I've heard odds and ends about us getting some D models soon. Does anyone actually have any good info on whats going to be available and what engines and any specs? thanks in advance!

-JEFF

330d and x3 diesels should be coming first from my "sources"... Sold as 2009 units...

anyone know if we're going to get the 335d? and is that being made with a manual or SMG yet anywhere? thanks for the reply!


jeff

Nor sure about you guys, but here's what Canada should get:

http://en.autos.sympatico.msn.ca/guides_and_advice/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5577899

FYI, I forgot where i found the info, but mostly from online, and looking at BMW europe the 335D if i remember correctly was at least 70k i think leaning more towards 78k for base model. But you could always import it from europe if you got the money as well

Hi folks-
I'm a new member and this is my first post. My main purpose for joining this forum is to learn about the new BMW diesels.

All the info I have gathered is that it will be the twin-turbo 3 liter (286 hp, 427 ft-lb) and it will be available next summer (2008). It's still unknown which models, though. The pricing is projected to be a $2-3K markup to the same "displacement" gasser.

There is a good article on the Wards site. (sorry- being a newbie I can't post links)

Yes we are definately getting the diesels. I have already been for a ride in a e60 and was quite impressed. Gobbs of torque, smooth, and rediculously quiet(i've heard new n52's make more noise). I've done my online course for the diesel and am awaiting for the classroom course to come out to get enrolled. The e9xs will definately be getting the engine as well. Like said above it's going to be a twin turbo 3.0 with some really interesting technology. From how the online class went there is definately going to be a lot more diesel coming to america in the future as well.

Yes we are definately getting the diesels. I have already been for a ride in a e60 and was quite impressed. Gobbs of torque, smooth, and rediculously quiet(i've heard new n52's make more noise). I've done my online course for the diesel and am awaiting for the classroom course to come out to get enrolled. The e9xs will definately be getting the engine as well. Like said above it's going to be a twin turbo 3.0 with some really interesting technology. From how the online class went there is definately going to be a lot more diesel coming to america in the future as well.

Hello "bimmer_boyis":

And the new 3 series diesel is supposed to be faster 0-60 than the 335i.

330d and x3 diesels should be coming first from my "sources"... Sold as 2009 units...


Your car looks awesome! I don't normally like mods but yours look great.

Yes we are definately getting the diesels. I have already been for a ride in a e60 and was quite impressed. Gobbs of torque, smooth, and rediculously quiet(i've heard new n52's make more noise). I've done my online course for the diesel and am awaiting for the classroom course to come out to get enrolled. The e9xs will definately be getting the engine as well. Like said above it's going to be a twin turbo 3.0 with some really interesting technology. From how the online class went there is definately going to be a lot more diesel coming to america in the future as well.
I am curious about the tech training to support these products. Do you go through one of the BMW "Step" programs? My local dealership has been tight-lipped about the training. Coming from my experience with owning VW's, I have well-founded skeptism regarding US support of German products that are out of the norm (no offense intended!).

I am curious about the tech training to support these products. Do you go through one of the BMW "Step" programs? My local dealership has been tight-lipped about the training. Coming from my experience with owning VW's, I have well-founded skeptism regarding US support of German products that are out of the norm (no offense intended!).
VW TDIs are aver popular and common here, but I guess the US is not so kind to diesels.

I am curious about the tech training to support these products. Do you go through one of the BMW "Step" programs? My local dealership has been tight-lipped about the training. Coming from my experience with owning VW's, I have well-founded skeptism regarding US support of German products that are out of the norm (no offense intended!).


Yes I am a graduate of the STEP program. The training consisted of nearly 7 months 5 days a week 6am to 2pm. The program changes as technology advances. We touched on older systems, but e38's and e39's were considered dinosaurs while I was in STEP. We have many different classes that determine what level of a technician you are considered. There is a lot of information in the Official STEP thread if you are interested in learning more about our training.

Hi folks-
I'm a new member and this is my first post. My main purpose for joining this forum is to learn about the new BMW diesels.

All the info I have gathered is that it will be the twin-turbo 3 liter (286 hp, 427 ft-lb) and it will be available next summer (2008). It's still unknown which models, though. The pricing is projected to be a $2-3K markup to the same "displacement" gasser.

There is a good article on the Wards site. (sorry- being a newbie I can't post links)

With mods that will easily go to over 300hp/500 torque!!:redspot

Yes I am a graduate of the STEP program. The training consisted of nearly 7 months 5 days a week 6am to 2pm. The program changes as technology advances. We touched on older systems, but e38's and e39's were considered dinosaurs while I was in STEP. We have many different classes that determine what level of a technician you are considered. There is a lot of information in the Official STEP thread if you are interested in learning more about our training.
Thanks. I looked at the site and it seems very thorough and intensive.

Will you be taking the hands-on courses on BMW diesel maintenance, or is it just the on-line one you spoke of?

Hello "bimmer_boyis":

And the new 3 series diesel is supposed to be faster 0-60 than the 335i.

Where did you get that silly idea?

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road_tests/index.htm?id=244

335i automatic: 0-60 5.5 seconds

335d automatic: 0-60 5.8 seconds

Unless you subscribe to the notion that more torque automatically equal faster 0-60? :rolleyes

Don't get me wrong, that's still a very respectable number, and considering that the diesel will likely get about 8-10 mpg more than its gasoline counterpart that's a trade-off I'm more than happy to make.

And the fact that this "twin turbo" will be the only BMW TT that doesn't go limp at the first sight of a twisty track, I'd be happier to put my money on the diesel than the gas 335.

Where did you get that silly idea?

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road_tests/index.htm?id=244



Unless you subscribe to the notion that more torque automatically equal faster 0-60? :rolleyes

Don't get me wrong, that's still a very respectable number, and considering that the diesel will likely get about 8-10 mpg more than its gasoline counterpart that's a trade-off I'm more than happy to make.

And the fact that this "twin turbo" will be the only BMW TT that doesn't go limp at the first sight of a twisty track, I'd be happier to put my money on the diesel than the gas 335.

Hello "The HACK":

The idea came from those silly German writers who stated it in an issue of the BMW magazine they give you free when you purchase one of their cars. I scanned it in some months ago and posted it.

Hello "The HACK":

The idea came from those silly German writers who stated it in an issue of the BMW magazine they give you free when you purchase one of their cars. I scanned it in some months ago and posted it.

And I posted it a while ago that the information in that magazine is WRONG. The diesels are NOT faster than their counterparts. The numbers quoted by BMW magazine is 1 second faster than the 330i, not 335i.

As you can see in the link I provided, and if you do some search online for 335D specs, you'll see that the 335D is actually 3/10th of a second slower to 60. If indeed the 335D is 1 second faster to 60 than the 335i, it will be the fastest production BMW ever built. Even faster than the new M5 and M6.

And I posted it a while ago that the information in that magazine is WRONG. The diesels are NOT faster than their counterparts. The numbers quoted by BMW magazine is 1 second faster than the 330i, not 335i.

As you can see in the link I provided, and if you do some search online for 335D specs, you'll see that the 335D is actually 3/10th of a second slower to 60. If indeed the 335D is 1 second faster to 60 than the 335i, it will be the fastest production BMW ever built. Even faster than the new M5 and M6.


BMW always has high 0-60 times, as shown by the times they print for the 335 and what real world experience are. Nowhere do they print 0-60 in 4.7-4.9 for the 335, so why would they print that different.

Do we really need to start the whole TQ debate again? In similar engine outputs (although what the 335 is rated at isn't really what the output is) if you compare 287/412 and 300/300 the car with the torque and a properly match transmission will be the faster car.

even if it is 5.8, thats amazing. what a car that will be! i just hope its not more money than an m3 as quoted at the beginning of this thread. also, i want a sport wagon version w/ SMG or a stick! ARE YOU LISTENING BMW?!?!?!

cheers,
jeff

... i just hope its not more money than an m3 as quoted at the beginning of this thread...
I don't know where that $70-78K number came from. Ward's Auto says
...
But whether U.S. consumers embrace the engine remains to be seen, especially if it comes with the $2,000-$3,000 markup analysts expect.
...
That would put it in the lower $40K range.
see wardsauto.com/ar/bmw diesel us

I might as well add some info about the diesels and their performance:

BMW 320d
163hp
340Nm
0-100km/h 8.3s (with software minus 1 second)
top 225km/h (+8/10 km/h with software)

Tuning : software +25/30hp (193hp), +60/70Nm (400/410Nm)

BMW 325d
197hp
400Nm
0-100km/h 7.4s (with software minus 1 second)
top 235km/h (+10 km/h with software)

Tuning : software + 30hp (227hp), +80Nm (480Nm)

BMW 330d
231hp
500Nm
0-100km/h 6.7s (with software minus 1 second)
top 250km/h (limited) (+10/15 km/h with software)

Tuning : software +30/35hp (261/266hp), +90/100Nm (590/600Nm)

BMW 335d
286hp
580Nm
0-100km/h 6.2s (with software minus 1 sec)
top 250km/h (limited) (+15 km/h with software)

Tuning : software +35/40hp (321hp/326hp), +100Nm/120Nm (680/700Nm)

For the 5 series it's about the same.

However, for the 7 series the torque increases seem to be quite BIG.
Spoke to an E65 745d owner a couple of weeks ago.
They brought his car from 300hp to 330hp and from 700Nm to 850Nm (that's +150Nm :eek:).

Video of a 535d with software (370hp):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asJdJzn2eHY

535d burnout
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRrHovhoOx8

Top Gear 545i vs 535d
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XVYF0qYsSo

IMHO, the ultimate diesel sports car would be the 6 series with the V-8 330 hp, 553 ft-lbs (stock!)

And I posted it a while ago that the information in that magazine is WRONG. The diesels are NOT faster than their counterparts. The numbers quoted by BMW magazine is 1 second faster than the 330i, not 335i.

As you can see in the link I provided, and if you do some search online for 335D specs, you'll see that the 335D is actually 3/10th of a second slower to 60. If indeed the 335D is 1 second faster to 60 than the 335i, it will be the fastest production BMW ever built. Even faster than the new M5 and M6.

Hello "The HACK":

Then I stand corrected for BMW's error.

As I have posted before, I generally do not believe anything that I did not do the chalk work on myself.

Live and learn.

The video of the 535d is strange. Why compare it to the V8? It's direct comparison is the 535...so we learned a diesel v6 isn't as fast as a v8

Thanks. I looked at the site and it seems very thorough and intensive.

Will you be taking the hands-on courses on BMW diesel maintenance, or is it just the on-line one you spoke of?

The online was just a prerequisit to the instructor led course. I'm done with
the online course so as soon as the instructor led course is available(fingers crossed) i'll be enrolled in class.

The video of the 535d is strange. Why compare it to the V8? It's direct comparison is the 535...so we learned a diesel v6 isn't as fast as a v8

That's because BMW made a statement that the 535d was just as good.
And even though the race was won by the 545i, the 535d did pretty good.
I've seen some of them on the Ring and they don't do bad at all.
Keep in mind that with a simple software upgrade, the outcome of the 545i vs 535d race would have been different.
Software will add 35/40hp (321hp/326hp) and 100Nm/120Nm (680/700Nm).

The video of the 535d is strange. Why compare it to the V8? It's direct comparison is the 535...so we learned a diesel v6 isn't as fast as a v8

By the way, BMW doesn't make V6 engines.
That's a 3.0 I6 with a small (low rpm) and a big turbo (high rpm), just so you know ;)

I read an article somewhere on the net that said the 335d is only available with the auto trans and no manual is offered.

I know turbo diesels and torque converters go well together, but I still think this would be unfortunate if true.

the X3.0sd, 335d and 535d are only available with 6 spd autos right now.

Hmm. I hope the diesels arrive with a 335xid touring manual...sweet dual turbo bimmer.

Hmm. I hope the diesels arrive with a 335xid touring manual...sweet dual turbo bimmer.
The only model available so far with the "3.5" diesel and AWD is the X3 SAV.

They do make a 330xd, though. (but no plans to bring it over to the states, yet)

Looking foward seeing bmw's in the states. Some of my cousins in Italy have them.....I've drove a few, and think there great.