So I am leaving the gym earlier today when this bright yellow integra pulls out behind me. I quickly noticed the red badging and sure enough, its an authentic Type R. Now, I have never run against these things.. but from all my Asian friends.. they always brag about having this kick ass Type R that has yadda yadda yadda done to it.. and can kill anything on 4 wheels. Oh really ehh? Obviously he noticed the M3 badge and he downshifts and pulls next to me and up comes a red light. Now, mind you.. i am not in the mood to race at all. I recently tore my ACL... i just got done doing a hard leg workout that is getting my leg ready for my operation... and i honestly did not want to run with this cat. But he was just asking for it.. he kept revving up... looking at me... and waiting for me to respond. So finally.. i gave into my racing, Montoya wanna-be instinct, and I revved it up to 3k and held it... hoping for a good launch.
Light turned green, i slammed into first... and off we went. I spun my tires out pretty bad... so I guess I didnt launch right.... but he was wailing his engine really high. I have never owned an integra before, but I guess they dont make their power until upper bands of their tach... anyway though.... so off we go. Rev's climb all the way to 7k, hard shift into 2nd gear.... and i look to my right and he is wayyyyyyyyyy behind. I have no clue if he misshifted or his car is a POS.. or what.. but i destroyed him. I kept it going though to 3rd gear just incase he had NOS or something like that.. yet nothing came.. so i shut her down.
Needless to say, he just wasted 20k on an acura when he shoudl have found an M3. Oh well..... that's M power for ya. :buttrock

Nice kill. Those Type R's are really nice cars though

Yeah, the Type-R would have been another option to my M3 due to it's rarity. It has it's strengths but beating an M3 off the line is not one of them...awesome track car though.

I used to own a Type R in high school(back in the days). It was the cream white. I loved that car with a passion. The high revving engine and sensational sound of VTEC was everything a HS student could ask for and want. I didn't do anything as far as performance except a chip. However, the suspension was done rather well. I guess you could say I'm just a handling freak. Which is also one of the main reasons why I switched to the M3.

For a track car, those Type Rs will upset many cars that they wouldn't stand a chance against on the streets. For a car that most people don't expect much from, it's probably one of the most precise and accurate handling vehicles I've driven to date(including Z06s, Porsche 911s, Vipers). For what it is, it's a very respectable car stock. Put a grand or so into the turn ins and suspension components, you can make those supercars look like babies on the track.

Oh BTW, the Type R is not wasted money. Now granted, if I had to choose between the two again, I would go with the M3. However, the Type R with very little done to the suspension can run circles around an M3 at the track. If you want to see what I'm talking about, head out to a session or two and look the Type Rs. They probably don't have the fastest times, but you can guarantee they are well capable of passing M3s on the turns.

Type-R's are excellent cars. I bought a 98 back when the dealerships were still demanding markup over MSRP and never regretted it.

A few years and several track events later, I decided it was time to move on and picked up a 2 year old 99 M3. I was having a hard time justifying maintaining both cars so I ended up selling the ITR, which I have kicked myself for ever since.

Bottom line is I often wished I still had the ITR because while the E36 M3 is a driver's car, so is the ITR. I think anyone who tracked one of these would be hard pressed to call it a waste of $20k. All cars have specific strengths and weaknesses so you should be mindful of that before blasting something as being a POS.

a buddy of mine has a 00 championship white ITR with a jackson racing SC, one way LSD and other basics. He's put about 30k into it including the cost of the car... i've drivin it a few times and its not much faster than my old CRX i had back in the day that i spent 8k on so i was somewhat disappointed in that aspect, but after a few runs i got to take it to the street and threw some turns and all i can say is if your only encounter with an ITR is in a drag race then you haven't yet encountered a type r for real, on a road course is the only way to truely experience a type r.

Well, I can see that most of you know that the Type R is a track car. But..... they are also pretty quick in a strait line. And dude... the only reason that you beat him that bad was cuz he either let out or misshifted. Put me behind the wheel of that car and you'd probablt ony get it by two cars at the most.

Originally posted by extremeM3

Light turned green, i slammed into first... and off we went. I spun my tires out pretty bad... so I guess I didnt launch right....

If you waited until the light turned green to shift to first gear AND had a bad launch, I can't see how you would beat him so convincingly unless he was a really bad driver. The latest model Type R's are high 14 second 1/4 mile cars, which is almost a full second slower than an M3, but with your launch I would think it would be a much closer race.

its also possible that it wasnt an authentic type r..... hell i live in iowa, not exactly in the street racing capital of the world and i see fake ITR's all the time, not to mentioin civic type R's, accord type rs, honda type r's.... pretty much any honda now you can buy a 'type r' badge for anymore so its possible that you can into your everyday integra LS which runs high 15's low 16's stock just with some $30 ITR stickers...

I had a type-R as a track toy -- one of the dumbest things I ever did was sell it.

Luckily I have a friend with a low mileage and babied 00 who will be looking to sell soon, so I can correct that mistake.

Well driven they will embarass many cars that are "quicker" on the track. A few folks have even managed low to mid 14's stock in the 1/4 (if you're into that sort of thing) -- so it *could* be a good race for an E36M.

Ever hear the wail of 8000 revs on a road course? Here is a video of mine.

Type R Video (http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr?i=wMTczNzk2czQxM2RmZDMxeTU0MQ%3D% 3D)

nice kill

Nice run, Type R's arent too impressive in the Stoplight GT scene, but as was previously stated, watch out on a track.

PS: Might want to edit Montoya's name - its not "John." ;)

Most likely a fake Type R. Even if it was a real one, you would of burned him. ;)

If it was yellow the chances of it being real are higher.

i'd have to disagree with that, i've seen 6 real yellow ITR's 3 of which were at shows, 3 on the street where as i've seen about 5 LS and GS-R's that were all painted phoenix yellow, along with a few crx's and civics so its not very uncommon to find a fake ITR thats really just an LS painted or any other honda

Originally posted by ///Mwannabe
If it was yellow the chances of it being real are higher.


lol

Sorry about ruffeling feathers about the whole " waste of money" line.. i am sure to some Mercedes lovers, an M3 is a waste.

As for an authentic car, I happened to run into him again today and I got a chance to look at his car while he drooled over the M3... and yeah its real. I love the red stitching of the interior fabric and the car looks like it could be a hell of a car with a few grand sunk into it. Anyway though, its 100% real and only had 28k on the odom.

I asked him if he misshifted... and he said he launched perfectly. I dunno what that means with a VTEC car.. i would presume 5K or more.. but that's just a guess. So.... with a sloppy line jump... i still beat him by a long shot. I guess I was just expecting soo much out of a car always hyped up by my asian civic / acura worshipping friends. :)

very true, ITR's interior is the sweetest interior i have ever seen

I like type R's too. I get my share of those cars not knowing what I have up front too, until they hear me rev me inline 6. I think a ti (stock .89g on the skid pad) will out handle a type R any day.

Hmmm...I assume you have a Ti? Going strictly by numbers a stock Type-R delivers a 0.92 skid pad on front wheel drive. If the skid pad is any indicator of how a well a car handles then the Type-R wins over a Ti.

Originally posted by entityM
a buddy of mine has a 00 championship white ITR with a jackson racing SC, one way LSD and other basics.

Wasn't championship white only available in 97 and 98?

could be???? i honestly don't know.....i just know that ITR's did come in championship white at one time and his is white so i figured it was championship white...... if i'm wrong about his being an 00 and championship i stand corrected, whats the white in the newer years of ITR's called then if its not championship white?

The newer years did not offer a championship white I think. They only offered phoenix yellow and flamenco? black. I'd really like to see a rematch of this race but with a better driver in the type r. Would be very interesting.

Nice kill. I still havent got a chance to race one yet.

in the u.s.


97-98-Champ White
00-01, two shades of black and phoenix yellow


the blacks were nighthawk black pearl as well as flamenco black pearl....


one was black with a bluish tint whereas the other had a goldish tint....
---a lot easier to distinguish side by side,
duh!

Originally posted by Compact6
I like type R's too. I get my share of those cars not knowing what I have up front too, until they hear me rev me inline 6. I think a ti (stock .89g on the skid pad) will out handle a type R any day.

I'd say a Type R offers handling right up there with the M3. The only drawback in the whole car IMO is FWD(and a slight lack of torque, but that's just Honda). So the suspension tuning is excellent from the factory as far as I see it. More than a match for a Ti in the 'twisties.'

As for speed, I'd say they respond even BETTER than an S50/S52 to mods. It doesn't seem to take much to make their mid-high 14 second 1320 time get down into the high 13's. Even seen some mid-low 13 sec times from cars with cams and all the goodies. Pretty amazing from a 1.8L motor.

Is the type R better or worse than the RSX type S i wonder? I almost bought a type S for a work car not too long ago, but decided against with the way the economy is going ( money sort of dissappeared with the stock market).

Also how in the world do they get all that out of a 1.8L motor? I know a Type R isnt very heavy, but still... you would think that it couldnt do that much. Anyone know how VTEC works? Is it almost the same story as VANOS for our cars or what???

Thanks in advance and as if you dont already know I am pretty illiterate when it comes to japanese cars. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by extremeM3
Is the type R better or worse than the RSX type S i wonder? I almost bought a type S for a work car not too long ago, but decided against with the way the economy is going ( money sort of dissappeared with the stock market).

Also how in the world do they get all that out of a 1.8L motor? I know a Type R isnt very heavy, but still... you would think that it couldnt do that much. Anyone know how VTEC works? Is it almost the same story as VANOS for our cars or what???

Thanks in advance and as if you dont already know I am pretty illiterate when it comes to japanese cars. :rolleyes:

man, the rsx-s is crap,
it's more of the new generation GSR than a newer vers. of the ITR

it doesnt have the lsd, gearing etc etc etc that the dc2 (94-01) itr offers...
if u wanna get a newer itr,
get the DC5 (if it's released here in the u.s.)

as for the people dissing the torque,
1----it pretty much makes MAX torque for a 1797cc inline-4.
2-----did u know that the torque is VERY VERY VERY Linear, screw torque curves, more like torque horizontal line =)
haha,

everything is tuned (in hondas, etc) but moreso in the itr.

close gearing matched with high rpms + linear torque curve===very nice, aka is a racecar....



and if anything,
high torquey fwd's aren't fun at all =(...

unless u got a real aggressive lsd and some nice fat donuts, but that's for str8 line accel. anyways

man, the rsx-s is crap,


Agreed, you can't compare the two. There is an RSX-R, unfortunatly we do not get it here in the States.

As for the folks comparing a stock Ti to an R. No. There is not a single measure of performance in which the Ti is "better" than a stock R --- not one. But then this should not be surprising when comparing the lowest base model of one car and the highest form of another....

and loved every minute of owning it til I traded it in 2 months ago.:( Not that I don't like my Cobra or anything, but there is something about revving a car to 8400 rpm's and the sound of the VTEC switch over at 5700 rpm's.:buttrock

Someone asked about how Honda got all that performance out of a 1.8? The ITR is a little over 100lbs lighter than a GSR and the motor is completely different. The head is ported and polished from the factory, has 10.6:1 compression, more agressive cams, lighter valvetrain, and a whole lot more things. There were over 60 modifications to the ITR to seperate it from the GSR. All the way down to the chasis. I miss the car greatly, but I don't miss the repair bills. I accidently mis-shifted one night (3-2 at 75 mph:eek:) and bent all eight exhaust valves. I had it fixed under warrenty and the car was never the same. When I traded it in, it was burning at least a quart and a half of oil in four days.

There was never a white ITR in 00'-01', just black and yellow one's. As far as distinguishing one from a real to a fake here are a few things to look for.

1. if there is a "factory" moonroof, it's fake. (no moonroof)
2. if it has a 4 lug bolt pattern, it's fake. (ITR has a 5 lug pattern)
3. if the interior lights are white, it's fake. (ITR's is amber)
4. if it has leather/cloth interior, it's fake. (ITR's is a suede w/red)
5. if it has side moldings, it's fake.

I've told myself that I will have another Pheonix Yellow ITR sometime down the road. The car was a blast to drive, ecspecially with over $1500 worth of suspension mods.:D

Kind of OT but are those numbers in your sig actual dyno numbers?

for the "magazine racers" aka "0-60 and skidpad number racers",

the gsr beat the 318ti back in 95-96 or something....beat it in every comparison...
it was like "battle of the pocket rockets" or something...

i believe it was R and D that did the test...


again,
that is for the magazine racers

I almost bought a Championship White Type R back in '98 (I had a GS-R at the time). I ended up buying a '96 328is w/ sports package instead but the Type R was amazing...I loved it...handled like it was on rails. It didn't seem like it was a lot faster than my GS-R w/Dinan Chip but the suspension differences were like night and day. It reminds me of the E46 M3 that I have now...it's a beast waiting to be unleashed.

I've test driven both the RSX Type-S and the Integra Type-R. I was incredibly dissappointed by the Integra Type-R. Perhaps because most of the test drive was on a pretty terrible road with a bunch of potholes. But the salesman let me go on a empty 1/4 mile area, and I pushed it all the way, and I didnt' feel like I went anywhere. All it did was rev really high and I just heard a really loud engine. Overall, I would take the RSX Type-S over the ITR for a daily driver. I thought the ITR has an incredibly outdated interior. I used to have a '95 Civic EX, and I think the gauges on that look nicer than the ITR. But I do think that the RSX has terrible exterior styling (Tiburon and the Celica are better looking). Just my $.02.

Quest, yes those are actual dyno numbers. The car is bone stock all the way down to the paper filter. I haven't removed anything or added anything. The car was dynoed with 1500 miles on it, but they supposivily get more powerful with more miles on them. I'll be ordering a new CAI next week and I'll dyno it again. It'll be over 400 HP to the wheels.:)

Like I said before, I just traded my ITR in, so I'm kinda new to the RWD thing. So far I've managed a 8.504 @ 88 mph with a 2.2 60ft. on street tires. That is on stock air pressure as well.

sorry, i didnt follow the whole thread, but one easy way to see if its a real ITR is to see how many lugs it has, if its 4 lugs then its non R if u see 5 holes :) then it is one...

as for the people dissing the torque,
1----it pretty much makes MAX torque for a 1797cc inline-4.
2-----did u know that the torque is VERY VERY VERY Linear, screw torque curves, more like torque horizontal line =)
haha,

Sorry man - they might have a flat torque output, but whatever the shape it isn't that much!

I drove an Integra GS(B18B1) for a few years before my M3 and it was a tad torquier than the few GSRs I drove. Still, the car was just bleh below 3-4k RPM. I don't consider my M3 all that torquey and the damn thing will absolutely rocket away as low as 2k rpm compared to any Honda I've driven. There is something to be said about making a big 'hump' of torque a la a BMW 6-cylinder or a V8. The linear pull of a Honda might feel kinda cool, but it doesn't just push you back in the seat like a good torquey motor.

Nice car though, I almost got one. The high rate of theft was a major deterent though since I don't have a garage. For the most part my M3 gets completely ignored, which is fine by me. :)

Originally posted by Def
Sorry man - they might have a flat torque output, but whatever the shape it isn't that much!

I drove an Integra GS(B18B1) for a few years before my M3 and it was a tad torquier than the few GSRs I drove. Still, the car was just bleh below 3-4k RPM. I don't consider my M3 all that torquey and the damn thing will absolutely rocket away as low as 2k rpm compared to any Honda I've driven. There is something to be said about making a big 'hump' of torque a la a BMW 6-cylinder or a V8. The linear pull of a Honda might feel kinda cool, but it doesn't just push you back in the seat like a good torquey motor.

Nice car though, I almost got one. The high rate of theft was a major deterent though since I don't have a garage. For the most part my M3 gets completely ignored, which is fine by me. :)


point 1

it's "1797cc"...

for 1797cc all motor, it's good, not jus the torque, but everything bout the engine...

of course it "has no balls" compared to bigger displacement 6's and 8's..

dont gotta tell me twice

Damn Corey, those things are beasts. I saw a stock Cobra run a 12.7 last year in the 1/4 and that was with a bad launch. I couldnt believe it.

The engine may not put out gobs of torque -- but the fact that the car has a 4.40 final drive ratio makes it less of an issue.