Only reason i post this story is it was sort of funny to me. I'm close to reaching my exit when this hopped up Integra pulls along side of me--big tach and shift light and all the funny toys. He keeps darting off and I don't bother.
As I'm just about to get off I notice right up ahead a shiny yellow Z06, just mean lookin'--I decide to stay..what the heck, it was a Saturday.
As I get in front of the vette I give a little boost run in 4th and he proceeds to follow. I'm thinking to myself, "excellent, this guy is biting."
what's funny is in the meantime this little Integra is now about 400-500ft up ahead, weaving in and out of traffic, and he finally proceeds to give me the hazard lights(!), and continues to dart off. I start chuckling to myself--this Integra would have had no idea what he'd be up against.
Just as the road starts to open up I pull to lane no.2 from lane no.1 (fast lane) and let the vette by (I like little stints where I start from behind).
As soon as I let him by at about 80mph (we're on the 10 heading towards the desert), I get behind him and he just TEARS off! Expecting this to happen, I kept it in fourth so he wouldn't get too much of a jump on me, and he didn't. I was right on his butt.
Straight up ahead there was another car in lane No.2 so I made a lane change early to get around the vette on lane No.3. By the time I get there my rear bumper is just about 5ft in front of his front, no more--this vette really kept up! I was running about 12psi (~375whp), and having had a track even just a few days prior I still had my big wing on with risers, which of course didn't help much :mad: .
What was funny is right before we shut it down we simultaneously BLEW by this Integra, which was now cruising in the No.4 lane (slow lane)--it was hysterical. I would have loved to see that from the Integra's point of view, as well as hearing the sound of that V8 at full bore and my somewhat loud setup.
Here he was trying to race and pulling the old hazard lights/"I win" trick on me when the car blows by him just edging out a ~400bhp monster.
I slow down and the Vette continues going quickly in the fast lane, giving me a big thumbs up as he drives by--gentleman. I wave him by and smile.

It was a short race, we shut it down at about 125-130mph, and the the integra finally catches up when we slow down. As it passes, two passengers are staring--eyes really big, their jaws are wide open. I gave them a smile and lift my arms in the "dunno" style :dunno , as if to say "sorry I didn't bite, but I had my eyes on the real competition just up ahead!"...they kept trying to make me follow them at that point but I just waved and got off the next exit and drove home.

I was REALLY impressed with that vette, though. holy crap it was fast.

Nice story! Yeah, the Z06 really scoots, especially on the highway, keeps on pulling, too.

Nice Kill against a Big Boy :clap:

Nice Vader!
Hey! I read about the Oil Cooler install in European Car. Can you share more on that. I called the company you used, and they said that would need serious fitment work.
What did you have to do, and how are the results?

Thanks,

Greg

z06's are damn fast.

This will put a damper on my efforts to make my car faster than a z06. It looks like it will not be possible.

Not with that SMG... ;)

Originally posted by SilverStreak
Not with that SMG... ;)

It is not a matter of smg vs. stick in this case. On the highway I would rather have smg anyday, like in a situation such as this :) It is all about power in this case, you know some of us do like to run on the highway more than running from a stop... :stickoutt

Some of us like the 3rd pedal, and some of us like wuss-o-matics, too... :D

There's something for everyone, those of us with cars faster than the Z06 tend to have sticks, though... ;)

Unless you're running consistent low low 12s....12.1s or so for the moderate Z06 driver, there is no way in hell you can keep up with one.

I've seen three Z06s run down at the 1320', all three broke into the 11s with OEM tires.

You better believe they can pretty much take about 98% of the cars on the road...except mine of course :) and Vader's and Dave's

:D

Originally posted by Sticky
z06's are damn fast.

This will put a damper on my efforts to make my car faster than a z06. It looks like it will not be possible.

This is what we have been telling you since day one.

Brian

Thank you, Brian.

Originally posted by dallasbboy
This is what we have been telling you since day one.

Brian

I haven't denied that. It will just take a lot more money and effort it seems. I still don't want to go fast in a z06, I want to do it in an m3.

Originally posted by SilverStreak
Some of us like the 3rd pedal, and some of us like wuss-o-matics, too... :D

There's something for everyone, those of us with cars faster than the Z06 tend to have sticks, though... ;)

You should know the fastest drag racing cars are automatic. The fastest road course cars (and even rally cars) all have sequential gearboxes. What's on the ferrari enzo? Yea, that's what I thought :)

Originally posted by Sticky
I haven't denied that. It will just take a lot more money and effort it seems. I still don't want to go fast in a z06, I want to do it in an m3.

"It looks like it will not be possible. "

This implys that before you thought it was possible before.

So you did deny that.

The only drag cars that have specially built automatic transmissions are the top fuel ones and those are hardly even cars.

SMG is a lot better for road course driivng, you are correct there.

Brian

Do you have a dragster or a road-racer? Didn't think so. So here in the real world of daily drivers, a larger % of cars that are faster than the Z06 are sticks.

If you had been to the drag strip more than 4 times in your 3 yrs of legalized driving at the age of 19, you'd know of what I'm speaking... ;)

I vote that we change Sticky's title under his name from "Perpetual Timeout" to "Often wrong, never in doubt"... :D

What do you guys think? ;)

Should I post a poll in Off Topic about this idea/change? :devillook

:lol: Lol. Ouch Dave..... I hope I never make your s*** list.

Pascal

Originally posted by SilverStreak
I vote that we change Sticky's title under his name from "Perpetual Timeout" to "Often wrong, never in doubt"... :D

What do you guys think? ;)

Should I post a poll in Off Topic about this idea/change? :devillook

LMAO!! Dave...your wit is as quick as your quarter mile time.

:laugh The funny part is, Sticky is not even on my Sh** List... :D

I'm just teasing him (which I think he knows), cuz he's been proven wrong on some many tiny little things here and there over the past 2 months, by various people, and he was recently caught whining about it in Off Topic, so I thought I'd have a little fun with him.... :)

He can take it...

Although, I'm serious about posting the poll to have the membership vote on his title.... I could research and dig up specific quotes over the last 2 months, gotta be at least 5-6 examples where he originally stated one thing, only to be proven wrong by someone, yet never admit he was wrong to begin with.

He'll side step the issue, said he meant "this" not "that", when he originally said "that" etc, but he'll never come right out and admit he was wrong about anything... it'd be comical if it weren't so tragic... :D

Originally posted by dallasbboy
"It looks like it will not be possible. "

This implys that before you thought it was possible before.

So you did deny that.

The only drag cars that have specially built automatic transmissions are the top fuel ones and those are hardly even cars.

SMG is a lot better for road course driivng, you are correct there.

Brian

Ok I made 2 contradictory statements, let me explain. It is possible to make any car faster than another, it just takes boat loads of cash sometimes. There are FI options coming out for the s54 soon, which will push it past z06 territory, in power atleast. The point I just wanted to make is that the z06 is really fast and it will take a lot of work to make an m3 faster.

What are you talking about only top fuel cars having built auto's? The import drag racers use auto's (supra's for example) as they build boost at the line. Pro Stock guys also use automatics for the large part. Auto's dominate drag racing, that is a fact.

Originally posted by SilverStreak
Do you have a dragster or a road-racer? Didn't think so. So here in the real world of daily drivers, a larger % of cars that are faster than the Z06 are sticks.

If you had been to the drag strip more than 4 times in your 3 yrs of legalized driving at the age of 19, you'd know of what I'm speaking... ;)

Always brigning experience into everything. You know silver, you are only 34, there is still a lot for YOU to learn as well :12:

Why is it every thread we post in comes down to smg vs. stick? My car is great for the road course by the way, how is it not a road race car, or do you mean dedicated for road racing?

See what I mean? :lol:

33 by the way... ;) And roughly 6600 runs at the drag strip in my 17 yrs of drag racing.

The majority of our cars here are daily driver's, not Pro Race Cars for any event. We're all driving street legal daily driver's, down to our tires.

At the pro level, things are different. But we're not discussing those cars, we're discussing M3's, Z06's, and such... not F1, not NASCAR, not Top Fuel, etc...

Originally posted by SilverStreak
See what I mean? :lol:

Do you always have to get the last word in? :hapface:

And you're right, I do have plenty left to learn. I make mistakes all the time. And you'll notice that when I'm wrong about something, I'm the first one to admit to it.

I enjoy learning, I'm not insecure and don't take it as a shot to my fragile ego or use it as an excuse to lash out at others...

I don't make excuses in any circumstance, even when I'm wrong... <--- It's called maturity, integrity, humility, etc... ;)

Originally posted by SilverStreak
33 by the way... ;) And roughly 6600 runs at the drag strip in my 17 yrs of drag racing.

The majority of our cars here are daily driver's, not Pro Race Cars for any event. We're all driving street legal daily driver's, down to our tires.

At the pro level, things are different. But we're not discussing those cars, we're discussing M3's, Z06's, and such... not F1, not NASCAR, not Top Fuel, etc...

I'll give you that, the majority of performance cars are manual. However, if you think there are no street driven auto cars that can beat you, you are very mistaken. :az:

There's always someone faster, Stickmeister, I don't worry about that. You'll notice though that cars like the Z06, and the last generation M Roadster, the Cobra, etc, only came with a stick... there's a reason for that...

Originally posted by Sticky
Do you always have to get the last word in? :hapface:

Only when you set me up for the punch line so easily... :laugh

And you're one to talk about getting in the last word, my friend... ;)

Originally posted by SilverStreak
There's always someone faster, Stickmeister, I don't worry about that. You'll notice though that cars like the Z06, and the last generation M Roadster, the Cobra, etc, only came with a stick... there's a reason for that...

Yep, because developing a sequential gearbox is very expensive. There is a reason the enzo only comes with F1 shifting.

Originally posted by SilverStreak


And you're one to talk about getting in the last word, my friend... ;)

I don't like to lose... :stickoutt

No. The M3 is a luxury sporty coupe. It does a variety of things extremely well.

But it's not in the same classification (not better or worse, mind you, just different) than cars like the Z06 and M Roadster, even the Cobra.

Originally posted by Sticky
I don't like to lose... :stickoutt

Says the guy who has only ever run a best of a 13.6 in his $60K car... :laugh


Nope, your problem is, you can't stand to be proven wrong, so you go off on tangent points, back step your original comments, take things out of context, and basically try anything to draw attention away from the fact that you were possibly wrong about something.

Hence, you're new title: "Often wrong, never in doubt" :D

Originally posted by SilverStreak
Says the guy who has only ever run a best of a 13.6 in his $60K car... :laugh


Nope, your problem is, you can't stand to be proven wrong, so you go off on tangent points, back step your original comments, take things out of context, and basically try anything to draw attention away from the fact that you were possibly wrong about something.

Hence, you're new title: "Often wrong, never in doubt" :D

The best timeslip I have seen for SMG is 13.3. I am 3/10's off

I'm not wrong :stickoutt

Originally posted by SilverStreak
There's always someone faster, Stickmeister, I don't worry about that. You'll notice though that cars like the Z06, and the last generation M Roadster, the Cobra, etc, only came with a stick... there's a reason for that...

And that reason is that sequential gearbox technology is not readily available for most mass market cars. Look at the cars that are coming out.... New m5, enzo, vanquish, slr etc. Audi has even recently released a tranny that can actually pre-select the next gear, giving seamless power.
Mark my words, like it or not, tranny's like the SMG are the wave of the future and will eventually phase out the traditional manual tranny completely.

Are you asking me to do the research, pull up all those threads where you were proven wrong on various points, including this one?? And then post the poll for all to see how often you are wrong? :evil2

You're 3/10ths off the best SMG time ever. Hardly anything to brag about... ;) Especially when folks with your car and a stick are running 12.7's and 12.8's bone stock...

You'll likely need mods to improve to a 13.2 in your car. As you have seen with the SMG, it provides consistency at the strip. Most of your runs yielded a 13.7x, only 1 in the 13.6's. I'd be willing to bet the best you'll ever get with your car, in bone stock form, will be a 13.5x.

Originally posted by GMat
And that reason is that sequential gearbox technology is not readily available for most mass market cars. Look at the cars that are coming out.... New m5, enzo, vanquish, slr etc. Audi has even recently released a tranny that can actually pre-select the next gear, giving seamless power.
Mark my words, like it or not, tranny's like the SMG are the wave of the future and will eventually phase out the traditional manual tranny completely.

God I hope not. SMG's are neat, but I hope they let the consumer choose there choice of transmission. If sticks go away, I'll be driving old cars for a long time...

Originally posted by SilverStreak


You're 3/10ths off the best SMG time ever. Hardly anything to brag about... ;) Especially when folks with your car and a stick are running 12.7's and 12.8's bone stock...

You'll likely need mods to improve to a 13.2 in your car. As you have seen with the SMG, it provides consistency at the strip. Most of your runs yielded a 13.7x, only 1 in the 13.6's. I'd be willing to bet the best you'll ever get with your car, in bone stock form, will be a 13.5x.

Hey, (not to nitpick) I had 2 13.6's and one 13.7 (where I shifted into automatic mode to see if it was faster).

Well, I believe I could do a 13.4 STOCK. I guess we can bet on it, see who is right. With a lower elevation track I know I will be close.

There will always be holdouts (like you and I). But nowadays, the market determines product as I'm sure you are aware. Only time will tell I guess!

Geoff, I hear ya. I see the appeal and value of SMG, I just hope they continue to offer all 3 tranny choices to the consumer: Stick, SMG, and Auto.

If you're gonna ditch 1 of the 3, ditch the auto, cuz SMG has a few auto modes, you know?

Originally posted by Sticky
Hey, (not to nitpick) I had 2 13.6's and one 13.7 (where I shifted into automatic mode to see if it was faster).

Well, I believe I could do a 13.4 STOCK. I guess we can bet on it, see who is right. With a lower elevation track I know I will be close.

Since when is 2nd best good enough for the Stickmeister? :D

13.2 bone stock on your SMG for the "best" or nothing. Show some pride and stop making excuses (the "elevation" comment smacked of an "excuse"....)

Originally posted by SilverStreak
Geoff, I hear ya. I see the appeal and value of SMG, I just hope they continue to offer all 3 tranny choices to the consumer: Stick, SMG, and Auto.

If you're gonna ditch 1 of the 3, ditch the auto, cuz SMG has a few auto modes, you know?

SMG's auto mode isn't all that great. It is like driving a manual and having someone else shift for you, so it jerks you all around. Perhaps the auto mode could be improved to truly be like a regular automatic.

Originally posted by SilverStreak
Since when is 2nd best good enough for the Stickmeister? :D

13.2 bone stock on your SMG for the "best" or nothing. Show some pride and stop making excuses (the "elevation" comment smacked of an "excuse"....)

Do you ever think about the threads we hijack and how many posts we make bantering back and forth? I don't mind, I just wanted to point it out.

I pointed out elevation to show that there is more potential left in the car, it was not an excuse. I ran a 13.6, and that is my best time for now.

I said it "smacked" of an excuse. Do your best. Say what you mean, mean what you say. Nothing more, nothing less. No excuses. No coulda, shoulda, woulda.

When I lost to that Cobra, did you hear one excuse from me? No. What happened, happened, no need to speculate over coulda, shoulda, woulda. I lost, plain and simple.

You won't ever catch me making any excuses for anything, elevation, weather, air density, track prep, traction, etc. I deal only in reality. You won't ever hear me saying, "Yeah, well IF this or that, then...."

Originally posted by Vader M3

I was REALLY impressed with that vette, though. holy crap it was fast.

Pablo-


My friend Kal just bought a mint condition 97 Supra TT and about a week abou he went BPU, with only minor bolt ons, intake, exhaust and boost controller.

He spanked a Z06 from a roll by about 4 car lengths multiple times in a row.

The only one that looks to be challenging to him is one of those supercharged ones out @ Flames. I'll let you know what happens.

Sweet to see you Brad. Brad or anyone else. Has any MKIV TT owners tried to get the best of both worlds, e.g., handling and excellent straight line acceleration. I would think a 500 rwhp supra would be a potent animal on a track. I know that they can be made to handle VERY VERY well on a track; but, is there a point where to much HP overshadows any type of handling modification?

Originally posted by NoSoup4U
is there a point where to much HP overshadows any type of handling modification?

I'm interested in this also. Anyone care to elaborate on this?

Originally posted by dave is cool
I'm interested in this also. Anyone care to elaborate on this?

Well to me that would seem more a funtion of what you deem to be "handling". For a road course car, handling is near-zero body roll, near-zero dive on braking, and perfectly neutral to slight oversteer in the corners. For a drag car, you want nearly the opposite. You could give a shit less about body roll, braking is a mere afterthought, and what you really wanna see is that front suspension completely unloading on top of the rear and your tires hook. That being said, i suppose it would be possible to over power your suspension if, and thats a big if, you arent using the right tool for the job. As in, taking my stock suspension Camaro and building it to 800 hp then taking it to the road course and expecting not to kill yourself. Now, take said 800hp beast and put it on a drag strip with some sticky tires and all of a sudden you have yourself a nice mid-high 9 sec car. Not to say you wouldnt have to do some tweaks to the suspension on my car, but you get the picture. Some cars are built for road course (Rx-7, Supra, Z-06, and M3 come to mind) and some for the drag way (all pony cars, Buick GN, F-150 Lightning etc.) Just realize what your trying to do with your car greatly affects the setup and the level of power that is safe. And to be honsest, as far as haveing to much power, with rare exception anything making more than 500 rwhp is gonna be a bitch to control on the top end on street tires. (This comes to mind thinking about my friends 445rwhp Vortech Cobra thats sitting in the body shop right now).

Back to the transmission debate, if you hang around the drag strip long enough you'll notice a distinct trend. For most fast factory cars, yes manual trannys are the absolute rule. In fact, i cant think of one single car that runs faster than a 13 flat that is even available with an auto. (Correct me if im wrong). Now when you start talking about modded cars, and keep in mind im mostly talking about domestics here but bear with me, you'll see a distinct line form around the mid to high 11 sec mark where most (not all) of the cars start to be autos. And of those guys whose primary concern is just a bad ass et., autos almost to the man. In the world of heavy modded cars, basically, if you want a fun car to drive, get you a stick. Want to kick ass and take names street and strip.....auto is the way to go. This is not to mention the fact that there are damn few manual trannys capable of holding the power levels nessesary to put a 3400lb car into the 10s (yes they exist but the cost can be prohibitive). Sorry but i cant comment on the sequentials....very little experiance. Well thats my take on the situation. Peace. :cool:

Originally posted by Brad D.
Pablo-


My friend Kal just bought a mint condition 97 Supra TT and about a week abou he went BPU, with only minor bolt ons, intake, exhaust and boost controller.

He spanked a Z06 from a roll by about 4 car lengths multiple times in a row.

The only one that looks to be challenging to him is one of those supercharged ones out @ Flames. I'll let you know what happens.

howdy,
doesn't surpise me--what boost was he running?
the more I think about it, I got what I expected running ~12psi. At the track I can hang with them at 9-10psi down the straights. I've never compared my car with a stock Z06 at 15psi, however. What's odd is I've seen now two videos of BPU Supras with racegas losing to a stock Viper GTS, though (and I'm sure other BPU Supras will win)---I guess there's somewhat of a 'range' in hp from one "BPU" Supra to the next, no?



as for suspension talk: a setup with less bodyroll (or let's just say stiffness) will usually require more grip, too. If you have a setup for roadcourse slicks and you put on street tires, you may find that the tires will give out sooner than with a street suspension--that's not good, and in this case you need that side to sway so the tires dig in.
Too many times people will 'stiffen' their suspension so much for the street, only to actually hurt the handling in the end. They think they haven't but then again it's because it's hard to get a car fully loaded "laterally" on the street with a heavy, high-speed trail-brake and all that--I have yet to be able to duplicate any of that stuff on the street to the same extreme as on the roadcourse. Maybe close, but it felt way too dangerous.

Originally posted by Vader M3
howdy,
doesn't surpise me--what boost was he running?
the more I think about it, I got what I expected running ~12psi. At the track I can hang with them at 9-10psi down the straights. I've never compared my car with a stock Z06 at 15psi, however. What's odd is I've seen now two videos of BPU Supras with racegas losing to a stock Viper GTS, though (and I'm sure other BPU Supras will win)---I guess there's somewhat of a 'range' in hp from one "BPU" Supra to the next, no?


Yeah. I am thinking the ones that lost were on pump gas. We raced a 03 Cobra from a dead dig twice-The guy said he had EVERYTHING available for his car, and that he had 470rwhp, and he was on Drag Radials. but he only beat us by 2 car lengths, and he didn't spin @ all.

I estimate Kal's car to be in the 420rwhp range on straight 100 octane @ 22psi, but that night we were on 95 octane at 19psi.

Originally posted by SilverStreak
There's always someone faster, Stickmeister, I don't worry about that. You'll notice though that cars like the Z06, and the last generation M Roadster, the Cobra, etc, only came with a stick... there's a reason for that...

Just to throw my 2 cents in, in my community the Auto Supra's are considerably faster on the drag strip. I wouldn't wanna meet one of those on the freeway either. He can build over 1 bar of boost
brake boosting and it takes off like a rocket..(of course you can do that with a 6 speed..)

Also personally I don't believe that just because they don't offer the Z06 in Auto means anything. They offered the best car ever made, the 97-98 M3 in Auto.

My friend Ryan @ BPU level ran 12.1 @ and trapped @ over 121mph on street tires in his Auto.

But you know the 6 speed is for me Silver...


hehe

I hear you, Brad. But in the old auto vs stick debate, it's common that true sports cars at least offer the availability of a stick, cuz the chances are an enthusiast is interested in an all out sports car, and the chances are he/she will want the option of rowing gears as part of the experience, etc.

Also, "We raced a 03 Cobra from a dead dig twice-The guy said he had EVERYTHING available for his car, and that he had 470rwhp, and he was on Drag Radials. but he only beat us by 2 car lengths, and he didn't spin @ all."

Do a search on my most recent post here in the Kills Forum. I raced an 03 Cobra with 477 rwhp and on Drag Radials out here, from 0-100 or so. Sounds like a similar set up on the Cobra to the one you're talking about. He beat me, but it wasn't by much.

Originally posted by Vader M3
It was a short race, we shut it down at about 125-130mph,

race? from a roll? :biglaughb





I am surprised to see that the master missed this one...
:biglaughb :biglaughb :biglaughb

I purposely over-looked it :D, hence why when referring to my race against that 03 Cobra, I purposely mentioned "from 0-100 or so" to differentiate/clarify... ;)

You know I am joking, I could not be here as much as I wanted but good to see you posting as always..:)

I know, man! :D

Where you been? How's your beast? Anything new going on with it?

My daughter is 7 months old now..:b_blue:

Mcoupe is running strong, I just don't get to enjoy it as much as I used to..:(

However it feels faster each time after I park it for a week as Karl suggests each time I ask for more HP:biglaughb

Cool, man, congrats! :buttrock

Just a matter of time before you hear those dreaded words from your daughter....

"Dad, where are your keys?" :D

Originally posted by SilverStreak
Cool, man, congrats! :buttrock

Just a matter of time before you hear those dreaded words from your daughter....

"Dad, where are your keys?" :D

Scary thought:eek:

Originally posted by SilverStreak


Do a search on my most recent post here in the Kills Forum. I raced an 03 Cobra with 477 rwhp and on Drag Radials out here, from 0-100 or so. Sounds like a similar set up on the Cobra to the one you're talking about. He beat me, but it wasn't by much.

Good run man. I can dig a car with lightweight like yours. You have me jealous wishing I could chop off 350 pounds.

Nice run with the Cobra. My friend Kal was so pissed when we lost. The one thing those BPU Supra's do very well is pull in 3rd and 4th gears when they really get under load and start making boost. The stock twins just can't hold boost all the way up to redline. The Cobra put 2 cars on us in 2nd gear and it stayed that way through the whole race after that.

It always happens when I don't have my car with me!

Yeah, Brad, I hear you. My car's got a monster 3rd gear, but the lead he built up early was a lot to overcome.

We've been in touch via email, and me, Bob (Cobra) and Jimmy (neighbor with Z06) are all gonna hit Atco together sometime soon, and have a Round Robin Shootout... :evil2

Ya know all this 03 Cobra talk i have to relate a recent experiance. Friend of a friend pulls up at our recent dyno day with his then bone stock 03 vert. Pulls 370/370 rwhp/tq, respectivly. Leaves for a while goes home puts on an off-road X pipe....390/390. Leaves once more goes to another mutual friends machine shop. Guys bangs him out a 1 in. smaller pulley (took him from 8 to 14 psi) a few hours later they show up. Care to take a shot in the dark at what the pulley did? Keeping in mind this car started at 9am as bone stock and 370 rwhp......456 rwhp 443 rwtq. >$600 in mods. Crazy. The guy really didnt know what he had you should have seen the look on his face when the numbers flashed up. But funny thing is, he took it to the track (1/8 mi) and could only muster a 8.3 @ 83 mph. Thats roughly a 12.8/9 @ 103-105 mph. Not impressive. I suppose the guy just cant drive. I mean if he had run an 8.3 @ 90+ that would have made sense in that he spun. But his mph absolutly sucked. Anywho, it made for a really interesting dyno day. (Should have seen it, no less than $100 worth of bets about what the car would do post-pulley. :D ) Peace. :cool:

yeah, very telling would be his 60' times on that run.

Those cars (03 Cobra) are badass to be sure, toooooo easy to mod for big power... :D

Originally posted by SilverStreak
yeah, very telling would be his 60' times on that run.

Those cars (03 Cobra) are badass to be sure, toooooo easy to mod for big power... :D

Very true Dave. But to be perfectly honest they seem to have some of that Supra gene in them wherein they dont go quite as fast as the dyno would have you belive. At least not in my experiance. I guess one thing to keep in mind is those cars are waaaaayyyy heavy. Brougham at the dynos car tipped at a hair less than 2 tons. (Mind you it was a vert). I dunno maybe its just horsepower jealousy jading my view on the subject. When i get 450 rwhp I'll revaluate the situation and let ya know :devillook . Peace. :cool:

A posted a thread a while ago about running with an s2k. Well the guy with the s2k got an 03 cobra and he called me out to race next month. So I guess we will have a video of an m3 running an 03 cobra. Obviously I expect to get my ass handed to me...

Originally posted by PHATNA-Z
Ya know all this 03 Cobra talk i have to relate a recent experiance. Friend of a friend pulls up at our recent dyno day with his then bone stock 03 vert. Pulls 370/370 rwhp/tq, respectivly. Leaves for a while goes home puts on an off-road X pipe....390/390. Leaves once more goes to another mutual friends machine shop. Guys bangs him out a 1 in. smaller pulley (took him from 8 to 14 psi) a few hours later they show up. Care :

If that guy threw a larger pulley in there and went from 8 to 14psi, tell him to enjoy his motor while he can. That's too much boost to be running on the factory ignition timing/fuel curve.

Originally posted by PHATNA-Z
Very true Dave. But to be perfectly honest they seem to have some of that Supra gene

That "Supra Gene" doesn't exist..I thought you of all guys would know that.

It's bad drivers with bad traction.

As far as I know a Supra holds the NHRA Street tire record, and I know tons of them that run sub 12 second with 1200.00 worth of bolt-ons.

My friend Cameron has a T04-R Supra, he dyno'd the same day as me, and we were both on pump gas.

He made 459 horsepower @ 18psi. That same day on pump gas at the same boost he ran 11.7 @ 127mph on his first run.

I made 529 horsepower and 485 lb/ft of torque @ 16psi..just didn't track the car. The same exact day I made 599 Horsepower and 570 lb/ft of torque @ 23psi on C16.

Damn I need to run the track.

Another factor might be weight. The 03 Cobra is 3650 lbs, that weighs about as much as 540i. That's a lot. So 390 hp is alot, no doubt, but even that, it's not the same as 350 hp in a car that is 600-700 lbs lighter, etc...

So when the #'s get big, like 470+ rwhp in an 03 Cobra, yes, it's very fast, and if traction is solved for, it's a beast, but it's still damn heavy for all that power.

Case in point, I ran a guy in an 03 Cobra with 477 rwhp to my measly 321 rwhp, likely his car tipped the scales close to 3900 lbs with him it, almost a full 1000 lbs more than my car with me in it, we ran neck and neck and I lost by 3 feet or so...