of the Z members make, I almost want to go on an M vs Z, search and destroy mission.

Havent heard of ANY 350Z's beating any ///M's yet. I dont think its gonna happen any time soon eother. ;)

:D

Originally posted by slickav
Havent heard of ANY 350Z's beating any ///M's yet. I dont think its gonna happen any time soon eother. ;)

Uh, u r on a BMW forum, no one is gonna post it if they lost....

350 search & destroy mission with an e46??? That's like me goin on a Civic search & destroy mission with my 350zzzz :) a little different class of cars (performance wise), don't ya think?? now a stock e36 is an even match......:evil2

Marcin

By the way, Good Kill :buttrock

Some of us honorable types post our losses and our wins.... :cool:

I posted my loss. Granted I have only raced twice, once I lost and once it was a tie.

As for the 350Z owners at 350zmotoring.com, some of them are COMPLETE DUMBASSES

lol too much M for him


m3inline6 you are at Z forums more than u are here :(

You beat a 350Z with just an intake on your car? The guy probably couldn't drive. A good driver with a good launch can run 13.8s with a 350Z.

A couple weeks ago I witnessed a guy run a 13.6@103 with just an intake on his 350Z. So most likely the guy you raced couldn't drive or wasn't pushing his car to the limits because he just bought it. The 350Z with a couple bolt ons is right there with the E46 M3. I've seen a couple these things run and have driven two.

287HP/274TQ and 3150 curb weight is sure to show those numbers.

Originally posted by boss
You beat a 350Z with just an intake on your car? The guy probably couldn't drive. A good driver with a good launch can run 13.8s with a 350Z.

A couple weeks ago I witnessed a guy run a 13.6@103 with just an intake on his 350Z. So most likely the guy you raced couldn't drive or wasn't pushing his car to the limits because he just bought it. The 350Z with a couple bolt ons is right there with the E46 M3. I've seen a couple these things run and have driven two.

287HP/274TQ and 3150 curb weight is sure to show those numbers.

Uhhh... The 350Z weighs in at a little over 3300 pounds.

Originally posted by NLR
Uhhh... The 350Z weighs in at a little over 3300 pounds.

3300 lbs is WITH driver..

Originally posted by NLR
Uhhh... The 350Z weighs in at a little over 3300 pounds.

Originally posted by MaceOnFace
3300 lbs is WITH driver..

NO! Over 3300 pounds WITHOUT driver! Do you people actually think that fat pig of a car weighs less than an e36 M3?

So, who really got OWNED here? Certainly wasn't me.:wave:

Originally posted by boss
287HP/274TQ and 3150 curb weight is sure to show those numbers.

Last time I was checking out actual dyno's, they had been hitting 220-230 rwhp.

Their crank rating is optimistic. My car, when it was stock, put down 215.5 rwhp, but was rated at 240.

47 hp difference? I think not. Real world performance of the Z bears this out.

Originally posted by boss
The 350Z with a couple bolt ons is right there with the E46 M3.

287HP/274TQ and 3150 curb weight is sure to show those numbers.

Oh boy, here we go again...:rolleyes:

Where's Sticky to dispel these silly statements?:D

Sorry bro, as a Nissan enthusiast, I have to disagree with you. Maybe if the Z has headers, it might be a closer race (assuming equal drivers). But an M46 M3 with an intake will soundly beat a manual Z that has intake/exhaust in straight line performance. I do suspect that you're gonna start seeing a lot of forced induction Zs around, and as that happens, things will get much more interesting.

Unfortunately for the Z, it's got a big red "bullseye" on it, and everyone from Dodge Neon's all the way up are going to wanna race it (I would imagine the story for BMW owners is similar).

In any case, the lightest Z I could find on Edmund's (www.edmunds.com) weighs in at 3188lbs.

I would expect that an E36 M3 and a Z would be a very close race however. I'd be surprised to see either side "walk" the other.

Originally posted by boss
You beat a 350Z with just an intake on your car? The guy probably couldn't drive. A good driver with a good launch can run 13.8s with a 350Z.

A couple weeks ago I witnessed a guy run a 13.6@103 with just an intake on his 350Z. So most likely the guy you raced couldn't drive or wasn't pushing his car to the limits because he just bought it. The 350Z with a couple bolt ons is right there with the E46 M3. I've seen a couple these things run and have driven two.

287HP/274TQ and 3150 curb weight is sure to show those numbers.

Has anyone seen any FI 350z's yet?

Originally posted by frayed
Last time I was checking out actual dyno's, they had been hitting 220-230 rwhp.


Uuuuh, no

Norm 6 speed dyno range is mid 230s to lower 240s at the wheels. Where are you pulling those numbers?:confused:

The lowest I have seen was around 225 for a ghey AUTOMATIC

Originally posted by NLR
Uhhh... The 350Z weighs in at a little over 3300 pounds.


Nope, sorry. The manual itself states "3150(est) curb weight". Now give or take 50 lbs or so, the car weighs in around the E36 M3.

Given equally good drivers, a 6-spd 350Z and 5-spd E36 M3, the 350Z will beat one no problem. It's simple numbers. The car weighs the same, but has a hell of a lot more power, period. You can't argue the point to anything.

Whoever posts about beating a 350Z in an E36 M3 with just an intake or exhaust is pure BS or the guy in the 350Z couldn't drive or wasn't pushing his car to the limits because he just bought it. The car traps 101-103 stock. There are no stock E36s that I know of that trap those speeds, sorry.

I'm a BMW owner and love my M3 and M5 with a passion. But you simply can't sit there and argue you can beat a car that weighs the same with more power.

Originally posted by mpol99
Uuuuh, no

Norm 6 speed dyno range is mid 230s to lower 240s at the wheels. Where are you pulling those numbers?:confused:

The lowest I have seen was around 225 for a ghey AUTOMATIC

Last time I looked at the Z's performance on paper (before encountering them on track to really see what they are made of) was last fall.

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8543&highlight=dyno

Back then, the only car putting out decent power was from a mag review, at 244 rwhp on race gas. Most were were underperforming, notably so. Posts back then were like this one:

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12036&highlight=dyno

and

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6238

and

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5999&highlight=dyno

we will have to register for see the posts?

Originally posted by frayed
Last time I looked at the Z's performance on paper (before encountering them on track to really see what they are made of) was last fall.

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8543&highlight=dyno

Back then, the only car putting out decent power was from a mag review, at 244 rwhp on race gas. Most were were underperforming, notably so. Posts back then were like this one:

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12036&highlight=dyno

and

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6238

and

http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5999&highlight=dyno

dunno. I guess the site is cookied on my machine.

Basically, last fall, the initial dynos were in the 220-230 range, with one aberration: Sport Compact Car logging in 244 rwhp on race gas.

Now that more have dyno'd, I guess folks are into the solid 230's now, and some 240's. Perhaps the motors just needed more mileage.

edmunds.com has over 3,200lbs for the performance and touring .

i've seen 350z's run 14.1 @ 100 at a track last weekend
e36 m3's run 13.9 @ 100 at a track last weekend as well

103? i doubt it.

these cars are similar, one wouldn't edge the other out if it was just the car, it just comes down to the driver.

nissan's 285hp is over-rated.

So, what makes the Track model so much heavier than the other versions? R&T has the Track advertised at 3310 pounds.:dunno

German horses are stronger than japanese ones.. my benz has 185hp s/c I4, i only have an exhaust, and i can beat 200 hp Accord, Preludes, V6 Stangs, etc.. i have raced many cars with more horsepower than mine and have won.. in my S54 M roadster i have beat out many cars with more power than mine also.. my car is rated at 315 hp, but i have pulled on cars that are rated with more hp than mine.. i have driven all sorts of cars.. i think that German hp is stronger than Japanese hp..

Originally posted by DINANISR3
German horses are stronger than japanese ones.. my benz has 185hp s/c I4, i only have an exhaust, and i can beat 200 hp Accord, Preludes, V6 Stangs, etc.. i have raced many cars with more horsepower than mine and have won.. in my S54 M roadster i have beat out many cars with more power than mine also.. my car is rated at 315 hp, but i have pulled on cars that are rated with more hp than mine.. i have driven all sorts of cars.. i think that German hp is stronger than Japanese hp..

I think the reason why alot of BMW's beat out other cars with a considerable power advantage is due to their gear ratios. How many cars out there do you see with 4.21 and up first gear ratio? Or 5-speeds with a 1:1 ratio. My guess is that only BMW does this, but hey, whatever works.

You would think that the "Track Model" would be the lightest of the bunch being it's supposively a "Track Model.":dunno

I had a nice little run in with a 350Z a couple weeks ago. I downshifted to 4th and left him pretty easy.:wave: funny thing was he kept coming back for more and I gladly gave it to him.:)

Corey, please tell me that those hp and torque numbers are not at the wheel #s. Please tell me indeed....

OK first, Aqui., I'll save Corey the response and tell you yeah those are at the tires. Ive seen a couple 03 Cobras on the dyno and thats par for the course (maybe 10 hp stronger but mods are so easy with those cars, you can spit on the friggin intake and gain 20 hp.) I saw one with >$600 in mods throw down 456 rwhp 445 rwtq three weekends ago at our dyno day. The mods were off road X pipe and a pulley. Kinda makes you sick dont it. :dunno

Now on the 350Z....my good friend Hovis's father has one...black w/ burnt orange sorta colored interior. Hes got an Injen intake and B&B Tri-flow exhaust....232 rwhp 230 rwtq. I see what everyone is saying about the E36 M vs. the 350Z being close, but like someone mentioned gearing playes a huge part in the acceleration of any car. Thus the reason Charlies E36 M3 (bone ass stock in the performance area) can wing it with my LS1 up to about 70 mph. Ive ridden in both and id have to say that given equal drivers, i give the M the nod. It just feels faster. Ive raced a few 350s and again id say it seems the Ms are a bit bigger in the rear view when the fat lady sings. And for those speaking of 350Z's being in the class with an E46 (now your gettin in my terriotory here) i only have a few words : Nitrous or Forced Induction. Thats all i have to say about that. Peace.

PS. In the 350's defense I did see a track model at the autocross about a month back and i must say it damn sure can scoot around some some corners.

:) Yes those #'s on my sig are stock #'s to the wheels. It was dynoed the day it hit 1500 miles on the clock. I've heard that the Cobra's make more power as they get more miles on them. If this is true, those #'s below are wrong.:dunno

As of right now the car is still stock. I've heard of people taking stuff off the car like the silencer and some other stuff, but I'm happy with the power it makes as of right now. When I get bored, I'll slap a $80 pulley on it and run 14psi and have about 40-50 more HP to the wheels.:D

Right now I'm more into making the car look more aggressive. I found a website that sell replica wheels just like the my factory wheels in a 17X10.5. I will be adding those and lowering it here sometime really soon. I looked into HRE's, but they are out of my price range with me getting married in Oct. and getting ready to buy a new house here in the next two months. I figure the replica's will do me just fine til I get all settled with my new life. If that is what you call it.:12:

Corey are those replica wheels in 17x10.5's from AFS, by chance?

If so, I have heard lots of good things about AFS, plus you can fit 315/35-17 BFG Drag Radials on thos 17x10.5's... :evil2

Originally posted by DINANISR3
German horses are stronger than japanese ones.. my benz has 185hp s/c I4, i only have an exhaust, and i can beat 200 hp Accord, Preludes, V6 Stangs, etc.. i have raced many cars with more horsepower than mine and have won.. in my S54 M roadster i have beat out many cars with more power than mine also.. my car is rated at 315 hp, but i have pulled on cars that are rated with more hp than mine.. i have driven all sorts of cars.. i think that German hp is stronger than Japanese hp..

There are a million other things that go into the equation, like gear ratios, weight of the car, torque, aerodynamics & a bunch of other variables.

My old 140hp I4 sentra SE-R would smoke my dads ~275HP Q45 (& would probably take your 185hp benz). That doesn't mean that Nissan horses are stronger than Infinity.......Infinity is Nissan.....

Anyways, if that was true (German HP stronger than the World :biglaughb ), can u imagine what the new 493 HP AMG's drive like :evil2

Originally posted by mpol99
There are a million other things that go into the equation, like gear ratios, weight of the car, torque, aerodynamics & a bunch of other variables.

My old 140hp I4 sentra SE-R would smoke my dads ~275HP Q45 (& would probably take your 185hp benz). That doesn't mean that Nissan horses are stronger than Infinity.......Infinity is Nissan.....

Anyways, if that was true (German HP stronger than the World :biglaughb ), can u imagine what the new 493 HP AMG's drive like :evil2

your sentra might win off the line because your car is so light, and mines a tank, but on the freeway going 75-80+ your nissan doesnt stand a chance

Just trying to prove a HP point, not trying to start a magazine racing battle :drink1:

& yes, there ARE cars with less HP than your car that would beat your benz (not necessarily the sentra, cause I've never raced a benz like yours when i had it, so I'm not gonna make stupid claims)

Yeah, those are the ones. I finally found them the other day. I've heard rumors aobut them, but finally got the website from a guy on svtperformance. I'm going to put regular street tires on the 10.5's because I'm getting them more to brong out a different look to the car. I'm not a big street racer so DR's isn't important to me. I'll admit I'll have a little run every now and then on the highway, but DR's doen't help at highway speeds. I'll WILL put DR's on the OEM rear rims for the track though.:buttrock

Originally posted by boss


A couple weeks ago I witnessed a guy run a 13.6@103 with just an intake on his 350Z. So most likely the guy you raced couldn't drive or wasn't pushing his car to the limits because he just bought it. The 350Z with a couple bolt ons is right there with the E46 M3. I've seen a couple these things run and have driven two.



I saw a 350z run as well. It was pretty easy to see in my rear view mirror.

If a supercharger is bolt on in your opinion, then sure a 350z will hang with an m3.

Has anyone ever seen a 13.8 timeslip from a 350z? I know I haven't.

Corey, what tires are you going with? SP9000's?

Sticky, I agree, I have yet to see a stock 350Z at 13.8x or below...

I'm not sure what tires I'll be getting or really what size. I've heard some people putting 315/35's (I think) on 10.5" rims, but not so sure yet.

Any suggestions on some good sticky tires?

Yeah, the 315/35-17's fit nicely on those 17x10.5 AFS wheels. Go to www.tirerack.com and see what comes in that size.

I bet quite a few good ones do, it's the old ZR1 size, and I think the old Viper back in the mid 90's had that size too.

I know BFG Drag Radials come in that size! As do Dunlop SP9000's. Maybe the new S03's do too? :dunno

For the street, that's my next tire- the S03's...

Corey, if your lookin to spend $250-300 a tire then SP9000 or Pilot Sports are the way to go. Ive heard good results wiht both. Ive got Bridgestone Potenza RE-730s 285-40-17s on all 4 corners. Im very pleased with handling improvement, wet-trac is awe inspiring, and road noise is non-existant (mind you they are only about 10k mi. old though). Id reccomend them in a heartbeat. I paid $883 installed. And yes, 315s will go nicely on 10.5" rims. A set of Pilot Sports say 315-35 out back and 275-35 or 40 up front would do nicely. If you want some wicked grip, the BFG Drags are they way to go on your OEM rims. They dont last for shite but man do they hook. My buddy runs those on his Vortech Cobra w/ 4.10s and if thats not testament to a tire hookin up i dunno what is. :buttrock Just my two-hundredths of a buck. Peace. :cool:

Yeah, 315/35 Pilot Sports for the 10.5's and 275/40 BFG DR's on your OEM rims would be awesome...

Thanks fellas! I talked to a guy at wordk lastnight and he told me the same thing about the 315's. That'll be what I get and put some DR's on the OEM's.

The only thing that I wonder about is what these 10.5's will look like on my car.:dunno I mean, are they gonna look flat faced like the OEM's? Or are the spokes gonna go in toward the lugs? Does that make sense to you guys?

There was a guy around here who has a sonic blue 03 Cobra Vert with the 10.5's and 315's on it, the pics looked great, can't remember who it was, though.

Maybe try over at www.corral.net and ask to see pics, a bunch of those guys have them too...