Just as title says please state ur pros/cons and ur why as to these are the best this car is a daily driven m3 with track days once a month

At risk of sounding like a d*ck, how about you share your skills/experience with us first? How many events have you done, how familiar are you with chassis dynamics, spring rates, damper rates, and the effect of each on the car's handling?

I mean, you can go to 5,000 way adjustible Motons with 1,000 lbs springs and infinitely adjustable swaybars the sizes of Ahrnold's biceps, but if most of your "car set-up" knowledge comes from playing Gran Turismo, you might be better off with a set of matched springs to dampers, especially for a daily driven car that sees track time occasionally.

At risk of sounding like a d*ck, how about you share your skills/experience with us first? How many events have you done, how familiar are you with chassis dynamics, spring rates, damper rates, and the effect of each on the car's handling?

I mean, you can go to 5,000 way adjustible Motons with 1,000 lbs springs and infinitely adjustable swaybars the sizes of Ahrnold's biceps, but if most of your "car set-up" knowledge comes from playing Gran Turismo, you might be better off with a set of matched springs to dampers, especially for a daily driven car that sees track time occasionally.


Ok well you did sound like a d*ck, but it seems you mean no harm so ill go at it.....

This is actually for my cousin who is not a member on this forum but lives 10 minutes away from me and we are both car ppl anyway let me cut to it, he hasnt been on the track but is a talented driver he does stupid things on the streets someone should probably kill him for so im sure hell get in the swing of the track in a considerably fast time, Hes a highschool kid such as I, but he wants coilovers over shocks/springs obviously - and I had originally thought bilsteins were some of the best for m3's and then I saw the group buy and suggested those possibly and he said no Kw's are the best, so I wanted to know Which is the best car for harshly aggressive driving on the streets, and does not have to be the champion of the track but it can definetely hold its ground.

Now were not looking for anything crazy such as 2-9 way adjustables, just your basic nice set of coilovers not over $3k.




EDIT: NO NOTHING ABOUT DAMPERS AND ALL THAT SPRING RATE TALK LOL

anyone?

My advise: Stay stock until you can answer why you need to upgrade and understand the differences between each of the options.

My advise: Stay stock until you can answer why you need to upgrade and understand the differences between each of the options.

Where do i go to learn these things?

Where do i go to learn these things?

By going to the track and learning what your car is missing. It will take a while before you can even come CLOSE to driving at the limits of the car. There's no point in upgrading until you understand why you need the upgrades and you can pin-point which upgrades will create the changes the car needs. You're taking the wrong approach to throw parts at a car before you even know if the car needs to be upgraded.

Again, at risk of sounding like a d*ck, this question is better asked on either E46Fanatics or in the E46 M3 forum. They'll be better equipped to give you an answer you might be happy with.

People here in this particular forum will likely only give you answers you need to hear, not what you want to hear.

And you don't need to tell us this is for you "cousin." There's no shame in admitting it's for you.

here these are what you need to be a true street warrior:

Pro Race Coilover System - TC Kline Racing offers both Koni 28 Series and Moton Professional Racing Dampeners. Available in both double and triple adjustable, these kits are the ultimate package for high-end racing cars. These kits offer true F1 technology – providing the most precise high and low speed damping available. This dampener package includes our VVS alloy springs and mounting hardware, providing you with the ultimate in fitment, adjustability, and performance. Many options and configurations are available. TC Kline Racing can provide you with a custom kit configured to your exact needs. Call for exact details and pricing.

Part Number Description List TCKR
TCKProRaceE46 E46 Pro Race Coil Over Kit $14,566.13 $5,138.00

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....so I wanted to know Which is the best car for harshly aggressive driving on the streets, and does not have to be the champion of the track but it can definetely hold its ground.
i hear TEIN street racing coilovers are insane. like F1 car handling.....no body roll while swerving through slow cars on the highway.

my friends chop their springs.....they get like 3" drops....looks so sickkk and is racecar stiff
Again, at risk of sounding like a d*ck, this question is better asked on either E46Fanatics or in the E46 M3 forum. They'll be better equipped to give you an answer you might be happy with.

People here in this particular forum will likely only give you answers you need to hear, not what you want to hear.

And you don't need to tell us this is for you "cousin." There's no shame in admitting it's for you.
:rofl

whatever it takes to achieve 1/4" of travel.

No seriously though, any off the shelf item will only make the car more difficult to drive, and ultimelty slower, might as well save you money and buy some experience (hint hint)

so I wanted to know Which is the best car for harshly aggressive driving on the streets,
How 'bout just not driving like a d*ck on the street? High school kid in an E46 M3, sheesh. I'm not exactly old (27), but I remember how dumb I was at 17 and if I had an E46 M3 then I'd be dead now.

Leave the car stock. Go to the track. Listen, listen, listen. Drive, drive, drive. That will make your car much faster than any suspension you throw at it now. The nice part is, it will make your car much safer too. The really nice part is, it's cheaper--and the BEST part is, it will make every car you ever own faster and safer. The looseness of the nut behind the wheel matters a lot.

Oh, and us old folks have learned that it's perfectly acceptable to write out whole words on the Internet. Give it a try, you might like it.

Cheers,
tammer

i hear TEIN street racing coilovers are insane. like F1 car handling.....no body roll while swerving through slow cars on the highway.

my friends chop their springs.....they get like 3" drops....looks so sickkk and is racecar stiff

:rofl

Mmmm Racecar stiff, thats what I set my shocks to, and they are so perfect! I even used suspension software to analyze, and I just typed in "racecar stiff," and it spit out, "you can't handle it." :)

BlueBullet328, do not listen to these club racers and hpde wankers. I am professional racing driver who is very active in the KTCC, but a few years ago I was in the same situation as you. I did not know very much about suspension, but once you start shelling out some money for private suspension geometry classes, it really gets you educated.

That being said, let's cut to the chase. I recommend that you contact JIC Magic USA, as they are the world's first and foremost in suspension technology. There's actually a perfect setup for you that JIC offers: it was originally developed for dan dan kokoro pass racing in Japan, otherwise known as touge. It's actually been featured on Best Motoring on the Gunsai segment.

Contact Jon over at JIC Magic USA, and he will hook you up with that kit, it's called the TG Street/Track Kit, and they only sell it to people who contact them first. Tell him "Junpei" told you about it. It's only about $3,001, but WELL worth it. Trust me, you cannot go wrong with it.

For spring rates, I recommend that you run around 890F and about 3483 in the rear. This will give you that just freshly paced railroad track gripping feeling. Don't set your dampers to max though, as that will not be super comfortable, although I drove in Alaska on some crappy roads with full stiff, and it still rode better than stock.

Hope this helps, don't let these pruneys bother you. PM me, if you have any more questions.

Happy Motoring!

All experiences I've have with JIC on numerous manufacturers has been horrible. I can elaborate if necessary. I still hold my opinion in terms of mods, Watts hit right on.

For spring rates, I recommend that you run around 890F and about 3483 in the rear.

You must love oversteer.

All experiences I've have with JIC on numerous manufacturers has been horrible. I can elaborate if necessary. I still hold my opinion in terms of mods, Watts hit right on.


You must love oversteer.
Junpei loves how your mom oversteers.

Junpei loves how your mom oversteers.

I beg your pardon

:lol :D

Think he's just taking the piss on you ;)

I you really want a coilover setup I'd stick with something off the shelf. Bilstein PSS9 will do fine.

There is not a really big difference between KW var 3 and PSS9 for that matter. Springrates are roughly the same as well as damping adjustments, both can adjust compression and rebound without too much complication, adjusted with 1 knob that simply turns them stiffer or softer. Just follow their setup advice on what heights to set initially and you should come a long way.

Again, at risk of sounding like a d*ck, this question is better asked on either E46Fanatics or in the E46 M3 forum. They'll be better equipped to give you an answer you might be happy with.

People here in this particular forum will likely only give you answers you need to hear, not what you want to hear.

And you don't need to tell us this is for you "cousin." There's no shame in admitting it's for you.

Its not for me I do not own a E46 M3 I own a 328I hence my name is blue bullet328 i will post pics of him next to his car and mine with me if u dont believe me

Just as title says please state ur pros/cons and ur why as to these are the best this car is a daily driven m3 with track days once a month

PSS9's seem to be a decent street/track setup.....with 80% being street and 20% track. You can find them for a very reasonable price as well.

Don

All experiences I've have with JIC on numerous manufacturers has been horrible. I can elaborate if necessary. I still hold my opinion in terms of mods, Watts hit right on.



For spring rates, I recommend that you run around 890F and about 3483 in the rear.

You must love oversteer.

I think LB meant 3400 in the rear. I think on the TG setup the next up from 3400 is 4000.

Its not for me I do not own a E46 M3 I own a 328I hence my name is blue bullet328 i will post pics of him next to his car and mine with me if u dont believe me

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

Hope this helps, don't let these pruneys bother you. PM me, if you have any more questions.

Happy Motoring!

I like that pruneys comment. This message brought to you by the Fast and the Furious - Tokyo drift yo.

JIC suspensions are hawt.

Carlos.
(big time pruney) :D

I beg your pardon
The entire post about JIC magic was a joke. And as you can tell from the spring rates, they set up drift cars.

-tammer

:lol :D

Think he's just taking the piss on you ;)

I you really want a coilover setup I'd stick with something off the shelf. Bilstein PSS9 will do fine.

There is not a really big difference between KW var 3 and PSS9 for that matter. Springrates are roughly the same as well as damping adjustments, both can adjust compression and rebound without too much complication, adjusted with 1 knob that simply turns them stiffer or softer. Just follow their setup advice on what heights to set initially and you should come a long way.

I heard bilsteins are not that great in particular I heard Kw's are the best for E46 m3's how true is this?

I heard bilsteins are not that great in particular I heard Kw's are the best for E46 m3's how true is this?

Whats your definition of "BEST?"

The BEST would be Ohlins TTX46/TTX40, or Sachs/Moton/Penske 4way.

Sounds like you just need a basic setup, with proper spring rates and setup.

The entire post about JIC magic was a joke. And as you can tell from the spring rates, they set up drift cars.

-tammer
lol, i think 34xx lbs in the rear might be a bit much. even eibach ERS 6" springs are limited to 2000lbs. :)

Man, everyone is harsh this Monday morning, eh? Decaf, people, decaf... :D

http://www.vorshlag.com/cart/index.php?cPath=1_8_28_53 - some of our E46 options

http://www.vorshlag.com/images/catalog/products/ast_4100_e46_completekit_01_thm.jpg http://www.vorshlag.com/images/catalog/products/ast_4100_e46_camberplate_02_thm.jpg

We've got AST single adjustable coilovers in stock that should work on your cousin's E46, but they are not the cheapest solution he will find, either. These are monotube adjustables similar in design to Ohlins, Moton, etc, but valved for a dual purpose car. We can do spring rates from "mild to wild".

Drop us a PM for more. We can make 4200 double and 4300 triple adjustables as well for the E46, but costs do go up accordingly. For a dual purpose street/track car, 4100s tend to be a great solution.

Cheers,

:rofl2

Entertaining thread:eatpop:

Really, go over to M3Forumz, there is a thread just for you by Obioban "Objective suspension comparison with subjective target audiences"

Entertaining thread:eatpop:

Really, go over to M3Forumz, there is a thread just for you by Obioban "Objective suspension comparison with subjective target audiences"

Thanks as you are one of the few helpful ones, and thank you to the others. ;)

lol, i think 34xx lbs in the rear might be a bit much. even eibach ERS 6" springs are limited to 2000lbs. :)
Yeah, but the idea was there. :)

-tammer

:rofl:

I had a good laugh reading this thread, thanks everyone. A little honda-acura.net reminiscent. Ah yes, the good ol' days...

Start here... http://www.streetsurvival.org/

i would refer to this thread....lots of useful info http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=854437 jk

I run PSS9's on my street car and like them

BTW - I want pics....I dont believe you :astromile

i would refer to this thread....lots of useful info http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=854437 jk

I run PSS9's on my street car and like them

BTW - I want pics....I dont believe you :astromile

Ok send me an email at Simon.S.Layous@gmail.com and ill send you pictures of our

E60 M5 997Turbo E46 M3 Volvo S60R Cayenne S E36 328I Audi A4 E39 M5 E55 and Audi R8

If you are looking for some JIC coilovers, let me know.

We are a dealer for them, and can provide you with a set.

There seems to be a lot going on in this thread, so I won't try and interfere so much.

-Don

If you are looking for some JIC coilovers, let me know.

We are a dealer for them, and can provide you with a set.

There seems to be a lot going on in this thread, so I won't try and interfere so much.

-Don

Well lets hear some input compared to some Kw's or GC's

Well lets hear some input compared to some Kw's or GC's
TCK S/A > KW V3 = GC Track Coils

But in actuality, they are all the same.

Ok send me an email at Simon.S.Layous@gmail.com and ill send you pictures of our

E60 M5 997Turbo E46 M3 Volvo S60R Cayenne S E36 328I Audi A4 E39 M5 E55 and Audi R8

ooooohhhh Im so impressed Mr. E-Baller :embarrasm

It was a joke....nobody really cares what you drive

Bilstens Pss9 i have heard are not as great as they are cut out to be; HR not worth it, Kw okay but the race shop in my town prefers teins over anything

yea teins are so GOOD that super aguri honda uses tein coilovers on their f1 car. :shifty

Not to be the asshole in this thread :shifty but does your friend really need these?

I'd go with the GC single adjustables with some easy spring rates. Or if you want something more custom fitted to your car and driving call up TCKline and say what you are doing and how its going to be driven, with your current set up of wheel and tire then they can fit a custom set up just for you.

Not to be the asshole in this thread :shifty but does your friend really need these?

I'd go with the GC single adjustables with some easy spring rates. Or if you want something more custom fitted to your car and driving call up TCKline and say what you are doing and how its going to be driven, with your current set up of wheel and tire then they can fit a custom set up just for you.
Custom setup meaning 450F/500R S/A. :rofl

Custom setup meaning 450F/500R S/A. :rofl

Hey if they wanna brag to there friends about getting a custom set up let them. I just wanna add a little something something so they can do that with the bigger e-penis :D

Bro just cut your springs, that will increase the rate of all the springs by 400LBS and will make the M3 handle like it's on RAIIIIILSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.


Just stick with the stock suspension. BMW wouldn't call it an M3, make it THE benchmark sports car, and give it horrible suspension/brake components..think of that. No need to upgrade ANYTHING until you've reached or know well aware the actual capabilties of the car.

Go to a few track sessions, learn a little, and then get an aftermarket suspension.

If you have your panties in such a bunch, either go with TC Kline, Ground Control or Bilstein PSS9's. You won't notice the different between any of those.

What did I tell you about what you need to hear vs. what you want to hear?

You'll get what you NEED to hear here. But that's not what you want to hear. This is the Track, Auto-cross, and Drag forum, not the "how do I pretend I know what I'm doing by buying $4,000 worth of stuff to put on my car that I have NO CLUE what to do with" forum.

Post this in E46Fanatics, and you will get what you want to hear.

Well lets hear some input compared to some Kw's or GC's

From my experience and knowledge, I rate it like this JIC > KW > GC.

The material that JIC uses for their suspension is top notch. Unlike the metals that are used in KW/GC, the JIC material does not degrade or wear out over time as quickly/easily.

The main difference that I have seen between JIC and KW and GC is that GC uses linear spring rates, vs the progressive springs that JIC and KW uses.

The design of the front shocks on the JIC coilovers is something totally different, and better, than what KW and GC offers. They have a reversed tube, allowing you to effectively lower your car, but at the same time, maintain a good amount of shock travel.

Also, JIC uses reinforced strut pistons. Basically, it is designed so that it will be very resistent to bending under extreme loads. They have this design, all around, for rally cars like Subbie, etc. The whole piston is basically the size of the entire shock tube.

JIC has a lot to offer. If I had to, and I probably will, I would get/switch over to JIC. I currently run GC on two of my M3s, and I am not entirely happy with them, same with the H&Rs on my 911. I may be swapping all of my cars over to JIC.

I sell both JIC and KW, and have tried selling GC (and run on two of my cars) in the past. It isn't like I am trying to sell JIC, just because I carry it, but because I believe that they are the best for what they are.

Like others have said as well, it is probably best for you to just take your car out as is. Then change/upgrade parts as you feel the need too, once you have maxed out its capabilities.

However, if you want your car to look cool, and get some benefits from a coiover set up as well, then don't let anyone stop you from doing that.

It all depends on how you want to take the approach. As much as you may not like it, I would also take the advice and listen to what a lot of people have to say on here, as they know what they are talking about.

Don't listen to these guys. Go with a proven system that works.
http://www.applehydraulics.com/pics/8686.gif
Also, ditch the fuel injection and go with one of these:
http://www.stromberg-carburetors.com/images/brand_new_97.JPG

That's what true sportscars are made of.

Don't listen to these guys. Go with a proven system that works.
http://www.applehydraulics.com/pics/8686.gif
Also, ditch the fuel injection and go with one of these:
http://www.stromberg-carburetors.com/images/brand_new_97.JPG

That's what true sportscars are made of.

that has what to do with suspension?

that has what to do with suspension?

That sound you hear is his post going over your head...

By the way, the first picture is a shock absorber.

That sound you hear is his post going over your head...

By the way, the first picture is a shock absorber.
Thanks!

wow. this thread makes me lol.

I run a H&R cup kit. is it the best. not at all. is it a coilover set-up. no. but it was cheap as hell and it does its job sorta. for what im getting into im starting to feel the need for more but for a street car its fine.

oh and it slams your car if your into that sorta thing.

Don@bargainmods what type of wheels are those on the m3 at the bottom?

That sound you hear is his post going over your head...

By the way, the first picture is a shock absorber.

I thought it was a damper...

Neil

(who had ones just like that on my '59 Bug Eye Sprite)

Mmmm Racecar stiff, thats what I set my shocks to, and they are so perfect! I even used suspension software to analyze, and I just typed in "racecar stiff," and it spit out, "you can't handle it." :)

:stickouttYou cant handle it....what program is that? desktop asshole 2007?

I needed a copy for a good laugh, but then again you just gave me a really good one...