Hi, I want to replace FK angel eyes on my e36, I want add Predator cromium angel eyes and a 8000K hid kit, what can you suggest to buy?

Are you just wanting angel eyes or all new lights? There are TONS of threads on this, just search. There are things sticky at the top even.

www.bavtoys.com PM habbie ; he'll hook you up with everything you're looking for. I wouldn't get 8K HID's though, not unless you're gonna go with a 55w kit, you wont be able to see shit at night, especially in the rain. I've had all the colors in the rainbow for HIDs, 6K is what you're looking for, they're blueish white and look like factory OEM xenons from afar with decent output.

Hi, I want to replace FK angel eyes on my e36, I want add Predator cromium angel eyes and a 8000K hid kit, what can you suggest to buy?

If you have a deep pocket, then spring for ZKW's and since my pockets full of holes I have to go with Depo's.

If you order with Bavtoy or Umnitza they can install the Predator and 8k ( I recommend 6k) as a complete package. But shipping to Italy its going to cost alot (I assume)..

Good Luck

I must be getting old, as I don't understand the fascination with blue/purple head lights that are ineffective, and angle eyes on a car that was never supposed to have them.

If you have a deep pocket, then spring for ZKW's and since my pockets full of holes I have to go with Depo's.

If you order with Bavtoy or Umnitza they can install the Predator and 8k ( I recommend 6k) as a complete package. But shipping to Italy its going to cost alot (I assume)..

Good Luck
In this case I must contact habbie.

I must be getting old, as I don't understand the fascination with blue/purple head lights that are ineffective, and angle eyes on a car that was never supposed to have them.

Not old. Just a lack of insight. If we all wanted to keep what our cars came with, we'd all still be running on 15" bottlecaps.

Angel eyes I believe were added to the E39 because the refit did not have a daytime running light. The angel eyes was the solution. There's no denying that angel-eyes improve your visibility to other cars, so they do serve a purpose other than improving the stock look of the car. Especially if you have an E36 without DRL as an example. Some people opt for a 'city light' mod instead, which is basically what the stock DRL looks like.

If you don't like the look, then that's fine. I agree that blue/purple lights are counter productive, and make the car less-safe to drive, which is why I would never do it.

I must be getting old, as I don't understand the fascination with blue/purple head lights that are ineffective, and angle eyes on a car that was never supposed to have them.

Yes, you're getting old...:D

1. Ineffective if you install those cheap "wannabe" blue/tint bulb from Autozone, Pepboys, etc.. If you were to install the real HID kits (those that come standard on all new models) the difference is like night and day..

I would have to agree with you on the angel eyes... but doesn't it look pretty:)

Not old. Just a lack of insight. If we all wanted to keep what our cars came with, we'd all still be running on 15" bottlecaps.

Angel eyes I believe were added to the E39 because the refit did not have a daytime running light. The angel eyes was the solution. There's no denying that angel-eyes improve your visibility to other cars, so they do serve a purpose other than improving the stock look of the car. Especially if you have an E36 without DRL as an example. Some people opt for a 'city light' mod instead, which is basically what the stock DRL looks like.

If you don't like the look, then that's fine. I agree that blue/purple lights are counter productive, and make the car less-safe to drive, which is why I would never do it.

I don't see how I lack insight. I think my opinion differs from yours, and possibly the OP.

We are not talking about E39 OE angel eyes, we are talking about some cheep after market hack in lots of cases with these. I am aware of the benefits of a OE set as they are in my E53. I like the look just fine on my x5. To me, and this my opinion, and nothing more, on a E36 its a sign of a cheep cosmetic hack.

I'm also all for moding a car , however there is a difference to me in putting angel eyes on a E36 and changing to a high performance set of 17 or 18 wheels and tires. Not to mention that using those HIDs in either of the headlights is illegal and possibly dangerous, changing my wheels is not. My E53 has auto leveling, to keep from blinding on coming traffic, these wont. My lenses are designed as projectors, not reflectors.

Getting a set of euro ellipsoids and using halogens is a nice upgrade, a classy one that any E36 enthusiast can appreciate. Ebay Depos with 8k HID's and CFL angel eyes is rice IMHO.


1. Ineffective if you install those cheap "wannabe" blue/tint bulb from Autozone, Pepboys, etc.. If you were to install the real HID kits (those that come standard on all new models) the difference is like night and day..
My x5 has HID, and they are awesome, however the only way to accomplish the same type of output on an E36 is to do a retrofit, not just put them into a euro ellipsoid unit.

The OP was talking about blue or purple output, which is hardly the same thing as what my lights output.

I don't see how I lack insight. I think my opinion differs from yours, and possibly the OP.

We are not talking about E39 OE angel eyes, we are talking about some cheep after market hack in lots of cases with these. I am aware of the benefits of a OE set as they are in my E53. I like the look just fine on my x5. To me, and this my opinion, and nothing more, on a E36 its a sign of a cheep cosmetic hack.

I'm also all for moding a car , however there is a difference to me in putting angel eyes on a E36 and changing to a high performance set of 17 or 18 wheels and tires. Not to mention that using those HIDs in either of the headlights is illegal and possibly dangerous, changing my wheels is not. My E53 has auto leveling, to keep from blinding on coming traffic, these wont. My lenses are designed as projectors, not reflectors.

Getting a set of euro ellipsoids and using halogens is a nice upgrade, a classy one that any E36 enthusiast can appreciate. Ebay Depos with 8k HID's and CFL angel eyes is rice IMHO.

My x5 has HID, and they are awesome, however the only way to accomplish the same type of output on an E36 is to do a retrofit, not just put them into a euro ellipsoid unit.

The OP was talking about blue or purple output, which is hardly the same thing as what my lights output.


Ok, so you want to talk about aftermarket hacks? How about turbo kits. Are those rice too? This is what I mean about a lack of insight. You can't put things into perspective and call a spade, a spade.

I'm not debating whether angel eyes look good nor not. Whether you think they look nice or rice on an E36. They make the car more visible, and that's a good thing. City lights fill the same role as angel eyes, and they have a purpose beyond being cosmetic.

Also, the Euro ellipsoids do have projectors, and are not reflectors.

I don't see how I lack insight. I think my opinion differs from yours, and possibly the OP.

We are not talking about E39 OE angel eyes, we are talking about some cheep after market hack in lots of cases with these. I am aware of the benefits of a OE set as they are in my E53. I like the look just fine on my x5. To me, and this my opinion, and nothing more, on a E36 its a sign of a cheep cosmetic hack.

I'm also all for moding a car , however there is a difference to me in putting angel eyes on a E36 and changing to a high performance set of 17 or 18 wheels and tires. Not to mention that using those HIDs in either of the headlights is illegal and possibly dangerous, changing my wheels is not. My E53 has auto leveling, to keep from blinding on coming traffic, these wont. My lenses are designed as projectors, not reflectors.

Getting a set of euro ellipsoids and using halogens is a nice upgrade, a classy one that any E36 enthusiast can appreciate. Ebay Depos with 8k HID's and CFL angel eyes is rice IMHO.

My x5 has HID, and they are awesome, however the only way to accomplish the same type of output on an E36 is to do a retrofit, not just put them into a euro ellipsoid unit.

The OP was talking about blue or purple output, which is hardly the same thing as what my lights output.


Different stroke for different folks.. Why not put angeleyes on a E36, if other model come standard? Now, if you are going to install angeleyes on a Mercedes, Honda, or any imports beside BMW.. Then I would have to say, yes it look ricy.. BTW, euro ellipsoid or depo's are projector's so putting a aftermarket HID is better then OE headlights. Now, I don't recommend folks putting HID on their OE headlights (reflector) and that too would be ricy..


You should check some of our SV's that sells those Ellipsoid and angeleye's kit its almost better then OEM...:)

Ok, so you want to talk about aftermarket hacks? How about turbo kits. Are those rice too? This is what I mean about a lack of insight. You can't put things into perspective and call a spade, a spade.

I'm not debating whether angel eyes look good nor not. Whether you think they look nice or rice on an E36. They make the car more visible, and that's a good thing. City lights fill the same role as angel eyes, and they have a purpose beyond being cosmetic.

Also, the Euro ellipsoids do have projectors, and are not reflectors.

Again, as I said, a performance mod is just that. A cosmetic upgrade such as this is a debatable one (as we are debating), and my opinion is what I stated. I did not comment on turbo's, they are hardly comparable to set of Depo's. I personally would not put a turbo on a E36, but I would not call a person who did it rice either. Unless of course they had a gay BOV that shoots pink smoke in the air.

This is were I will admit I lack insight, my understanding was that the ellipsoids were designed with halogen bulbs in mind. That the "projector" lenses is meant for a different type of bulb. My understanding was there is a list of things that don't work quite right with them and HID's, which is why you see the trash can mod, the electrical tape mode, the cut off line mod, and all that sort of thing. It is also why people retro fit projectors for HID in them. What all this tells me is they were not meant to work together. My experience with moding cars has taught me to buy thing designed for your car, and for each other and you will be happy.

I hardly think I have a lack of insight into moding, and what is considered what. It is my opinion, and Im entitled to it. Any lack of insight is into the specifics of the euro ellipsoid, because I don't own a set.

To say I'm wrong about installing HID into them is actually showing your lack of insight. They were not designed for them, period. They don't work correctly with them. Using them with them is illegal. None of this is even debatable. You can do it, but should you? That is a personal decision.

Unless of course they had a gay BOV that shoots pink smoke in the air.

:rofl someone has to do this now.

what the? you guys need to take this outside..either that or debate this with bill o reily

im the happy owner of the glass lensed factory euro lights with h1 bulbs, and i love them, they are brighter than my crappy faded plastic ones...and have some form of an angel eye. a made in mexico one, they work very very well, look cool and were cheap. if i did it again, id opt for just the euro lamps w/out the eye

for hid lighting being a cheap and poor idea? thats a strange opinion. if it wasnt ok, or even a good idea, youd hear about it all over this forum. you must have seen a job jimmy bob johnson and his brother cletus did when they were drunk. many people take pride in their work, and how it functions and looks.

:rofl someone has to do this now.

What makes you think I....I mean 'someone else' hasn't? :shifty

what the? you guys need to take this outside..either that or debate this with bill o reily

im the happy owner of the glass lensed factory euro lights with h1 bulbs, and i love them, they are brighter than my crappy faded plastic ones...and have some form of an angel eye. a made in mexico one, they work very very well, look cool and were cheap. if i did it again, id opt for just the euro lamps w/out the eye

for hid lighting being a cheap and poor idea? thats a strange opinion. if it wasnt ok, or even a good idea, youd hear about it all over this forum. you must have seen a job jimmy bob johnson and his brother cletus did when they were drunk. many people take pride in their work, and how it functions and looks.

You are correct, we digressed and got way off topic. I apologize.

I did not say that the HID was cheap in them, I said I did not think it was the way to go, as they were not designed for them.

You are correct, we digressed and got way off topic. I apologize.

I did not say that the HID was cheap in them, I said I did not think it was the way to go, as they were not designed for them.

That's true. If you ever had to deal with the stock lighting on an E36, you'd want to make a change too. The US spec stock lighting puts out very little light. Without the aid of street lamps, it's almost pitch black outside. I've had 2 e36s and they both had the same problem. I decided to get HIDs when I nearly hit an island that I couldn't see at night and with a light drizzle. It is because of some last second swerving that I didn't take off and lose half my car's suspension components.

The euro spec e36 came with hella zkw bosh or what ever etc...so if you switch headlights out it is sorta still stock or a lot better then US stock really not a huge difference except for VERY much improved lighting.You cant argue that the stock oem head lights are better in anyway thats just stupid Angel eyes are just cosmetic for the most part.HIDs are the best compaired normal lighting and there is no argument over that because that would be stupid once again.

I have projectors. and 5000K hid's. and angel eyes. i like them. i have nothing more to say to anyone. ok. bye. :)

get what your budget will allow you, both are good lights, some will push for zkw some will push for depo, at the end its your money and your call.
if the choice comes down to zkw vs. depo and hids, depo wins everytime, if you can afford the zkw's then great, they very good lights.

get what your budget will allow you, both are good lights, some will push for zkw some will push for depo, at the end its your money and your call.
if the choice comes down to zkw vs. depo and hids, depo wins everytime, if you can afford the zkw's then great, they very good lights.
Great, thank you for the advice.

zkw

What is the price difference? I would just wait and buy ZKW if its not a terrible leap, I would rather have ZKW and a stock-ish setup than DEPOTs and HID, just like I would rather put OEM clears over some clearly-knock off eBay ones....

I always considered depots ricey, or you could say they just don't fit many members ideas of clean, sharp or classic.

...even Altezzas come to mind...

ZKW's FTMFW!!!

I always considered depots ricey, or you could say they just don't fit many members ideas of clean, sharp or classic.

...even Altezzas come to mind...[/quote]

I have to disagree with that.Even next to a ZKW the depos look good not even close to ricey.That statement could not be made by someone who has seen either of the products side by side.The ZKWs are better but to say depos are ricey is just stupid they look and perform better then stock.

Sorry but I think they look Tacky.

I may be basing my opinions off old opinions of the old one-piecers, and complaints on quality and fitment... and yes I know a lot of people have positive experiences ad coupled with low prices, recommend them.

I would still rather go the oem route on a BMW.

umnitza is one of the shittiest companies Ive ever dealt with dont buy from them

set your max buget...if zkw's with hid falls within that, then get them

if not, then get depo's with hid

Sorry but I think they look Tacky.

I may be basing my opinions off old opinions of the old one-piecers, and complaints on quality and fitment... and yes I know a lot of people have positive experiences ad coupled with low prices, recommend them.

I would still rather go the oem route on a BMW.

Im just not seeing it but please tell me when looking at the 2 sisde by side what you see is so different.There some differences but I want to know what you see that is so terrible and tacky between the two.

umnitza is one of the shittiest companies Ive ever dealt with dont buy from them
Is this based on just one experience or are you saying everyone who buys theres is going to have a bad experience? If I baned every company I deal with becuase of one issue I would be buying from anyone

set your max buget...if zkw's with hid falls within that, then get them

if not, then get depo's with hid

+1 end of story.Anything else is just wasting time

http://www.bavtoys.com/images/e36depoheadlight.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc112/BavToys/zkw21.jpg

They look about the same to me..........which one is so tacky that you wouldnt buy it

look in my sig... i'm a ricer... :stickoutt

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