View Full Version : E46 M3 SMG vs. C5 vette (FINALLY :) )
Sticky 03-25-2003, 01:41 AM Got behind a vette at a stop light. There is a car in the next lane so unfortunately I could not get next to him, but I had been riding his ass so maybe he got the idea that I wanted to play. I had a passenger in the car and he was by himself.
Light goes green and he takes off normally. As soon as we pass the car in the next lane he gets on it, and I do too. I shift into second and switch to the next lane and PASS him. I was suprised I passed him already, especially with a passenger in the car. I pull a car through second, and into third 2 more cars and he quickly shuts down midway through third realizing it is futile :)
I get a thumb up from the guy which was cool. Finally I got a c5 to race, I was dissapointed though. This thing had to be automatic because it was not that quick.
JMWeb 03-25-2003, 01:49 AM Man you have been busy lately..
I havent had that many opportunities...
Sticky 03-25-2003, 01:55 AM Originally posted by JaWeb
Man you have been busy lately..
I havent had that many opportunities...
I ran into a diablo 6.0 yesterday too. I didn't try and get him to race ;)
MMJ4mil 03-25-2003, 03:16 AM nice kill.
Iron Chef 03-25-2003, 03:35 AM Originally posted by Sticky
Finally I got a c5 to race, I was dissapointed though. This thing had to be automatic because it was not that quick.
Automatic C5s aren't that slower than the regular 6spds are they? Anyone have any numbers?
dan330 03-25-2003, 09:32 AM nice kill.
You are one crazy dude with a heavy right foot. :)
You guys should have been dead even according to the stats.
Maybe you have a strong motor... Maybe you have a couple of hippies in a hamster wheel giving you extra HP! :D
NoSoup4U 03-25-2003, 09:47 AM I don't know, sticky needs to hit the track and tell us his times. I find some of these supposed kills incredulous. I think people realize pulling MORE than one CL on ANY vehicle, means you REALLY REALLY have to have much more power than that car.
I'd like to see him take on a WS6....that is a fair match in my mind. If he pulls CL's on that thing, then I'm going to raise the B.S. flag on 90% of his kills...except for the ones where he is stalking little740girl.... :) and passing grandpa's in their caddies...
P.S. -- I'm stating this opinion because sticky is doing people from a ROLL...huge difference, you have to have MUCH MORE power to pull on someone from a roll ... and less driver skill is factored in.
Someone with a f/i e36 needs to run and lay the smackdown on his ass out there .... :biglaughb .... there's tons of you f/i guys out there in CA, someone step up here and represent !! :buttrock
Iron Chef 03-25-2003, 10:46 AM Originally posted by NoSoup4U
Someone with a f/i e36 needs to run and lay the smackdown on his ass out there .... :biglaughb .... there's tons of you f/i guys out there in CA, someone step up here and represent !! :buttrock
Well he has stated that he'd like to run against a supercharged E36. I'd like to see that as well.
SilverStreak 03-25-2003, 11:06 AM James, his car ran a 13.6 recently.
And I agree, this running from a roll crap is just stupid, too many things get factored in, and basically make it useless for a scientific comparison of anything worthwhile.
Real men race from a dead stop! :evil2
Kevlar 03-25-2003, 11:21 AM Originally posted by Sticky
I ran into a diablo 6.0 yesterday too. I didn't try and get him to race ;)
I tried racing a Murchiellago once ... it wasn't pretty.
I agree with James here. In order to pull on a car, you have to have a lot more power than what the E46 puts out. I love the E46 with a passion, but there's no way in hell any can pull like that without work done to them. The way you're pulling on a C5 is just too unbelievable, and running a 13.6 at the track doesn't help either. There are a couple E36s out there that could run right next to you with a couple mods.
SilverStreak 03-25-2003, 01:53 PM Keep in mind that Sticky has an SMG, has only been to the track like 3-4 times in his whole life, and it was a high elevation track, at that...
Nice call Dave...but still, you can see where James and I are coming from.
SilverStreak 03-25-2003, 02:05 PM Oh I agree with you, just pointing out as much info as I can...
Sticky 03-25-2003, 03:32 PM Originally posted by NoSoup4U
I don't know, sticky needs to hit the track and tell us his times. I find some of these supposed kills incredulous. I think people realize pulling MORE than one CL on ANY vehicle, means you REALLY REALLY have to have much more power than that car.
I'd like to see him take on a WS6....that is a fair match in my mind. If he pulls CL's on that thing, then I'm going to raise the B.S. flag on 90% of his kills...except for the ones where he is stalking little740girl.... :) and passing grandpa's in their caddies...
P.S. -- I'm stating this opinion because sticky is doing people from a ROLL...huge difference, you have to have MUCH MORE power to pull on someone from a roll ... and less driver skill is factored in.
I can't fucking believe this shit. You guys are actually saying I am making these kills up? I had a passenger for god's sake. I have kills on video that I have run, what do I have to gain from making stuff up? I have pulled on STOCK c32's from a roll, and a modified one. I can't believe this, after going out of my way to post video's for you guys.
I ALREADY LOST TO A WS6 WHICH I POSTED, do a search on some of my kills (or me getting killed).
Sticky,
We're not saying you're lying(at least I'm not) it's just sort of strange how easily you pull on these types of cars. They're not exactly your ordinary vehicles, most of these cars have plenty of umph. But the hesitation comes in because every one of these cars you run into either can't drive for anything or get slaughtered or both...coincidence...probably not.
2 or 3 carlengths doesn't seem much when you say it, but in reality, it's about 1 or 1.5 sec in the 1/4, which says plenty about how fast the car accelerates. Think about how much difference a 14.0 sec car and a 13.0 sec car is, that's like a stock E36 M3 vs. stock E46 M3. Which is more than likely, about 2 or 3 carlengths by the end of the 1/4. Even more after that...
Sticky 03-25-2003, 03:44 PM Originally posted by LY95
Sticky,
We're not saying you're lying(at least I'm not) it's just sort of strange how easily you pull on these types of cars. They're not exactly your ordinary vehicles, most of these cars have plenty of umph. But the hesitation comes in because every one of these cars you run into either can't drive for anything or get slaughtered or both...coincidence...probably not.
2 or 3 carlengths doesn't seem much when you say it, but in reality, it's about 1 or 1.5 sec in the 1/4, which says plenty about how fast the car accelerates. Think about how much difference a 14.0 sec car and a 13.0 sec car is, that's like a stock E36 M3 vs. stock E46 M3. Which is more than likely, about 2 or 3 carlengths by the end of the 1/4. Even more after that...
I am just telling it like it happened. 14.0 vs. 13.0 is a ten car length difference. My car has been pulling and keeping up with cars it is not "supposed" to: c32, ferrari 355, l1's, s55 amg, etc. I don't think it is possible for my car to be stronger than other m3's, but maybe it is. I will get a dyno and let you guys know the numbers. I have really felt my engine open up in the last 1k miles as well, my mpg has gone up from 16.5 to 17.5 and I am driving the car just as hard, if not harder.
In any event, nice runs and keep up the good work.
///MINI 03-25-2003, 03:53 PM I'm telling you, it's gotta be the triangular wheels in the rear! :D
Sticky 03-25-2003, 04:00 PM Originally posted by ///M Roadster
I'm telling you, it's gotta be the triangular wheels in the rear! :D
Hey, you already used that joke in another thread :stickoutt
But seriously, if you guy's don't believe this stuff I am not going to bother making video's. I mean what is next, I edit my video's so I look faster?
///MINI 03-25-2003, 04:08 PM I'm just playing, man. Keep the videos coming. Just keep the car shiny-side up.
yack447 03-25-2003, 04:09 PM i believe you sticky, as should everyone else.
Iron Chef 03-25-2003, 04:23 PM Yuh sticky is an excellent shifter, oh wait, he's got SMG...
fcotanis 03-25-2003, 05:10 PM Sicky -
Two things got stuck in my mind:
1) you said your engine has been opening up lately.
- uh-oh - praying it's not going to bloom on you.
2) do you do oil reports on each of your oil services?
Those M3 engines are great while they last - just watch it - can't believe you wanted to kill a porche regardless ignoring the warmup warning.
I know you are going to egg me but are you aware that clearences are different when yoru engine is cold versus when it's warm? You're "porting and polishing" internal components if you go past that warning light when cold.
Just be careful man. No car in this world would make me redline it when cold - not even a hispanic civic driver spitting at me and giving me the finger and telling me I can't drive.
You got too nice of a car. not to mention $$$
Hope it lasts you forever,
FIlip
slickav 03-25-2003, 05:13 PM Sure it doesnt exactly right, but its believable. Why wouldnt it be? Maybe the guy couldnt drive the car to its potential.
Deutscher Konnt 03-25-2003, 05:25 PM Originally posted by Sticky
I can't fucking believe this shit. You guys are actually saying I am making these kills up? I had a passenger for god's sake. I have kills on video that I have run, what do I have to gain from making stuff up? I have pulled on STOCK c32's from a roll, and a modified one. I can't believe this, after going out of my way to post video's for you guys.
I ALREADY LOST TO A WS6 WHICH I POSTED, do a search on some of my kills (or me getting killed).
I agree with you, why the fuck would anyone go on a forum and post races that never took place to be read by people that they will never meet in person? Don't listen to that shit, I think that people need to have something to back themselves up with before trying to take down someone else's credibility.
injunfeller 03-25-2003, 06:37 PM Good Kill!
I believe you Sticky but it was probably a 6-speed with a driver that didnt know how to drive.
On the highway i have raced a vette or 2(not stock), in 3rd gear for me we are dead even with the vette maybe inching. When i shift to 4th i get smoked BAD...
From lower speeds though its a complete different story. If there are equal drivers I might pull a car at max though.
One time at the local 1/4 mile track i raced a C5 6-speed and had 2+ cars on him. I did really shitty and ran a 13.71(the worst i have ever run in my M3), but the C5 ended up running a 14 something. I guess he spun off the line, which is exactly what probably happened to you.
Either way i'm glad you had a good experience. The last vette i raced flipped me, both driver and passenger and stopped at the light just to tell me how slow my car is and what a POS M3's are. I didnt really think much of it but my opinion of vette owners was seriously lowered as a result of some of the "trash" that drive it.
keep the rubber side down and be careful out there:buttrock
NoSoup4U 03-25-2003, 06:53 PM First of all, I do NOT speak for the majority. I only speak for myself. So, do not state You guys , it's my opinion, not anyone else's because I posted it.
Well, other people can be nice and play semantics with their words ... and I was actually being sarcastic in my post, hence, the smiley faces ..... but, since you retorted the way you did ... screw tact, because it is way over-rated anyways.
For me, I just don't like you, you're arrogant in your postings and you brag. You glorify street-racing on a consistent basis. It's not like you post once a week about your kills, it's a constant barrage. Plus, you are an ass to other people ...
So I like to give you shit. You love to contradict other people and argue with them; but, obviously, you can't take it when someone questions you. Can you sense the irony?
True, you might have pulled on C32's; but, let me give you my perception and experiences. I've seen a C32 amg hit 12.63 in the 1/4 mile. I've ran against a WS6 and lost in the 1/4 mile by .1 of a second; but, I pulled a faster time than 13.6 that you ran. Plus, my trap speed was better than the WS6. That was only at lo-boost of 6.5 lbs. Thus, I've taken on C5's before as well, and I've have NOT pulled CL's ... and I have a much better power/weight ratio than you do.
Further, you actually tape your races and go out of your way for these things. I don't care what other people here say on this forum. For me, you are no better than those people that street race through residential neighborhoods. Fortunately for you, you make decent money and can afford a nice car. However, that's pretty much the only thing you have going for you. You are impolite to other members on the board. You are curt. You do not accept criticism from other people. I mean, you wrote this:
after going out of my way to post video's for you guys.
Do you think you are doing us some big favor by posting/hosting video's? C'mon Stickster...yes, we do enjoy your video's and your mesozoic antics; but, don't try to act like we owe you something.
Sorry to burst your bubble; but, get used to people questioning you and not believing you. It's not because people are trying to be an a-hole; but, rather it's human nature to always question and dissect a situation. I bust your balls not to be a prick Stickman; but, it's just genuine inquiries. Like I said, if you claimed you beat a WS6, then I would raise the B.S. flag on you for 90% of your kills; but, since you didn't claim that, that flag was never raised. So, you actually overreacted to a situation that never arose.
I was merely jabbing at you for fun ... :wave: Although, I don't like you, doesn't mean I can't be respectful toward you.
Sticky 03-25-2003, 09:17 PM Originally posted by NoSoup4U
For me, I just don't like you, you're arrogant in your postings and you brag. You glorify street-racing on a consistent basis. It's not like you post once a week about your kills, it's a constant barrage. Plus, you are an ass to other people ...
So I like to give you shit. You love to contradict other people and argue with them; but, obviously, you can't take it when someone questions you. Can you sense the irony?
Further, you actually tape your races and go out of your way for these things. I don't care what other people here say on this forum. For me, you are no better than those people that street race through residential neighborhoods. Fortunately for you, you make decent money and can afford a nice car. However, that's pretty much the only thing you have going for you. You are impolite to other members on the board. You are curt. You do not accept criticism from other people. I mean, you wrote this:
Sorry to burst your bubble; but, get used to people questioning you and not believing you. It's not because people are trying to be an a-hole; but, rather it's human nature to always question and dissect a situation. I bust your balls not to be a prick Stickman; but, it's just genuine inquiries. Like I said, if you claimed you beat a WS6, then I would raise the B.S. flag on you for 90% of your kills; but, since you didn't claim that, that flag was never raised. So, you actually overreacted to a situation that never arose.
If I come off as arrogant when I am typing, then you completely misunderstand me. Ask any of the people I have raced, or met in person. I will let them speak for my personality and they can tell you if I am arrogant or not.
C32 vs M3 is a huge debate. We got it on video and it ends there.
What is the point of a kill stories forum if not to post kills? Sometimes I get lucky and get a lot of kills in a short span, sometimes I don't get a race for a couple weeks.
Perhaps you dind't notice in your flame fest, but here is a post I made about me losing to a ws6: http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58984&highlight=ws6
Here is one about me losing to a C5: http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65455&highlight=roll
Just because I have had luck lately and have had a pretty good winning streak going, does not mean I have never lost. Sounds like you are just a hater.
darkesthours 03-25-2003, 09:20 PM First of all, i was in the car with sticky when this race took place, and yes, he did kill the c5 vette. He pulled about 3 cars by the end of 3rd gear. Dont say some bullshit like the guy was probably not racing either, because people do not drive 105 mph when they are cruising down the streets. The kill was clean, I was there.
And NoSoup4U, nobody ever made this personal. The fact that you would take it to that level just shows how low of a human being that you are.
MisterSLOW 03-26-2003, 12:06 AM HAHA!! This is some funny stuff. Lets see how many insults we can throw around. I like the comment, "just shows how low of a human being that you are." HAHA!! Sorry, but that comment is the most idiotic stupid ass thing that I have ever heard on a car forum. I mean, we're talking about street racing! And just because NoSoup4U decided to state his opinion does not make his a bad person as you so gracefully put it.
Sticky: If all these people are calling bs on your kills then dont post them anymore. Its that simple. So dont get pissed off and blow a gasket when someone says something that you dont like. For all we know you could be telling the truth and you could be lying, so dont take any of this personally. All that matters is what you think and what you know. Who cares what other people say. When some guy in a 9 sec vette hands your ass to you and says that your car is slow do you start a fight with him? NO! Because you know that your car is fast and that is all that matters. Damn, now my fingers hurt.
Sticky 03-26-2003, 12:35 AM I do not lie about any races I get in to. I guess I simply have to have video proof for everything from now on. I thought I built up a reputation as being a trustworthy and honorable person when it comes to the kills I post and also to dealing with me in other areas, such as buying or selling items. I pride myself on telling the truth, I have nothing to gain from posting a bogus story.
MMJ4mil 03-26-2003, 12:45 AM dont listen to haters. Me hugs sticky
MisterSLOW 03-26-2003, 12:54 AM Sticky, I totally agree with you. But don't get mad when someone tries to say that you are lying because someone always will.
JMWeb 03-26-2003, 12:58 AM All of you guys are forgetting that a car does not win a race. The driver does.
Anyone can who is expected to lose can win a race.
My friend in his E46 M3 beat an M5 in a highway run. I couldnt believe it at first but its true. It just so happens that the driver didnt know how to drive the m5.
My car CAN beat a Z06, TT, etc..
Races depend on alot of variables.
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Now with all things being equal i stand no chance with the above mentioned cars.
I believe Sticky and congratulate him on his kills.
NoSoup4U 03-26-2003, 01:16 AM I'm not hating on you stickman ... I just find some things you say hard to believe, that's all .... Then again, I'm a skeptic by nature ... ;) I freely admit, I admire e46 M3 owners. It's a great car to own. So, I guess I'm a hater. :D
Plus, I stand corrected, I didn't know you could go 105 mph in third gear in the E46 M3 ... pretty amazing. :buttrock.
Don't take it personally what I say ... I mean, I ripped into chubbyasian a few months ago as well. So, I'm a pretty pretentious asshole as well. :D. I just thought your reaction today to my questions, seriously, they were just honest inquiries, was a little overboard ...
I mean, I held back on making comments to you when you ripped into that one person in the other thread. That was pretty rude of you ... IMHO. But, I kept my tongue since it's none of my business. I guess asking a girl, let alone a 17 year old girl, what her breast size is, that's being funny in your book right? I mean, that comment obviously exemplifies that you are a honorable person. I could go on further if you would like with more specific situations?
But, this conversation is moot ... I wasn't flaming you. If I was flaming you, I would not be this articulate. Trust me, visit the GB on Wet Okole and see my recent tirade ... Plus, I'm not trying to make this personal, hence the different :D ;) faces you see. So, let's leave it at that ... ;) .. we'll agree to disagree with each other.
Darkesthour --
I will not even bother responding to your comment directed to me. I think you've exemplified the extent to which you can contribute to a conversation.
Sticky 03-26-2003, 02:08 AM Originally posted by NoSoup4U
I mean, I held back on making comments to you when you ripped into that one person in the other thread. That was pretty rude of you ... IMHO. But, I kept my tongue since it's none of my business. I guess asking a girl, let alone a 17 year old girl, what her breast size is, that's being funny in your book right? I mean, that comment obviously exemplifies that you are a honorable person. I could go on further if you would like with more specific situations?
The girl is 17, guys have been staring at her jugs since she was a freshman, trust me. You were in high school once too, weren't you? If you go back and check that thread you will notice she realized it was all in jest and she did not take any of it personally. I even like her and think she is pretty cool. I have pissed everyone off on the board atleast once I think...
The reason I got upset is because NOTHING pisses me off more than being called a liar. or insinuating that I am not telling the truth. People can call me an asshole or spread lies of me killing baby seals, but I am not a liar. I stand behind my word, and like to think it means something.
Leemos 03-26-2003, 02:12 AM Personally I dont put a lot of stock into the kill stories posted on the internet.
Remember, there are two sides to every story.
NoSoup4U 03-26-2003, 09:07 AM Ahh...I see...stickster... See, for myself 'NOTHING' pisses me off more than someone saying one thing out of the corner of their mouth, and acting completely different from what they say. I'm sure this quote, which you just typed yesterday, after extolling upon your virtuous personality to me, should ring a bell.....
One of them was chubby and he could not keep up with the other 2. One of the other two saleman pushes the other guy out of the way, and get's to me first. He comes up panting and says hello. I just start laughing. He asks what I want to buy, I say nothing, I am just here to look. He says "well with this kind of car you can buy anything you want." I say: "I am well aware of that, this is just a ford dealership."
Like I said, I'm sure in person, you're a real GREAT guy, ehh? ;)
Besides, this board needs entertainment at times ... :D If everyone got along, we'd have a really boring ass world! ;)
fcotanis 03-26-2003, 10:42 AM Liar liar liar liar .(liar)
:wave:
Stop lying that you don't lie when you in fact lie when you say you lie.
:jump:
SilverStreak 03-26-2003, 11:37 AM This one is done, not because it got personal, (I actually commend most of you for getting personal but keeping it somewhat respectful while doing so), but it's way off topic, and to the point it has gotten, it's merely flame-bait at this point, so I will nip it in the bud, so to speak.
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